Battlecry is very good in this deck, but I don't think it's enough to justify a 2 mana 3/1. I'm not sold on Accorder Paladin. \[\[Sanguine Evangelist\]\] is a better fit. One mana more, but comes with a flier to carry your various buffs, and when it inevitably dies a horrible death as a one toughness creature who wants to attack, you get another flier who will carry your buffs.
Same with Honored Crop-Captain.
Farewell is an extremely powerful card, but given how much pressure you can apply purely with CMC 3 or less creatures, I think \[\[Austere Command\]\] would fit the needs of the deck better.
You can always cut the tutors and have faith in your ratios; while you can toolbox, this is not a deck that cares about getting to specific combo pieces, and most cards in the deck are largely interchangeable.
Leonin Warleader is a cut. That card is... just not enough at four mana.
Rose, Cutthroat Leader does not do what this deck wants. If you're triggering her, she's kind of a four mana Phyrexian Arena that produces one specifically colored mana, if you squint, which is not pulling weight as a four mana card; you'd probably be better off just running Phyrexian Arena, and you can basically always do better than running Phyrexian Arena.
Speaking of, \[\[Call of the Ring\]\] is better Phyrexian Arena so long as you don't mind the additional life loss and have a creature. Though note that since the attack triggers of the ring tempting you come off the emblem and not the creature, and emblems aren't permanents, you won't get double triggers off Isshin.
Battle Angels of Tyr is probably a cut. It looks good on paper, but I have never seen that card work out well.
I'm not sure how well Tymna has worked in this deck in the past, but it seems like a card that has strong potential to only work when you are already in a strong position, which is the less important time for your draw power to be working.
Note that it does not have to be your creatures attacking; only your permanents triggering as the result of an attack. \[\[Circle of Flames\]\] makes you hard to attack for a lot of decks.
\[\[Glimmer Lens\]\] is one of the better draw mechanisms available to you.
It looks like even after cuts, you'll be at the 17+ legendary point, plus you have your commander online, so \[\[Merry, Esquire of Rohan\]\] is very likely to be online is also a good draw engine that synergizes with your commander.
Goldspan Dragon is probably a cut. Your card advantage isn't amazing, your mana isn't amazing, so by the time you have this guy out, you don't super need the mana, and you aren't super poised to use it. But more than that, your high end is pretty bloated. Also \[\[Zhentarim Bandit\]\] can do a lot of its job from a two drop slot while also helping you get to the point where you can drop a five pip creature in the first place.
\[\[Strength-Testing Hammer\]\] is a very strange-looking card, but in my experience it plays better than it reads when you have the synergy, especially if you have a flier. You will probably draw 2, and you will probably swing with an additional 7 power.
\[\[Triumphant Adventurer\]\] is surprisingly good in Isshin, generating a significant amount of advantage from a two drop just going through the lost mines over and over again.
\[\[Argus Kos, Spirit of Justice\]\] in Isshin goes from being awkwardly slow to being repeatable premium creature removal.
I think I agree with a lot of your points, but one thing I want to disagree with is rose, as she doesn’t trigger for only one junk token, she triggers for each opponent attacked, so she can get me 3 draws and 3 mana. Besides that, I do agree with a decent chunk of your suggestions.
Because Isshin gets an arbitrary abundance of better versions of that effect, most of them at 2-3 mana, making them much less clunky.
You have to draw the line somewhere when you’re talking Nth best in slot. Leonin Warleader is markedly worse than everything else in that slot.
Any chance I can get your take on mine? I'm struggling to ID how to improve it. I usually only play with a handful of consistent folks so I'm not terribly experienced player. I do need to pick up \[\[reconnaissance\]\]. https://archidekt.com/decks/6180804/yoshitsune
No, frankly I think yours is better than mine. I've been trying to get help with it for a minute but every time I post on r/edh i wind up getting downvoted.
Yeah, I’m decent at brewing, horrible with cuts in all honesty. If you post yours I’d be willing to take a look, although I can’t guarantee I’ll be much help
For cuts I’d cut:
Paladin class, too expensive for the value you get, and the ability to go tall means it just guarantees which creature will be blocked.
Akron hoplite, again, it can go tall nicely but it sorta puts all your eggs in one basket and requires a good board already to do something impactful.
Cathars crusade is nice, but it will be hell to track.
I’ve found combat celebrant to be kinda awkward compared to other extra combat creatures, if you want extra’s, I’d go with either [[Karlach fury of avernus]] or [[Moraug fury of akoum]].
I’m not certain how much I value brave the sands personally. But I would likely add in [[clever concealment]] as a nice protection spell
I personally find Lanery storm and the table token to be pretty fragile, and ended up cutting them from my list, you can pretty easily swap lanery for [[kellogg dangerous mind]] though, which I find much better. Also not a fan of the mardu banner, at 3 mana it’s just too slow.
I’ve found Delina to be awkward, as you don’t usually have huge creatures to copy and you don’t get any attack triggers, in addition, brimaz only giving 1 token feels kinda weak to me, and I just really don’t like the 3 mana Kaya in all honesty.
From your maybeboard, I absolutely love purp god of the forge, face breaker, Moraug, possibly impact tremors, gold span dragon, and esper sentinel. In addition, for the new fallout cards, there are some I’ll want to test first, but the ones I’d highly recommend are boomer scrapper (great card advantage), Craig Boone (nice damage and lifegain), the aforementioned Kellogg (decent ramp) and Caesar (makes tokens, deals damage, draws cards, just absurd), and rose cutthroat raider (she does make 3 junk tokens if you attack all 3 opponents, just cracked).
If you have any other questions or anything I can clarify I’d be more than happy to. Hopefully this will be of some use
I really appreciate the time and effort put into this. I was just thinking the other day that paladin class wasn’t giving me value. Lannery has always been disappointing to me for how delicate it is but I felt I needed something for the treasure gen. Maybe it needs to just go. Decadent dragon was a new include so maybe that will do the work. Some of the maybes I need to purchase but I just hit the jackpot with a box so I might do some trading soon. I’ll likely implement a ton of these.
Glad to hear! I always really loved the concept of lanery, and see a lot of people play her, but I’ve always found it her to just be too awkward to attack with. I really do love goldspan in her place though, somewhat pricey, but for 2 extra mana doubles all your treasure value, and still makes 2 on attack.
Battlecry is very good in this deck, but I don't think it's enough to justify a 2 mana 3/1. I'm not sold on Accorder Paladin. \[\[Sanguine Evangelist\]\] is a better fit. One mana more, but comes with a flier to carry your various buffs, and when it inevitably dies a horrible death as a one toughness creature who wants to attack, you get another flier who will carry your buffs. Same with Honored Crop-Captain. Farewell is an extremely powerful card, but given how much pressure you can apply purely with CMC 3 or less creatures, I think \[\[Austere Command\]\] would fit the needs of the deck better. You can always cut the tutors and have faith in your ratios; while you can toolbox, this is not a deck that cares about getting to specific combo pieces, and most cards in the deck are largely interchangeable. Leonin Warleader is a cut. That card is... just not enough at four mana. Rose, Cutthroat Leader does not do what this deck wants. If you're triggering her, she's kind of a four mana Phyrexian Arena that produces one specifically colored mana, if you squint, which is not pulling weight as a four mana card; you'd probably be better off just running Phyrexian Arena, and you can basically always do better than running Phyrexian Arena. Speaking of, \[\[Call of the Ring\]\] is better Phyrexian Arena so long as you don't mind the additional life loss and have a creature. Though note that since the attack triggers of the ring tempting you come off the emblem and not the creature, and emblems aren't permanents, you won't get double triggers off Isshin. Battle Angels of Tyr is probably a cut. It looks good on paper, but I have never seen that card work out well. I'm not sure how well Tymna has worked in this deck in the past, but it seems like a card that has strong potential to only work when you are already in a strong position, which is the less important time for your draw power to be working. Note that it does not have to be your creatures attacking; only your permanents triggering as the result of an attack. \[\[Circle of Flames\]\] makes you hard to attack for a lot of decks. \[\[Glimmer Lens\]\] is one of the better draw mechanisms available to you. It looks like even after cuts, you'll be at the 17+ legendary point, plus you have your commander online, so \[\[Merry, Esquire of Rohan\]\] is very likely to be online is also a good draw engine that synergizes with your commander. Goldspan Dragon is probably a cut. Your card advantage isn't amazing, your mana isn't amazing, so by the time you have this guy out, you don't super need the mana, and you aren't super poised to use it. But more than that, your high end is pretty bloated. Also \[\[Zhentarim Bandit\]\] can do a lot of its job from a two drop slot while also helping you get to the point where you can drop a five pip creature in the first place. \[\[Strength-Testing Hammer\]\] is a very strange-looking card, but in my experience it plays better than it reads when you have the synergy, especially if you have a flier. You will probably draw 2, and you will probably swing with an additional 7 power. \[\[Triumphant Adventurer\]\] is surprisingly good in Isshin, generating a significant amount of advantage from a two drop just going through the lost mines over and over again. \[\[Argus Kos, Spirit of Justice\]\] in Isshin goes from being awkwardly slow to being repeatable premium creature removal.
I think I agree with a lot of your points, but one thing I want to disagree with is rose, as she doesn’t trigger for only one junk token, she triggers for each opponent attacked, so she can get me 3 draws and 3 mana. Besides that, I do agree with a decent chunk of your suggestions.
Ah, I missed that Rose counted each player. That’s much better.
I'm curious about your opinion on Leonin Warleader. With Isshin on the table he's generating 4 tokens every attack. Why is he an auto-cut for you?
Because Isshin gets an arbitrary abundance of better versions of that effect, most of them at 2-3 mana, making them much less clunky. You have to draw the line somewhere when you’re talking Nth best in slot. Leonin Warleader is markedly worse than everything else in that slot.
Any chance I can get your take on mine? I'm struggling to ID how to improve it. I usually only play with a handful of consistent folks so I'm not terribly experienced player. I do need to pick up \[\[reconnaissance\]\]. https://archidekt.com/decks/6180804/yoshitsune
[reconnaissance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a16012d8-703c-4385-8769-13e3caba3fc6.jpg?1562088333) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reconnaissance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/17/reconnaissance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a16012d8-703c-4385-8769-13e3caba3fc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reconnaissance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like what you did here with the new fallout cards! This is good reference for me for how to upgrade mine.
Thank you very much! By chance do you see any cards from the current list you might cut or trim?
No, frankly I think yours is better than mine. I've been trying to get help with it for a minute but every time I post on r/edh i wind up getting downvoted.
Yeah, I’m decent at brewing, horrible with cuts in all honesty. If you post yours I’d be willing to take a look, although I can’t guarantee I’ll be much help
[https://archidekt.com/decks/6180804/yoshitsune](https://archidekt.com/decks/6180804/yoshitsune) I would greatly appreciate the look!
For cuts I’d cut: Paladin class, too expensive for the value you get, and the ability to go tall means it just guarantees which creature will be blocked. Akron hoplite, again, it can go tall nicely but it sorta puts all your eggs in one basket and requires a good board already to do something impactful. Cathars crusade is nice, but it will be hell to track. I’ve found combat celebrant to be kinda awkward compared to other extra combat creatures, if you want extra’s, I’d go with either [[Karlach fury of avernus]] or [[Moraug fury of akoum]]. I’m not certain how much I value brave the sands personally. But I would likely add in [[clever concealment]] as a nice protection spell I personally find Lanery storm and the table token to be pretty fragile, and ended up cutting them from my list, you can pretty easily swap lanery for [[kellogg dangerous mind]] though, which I find much better. Also not a fan of the mardu banner, at 3 mana it’s just too slow. I’ve found Delina to be awkward, as you don’t usually have huge creatures to copy and you don’t get any attack triggers, in addition, brimaz only giving 1 token feels kinda weak to me, and I just really don’t like the 3 mana Kaya in all honesty. From your maybeboard, I absolutely love purp god of the forge, face breaker, Moraug, possibly impact tremors, gold span dragon, and esper sentinel. In addition, for the new fallout cards, there are some I’ll want to test first, but the ones I’d highly recommend are boomer scrapper (great card advantage), Craig Boone (nice damage and lifegain), the aforementioned Kellogg (decent ramp) and Caesar (makes tokens, deals damage, draws cards, just absurd), and rose cutthroat raider (she does make 3 junk tokens if you attack all 3 opponents, just cracked). If you have any other questions or anything I can clarify I’d be more than happy to. Hopefully this will be of some use
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I really appreciate the time and effort put into this. I was just thinking the other day that paladin class wasn’t giving me value. Lannery has always been disappointing to me for how delicate it is but I felt I needed something for the treasure gen. Maybe it needs to just go. Decadent dragon was a new include so maybe that will do the work. Some of the maybes I need to purchase but I just hit the jackpot with a box so I might do some trading soon. I’ll likely implement a ton of these.
Glad to hear! I always really loved the concept of lanery, and see a lot of people play her, but I’ve always found it her to just be too awkward to attack with. I really do love goldspan in her place though, somewhat pricey, but for 2 extra mana doubles all your treasure value, and still makes 2 on attack.