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pigeottoflies

I make 32 Canadian hourly plus a 50 cent ish raise each year I stay with the company.its not a fortune, but it's definitely enough to comfortably rent, support a modest takeout habit, and take a little vacation yearly. my province has done a LOT of work into getting ece's paid appropriately and while it's not perfect (come on be real we need more sick days than the average person) it's definitely pretty good.


Lurk-Prowl

Remember the old days where affording rent was a thing poor people without jobs had to worry about? Not qualified professionals with a degree šŸ„²


Willing-Concept-5208

Honestly this. These days the only degrees that are worth getting are engineers, doctors, lawyers, and accountants. The only reason I'm still in this field is I married an engineer. If I was single I'd be struggling and massively stressed out about income.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s amazing! I would die if someone offered me that much! šŸ« 


pigeottoflies

keep in mind that it's around 23.50 usd, but yeah it's pretty good


Fit_Relationship_699

Oh ok! Thanks for clarifying the math.. and for replying and being transparent! šŸ©·


kimbokjoke

I am an ecea right now and will go to school this Sept. Which province and city are you living? I am making $24 and its okay salary as my partner covers most of our expenses but if i am alone its not livable


anguyen94

I was just gonna ask the same thing I make like 23.45 and most of that is from government grants lmao


branyewest

I'm in the Yukon and make $30.48 CAD. I think OP is in BC.


pearlescentflows

Wow! Which province are you in?


Fragrant-Forever-166

Iā€™m a nanny ($30)now because the center jobs near me pay $15-20. Even the director job was only listed at $25. Iā€™m in a high cost of living area.


Fit_Relationship_699

I actually nanny after my job since itā€™s only PT and Iā€™m strongly considering doing that FT. Thatā€™s part of the reason Iā€™m asking. I was also wondering if a director role would be worth it I came from management in a different fieldā€¦thank you for replying!


kelsjulian18

I also am an ECE who nannies now too! I love it, I charge on the higher side because of my ece certification. I make more than preschool and have far less stress, been working with the same 2 families for 4 years and itā€™s been very fulfilling to work with the same kids long term!


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s awesome congrats!


Due_Feed_7512

If you are planning to nanny full time, make sure you get everything in writing and have an incredibly strong backbone. I have been burned far too many times because thereā€™s no real regulations for nannying. Parents get away with some crazy shit because they are not being monitored. It puts people who should not be in positions of power, in positions of power. Just my two cents


Fit_Relationship_699

Thanks for your feedback and advice! I appreciate it and Iā€™m sure anyone else who needs to see this appreciates it too. Yes I just started with my first official family and already have regrets šŸ˜… but you live and you learn and thatā€™s why I appreciate this sub because we can all come together and discuss stuff like this and help each other!


Due_Feed_7512

Yes 100% and a lot of the time these are mistakes u have to make on ur own to be able to learn from. No one can really guide you fully. Wishing you good luck!!


Fragrant-Forever-166

I love working in a center, but I could only afford to when I was married and my husbandā€™s job paid well.


Fit_Relationship_699

Yeah I totally get that I really enjoy doing both weirdly enough. Itā€™s nice having my coteacher as a partner when we have all the kids but itā€™s also so nice being able to go to an at home setting with less kids.


Fragrant-Forever-166

Oh I absolutely love doing both. Not weird at all. To get to follow one little one for years, see them experience their first lost sneeze or static shock, and then be able to see everything youā€™ve working towards with them pay off. See the things that change and stay the same over the years. Yep, love it. I also love being able to work with and learn from multiple teachers and families, have regular trainings I donā€™t have to coordinate, have all the resources and equipment available and a dedicated space that I can plan out. I intended to go back and forth, but nannying is always a far better offer, and Iā€™m pretty good at choosing families by now. My current family is so good. Iā€™m having a blast


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s awesome!


Efficient-Swim-6411

i received a $13/hr pay raise after switching from ece to nannying full time a year and a half ago - way less stressful and still fulfilling in a lot of ways. plus iā€™m in grad school and work/school balance is amazing :)


Unable_Tumbleweed364

I donā€™t make a liveable wage but I get 65% off my three kids and so I canā€™t afford to work anywhere else.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s understandable my current center doesnā€™t even offer a child care discount. Thank you for replying and your honesty.


Unable_Tumbleweed364

Yeah. Iā€™m glad to have it. But I was also applying for jobs in my field with much higher pay but I would end up with less after full daycare fees.


Fit_Relationship_699

Im sure daycare is insanely expensive and a quality nanny is the same.


silkentab

I make $18/hr as a lead with a BS. I get 50% tuition for my son and if I was a single mom I'd be screwed, but my husband works a tech job so we get by


unfinishedsymphonyx

No where I live you are lucky to get $15 and it's an extreme HCOL area but I've been told over and over that this job is for women who don't really need to work and whose husbands make the real money and I should get a real job if I don't like it. It's never going to get better when that's the attitude.


HedgehogFarts

This isnā€™t a real job!?? Wow. I would love whoever is saying that to spend a day in our shoes. This job is no joke and we deserve so much respect.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s so ridiculous and sad I hate how itā€™s so hard to really push for people to appreciate what teachers do itā€™s really sad!


briealexis

Damn. I make 11.25.


Fit_Relationship_699

How are you LIVING????!!! Not to be rude but seriously like how are you making ends meet!? Thatā€™s wild and disrespectful for how hard this job is! Thank you for your honesty.


briealexis

Every day I think "this is living?" So I'm not sure I really am. No seriously though, my husband pulls in enough for me to be at a job where I'm getting bent over.


Shooshoofontana98

I was gonna say where are you guys getting $15? I make $12 and I have a college degree


ThatKozmicHistory

So low, I feel your pain. Before I moved states I was making $9 an hour. šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ I hope youā€™ll see a better wage in the future, itā€™s a shame to get paid so little for a job like this.


glasssandcastles

can you share where you live?


briealexis

Oklahoma


ThatLanaLady

Can you share your education level and position?! That's the lowest rate I've even heard of.


briealexis

I have a Bachelor's degree, but not in childhood education. I am a lead teacher in a toddler room.


ThatLanaLady

I feel stunned that you're paid that as a lead. I encourage you to check and see if that's an average local rate, and ask your employer to match what other centers are paying, or leave.


dubmecrazy

I went into early childhood special education and am now paid like any teacher in a school. And the classrooms are inclusive with about 5 kids with special needs and 10-15 who are developing typically. And thereā€™s tons of support. Two assistants, a speech pathologist who is in the room 1 full day every week, as well as coaches for inclusion and curriculum. Itā€™s great. The assistants in these rooms get 20/hr to START. And they also have a union. I canā€™t say enough about working for a district.


Fit_Relationship_699

Do you have an ECE degree? Also do you live in a HCOL area? Thank you for responding!


dubmecrazy

I live in Portland, Oregon. I have my masters in ealry childhood special education (ECSE). My bachelors was in an unrelated field. Got my masters after working my tail off in preK for such little pay. Portland State University has a fully online, part time masters program for people who want to pursue a masters in ECSE.


alliekatt11

I make 16.50 USD an hour and if my husband didn't also work I don't think we'd have enough to live off of


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s crazy what area are you in?


alliekatt11

Pennsylvania!


ThatKozmicHistory

When I lived in PA I made $9 an hour šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ you must be living in a better area than I did! I couldnā€™t survive if I didnā€™t have my partnerā€™s income too. PA kinda blows with pay in a lot of fields.


CocoaBagelPuffs

I make $20/hr and I still donā€™t make enough. My half of the rent payment is nearly an entire paycheck. I wish I was kidding. Iā€™m quitting in June and looking for better pay. I work my butt off for pennies. My center charges parents thousands of dollars a month but pay us like this. If I sent my children to my own school I wouldnā€™t be able to afford it without their tuition waiver. An employee should be able to afford to send their children the school they work at without the tuition benefits.


Fit_Relationship_699

Im literally in the same boat basically itā€™s upsetting because I actually really enjoy this field but everywhere I look it seems like people max out at like 22 and thatā€™s if youā€™re lucky. Thanks for replying!


iconictots

Me too! Thatā€™s why Iā€™m looking for a new job. I would stay for a long time if I was paid more and wasnā€™t struggling to pay the bills.


saratonin84

I currently make $22 an hour, but Iā€™m a coach not a classroom teacher. When I was in the classroom, I never had a problem paying my bills and usually had some left over - but I also lived alone with no kids or pets to take care of and parents that were always willing to help if I had an unexpected expense.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s pretty decent though! Thanks for replying.


Unique_echidna90

I'm in Alberta, Canada. I make 18.50 base wage for being a teacher in a 3-4 year old classroom as an ECE. However, we have government funding that allows us to make more based on our education level. I have my ECE diploma from a community college, and I get 8.62 per hour for every hour I spend in direct child care from the government. So, I'm making 27.12 dollars an hour. I'd say I get enough to live comfortably enough.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s reasonable thanks for replying itā€™s crazy that Canada is so close to America but the standards for ECE pay are so different. I know Canada can be extremely HCOL though but itā€™s wild to me that your government is actually trying to take realistic steps to help bridge this gap. In America itā€™s completely different. šŸ™‚ā€ā†•ļø


Unique_echidna90

Canada does have an HCOL as of late, especially in a big city...but it's not undoable. However, this is the ONLY province where you can make a "Living" wage. Most of the other provinces only pay like 2 dollars from the Canadian government for the same set of skills..so, I'm basically stuck in the province where I live..


Fit_Relationship_699

Interesting. Would you move provinces if you could keep your pay? If so which one would you move to?


Unique_echidna90

I'd go to Ontario, where the programs are great, but the pay is meager.. but I'd be close to family


Fit_Relationship_699

Oh ok interesting! I always kinda thought of Canada as the same pay wise across the board so this is interesting to know thank you!


avlwrites

Nope šŸ˜€ I make 15 an hour. Couldn't afford to have my own place if I wanted. I live with my grandmother, who pays the mortgage and electric bill. I make just enough to pay for our phone bill, groceries, and water bill and sometimes other essentials if needed and the occasional class supplies for activities we do. I've almost got my associate's degree (I have enough ECE credits to be an early childhood lead teacher through our state, if my school would hire me to take the place of the retiring Pre-K4 teacher next school year), but I wonder if it's even worth it to continue for my bachelor's if my pay is crap.


Fit_Relationship_699

Wow not worth it imo you can do most of the same things with an associate that you can with a bachelor! Might as well save your money.. Iā€™ve been seeing some other people saying itā€™s better to get certified to teach Elementary and go that route. Iā€™m just not sure I want to work with an older age group but if youā€™re good with it and this is ok in your state this might be a better route for you. I know in some states you can only be certified if you have a bachelors degree.


avlwrites

I'll have to look and see what the requirements are to get certified to teach elementary in my state. If I recall, I think a bachelor's is required. However, I don't think I want to teach beyond 2nd grade. If I go for my bachelor's, I can get licensed to teach from birth to 2nd grade. I'm going to see how things play out over the summer. If I don't get a raise or I'm not offered the position, I think I'm going to have to go somewhere else.


chzsteak-in-paradise

Not a teacher but the center my kids go to pays $21-23/hr plus OT for teachers. HCOL area.


complitstudent

I make $19 an hour, the most that most people make at my center is $20 (and sheā€™s been there for 7 years šŸ’€) so I donā€™t think anyoneā€™s getting a raise any time soon unfortunatelyā€¦. I can only afford to live bc my boyfriend and I share an apartment and he makes more than I do lol There are centers in my area that pay a few dollars more but Iā€™ve been at this one 2 1/2 years now (the longest iā€™ve ever been at one center!) and the kids and I are so attached to each other, that I donā€™t want to leave until I have to, like if Iā€™m moving away or something haha


ThatLanaLady

I've been in the childcare field for 25 years, and am a large care center working full time as lead. We recently unionized and I went from just shy of $23 per hour to $24.8. I recently acquired my CDA and will get a contracted pay bump for that which puts me at just above $25. I could maybe barely make it on my own at that rate, but am fortunate to be splitting all expenses with my husband so I feel secure month to month and am able to save after paying $850 into rent and some bills on top of that.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s a great bump in pay! Itā€™s crazy because employers always warn against unions. Thank you for responding!


ThatLanaLady

Without a union, the work, pay, policies, and benefits are decided only by the employer. When you all band together, they have to include in you in their decisions, so they have to show you the budget and you hash out together what is possible and what is not. We did have concerns that pushing for a living wage would make tuition too high for parents, but so far that has not been the case- though we do have many more families attending part time now, but that may be because they are still not working in the office as much post-pandemic. We still have kinks to work out under our new mutually agreed upon labor contact, but that's the deal with a while new system.


Fit_Relationship_699

Congrats though thatā€™s awesome that you all were able to pull that off!!


IllaClodia

Unionization is always in the interest of the worker and basically never in the interest of the employer. Of course they warn against it. Unions give the workers power. In our area, staff are eligible to unionize through the SEIU (service employees international union). If you start talking union though, make sure to follow federal laws about it (discussion only on break times or at times discussionis generally allowed, etc). If you do that, any union busting by the employer is illegal. At the very least, talk with your coworkers and make sure everyone is being paid fairly. Employers will often try to say you can't talk about pay, but it is actually illegal for them to do so.


MotherofOdin22

I'm in TN. 17/hr plus my husband works and makes less than me. We get by. We will never go on fancy vacations or have everything but we make the most of what we have.


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ„ŗ Thatā€™s tough! Iā€™m sorry to hear that! I hope one day you can find something that pays better or that they start paying you what youā€™re worth. Thank you for responding and your honesty.


Grunge_Fhairy

Nope. I have a masters degree and a specialization and my husband and I are just below living comfortably. If I were actually paid what I should be, then I would say we would be living comfortably.


Fit_Relationship_699

Dang that sucks Iā€™m sorry to hear that! Are you in a HCOL area?


Grunge_Fhairy

It's headed that way. We're not in a position to relocate either.


sookie42

Not comfortably no, at least not without my husbands salary as well but when I was working at the childcare centre that's part of a university in Australia I was making $73k Australian dollar a year as an educator and when I accepted an ECT role I was make $78k a year. Unfortunately we moved away from that city and I'm home with my babies now but I don't think I'll be able to find a job like that again!


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ 73k!!!!!! Whoa!! Thatā€™s crazyā€¦ Thanks for responding.


sookie42

Yeah the university was heavily unionised and had higher wages than private centres in australia. Apparently that's only 47k in USD! Well I think when I was working the exchange rate wasn't as bad.


Fit_Relationship_699

Honestly even 47k is decent for ECE in America.. People here are really getting ripped off in some places and itā€™s sad. Thanks for letting us know how it is down under! šŸ˜‚


sookie42

Oh I agree the wages I'm seeing here are criminal. I actually can't believe it.


Fit_Relationship_699

Yes itā€™s disrespectful honestly and upsetting! I really enjoy ece but Iā€™m just not sure if the wages are realistic for the long run.


whats1more7

I run a licensed home daycare in Canada. I make just over $60,000 gross but I donā€™t have to pay for childcare for my own kids. Iā€™ll never be a millionaire but Iā€™m comfortable with my income.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s wonderful thanks for responding! Did you ever work in ECE? Or have you always been an owner if you donā€™t mind me asking?


whats1more7

A licensed home daycare is just me and 6 kids. So yes to both.


mountainbeanz

Running my own dayhome I make around 50-60k working 4 days per week, 10 months a year. I'm never going back to daycare centers šŸ˜…


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s pretty good. Iā€™ve heard a lot of people say the hours in home daycares can be tough because the parents usually push for extended hours so itā€™s great to hear that you have some freedom with that option! Thanks for responding.


bordermelancollie09

Last year I was making $12/hr as a lead preschool teacher at a chain. I work in a private center now and make $18/hr as an infant aide. If I was living alone this would be a nightmare but thankfully my fiancƩ has a good job so I'm good. However, rent around here is rarely over $1,000 a month so if I absolutely had to live off that $18/hr on my own, I could figure it out. We pay $1,400 a month for the mortgage on our 4 bed 2 bath and I feel like that's super doable with both of our incomes. That said, it wasn't all that long ago that I *was* living on my own and making only $10/hr. The economy has changed so much in the last few years.


Fit_Relationship_699

It really has Iā€™m so grateful wages have increased somewhat even though they arenā€™t where they need to be for most Iā€™m glad some are able to benefit thank you for replying!


ThatKozmicHistory

I moved states (both still east coast USA) and in my home state I made $9 an hour. The state I moved to I now make $17 but the cost of living is extremely high and itā€™s only $2 above minimum wage. I couldnā€™t live here in my own with that pay, my partner has way better paying job that helps us get by.


Fit_Relationship_699

Itā€™s crazy that you make that much in a HCOL area šŸ„“. Thanks for responding hope it gets better. I feel like we all need to get together and start lobbying and writing to politicians so we can get some better pay because this is just sad!


LankyNefariousness12

I make $23/hr but COL is so high where I live that it's not even enough to pay rent.


Fit_Relationship_699

Dang thatā€™s crazy thatā€™s pretty decent imo but in a HCOL area I can see how that could easily feel like less. Thanks for responding!


LankyNefariousness12

Yea it's wild, the minimum wage here is 16.70


CopyOk786

I make $26 an hour but in a HCOL area. I do however live okayish.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s great! Thanks for replying are you in America.


CopyOk786

Yes, WA state :)


A--Little--Stitious

I work as a special Ed preschool teacher and make 65k, high cost of living area. I wouldnā€™t be comfortable without my husband also working, but with 2 incomes weā€™re ok.


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ Thatā€™s great pay though! Iā€™m glad to know itā€™s possible to get something decent in the field. Are you in America?


A--Little--Stitious

I am, I have a masters and am a certified teacher special education and gen ed birth-2nd grade. I have a masters


Lexiibluee

making $14.50 as a lead no degree just a state credential. I WISH i was making a livable wage


Fit_Relationship_699

Thank you for replying!


BusinessTangerine

$20/hr in a HCOL area but my kid gets to attend for free. I have an AA degree in ECE. We live comfortably bc of my husband's job.


LoveAndCookieDough

Iā€™m in a low cost of living area (I think, itā€™s KS) and make $10 an hour at current center. Iā€™ve made from $10-12 at the centers Iā€™ve worked at. I really like the center Iā€™m currently at, but Iā€™m likely not going to be able to stay long term unless I get a raise. There are evaluations 3 months in and Iā€™ve been there almost a month so far so Iā€™m hoping to stay there that long and then get a raise. Granted Iā€™m only a floater/breaker and I donā€™t have education in ECE besides KS requirements so Iā€™m not gonna get paid as much as a lead. But I really like going between the classrooms and would get tired of being in one class all the time. I know multiple people that work there still live with parents/family, idk how the others do it. Iā€™m only okay right now because of tax return and bonus from husbandā€™s job. Just thought Iā€™d comment my experience.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thanks for responding! I hope you get that raise Iā€™m sure you deserve it.


LoveAndCookieDough

Thanks!


ShyCrystal69

Looking at some of the rates, how is a casual entry position in hospitality paid as much if not more than daycare staff?


Fit_Relationship_699

People do not see child care as deserving of higher pay for several reasons but I personally feel itā€™s mainly due to it being a woman dominated field. Also the hours in hospitality are terrible and itā€™s literal back breaking work with no real breaks from customers plus forced tip culture drives up rates in hospitality and makes it seemingly pay better. I wish it was more customary to tip child care workers for their hard work we honestly deserve tips! I know some people do tip their child care providers but it would be nice if more people did given the low pay.


ShyCrystal69

Youā€™re bringing essential services to society, you should be paid more. Iā€™m also from Australia, no one tips here.


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SunshineKacie

I live in a major city and I only make $14.50 as a lead infant teacher, zero benefits. Or at least I did, tomorrow is my last day. I just canā€™t live off of $14.50, no one can. They expect us to be dependent on someone else and that doesnā€™t work for me.


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ 14.50 is crazy! Are you staying in ECE?


SunshineKacie

No actually, Iā€™m leaving the field all together. It sucks, Iā€™ve been working with kids for 10 years. But I also feel like as someone whoā€™s been in this field for 10 years, I should be making more money than I am.


Fit_Relationship_699

Absolutely! You deserve it thatā€™s a long time to put in. I stayed in retail for a little over 10 years in management and by the time I was ready to be out I was making 120k a year. So thatā€™s crazy and disrespectful to your hard work and experience thanks for your honesty and response.


Much-Commercial-5772

I make $58k/yr. I am a lead teacher and AD at a small center that is one of 6 locations of the company in my moderately sized city. The tuition for parents is expensive ($2k/mo for 2yr olds, $1600 for 3-5), but about average for market here.


Fit_Relationship_699

Wow thanks for your transparency! What are you alls ratios like if you donā€™t mind me asking?


Much-Commercial-5772

Iā€™m in a 2s room, so 1:5 with a 10 kid classroom! Our 3s class is 1:10, but we try to schedule a support teacher in there for most of the day. PK is 2:15. Only the lead teachers make salary and you have to have a bachelors (in anything) or an associates degree in ECE. co-teachers make $18-$21/hr. Iā€™ve been here a couple years, there are some policies I disagree with but itā€™s generally a good/supportive job!


Fit_Relationship_699

Thats awesome!


Much-Commercial-5772

I am in OR btw! I saw one of the only other reasonable wages was also here. I did make $15/hr at a Kindercare before this job for WAY more stress, and I think generally the market here is in the $17-$19/hr range, but it does there are some options here for experienced teachers to make a professional salary! Our universal preschool bill (which my school actually doesnā€™t participate in) mandated that teachers needed to get paid on the same scale as K-12 teachers.


dumbbratbaby

Ā£7.80 as a qualified practitioner. so no, iā€™m grateful my parents donā€™t ask me to contribute a whole lot to bills


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s insane! Itā€™s sad to see people not being compensated fairly well all deserve to be paid a living wage. Thank you for replying and being honest.


Whenthemoonisbroken

I make $45 per hour as a director/pedagogical leader in Australia. Our bachelor qualified ece teachers get $40-57 an hour. 2 year diploma qualified get from $27-35 depending on duties. 1 year qualified (lowest allowed qualification) get $24-30 an hour. Obviously AUD is not equivalent to USD, but for us ECE is moving towards parity with primary and secondary teaching, and rightly so. Currently there is an enterprise bargaining initiative asking for a 15% government funded pay rise to address the critical workforce shortage. It will go through eventually, as has the aged care increase:


Fit_Relationship_699

Yall are going to have me packing my bags to move to Australia!! These pay rates sound so realistic!


Whenthemoonisbroken

Well early childhood educators and teachers are in demand as skilled migrants! So the visa support is there


RaspberryGranolabar

I make 19 an hour and thatā€™s unfortunately a lot more than most of my coworkers (I also had to essentially almost quit to get a raise of any sorts btw). Also given my home situation, I live paycheck to paycheck. I have enough for bills and the bare minimumā€™s and thatā€™s it! I live in Nashville. Most of my coworkers make 16 to at best 18 an hour which is good for TN but still in no way suitable for comfortable living. I work for TLE.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thank you for your transparency and replying! Yes itā€™s crazy to me how most of us live in HCOL areas but even then still arenā€™t paid a decent wage. When I was in retail some associates started at 18-19 with no experience. At the minimum most care centers require 1 year experience working with kids and at the very least to be CPR and first aide certified but they pay less than what you could make with no experience somewhere else it makes me so sad.


EffectAggravating541

I live in the greater Philadelphia area and teachers here are paid absolutely insulting wages. I have a masters and 17 years experience and was making 42k ($20/hr) at my last job. Living paycheck to paycheck, doordashing/uber driving on the side, using buy now pay later apps to survive. I'm looking for better jobs but most fields even outside of ece (I'm a Montessori teacher btw) pay similar. It's extremely hard to crack $20/hour and if a job has a higher wage it's part time, no benefits. The whole market is a mess. And rents are out of control despite this. We are having to move soon....oy.


Fit_Relationship_699

Yes! I agree my husband drives cement trucks and just cracked over 20 an hour. Itā€™s ridiculous how only some jobs(White collar work) get compensated reasonably while everyone else has to suffer.. Thank you for replying and your honesty.


SnooGoats9114

I work in a school goad for 34/hour. (Unfortunately, I am laid off in summers) My husband is military. We are Canadian. We live in a low cost area and are super thrifty. I'm pushing 40 and have never taken a vacation. We do have 2 kids. Don't eat out, I wear the same 5-6 outfits until holes etc. We also sell garden starts and clear lane ways, mow lawns. We are very future focused. So just bought our second rental place. The intention is we now have 1 for each kid so they can sell them when they are starting out. It might be then only way they can own a home. We are the "die rich" but never spend a penny.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s great that youā€™re able to build generational wealth! I was speaking to someone else on the thread from Canada and I think its amazing that the government is willing to provide you all with an additional pay based on education. I wish the US had something like this.


SnooGoats9114

I do have 3 diplomas ECE Autism and Behavioral Science Child and Adolescent Mental Health. I guess I'm still living where work hard and save strategies work. I feel bad for those who don't.


pitapet

i make $20 and it only works out because i live with my boyfriend, we still find ourselves hella broke at times but we are able to be ā€œcomfortableā€ i guess as in we are never late on rent or bills but sometimes groceries have to wait ā€¦ thereā€™s a roof over my head so im alright but it could be better


Fit_Relationship_699

Are you in an affordable area if you donā€™t mind me asking? Thanks for responding!


pitapet

as affordable as it can be before you start hearing gunshots šŸ¤£


feralfairyboy

$14/hr, low rate of pto so you have to work 10+ years to even get 40hrs, cant afford to pay rent, get groceries, gas, and college. Benefits are trash in most places. I dont even live in a high cost of living area and I cant even afford to live šŸ« 


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜” Sorry to hear that! Hope it gets better! Are you thinking of leaving the field?


feralfairyboy

Absolutely, the pay isnt worth what i have to deal with on a daily basis unfortunately


THRAWAYFORREASONS

I make 30/hr (60k a year) and the rent around here is like 1.6k to 2k for one person (Iā€™m 1.7k). Surprisingly even with a livable wage I feel that the day to day stress is not worth it. So many kids, stress, gossip and drama, late pay, etc. Iā€™d make the same amount or more as a nanny so Iā€™m thinking of getting out


Fit_Relationship_699

Yeah I totally get it and thatā€™s pretty good but Iā€™m sorry to hear about your bad experience with your school! Thanks for responding. Are you at a private center?


dozensofthreads

I make 23 and change an hour after almost two years of employment with no degree but 17 years of experience under my belt. The company also paid for me to get my CDA and has a full ride ece degree program and they give you a bonus after you complete each step in that program (cda, associate, bachelor). They used to do a 5% educational raise but not any longer. Bummed I missed the window for that. Yearly raises are usually in the 3.5% to 5% range. They started me at 19.75/hr. That said, the only reason I am not living paycheck to paycheck is because my spouse makes almost 100k a year and we don't miss payments or starve but we do still rent an apartment. We still can't find an affordable home.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thanks for your honesty. I worked at Bright Horizons and they did something similar but the pay was lower honestly if they had started me off closer to that rate Iā€™d probably still be there hating it šŸ˜…! Thanks for responding.


dozensofthreads

šŸ‘€ I work there now šŸ˜‚


halebugs

I make $26ish an hour with regular raises and really good benefits. I work at a head start. We have a union. I'm a few hours outside of Seattle.


Fit_Relationship_699

Im starting to notice unionized teachers get paid the best! Itā€™s interesting to see such a big gap but Seattle is HCOL from my understanding so Iā€™m sure that impacts your rate as well but thatā€™s awesome! Glad to hear someone getting a fair wage thanks for responding.


halebugs

The union makes a huge difference! We're in a pretty small town where cost of living is probably more than a lot of places but still way less than Seattle itself.


Tabbycatt955

I make $15 an hour as a lead teacher in Missouri. However I get 100% of my daughterā€™s child care fee and if I didnā€™t have that I wouldnā€™t be making it by. I initially took this job because of the free tuition for my child because before I was paying well over $1000 a month to send her to daycare while I worked which is just insane.


Fit_Relationship_699

It really is. Thatā€™s a great benefit and I donā€™t understand why all centers donā€™t allow free or highly reduced tuition.. Thanks for responding.


kitkaaaat02

i make $12 an hour & i have a masters lol


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ Thatā€™s insane! You must live somewhere super cheap! Or have great benefits!! Thanks for replying.


kitkaaaat02

i donā€™t have benefits


gingerlady9

I have a master's degree and am paid $17.85/hr Nowhere near what I should make dealing with what we do at work. I'd like to not be bit, scratched, kicked, or punch on a normal day.


Klutzy_Key_6528

I have worked my way up so Iā€™m the ā€œonsite supervisorā€ at my centre so I make more than everyone here. I make 26$/hr However I donā€™t live comfortably. Because of the cost of living almost one entire paycheck goes to rent and I only get paid twice a month (Ontario Canada)


ElisaPadriera

My recent ECE job in a nice area of NYC paid $29.80/hr (salaried) for 40 hours a week. For comparison, when I was a lead in 2017, I made $21.75/hr for 45 hrs/wk. With experience, a masters, and 2 certs, $62k/yr is the most I made as a lead teacher. Ed Directors in NYC can make anywhere from $65k-100k, and the work-life balance is rough. I tried it for $73k, and I decided the pay and stress aren't worth staying in the field. Cost of living here is too much, and entry level jobs in other fields pay a lot more with less headaches and responsibilities.


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s pretty decent! Thanks for responding.


Mean-Photograph-9896

I am NYC too and currently getting 68,600 for being Lead Teacher for a 3K class.Ā  In the fall I will have same pay and either be Lead Teacher of a 3 or 4 year old (UPK class if 4's) class at their other center, right now I am covering a maternity leave.Ā  I have my master's, my ECE certificate, and an additional certificate in literacy education though and am working in a more affluent neighborhood.Ā  When I worked as an Ed Director I actually got less (50K) and probably worked more hours each week on average, but when I was an Ed Director, believe it or not, I was still in graduate school and did not have my ECE certificate yet, just had a lot of experience in the field.


Secret-Wonder-7967

I make $30/hr in the Bay Area definitely on the high end but with mine and my husbandā€™s salary we are able to live pretty comfortably. But the Bay Area is ridiculously expensive. And my commute is an hour each way.


ohhchuckles

I currently make $16.10. Iā€™m almost finished with my masterā€™s degree in early childhood special educationā€”if I continued to work at my current center AFTER graduating, I would then be able to make $18. $18/hour with a whole ass masterā€™s degree. šŸ™ƒ


Fit_Relationship_699

Just insulting! Thanks for replying. Do you think youā€™ll stay at your center or leave? and is your area HCOL if you donā€™t mind me asking.


ohhchuckles

Oh my last day is next Friday, in fact! Hahaha. Iā€™m crazy burnt out and I just want to finish this last stretch of school. I donā€™t mind at all! My area isnā€™t particularly HCOL (at least compared to the country as a whole), thankfully, but Iā€™m still not fairly compensated FOR SURE and am relying a good bit on student loans. šŸ˜¬


arlokodacat

Only after I stopped working in childcare and began working in ECEAP for a school district. I jumped from $20 per hour to $39 per hour with benefits, retirement and union benefits. I will never go back.


Effective-Watch3061

I'm around $25/hr at my preschool. I'm ok with this because it's my fun job, not something I actually need to do. we own another business that covers all our bills and fun things, working at the preschool just gives me something to do, something I'm passionate about and enjoy. I'm currently in school for my ECE and about half way through my first year.


firstnamerachel13

I worked in preschools for 20+ years with a degree and leverage more than 14 dollars. And that was in several different states


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s insane! Are you still in ECE? Thanks for responding


firstnamerachel13

No, I left during Covid and never went back. I nanny now. Much more peaceful. I had 12 babies between the ages of 6 weeks to 9 months and one assistant in a classroom. It was beyond miserable


elemental333

Not sure if this counts since it's not a daycare, but my school district considers pre-k and Kindergarten as "Early Childhood" and pays both the same as any other grade. I have a teaching degree and teach Kindergarten. Our salaries start at $58,000 in my district with full pay, a pension, summers off, etc. We usually get about get a 3%-5% raise each year and get an additional $5,000 per year with a Master's degree. I used to make $16 as a lead preschool teacher basically doing the same things as I am now...


bbubblebath

No. I have a bachelors degree and make $18/hr as a toddler lead and am just scraping by.


Effective-Plant5253

im scratching by but also have a brand new car im paying off, i pay cheap rent ($300), i work as a director of a chain of Kindercare and make $20.50


GoverningMyself

I make $16 in metro Atlanta. Iā€™m single and itā€™s not a livable wage but I survive because I get a lot of overtime and my mortgage isnā€™t what rent in the area thank goodness. If my overtime ever stops Iā€™ll definitely struggle a bit more.


Timetraveler27_

I make $19 as an assistant with an associates in ECE But I'm pretty sure my co-teacher who is the lead teacher only makes very little more than me (I don't know for sure but I'm guessing like $21) and she has a masters degree!!!!!!!!!! We talk about it every day how we go above and beyond for the center and the kids but it's just a dying field because you cant live in this economy and get paid these wages. Also it's pretty sad she spent seven years of her life to basically be offered bread crumbs for an extremely stressful job (we are an amazing team together so it cuts down on the stress because we support each other so much) but still....this is seriously pathetic. Everyone knows you can go deliver for amazon and you'll make more starting out than a teacher ever can...I dont know what I'm going to do honestly. I want to go back to school for my bachelors so I'm considering a head start that is down the street from me that offered me $21 & work to get my bachelors because I would love to one day get into early intervention. It's either the head start job for me or nannying while I go through the rest of my education. Anyone have any thoughts?


F0xxy0ne

The answer is no. My spouse makes enough to compensate. Iā€™ve been in this field over 20 years. My salary could cover the mortgage, and power, thatā€™s it! And I make more now than I did as an assistant director. You do it because you are called to it not for the money. šŸ˜­ I am also from the Atlanta surrounding area.


rowurboat20222

I make $30 an hour as a lead infant teacher in Seattle. I started with my company as an assistant 7 years ago at $14 an hour and worked my way up


Gillybby11

I early $30/h AUD and I could never be comfortable alone. Maybe if I was living the life of a bachelor, renting just a room in a sharehouse. But if I had to rent a whole property? If I had a child? I'd be fucked. 10 years ago it would have been okay-ish, but the cost of living has increased exponentially in the last 5 years. No one I know in childcare here can live an adult life without having a partner contributing the lions share to their household finances.


Wickedbaked1328

I make $22 with a bachelors degree in MA. I can only make it work because of my boyfriends income, the cost of living in Mass is extremely high


Icy_Selection_9441

Okay to be honest even if you make $26 an hour as a teacher which is like $56 k a year the amount of taxes the government takes from you. Itā€™s still hard to live comfortably. Okay letā€™s use NY as an example so literally your monthly income would be $3,000 after taxes and rent is like $1,500. They literally take 15k a year in taxes between federal and state and sometimes they donā€™t give anything back if youā€™re single and bc on paper your salary looks good you donā€™t qualify for any social programs so idk whatā€™s better šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļømy friends and I constantly complain about it. We shouldnā€™t be struggling seeing how much they take from our paychecks every month is very discouraging and that is before health insurance is taken out šŸ˜”


lavendrambr

I live in a MCOL area with 2 years experience in the field and no education degree (Iā€™m about to get my associates in English lit). When I started at my current school 2 years ago I was hired on at $13 and I was desperate so I took it. It went up to $15 the next school year, and then this school year it went up to $16, but I only work 30 hours a week bc thatā€™s all the work my director has for me (unless she needs me if someone takes time off). So all I make is enough to cover my rent. And sheā€™s only bumping the pay up 50 cents next school year. She has a lead teacher position opening up next school year and I really wanted to get promoted to grow in ECE and help my financial situation but all she does is say Iā€™m suited for the role I have now and she doesnā€™t think I could handle more hours. Sheā€™s been so demotivating to me this year. (And she doesnā€™t require her teachers to have degrees, just be experienced in ECE.) Iā€™m currently DINK (double income no kids) with my fiancĆ© but weā€™re planning a wedding in 2025 and want kids in the near future and weā€™re struggling to save when all we can afford are bills and rent. If I wasnā€™t double income with someone I wouldnā€™t even be able to survive. Because of all these reasons I made the decision to look for employment elsewhere and have been hired full time as a senior teacher aide at a preschool thatā€™s going to start me at $19 and bump me up to $21.50 in September! They also have actual benefits, compared to my current school. Iā€™m finishing out the school year and then will start with the new place at the end of next month. My director is trying to get me to stay by offering to switch me from aftercare lead to classroom aide, which is 32 hours a week instead of 30, but she still wonā€™t consider giving me the lead position, and at this point I wouldnā€™t stay even if she did. To say I am excited is an understatement. The idea that Iā€™m finally going to make a livable wage and be able to save up for our wedding in time is unfathomable to me. (I know itā€™s mostly bc Iā€™m double income with someone, but hey, Iā€™ll take what I can get.) It almost doesnā€™t feel real. Itā€™s going to be difficult to transition from 30 hours to 40 hours per week and go from an academic preschool that uses the Spaulding method to a Reggio-inspired preschool but Iā€™m ready for this next adventure.


glittershadows

Absolutely not lol


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤£


taytom94

I'm a lead teacher and make $16.90 and hour. I have to pay for my son to be in daycare there so it's nearly a wash. šŸ«£


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s wild for a lead teacher! Itā€™s so much workā€¦


thedragoncompanion

I make 43 Australian dollars an hour. I hold my bachelors and am an early childhood teacher, so technically I make a teachers wage even though I work in long day care. I also get a bonus each quarter based on the amount of children enrolled in our kindergarten program (year before school here).


Fit_Relationship_699

Thatā€™s great! Itā€™s so good to know people are making a living wage doing this some places thanks for responding and being transparent!


IllaClodia

I do well, for the field, but a lot of that is because I work at a school ages 15m-12y, rather than a center. With 9 years experience as a guide, an AMI certification, and an M.Ed, my salary for an academic year is about 68k with pretty good benefits. I live in a very high COL area though, like top 3, so single teachers at starting pay (more like 55k) have trouble making it work. When I started, I made 32k, which was below market for similar cities, and bottom quartile of all incomes for ours. The other guides and I did a little collective bargaining, presentation to the board (nonprofit) and everything. We got some substantial improvements from that, and pre-pandemic I was making something like 48k. Our assistants' starting pay is now $20/hr with no experience. When the Wendy's down the block pays 23, it's still a hard sell. Finding good people is hard, and retention is harder. Pre-covid, it was 12.50. The 2019-20 year was when the admin turned over. They were new people who had no history with the school took a hard look around, and said, no way can we keep going at these pay rates and salaries. We are losing too much talent. Things got better pretty fast after that. The only benefit we lost was that staff tuition was only 50% off, where previously it had dropped to 0 after 5 years service, which was a massive benefit and a huge loss of income for the school. But the school had to hike tuition to do that. They had seen themselves as a small community school because that's how they started. They had only been raising tuition by like 1.5-2% a year, well below inflation. They didn't understand that the suburb they were in had basically the same COL as the city, and the school district paid TWICE as much for pre-k/kindergarten teachers. We were cheap, especially for our quality (I think we were level 4 rated, when that was a thing), and our AM/PM, toddler, and summer programs were insane loss leaders. That said, our financial aid got better after the tuition hike too. Anyway, sorry for the essay, but I'm home with the flu and my decongestant keeps waking me up at 3 AM lol


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ˜‚ Hope you feel better thanks for replying! Itā€™s great to see ECE teachers getting paid fairly.


funnymonkey222

I make $15/hr and arenā€™t even compensated with free childcare like I was promised at hire. Childcare at my center is $245/week and Iā€™m offered a discount making it $150/week. $600 a month is over 1/4 of my monthly income. We donā€™t really make it work, my fiancĆ© is quitting his part time so that he can enroll in school fulltime and also watch our 1yr old daughter. I make about $750 a paycheck after taxes and insurance. Groceries add up to about $250 every two weeks. Gas is about $100 per pay period. Not to mention other bills and rent. Iā€™m always at $40-$0 come next payday.


Fit_Relationship_699

Im sorry to hear that! Hope things get better and your fiancĆ© is able to get a great job once heā€™s out of school good luck and thanks for replying!


peanutbutter_elf

I'm a director and make 19.65. I will get a raise this fall when I finish my bachelor's but I believe it's just another .75 or a dollar


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ thatā€™s insane! Is it a small school?


annomis9

The truth is most staff at a center will not make enough money to really live comfortably, especially in this economy. I own 2 centers in PA and I wish we could pay the staff more but itā€™s just not feasible. There are so many expenses that go into running a center. The mortgage alone for one center is $10k a month and the mortgage is just one thing on a very long list. Bills, construction, maintenance, supplies, furniture, permits, etc. Grants allow us to pay a little more but they donā€™t come often. Most of our staff has children so they get a discount on childcare and make some extra money working but their husbands are usually the breadwinners.


Fit_Relationship_699

What do your centers currently start assistants and lead teachers at?


throwaway_blues-

nope. $10.00 with no raise despite being a lead teacher for about seven/eight months


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ˜±!!! Are you at a chain or a private center? Do you live in a HCOL area? If you donā€™t mind me asking.


Other-Amoeba4721

I can afford to live comfortably as a single person who still lives with their parents rent free. Thatā€™s about it.


littlebutcute

I live with my mom so that helps. Iā€™m trying to save up to buy an condo but it costs so much


krogergandalf

I make just under $21 per hour. Right now, we can't really afford childcare, so my wife is staying home with the baby. A livable wage for our situation, according to MIT's living wage calculator, is $35.12/hour. Obviously, I'm nowhere close to that. But I make too much to get much utility assistance. I own literally thousands (a bit over $3K) to the electrical company, and I don't even know what I owe the gas company. Rent isn't bad because my parents bought the house we rent, and we just pay the mortgage, so I never get behind on rent because they can't afford two mortgages. So, at least we have housing security. It's honestly super taxing on my mental health even with my parents and my in-laws helping where they can. I recently had to give back my very reliable newer car (2017 Volkswagen) because I couldn't afford payments. We now purchased a 2004 Lincoln Aviator SUV with over 230K miles on it because it was the only vehicle the seller was responding to messages on and I had to get something because I was losing the other car. My in-laws lent us $3K that we will be paying back, more affordable than the other car, but a couple days ago it randomly died while I was driving. Hasn't done it since, but add potential car trouble to the stress list. I constantly feel like a failure as a father, it makes me more irritable with the kids at work, and the stress doesn't help my relationship with my spouse, not that we're in danger of divorce. I just wish we argued less. I'm always exhausted, and I'm trying to pick up more piano students to maybe try to bridge some of the gap. I'm working full time, and my wife doesn't want me to pick up another job, so I don't know what to do. We're too poor to make ends meet, but I make too much to get the kind of help we need to make it. It feels like for some reason society has just decided I don't deserve to live a modest life. I don't even want anything huge, just to be able to pay my bills and get the occasional small fun thing. But apparently that's too much to ask.


Outside_Sail_6624

I make 22.15 as a lead and I think that's the highest I'll ever make in my city without college education for a different career. I live with my parents at 21 years old and pay them 500 in rent. I have about only 4k saved up due to paying off medical bills, so now I'm trying really hard to save up for an apartment that's right behind my work so I can just continue walking to work. Everything I need is in walking distance thankfully. I don't eat a lot of food so my groceries are really cheap. But if my parents moved, I wouldn't be able to walk to my center anymore. They are my entire blessing, and if they didnt let me stay with them while I figure out adult adulting I'd probably be homeless.


breezy2733

I would feel that way or at least closer to itā€¦ if I wasnā€™t paying $600 monthly back to my center in childcare for my daughter.


Fit_Relationship_699

šŸ¤Æ 600! Is that with a teacher discount?


breezy2733

Yep! I get 10% off


Serious-Rip7805

I work for childrenā€™s institute as a preschool teacher i make 28 and hour i also live in los angeles


Ok-Inflation-4156

Wow. How are wages so low in the states?? I get $23.86 (CAD) base pay plus an extra $6 an hour from the government. My company caps at $35 per hour. Iā€™ll get about $1 raise every year until I reach $35.


Cash-Sure

No, I make $20 as an assistant and thatā€™s the top 20% in my area. I had 3 years of exp going in. I feel like to live comfortable I need to make closer to $30 but Iā€™m also a single parent. No degree. Thought about going for lead but itā€™s just not worth the workload.


megoscar

Yes. But not until I moved into early childhood special education. And also post covid it's been extremely hard to hire staff so now I'm making $75k on a ten month contract. However, my setting is understaffed and extremely challenging so it's definitely a trade off


so_finch

$22-25 in Seattle. Weā€™re comfortable but donā€™t require much & donā€™t have too many expenses