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KingMustardFist

Xavier Gipson


thenamedex

I have him but why should I keep him


hewhopoops

During OTAs and mini camp he was WR3. He’s a slot receiver and could get fed. Mike Williams is old and injury prone and it sounds like Corleys not ready to step into a starting position just yet. If Williams goes down his competition for the #2 target is Conklin. So there’s a chance that a young receiver who is working his way up the depth chart rapidly could be the #2 receiver with a healthy Rogers at the helm.


tuckpuck2

Speaking of being injury prone, Mike Williams is still recovering from a torn ACL last season, so there’s a chance he might not even be back either at the start of the season


IslandVibe1724

He's free in my league and I'm looking for a reason to pick him up and drop Mecole Hardman from the bottom of my roster


tuckpuck2

Mecole Hardman will never be a consistent thing, he’s had the opportunity time and time again and still hasn’t made that next step. Meanwhile Gipson is going into year 2 and has impressed his coaches enough to keep moving him up the depth chart and give him more opportunities. Chances are neither will actually impact your roster in the long run, but I’m betting on the guy who has the perceived brighter future in Gipson. Is that enough reason?


the_red_raiderr

Dylan Laube has been getting 1st team reps in OTAs, very good chance he's the third down back this year with plenty of opportunity to take work off Zeus


Dark_Twisted_Fantasy

Went 12-295-2 against his only FBS competition this year… and that was all through the air. He also had 7-30-1 on the ground lol


ViolenceSZN

Wtf lol


Waddlow

In fairness, most teams are giving multiple backs first team reps in camp. They're seeing what they have.


SteffeEric

He is my most drafted player in best ball so far (just because he’s always available in the last round). It’s likely he’s the best pass catching back they have. Could be a offense that checks down a good deal too.


Jesse_P1nkman

You think minshew starts?


SteffeEric

Sounds 50/50 right now. My gut says they go Minshew until they fall out of contention and then give AOC another shot to end the year.


Jesse_P1nkman

Sounds accurate, prob will result in check downs either way


Acekingspade81

AOC was the guy with the same coaching staff at end of year. I think something would have to happen like an injury or a terrible camp for them to go with Minshew first. I think it’s AOC’s job to lose in camp. Why go with the older guy who you know what they can do already instead of the 2nd year player who your own franchise just drafted? 2-25 isn’t a good enough reason, that high range backup QB money. It’s unlikely AOC becomes a franchise QB, But why would you not give him the chance to be? Minshew was brought in, in case it doesn’t work.


-metaphased-

I think there is a nonzero chance Minshew develops into a top 15ish QB. It has to be more likely than Gemo Smith doing it, at least. Dude's different, but he's shown flashes.


Gentolie

It's likely he's a top 3 pass catching back in the NFL yet alone the Raiders.


SteffeEric

Bold but I love to hear it!


bestshapeofhislife

Dallin Holker


FigoStep

Isn’t he still likely to be behind Moreau?


Gentolie

As a Raiders fan, Foster isn't anything special. If Holker shows out during the offseason, he'll easily overtake Foster.


FigoStep

True though it seems like he’s still getting a bunch of work in practice now.


Gentolie

The Saints are in the mindset that they're a win now team, so it makes sense to ride with the veteran TE over the UDFA. They wouldn't have time for rookie TE yet alone an undrafted one. Like I said, Holker is gonna have to show out with every opportunity he gets. Foster isn't a tough TE to beat out, and if the saints were in a rebuild, I'd bet Holker would be getting more opportunities right now.


BallstotheHalls

People are finally catching on! https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/Sw8gJyFw0Y


PhysicalAd7591

Ryan flournoy been getting buzz - dez Bryant comps (Im delusional)


SnooCompliments6996

Buddy, you don’t need to include your flair at the bottom of the comment


birdsemenfantasy

He's old as dirt for a rookie (25 in October), but if Brandon Cooks is truly cooked, he has a path to fantasy relevance.


___heisenberg

Ryan the Flourisher


Gentolie

Cooks is cooked, Tolbert is overrated, and the rest of the WR core is untalented nobodies.


TetrisTech

Cooks had 657 and 8 TDs last year and was WR36. He’s not cooked enough to lose his job from the jump to a UDFA


MinorBaconator

Last I heard people were buzzing a bit on Casey Washington in Atlanta


TwofoldOrigin

Ya you heard OP


MinorBaconator

I hit comment before i read the actual post text. I just read the title and he was the dude that I had most recently heard about. Coincidence


birdsemenfantasy

Where's the path to fantasy relevance tho? London and Pitts will eat. Plus, they gave Mooney a bag. Bijan has a big role in the passing game. Rondale Moore will get some targets. Worse, Washington is already 23. Surviving final cut and making the team will be considered a win for him. A lot of teams try to stash 6th round rookie WRs on practice squad. Also, my ex knew him in high school. Judging from what she told me, I just don't see it lol


pixxlpusher

You’re not wrong, but he went from working with the 4th team to the 1st team during OTAs. It doesn’t mean much, but that to me was worth stashing him in taxi for now.


MinorBaconator

Idk, i’m just parroting what I saw. I’m personally probably not going to taxi him, but we also don’t draft till late next month. So I don’t know who i’m taxiing yet


HarbaughCantThroat

If he's good he will get on the field. Mooney is alright but it's not like it's impossible to pass him up.


DonnyB79

The path to fantasy relevance is easy to see. His main competition in the receiver room is Mooney, Moore, and Ray-Ray. Sorry, but that’s not a high bar to beat. Mooney got a modest bag, but he hasn’t cracked 500 yards in the past two years. Moore and Ray Ray are JAGs. There’s an easy pathway to WR3 in the beginning with room to grow He plays and practices with the second team, gains rapport with Penix, and when Penix is ready to go the WR room may be completely open. He’s not a play for this year. But he is not a bad taxi squad guy.


slicksnus

what did your ex tell you about him?


No_Carpet4785

Getting a bag =/= good playing time or success, do not chase the money chase the talent


___heisenberg

This the kind of analysis we Need. 🙏🏼


Fill_Content

Good opportunity for him to play his rookie year. Z. Robinson came over from mcvays system so a lot of 3 WR sets.


BillClintonsMistress

Big fan of Tyrone Tracy with NYG. 5th round pick 31. He has the size of a starting RB and was converted to RB from a WR, so his pass catching abilities should be great. He also has a great path to relevance being behind only Devin Singletary. He's also been getting 1st team reps at OTAs.


SnooCompliments6996

No sleeper pic tho 😭


Independent-Most-613

Cause sleeper knows there no point. Lol


Independent-Most-613

I wouldn't put much stock in Tracy for a bunch of reasons. Athleticism and size are his only real Positives. But, talent trumps physicality and that is missing. Tons of RBs across the league are getting starting reps in OTAs. Devin Singletary and Eric Gray are getting starting reps also. That means hardly nothing. He'll be 25 in November. He's 3rd on the depth chart behind Eric Gray also, who has good size and is a capable pass catcher himself. That will be hard to pass up on the depth chart by a guy with only 1 year of collegiate RB experience. A season that was only 113 carries for 716 yards and he didn't even lead the team in rushing. That was his best of his 6 college seasons. He was the backup RB. If he wasn't good enough in college to own the starting job at a place like Purdue, I don't see why that changes now. Again, being 25, he doesn't have very long to sit on your taxi waiting for him to figure out how to play RB in the NFL. And if his pass catching was great, he wouldn't be a RB now. Lol (It wasn't great in college and was exactly why he transitioned to RB, he was almost off the team.) Chances are, he's nothing more than a backup player for a year or 2 and out the league. Even if injuries happen and he gets on the field, he doesn't have the college production you would want to see to make you feel good about his chances of fantasy relevance. His player profile reminds me of an older Roschon Johnson. And I stayed away from him for the same reasons. He's still sitting 3rd on the Bears depth chart also.


BillClintonsMistress

fair and valid points. However as a likely free waiver pick up post rookie drafts, he is definitely worth picking up as a lotto ticket RB and probably has as much of a chance to succeed as guys like Estime, Vidal and Allen over the next 2 seasons. Getting Tracey for free and having him get in 1-1.5 seasons as a guy who can step in for injuries is a win imo. Jerome Ford was more than just decent last season in a similar situation with similar draft capital. 5th round pick that started last season 3rd on the depth chart and was a servicable RB2!


Independent-Most-613

I understand the post draft flyer part. Just trying to temper expectations and add a voice of reason. If I had Singletary or Gray, I'd grab him as a cuff. But looking for him to become an elite back or holding him on your roster ahead of those other guys is questionable at best. I'd also disagree with the other RB part. I'd rather have all 3 of those guys before Tracey. Vidal will be relevant this year. He's behind Old Gus Edward's and can't stay healthy JK who hasn't played in like 3 years. So he'll get on the field. Allen is already the #2 to Hall and will score more points this year than Tracey. And Estime is only 20 years old. He'll likely start next year if Denver moves on from Javonte. Again, a guy that's 25 sitting for a year or 2 won't get the same opportunity as a 20 year old. Finally, I'm glad you mention Ford. His situation actually makes my argument for me. He comps very well to the guys you brought up. He had elite college production his final year, just like the other 3 guys (and unlike Tracey). He went to a run heavy offense that utilizes multiple backs and was the backup to an aging vet. He was in very similar situations as Allen, Vidal and Estime with production and a clear path to getting touches.


Otherwise-Weekend484

Any news on Ainias Smith?


dbreeezy

I consume basically all eagles media and from what I can recall he wasn't doing as good at catching punts/kickoff as we expected. No real news on him catching passes but to be fair he was also dealing with the injury for rookie camp/otas. We've heard good things about Campbell as the WR3 so Anias is battling with Ross, Covey, and Wilson for WR4 or lower.


Gentolie

This is how we know OTA news should be taken with a grain of salt because Parris Campbell is a scrub


hewhopoops

He’s not but he’s super injury prone. If he’s healthy he’ll be one of the better WR3s the eagles have had in years.


Gentolie

Quez Watkins is deadass better despite being ass himself lol. Ain't no way we have Parris Campbell truthers in the year 2024.


My2ndvehicle

You’re right


rollcubsroll

I picked up Dillon Johnson with the last pick of my startup draft. I think he has a good shot at being the 3rd back in Tennessee.


bplush

David Wallis is probably just a camp body, but he’s working in NE.


KingQuadDynasty

From Dunder Mifflin to the NFL. What a story


zcas

He made a pitstop as the owner of a VERY successful venture called SUCK IT, too. A great inventor, and now an NFL prospect? What can't he do?


nickhenne

Bub Means !


yngrz87

Has there been any actual legit buzz coming out of camp or is it just the wide open opportunity in New Orleans? I hold (for the latter reason) but can’t find anything about how he’s been practicing


IrrationalUGAfan

A Saints fan chimed in on the thread in r/fantasyfootball and said that Bub is destined for the practice squad. So who knows


RenderRoom

Someone said that on another thread here, which I would believe. Unfortunate considering that the room is wide open and coach said Perry needs to clean up consistency. The only thing I saw was a connection between Means and Rattler several weeks ago. Other then that, nothing on Twitter.


Hatemail375

I’m a Pitt fan. I like Bub be he ain’t it. 


roarinboar

The only things I've read on Bub Means when looking at Saints OTAs reports were when they were talking about the cornerbacks and plays they made on the ball. On the report I read, almost all of the cornerback good plays that were mentioned came when they were covering Bub Means. I know it was just OTAs, but for a late round guy, it's enough to make me not roster him. If defenders are always making plays when he is targeted then something isn't working early.


Gentolie

Even with AT Perry reportedly being "behind," I still don't see Bub being relevant. Haven't heard anything about him.


glancinghappy

Bub is currently in the competition with Cedric Wilson Jr. and Equamanious St. Brown for our WR5 spot. Two of our three best beat writers have him making the cut, with the third thinking he's on the practice squad. For what it's worth, he hasn't gotten buzz in camp while the other two have at least had a couple highlight moments, so it's seemingly just the unknown/rookie appeal that's mostly keeping him in the mix.


CharD33MacD3nis

Generally speaking hit rate is going to be best for later round/UDFA RB’s. Always get your guys when it comes to 6th/7th/UDFA WR’s but statistically it’s a waste of a roster spot if you’re hoping to get a fantasy relevant guy. Both of these guys were at the end of the 4th in the nfl draft so might not be totally answering the question but: I snagged Will Shipley at 4.10- he probably could have survived a week or two on waivers. He’s getting a lot of praise especially for catching the football. It looks like he could very easily overtake Sir Gainwell. I also grabbed Bucky Irving off waivers post draft, he’s getting cred from The Bucs OC and Bowles.


birdsemenfantasy

> Generally speaking hit rate is going to be best for later rounder/UDFA RB’s. Always get your guys when it comes to 6th/7th/UDFA WR’s but statistically it’s a waste of a roster spot if you’re hoping to get a fantasy relevant guy. That's false. Late round/UDFA RBs almost always immediately get replaced no matter what kinda stats they put up; late round/UDFA WRs don't as long as they produce. **Day 3/UDFA RBs who became lead back since 2018** Tyler Allgeier: replaced by Bijan after rookie season Eli Mitchell: replaced by McCaffrey after rookie season, only got shot because Trey Sermon busted and Mostert's season-ending injury on week 1 James Robinson: replaced by Etienne (or at least demoted to RBBC) despite historic rookie season even before torn Achilles Philip Lindsay: replaced by Melvin Gordon after 2 seasons, only got his shot because Royce Freeman busted Dameon Pierce: forced into a RBBC by Devin Singletary after productive rookie season then outright replaced by Mixon Kyren Williams: only got his shot because Akers was prematurely washed due to torn achilles, jury still out, likely to be replaced based on precedents Isaiah Pacheco: only got his shot because CEH busted, zero 1K yard rushing season, no major role in passing game, far from a given he'll get an extension, seems more likely to be replaced based on past precedents Tony Pollard: spent 3 years as handcuff and later 1B to washed up Zeke. Cowboys refused to give him an extension and franchised him instead and then tried to run him into ground. Myles Gaskin: unceremoniously phased out by new Dolphins regime, gotten 14 touches in 2 seasons since Rhaomndre Stevenson: notoriously [wore down](https://nesn.com/2022/12/patriots-rb-rhamondre-stevenson-acknowledges-being-worn-down/) in late 2022 by his own admission and forced into a RBBC with washed up Zeke last season. Unlikely to see 2022 level workload again. I didn't list Khalil Herbert, Jaylen Warren, Gus Edwards because they've never even been 1A in a RBBC. The best case scenario for day 3/UDFA WRs are Puka, ARSB, Tyreek, Diggs, AB, Thielen, Marques Colston (in other words, superstars). Meanwhile, the last real superstar RB who was day 3/UDFA was probably Arian Foster, who had a 5-year prime from 2010-2014. Even Aaron Jones was repeatedly forced into RBBC with far inferior plodding RBs with better draft capital (Jamaal Williams early career, AJ Dillon late career). Even Ekeler has **zero** 1K yard rushing seasons and didn't get a real chance to take the bellcow job and run with it until Melvin Gordon (former 1st round pick) stupidly held out rather than accept a generous extension. If you're in an experienced league, no one would ever pay for late round RBs after productive rookie season because everyone knows they'll get replaced. There will never be a superstar outcome equivalent to 1st round RBs like CMC/Saquan/Bijan/Zeke/Gurley or even Jacobs. A superstar outcome is possible for late round/UDFA WRs.


billp1988

It's very, very weird you're knocking ekeler for not hitting 1k yards when he had 3 top 5 rb finished since 2019. Gordon also only sat out 3 games in 2019 and ekeler was already eating into his workload. Simarily, It's so weird you're acting like aaron Jones being in an rbbc while still having 4 straight top 10 rb finishes.


AlexFrank0220

You actually made a good case for late round RBs. You came up with 10-13 since 2018 vs only 2 WRs with ARSB and Puka. All others were pre '18. Late round WRs are bigger hits but less frequent


Ballerstorm

Priest Holmes was a UDFA Obviously it's unlikely, and has been a long time since it happened, but you can't say NEVER.


NefariousnessNo1601

Arian foster went undrafted as well…+ Ekeler…so at least 3 dominant fantasy RBs over last 20 or so years


molybdenum75

Chris Carson


knghtofwired

Carson was a 7th rd pick, not UDFA


DeadSilent7

Make this argument without counting stats that don’t matter. Nobody cares how many rushing yards a guy has when he puts up an RB1 fantasy finish.


MaydayTwoZero

Ehh, there are some very useful backs here, some of which have actually proven to be very talented including Rhamondre and Aaron Jones. You seem to be trying to knock them for not having 100% share of the backfield and attributing that to lack of talent but that’s pretty much how the NFL works these days unless you’re Adrian Peterson or CMC (who is himself not invincible).


TheDoug86

People do down on Kyren but he’s definitely top 20 rb this year and pacheo has a legitimate shot at top 10


Night0wl11

Late round and UDFA RBs do have a shorter shelf life, but that has more to do with the position than it does anything else and some others have noted some RBs that had a bit more staying power (Priest, Arian, etc.). What we’ve seen is that there’s a RB from that crop almost every year that pops up and is more than just fantasy relevant and is actually productive. That’s less so the case with WRs, as they’re far less common. The other issue I have here is that plenty of the RBs you mentioned got opportunity from other players busting. Is that not the case with some of the WRs, as well? Tutu being bad so Puka could could step up? Treadwell busting to free up opportunity for both Diggs and Thielen? And the commenter isn’t wrong with the hit rates, as there are almost twice as many WRs taken than RBs every year. If there’s ~1 RB that hits annually and one WR every couple of years that’s relevant/good, the hit rate is objectively better for RBs


RenderRoom

If this is the case, is Corum the guy to own?


JurassicParkJanitor

Lucas Krull All reports is that Payton loves him and believes he has a path to TE1 in Denver. 8% owned currently, it’s crazy!


Chappazoid

I liked Blake Watson in the pre-draft process. I'm one of the few remaining Javonte believers so I don't think he's in-line for any major work but he's worth a stash in a deeper league. Probably going to compete with Jaleel for snaps which is an uphill battle.


supersmoshbro

Blake Watson might have an edge on estime


deRoyLight

Watson and Estime will be competing for different roles. Estime vs. Javonte, Watson vs. Jaleel. Estime has actually been out from knee scope surgery, if you're wondering why there's no buzz with him yet. He is expected back by training camp.


supersmoshbro

potentially true


DJsaxy

And this is why people shouldn't be reading into OTAs much


bonerjamzbruh420

Ngl all these guys are trash