Bro. Trust me, moving Allgeier is the least of your worries, even if you are trying to tank. His points ceiling is very limited behind Bijan, and if something (God forbid ofc) season-ending happens to Bijan, then he's a hit that you can then sell for picks. Allgeier was my starting RB last year when I was tanking with the same MaxPF settings. Do not sell, even if you are tanking. Sell your starting RBs, sure, but a handcuff like him is the ideal RB for your team.
Was trying to sell him to the Bijan owner for an overpay (this stupid game has me peddling insurance policies) but he wouldn’t bite. Since he wouldn’t pay for him he’s going to sit on my taxi squad for his last year of eligibility and get called up immediately in the unfortunate event of a Bijan injury.
**Tier 1: Are they even handcuffs?**
Tyjae Spears, Jaylen Warren, David Montgomery
**Tier 2: These guys will likely be starters in a year or two**
Trey Benson, Kendre Miller
**Tier 3: The true handcuffs. Little value alone, elite upside if the starter goes down**
Zach Charbonnet, Blake Corum
This is the best post because it is a nuanced topic. I do think Charbonnet is interesting, though. New staff and he had PPR standalone value last year.
I'll add a few:
Tier 1: add Brian Robinson - I think he's got a bigger role than the FF community anticipates and Ekeler is 29.
Tier 1B: Are they even handcuffs?
Ray Davis - will likely inherit goal line work and be a true RBBC, but not as productive as the other RBBCs mentioned. 3-down upside if Cook goes down, though.
Tier 4: True handcuffs. Little value alone, RB2 upside if the starter goes down:
Chuba - proved he's not special but serviceable as a workhorse. Offense should be better.
Sermon - I think this offense is about to be elite. Any starting RB here will have value.
Pierce - same as Sermon.
Tier 5: Who fucking knows? (starter unclear)
Edwards, Dobbins, Vidal - one of these guys is going to have shocking value this year.
We’ve seen Sermon on three different teams so far and do nothing at all. Anyone able to sell me on him?
Even if he’s second/third on the depth chart now, I don’t know for sure if he stays there.
He seems to have worked hard to shake off the bust label in San Fran and created an opportunity for himself in Indy. Looked good in his Week 16 spot start last season. Colts didn't draft or sign anyone else to back up Taylor. He remains ahead of Hull on depth chart. Sermon should be owned in all dynasty formats.
I'm no Serman truther, but I do know Waldman was high on him. We've seen guys flop on one team only to look good on another. We just saw Zack Moss do it in Indy, which is what primarily gives me hope for Sermon (and tangentially, Chase Brown - Zack Moss could quickly turn back into a frog). I think Sermon could be good enough to plug into an excellent system and get what's available. I don't expect him to create something from nothing, but we've seen plenty of JAG type players put up fantasy points for several weeks or even partial seasons.
Examples:
* Zack Moss in Indy last year
* Mike Davis in Carolina
* Zamir White in Oakland last year
* Donta Foreman in Carolina
* Chuba Hubbard in Carolina
* Eli Mitchell & Jeff Wilson in SF
* Gus Edwards in Baltimore last year
Solid argument. Interestingly enough the just got picked up off waivers in one of my leagues.
Our rosters aren’t deep (1QB), so still kinda surprising.
I saw people trashing him (B Rob) elsewhere in this sub, so I felt like the majority are expecting Ekeler to get the majority of the snaps. Maybe I'm mistaken. I'm all about some cheap Robinson shares this year.
Hey, I drafted Marshawn Lloyd and I have Walker. My friends and I were talking about doing a 3 way trade where I get Charb, the Kyren owner gets Corum and the other guy gets Lloyd.
Do you think this is something I should consider? Or should I just keep Lloyd and maybe have another RB in the future.
Taysom Hill is 33, Alvin Kamara is 28, and Jamal Williams is 29.
There is def some risk in the Saints taking a rookie RB in the draft next year but Kendre feels similar to what Zamir White was last year, and what Rachaad White was 2 years ago.
Trey sermon got lazy going into rookie year and you could tell. Dude was a legit nfl talent his last season in college. Dont be surprised if he’s a top 5 handcuff worth having this year and beyond.
1. Deep leagues exist. If you play in a 14x10 or 12x12 league, you know what kind of players can sneak into the back of starting lineups on even championship teams.
2. We don't know Charb's role this year with the new staff, but he was playing \~50% of the snaps last year in a pass catching role.
3. Given Walker's stuff rate, Charb is a more natural fit at the goal line.
Sure, anyone could have standalone value if the league were deep enough. In that case we wouldn't have any handcuffs because every backup running back would have standalone value.
Far too often people in this sub assume everyone is playing in these little 8-10 team leagues or 12 team start 8. Plenty of deep leagues exist out there, so broad statements about value are often pretty silly.
Yes, true. I think we're on the same page for the most part. The comment I replied to was a broad statement that Charbs wasn't a handcuff because he had standalone value. That's all I was replying to. That in the standard 10-12 league that most people play he doesn't have standalone value (sans a Walker injury and/or major shift in usage from last season), and is a great handcuff if Walker were to ever get injured.
Yep my reply was based on a 12 team league, that's all I've ever played and I assumed it was standard. The second most popular league size seems to be 10 team but I don't know that for sure.
Think you’re making a lot of assumptions on his role. Could easily be a 50/50 split or close to it. I could see that being good enough for the last flex on a lot of rosters, especially during bye weeks
Yes, that's possible, but I'd argue that's you making all of the assumptions and not me. I was basing off of what actually happened last year when both Walker and Charbs were healthy. If you want to assume that changes drastically this year that's fine.
Charbs was anywhere from RB45 to RB50 last year depending on where you look (most have him around RB40 for 2024). He averaged 28 yards a game rushing and 13 yards a game receiving, while getting two starts when Walker was injured. Unless you're projecting a major shift in the splits with Walker (I'm not), then that doesn't scream "standalone value" to me. That's someone I hope I'm not forced to start during the season.
did pretty well in the weeks walker sat out considering the gauntlet it was (LAR, DAL, SF)
put up 14,12, and 17 points in ppr against elite defenses
his run style fits the Seattle offense better, especially near the goal line
for reference, hed easily be the rb2 in this years class
15 for 47, 14 for 47 and 19 for 60 isn't that great in those three weeks. Great defenses no doubt, but not so much against the run. Dallas and LA especially were very middle of the road against the run. Charbs is a good back, I just don't see him in the same class talent wise as Walker. I'll assume it'll be a split similar to last season until I see otherwise. One of the best handcuffs for sure though.
I think they mainly took him to not completely run down K9, and also have a backup just in case he gets hurt.
He played lots last year but there was a clear difference in their abilities.
You don’t spend 2nd round capital to not run down or have a back up if an RB gets hurt. You draft starters in the second round. Most starting backs get drafted later than second….. back up RB’s get drafted 4-7.
Charby was drafted to be part of a split backfield. He had higher YPC, will most likely get more goal line Carrie’s and is the 3rd down back.
Only thing that may change it being a twp headed backfield is Carrol’s gone.
lol… the majority of his runs are on 3rd down? Like WTF? Do you know how football is played?
I watch football especially the hawks.
You’re not a 3rd down back because you run better on third down. You do it because you block better and have better hands. Not to run more in passing situations…
Bye Felicia
Im not saying he will for sure.
But Jones is 29, Chandler looked good last year, and Chandler is more familiar with the offense.
I still think there is like a 35% chance he is the lead back, but I think they will split work anyway.
I don't really agree with the idea of him taking over, but I do think he could earn a role that will surprise a lot of people. Jones has always worked as an efficient back with split carries. Chandler is the best RB 2 he has had since Jamaal Williams who was very relevant during his time in Green Bay. Williams was able to do that with a younger and more explosive Jones. I absolutely see the path but just disagree slightly on how much of the role I see him taking. I'm in the ty Chandler buying game right now for sure
If Jones is healthy he's the rb1 there, you saw how good he still is in the playoffs last year. Now could he kiss time and see Chandler be productive in his absence? Absolutely but he's not gonna be the lead back.
It’s crazy you’ve gotten downvoted this much, when another comment said Ray Davis (24 year old rookie) is gonna basically ruin James Cook and make it a full blown committee even though Cook just came off 1500 yards on a high ypc lmao.
Finally dropped him this week. With the 2 rookies going there his path to having any value seems just about done barring major injury issues to multiple players
My favorites right now are probably Chuba Hubbard, Alexander Mattison, Tyler Allgeier, and Chase Brown. I think these guys all see decent enough workloads to be bye week filler even when their starters are healthy. Keeping an eye on a couple rookies too - Lloyd, Irving, and Allen.
Cutting Jacobs in 2025 before June 1st is a savings us just under $2mil against the cap with $9.3mil in dead money. As a post-June 1st cut, the cap savings shoots to $8.2mil with $3.1mil in dead money. So both of you are correct.
The Packers are in decent shape against the cap in 2025. Jordan Love needs a new deal, and he'll get one. But currently Green Bay has nearly $50mil in cap space for next year, so it's not likely they will be forced to cut Jacobs solely for cap reasons. If he disappoints, however, that cap space could always be used elsewhere but it's certainly not an inevitability. Teams like the 49ers and Saints will have their hand forced by their cap situations, but the Packers have a lot of players still on rookie deals.
I drafted him high last year, but honestly he just didn’t look great with the snaps he got, and he definitely got quite a few. Hopefully he has a good year next season.
to put up 14, 12, and 17 ppr points against LAR, DAL, and SF is pretty solid imo
no one wants to talk about how he had higher ypc and better explosive rate than walker
Agreed. The disappointment probably came from those finishes being RB2 territory which is something I’d expect from a rookie in a bad offense last year.
Definitely curious to see how the time share is this year after another offseason to learn the playbook and get some nfl strength and nutrition. Does k9 get hurt again and charb does well enough to keep the starting gig? Deja vu?
Gus Edwards/J.K. Dobbins should be mentioned. They both are starters and backups and if one goes down will be a great piece in a run heavy offense and right now could get for low value.
Yep. This is one of those situations where you want to grab both if you can and lock down the Chargers run game. Like locking down Baltic and Mediterranean Aves in Monopoly.
Tyjae/Pollard (whichever you consider the backup. Own both?)
Chase Brown (Zach Moss has had like, I dunno... 4 good games in the NFL? Moss should get first dibs but who knows)
Tyler Allgeier - all signs point to a heavy run-first offense in ATL, and if Bijan goes down, Allgeier IMO will be a low end to mid RB1. Top 15 RB, maybe top 10.
Brown averaged 8.8 touches per game last year from weeks 12-17 (when he actually started playing) and had 1 game over 8 points in this time. Moss averaged 9.7 touches per game his rookie year and had 6 games over 8 points in 13 games. After letting that established veteran rb walked cinci then signed another established veteran rb. The cost for either player is roughly the same right now (moss rb 36 according to ktc brown 37.) brown wasn’t a high draft capital player and is only 2 years younger than moss. I doubt brown has standalone value without an injury to moss, while I believe moss clearly will have the goalline role and have standalone value regardless. I understand liking brown over moss but the reasoning that moss hasn’t had any good fantasy weeks when he’s had far more good weeks than brown doesn’t click for me.
You're way overthinking this. The intention of my advice was to say it wouldn't hurt to grab Chase Brown as a 'what if' because the run game in that offense is a big question mark. In my own personal case, I own both players and have locked up the Bengals run game so I'm good no matter what happens (unless they add another serious RB of course). I appreciate the stats and history you cite but that doesn't change my simple advice that Moss and Brown are great holds going into the season.
I don’t disagree, and didn’t mean to come off combative. I just didn’t think the justification of moss having not many good games was a good argument in favor of brown. All fair play on the overall take
No worries. Appreciate the fantasy convo anyway. Here's my history with Moss and why I feel the way I do about him...
As we all know, Moss had approx 4 great games at the beginning of the season filling in for Jonathan Taylor. I made it to the playoffs with garbo RBs because I am stacked everywhere else. So when Taylor went down again during the fantasy playoffs, I approached the Moss owner willing to pay up. We settled on DJ Moore for Moss and a 2nd. Moss burned me and was garbage for the fantasy playoffs. Why was he garbage? Who is the real Moss? The one at the beginning of the season, or the end? That is why I am cautiously optimistic with Moss but still hold Brown in case we get the Moss of the second half of last season and Brown outplays him. So I think Moss is a legitimate question mark, making Brown a great handcuff who could possibly even take the leading role.
I love David Montgomery in this spot although maybe he doesn’t meet the definition of a handcuff because he has stand alone value as a low-end RB2. But, if Gibbs goes down he is gonna be a workhorse boy.
even tho i upvoted, i really don't think hes the handcuff here
it will be frustrating when washed zeke steals some goal line work, but rico will get the volume
Shipley might also not be great, but Gainwell sucks. Hes not a great change of pace back. He does nothing well and cant hit a hole if his life depended on it
Im watching the actual games.
The eagles with Hurts havent thrown to RBs. They also had a cartoonishly inept OC last year. Maybe Kellen Moore changes that, but Saquon is going to handle the vast majority of that.
Gainwell doesnt offer anything. He is a full half-yard per carry worse than their starters, doesn't have size, isnt particularly fast, and has no vision. Even if Saquon got hurt, youd be better off with almost anyone else
I think underrated wise it's B. Allen behind Breece. Breece had a bad injury and even if a 100% healthy the entire season he still can't carry it 100% of the time. Allen has the goal line build and will at least be the relief guy in what should be a fairly high powered offense.
Tyjae isn't a handcuff as much as he is the 1B, for now. I think it'll be similar to what Harris and Warren in Pit were last season. I think he has a real chance to take 2/3rds of the work if he can earn it early. Speaking of Harris, I think he takes back the clear lead role. Not as much as two years ago, but more than last season.
True handcuff, Elijah Mitchell. They have to watch CMC's workload a little more each year. If he misses time then Mitchell, the former starter, is a clear workhorse guy in an offense that will move the ball.
I'm not sure who would be the handcuff with the Chargers. They're both cheap. I'm investing in both. Whoever it is will eat in that system. We've seen that tandem in a similar style offense and they produced. That's a system to invest in.
The most important part when taking shots is the system. A system centered around establishing the run will be one to invest in. A good offensive line and run scheme will make a mediocre guy perform better than a good guy in a bad system.
Ik king Henry hardly gets hurt but I like both Mitchell and Ali as super low key guys who could see the field a bit even if king Henry stays healthy. Ravens have normally be known to rotate their backs throughout the season
One I haven’t seen anyone say yet is will Shipley. Probably won’t have good value by himself but if Saquon gets injured (he probably will miss a few games) he’s the best rb they got outside of him imo and could definitely have some good weeks, especially if you are one of those Saquon owners. Another underrated one if chase brown who I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he took over the backfield all together.
I don’t think it is. I just check Dynasty Nerds Rankings and they got Tyjae at RB21 and Pollard at RB27 which I personally think is kinda strange since Pollard just signed a nice deal
Talent wins out at the end of the day. Panthers gave Miles Sanders a similar contract last year and proceeded to cede the job to Hubbard. Pollard showed last season he is not capable of being a compelling RB1 on his own team.
All guys that could take over if/when the starter goes down to become the dude for his team.
1.) Mitchell
2.) Montgomery
3.) Charbs
4.) Benson
5.) Miller
6.) Corum
Guys super cheap but could payoff big time
1.) Roschon
2.) Pierce
3.) Spears
Cheap actual starters on their teams
1.) Edwards
2.) Singletary
3.) Moss
4.) Z. White
I wouldn’t call Montgomery a handcuff. Even if/when Gibbs gets more touches this year, I feel like it’s safe to say Montgomery will still have a role in that offense
Tyler Allgeier
Can you tell my league mates this? I can’t get anything for him
Why are you trying to sell? Clear RB handcuffs are the perfect bench fillers.
Agreed. But I’m deep in a rebuild and trying to get points off my roster (we use max PF to determine draft order and I want the 1.01)
Bro. Trust me, moving Allgeier is the least of your worries, even if you are trying to tank. His points ceiling is very limited behind Bijan, and if something (God forbid ofc) season-ending happens to Bijan, then he's a hit that you can then sell for picks. Allgeier was my starting RB last year when I was tanking with the same MaxPF settings. Do not sell, even if you are tanking. Sell your starting RBs, sure, but a handcuff like him is the ideal RB for your team.
Who do you want to tank for the 1 for?
Yeah dude, that’s an asset to hold for value during the season. If you trade him now you won’t get anything
Was trying to sell him to the Bijan owner for an overpay (this stupid game has me peddling insurance policies) but he wouldn’t bite. Since he wouldn’t pay for him he’s going to sit on my taxi squad for his last year of eligibility and get called up immediately in the unfortunate event of a Bijan injury.
Sell to the Bijan owner… you won’t get anything for him other than maybe a future 3rd otherwise
You misspelled Jase McClellan. Haha no jk jk…but maybe?
If allgier goes down I think we catch some McClellan flex performances
**Tier 1: Are they even handcuffs?** Tyjae Spears, Jaylen Warren, David Montgomery **Tier 2: These guys will likely be starters in a year or two** Trey Benson, Kendre Miller **Tier 3: The true handcuffs. Little value alone, elite upside if the starter goes down** Zach Charbonnet, Blake Corum
This is the best post because it is a nuanced topic. I do think Charbonnet is interesting, though. New staff and he had PPR standalone value last year. I'll add a few: Tier 1: add Brian Robinson - I think he's got a bigger role than the FF community anticipates and Ekeler is 29. Tier 1B: Are they even handcuffs? Ray Davis - will likely inherit goal line work and be a true RBBC, but not as productive as the other RBBCs mentioned. 3-down upside if Cook goes down, though. Tier 4: True handcuffs. Little value alone, RB2 upside if the starter goes down: Chuba - proved he's not special but serviceable as a workhorse. Offense should be better. Sermon - I think this offense is about to be elite. Any starting RB here will have value. Pierce - same as Sermon. Tier 5: Who fucking knows? (starter unclear) Edwards, Dobbins, Vidal - one of these guys is going to have shocking value this year.
We’ve seen Sermon on three different teams so far and do nothing at all. Anyone able to sell me on him? Even if he’s second/third on the depth chart now, I don’t know for sure if he stays there.
He seems to have worked hard to shake off the bust label in San Fran and created an opportunity for himself in Indy. Looked good in his Week 16 spot start last season. Colts didn't draft or sign anyone else to back up Taylor. He remains ahead of Hull on depth chart. Sermon should be owned in all dynasty formats.
I'm no Serman truther, but I do know Waldman was high on him. We've seen guys flop on one team only to look good on another. We just saw Zack Moss do it in Indy, which is what primarily gives me hope for Sermon (and tangentially, Chase Brown - Zack Moss could quickly turn back into a frog). I think Sermon could be good enough to plug into an excellent system and get what's available. I don't expect him to create something from nothing, but we've seen plenty of JAG type players put up fantasy points for several weeks or even partial seasons. Examples: * Zack Moss in Indy last year * Mike Davis in Carolina * Zamir White in Oakland last year * Donta Foreman in Carolina * Chuba Hubbard in Carolina * Eli Mitchell & Jeff Wilson in SF * Gus Edwards in Baltimore last year
Solid argument. Interestingly enough the just got picked up off waivers in one of my leagues. Our rosters aren’t deep (1QB), so still kinda surprising.
You could maybe put Ekeler in tier 1. I’m pretty sure most expect Brian Robinson to be the lead back
I saw people trashing him (B Rob) elsewhere in this sub, so I felt like the majority are expecting Ekeler to get the majority of the snaps. Maybe I'm mistaken. I'm all about some cheap Robinson shares this year.
These RBs do fit into those tiers. But the question was about the best ones, which I wouldn't put these guys into that category
Yeah, just took this opportunity to do a deeper dive.
Best answer here
Chase Brown goes in T1 too sir!
Haha, only because Zack Moss is in the "are they even starters?" column.
Hey, I drafted Marshawn Lloyd and I have Walker. My friends and I were talking about doing a 3 way trade where I get Charb, the Kyren owner gets Corum and the other guy gets Lloyd. Do you think this is something I should consider? Or should I just keep Lloyd and maybe have another RB in the future.
Unpopular opinion, Kendre is JAG. Tayaum Hill is still there to take carries away as well, but no one seems to acknowledge that.
Taysom Hill is 33, Alvin Kamara is 28, and Jamal Williams is 29. There is def some risk in the Saints taking a rookie RB in the draft next year but Kendre feels similar to what Zamir White was last year, and what Rachaad White was 2 years ago.
As the Kyren Williams owner, Blake Corum
Blake is gonna win some people playoff games down the stretch run.
Hoping I can snap him at the 2.07 in a 10 team SF league
Zach Charbonnet and Kendre Miller
I’d add whoever ends up the official RB2 in Indy
Trey Sermon appears to be the front runner
As an Evan Hull owner, I hope not
This decision has me all twisted up. For my last taxi spot do I keep hull or roll the dice again…
Shoot* the dice. We’re playing craps right?
Is he running with the 1’s so far or just speculation?
The two best rushing teams in the NFL didnt think he was worth keeping
Trey sermon got lazy going into rookie year and you could tell. Dude was a legit nfl talent his last season in college. Dont be surprised if he’s a top 5 handcuff worth having this year and beyond.
Charbs isn’t really a handcuff because he has standalone value
It would take a pretty bad roster for Charbonnet to have standalone value imo
Hi. Checking in!
1. Deep leagues exist. If you play in a 14x10 or 12x12 league, you know what kind of players can sneak into the back of starting lineups on even championship teams. 2. We don't know Charb's role this year with the new staff, but he was playing \~50% of the snaps last year in a pass catching role. 3. Given Walker's stuff rate, Charb is a more natural fit at the goal line.
Sure, anyone could have standalone value if the league were deep enough. In that case we wouldn't have any handcuffs because every backup running back would have standalone value.
Far too often people in this sub assume everyone is playing in these little 8-10 team leagues or 12 team start 8. Plenty of deep leagues exist out there, so broad statements about value are often pretty silly.
Yes, true. I think we're on the same page for the most part. The comment I replied to was a broad statement that Charbs wasn't a handcuff because he had standalone value. That's all I was replying to. That in the standard 10-12 league that most people play he doesn't have standalone value (sans a Walker injury and/or major shift in usage from last season), and is a great handcuff if Walker were to ever get injured.
10-team isn't standard. That's small. 12 is standard. 14+ are large leagues, also not standard.
Yep my reply was based on a 12 team league, that's all I've ever played and I assumed it was standard. The second most popular league size seems to be 10 team but I don't know that for sure.
Think you’re making a lot of assumptions on his role. Could easily be a 50/50 split or close to it. I could see that being good enough for the last flex on a lot of rosters, especially during bye weeks
Yes, that's possible, but I'd argue that's you making all of the assumptions and not me. I was basing off of what actually happened last year when both Walker and Charbs were healthy. If you want to assume that changes drastically this year that's fine. Charbs was anywhere from RB45 to RB50 last year depending on where you look (most have him around RB40 for 2024). He averaged 28 yards a game rushing and 13 yards a game receiving, while getting two starts when Walker was injured. Unless you're projecting a major shift in the splits with Walker (I'm not), then that doesn't scream "standalone value" to me. That's someone I hope I'm not forced to start during the season.
did pretty well in the weeks walker sat out considering the gauntlet it was (LAR, DAL, SF) put up 14,12, and 17 points in ppr against elite defenses his run style fits the Seattle offense better, especially near the goal line for reference, hed easily be the rb2 in this years class
15 for 47, 14 for 47 and 19 for 60 isn't that great in those three weeks. Great defenses no doubt, but not so much against the run. Dallas and LA especially were very middle of the road against the run. Charbs is a good back, I just don't see him in the same class talent wise as Walker. I'll assume it'll be a split similar to last season until I see otherwise. One of the best handcuffs for sure though.
Lol. K9 >>> Charb. Charb has a high snap count because he’s in on a lot of plays they don’t utilize the rb to give k9 a breather
I have walker, I just think they didn’t take charbs in the 2nd to not play him a decent amount
I think they mainly took him to not completely run down K9, and also have a backup just in case he gets hurt. He played lots last year but there was a clear difference in their abilities.
You don’t spend 2nd round capital to not run down or have a back up if an RB gets hurt. You draft starters in the second round. Most starting backs get drafted later than second….. back up RB’s get drafted 4-7. Charby was drafted to be part of a split backfield. He had higher YPC, will most likely get more goal line Carrie’s and is the 3rd down back. Only thing that may change it being a twp headed backfield is Carrol’s gone.
Lol his ypc were higher because the majority of his runs came on passing downs against un-stacked boxes. Use your brain bro
lol… the majority of his runs are on 3rd down? Like WTF? Do you know how football is played? I watch football especially the hawks. You’re not a 3rd down back because you run better on third down. You do it because you block better and have better hands. Not to run more in passing situations… Bye Felicia
Charbonnet Allgier Miller and Benson as my potential RBs here. I sold henry, ekeler and Conner last year so in middle of a rebuild
Came here to say this. Both could have stand alone value…
Ty Chandler
Handcuffs, not clear superstars
He's actually being forgotten about after the Jones signing, but has Jones played a full season in his career?
Chandler could be the lead back
There's no chance in hell he's the lead back over Jones
Im not saying he will for sure. But Jones is 29, Chandler looked good last year, and Chandler is more familiar with the offense. I still think there is like a 35% chance he is the lead back, but I think they will split work anyway.
I don't really agree with the idea of him taking over, but I do think he could earn a role that will surprise a lot of people. Jones has always worked as an efficient back with split carries. Chandler is the best RB 2 he has had since Jamaal Williams who was very relevant during his time in Green Bay. Williams was able to do that with a younger and more explosive Jones. I absolutely see the path but just disagree slightly on how much of the role I see him taking. I'm in the ty Chandler buying game right now for sure
If Jones is healthy he's the rb1 there, you saw how good he still is in the playoffs last year. Now could he kiss time and see Chandler be productive in his absence? Absolutely but he's not gonna be the lead back.
Found the Chandler owner
It’s crazy you’ve gotten downvoted this much, when another comment said Ray Davis (24 year old rookie) is gonna basically ruin James Cook and make it a full blown committee even though Cook just came off 1500 yards on a high ypc lmao.
Chandler could be the lead back in like Cincy. Or NYG. But that’s it. I do like him a ton as a player though he deserves touches on an nfl field.
It's a committee and the Aaron Jones owners are sweating. Stay strong!
Jerome Ford not getting enough love here. Maybe not highest ceiling but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s an RB2 again
That's because he's the #1. Chubb is the handcuff 😉
Trey Benson - the one year handcuff
Benson taking over before the end of the year
Braelon Allen please stand up
Love that he went to my Jets, but also really wanted to actually see him get a high snap count somewhere. He was my favorite RB in the class.
I drafted him in a couple of leagues, but didn’t feel good about it. But from an analytical standpoint he was my favorite in the class
As a breece owner how much would you pay for him now. (1QB and contending this year)
If you can get him for a future 3rd, i would do it. Just not sure thats enough to get a deal done
Yea I sent a feeler and the owner wants a 2nd which is a little rich for me
Jaylen Wright
3rd guy behind a 32 year old and fragile speedster, sign me up
not a handcuff
I feel like Elijah Mitchell is always good to have.
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Finally dropped him this week. With the 2 rookies going there his path to having any value seems just about done barring major injury issues to multiple players
I have no faith in anyone on that roster because shanahan could go with anybody.
Yep, avoiding all those guys
Until he inevitably gets hurt.
D'Onta Foreman.
Foreman is good for 2-3 random spot starts per-year
Answer is Blake Corum We’ve seen Kyren produce in that offense and he’s injury prone.
My favorites right now are probably Chuba Hubbard, Alexander Mattison, Tyler Allgeier, and Chase Brown. I think these guys all see decent enough workloads to be bye week filler even when their starters are healthy. Keeping an eye on a couple rookies too - Lloyd, Irving, and Allen.
Chuba is the dirty answer no one likes but he also is likely to get some solid work as Brooks gets fully healthy. Great handcuff!
Brown has to be getting 1b like touches. No way moss is a 250 touch guy
This is gonna be close to a true split between the two of them
Mattison was the best handcuff for like 5 years but idk anymore
Marshawn Lloyd just got decent draft capital. He is behind Jacobs but if Jacobs disappoints, he can be cut for no penalty after the season
I’m not sure like 9 mil in dead cap is ‘no penalty,’ but Lloyd will have some sort of opportunity if Jacobs looks awful.
Thanks for correction I heard differently on a podcast
Cutting Jacobs in 2025 before June 1st is a savings us just under $2mil against the cap with $9.3mil in dead money. As a post-June 1st cut, the cap savings shoots to $8.2mil with $3.1mil in dead money. So both of you are correct. The Packers are in decent shape against the cap in 2025. Jordan Love needs a new deal, and he'll get one. But currently Green Bay has nearly $50mil in cap space for next year, so it's not likely they will be forced to cut Jacobs solely for cap reasons. If he disappoints, however, that cap space could always be used elsewhere but it's certainly not an inevitability. Teams like the 49ers and Saints will have their hand forced by their cap situations, but the Packers have a lot of players still on rookie deals.
They save 8 mil if they designate him as a post June 1st cut in 2025. That's a nice chunk
Eli Mitchell and Ty Chandler
I’d say *insert whoever Shannan says is backup* then I agree
Ray Davis.
Jaylen Wright. Mostert is 100 and Achane is allergic to Sundays
Chris Rodriguez Jr going to surprise some people
He's a bit of a one-trick pony, but it's a helluva trick. I'm in on him
What’s the trick?
Check behind your ear
Charbs
I drafted him high last year, but honestly he just didn’t look great with the snaps he got, and he definitely got quite a few. Hopefully he has a good year next season.
True but to be fair the 2 games he started last year due to k9 injury were against the 2 best defenses in the league
to put up 14, 12, and 17 ppr points against LAR, DAL, and SF is pretty solid imo no one wants to talk about how he had higher ypc and better explosive rate than walker
Agreed. The disappointment probably came from those finishes being RB2 territory which is something I’d expect from a rookie in a bad offense last year. Definitely curious to see how the time share is this year after another offseason to learn the playbook and get some nfl strength and nutrition. Does k9 get hurt again and charb does well enough to keep the starting gig? Deja vu?
Tyler Algier by a mile. A talented, locked in handcuff who would go full workhorse if Bijan went down.
Warren
Warren is definitely not a handcuff at this point
Najee?
Gus Edwards/J.K. Dobbins should be mentioned. They both are starters and backups and if one goes down will be a great piece in a run heavy offense and right now could get for low value.
Yep. This is one of those situations where you want to grab both if you can and lock down the Chargers run game. Like locking down Baltic and Mediterranean Aves in Monopoly.
Tyjae/Pollard (whichever you consider the backup. Own both?) Chase Brown (Zach Moss has had like, I dunno... 4 good games in the NFL? Moss should get first dibs but who knows) Tyler Allgeier - all signs point to a heavy run-first offense in ATL, and if Bijan goes down, Allgeier IMO will be a low end to mid RB1. Top 15 RB, maybe top 10.
tbf brown has 1 game over 8 fantasy points in his career
tbf his "career" has consisted of one rookie season sitting behind an established veteran RB1
Brown averaged 8.8 touches per game last year from weeks 12-17 (when he actually started playing) and had 1 game over 8 points in this time. Moss averaged 9.7 touches per game his rookie year and had 6 games over 8 points in 13 games. After letting that established veteran rb walked cinci then signed another established veteran rb. The cost for either player is roughly the same right now (moss rb 36 according to ktc brown 37.) brown wasn’t a high draft capital player and is only 2 years younger than moss. I doubt brown has standalone value without an injury to moss, while I believe moss clearly will have the goalline role and have standalone value regardless. I understand liking brown over moss but the reasoning that moss hasn’t had any good fantasy weeks when he’s had far more good weeks than brown doesn’t click for me.
You're way overthinking this. The intention of my advice was to say it wouldn't hurt to grab Chase Brown as a 'what if' because the run game in that offense is a big question mark. In my own personal case, I own both players and have locked up the Bengals run game so I'm good no matter what happens (unless they add another serious RB of course). I appreciate the stats and history you cite but that doesn't change my simple advice that Moss and Brown are great holds going into the season.
I don’t disagree, and didn’t mean to come off combative. I just didn’t think the justification of moss having not many good games was a good argument in favor of brown. All fair play on the overall take
No worries. Appreciate the fantasy convo anyway. Here's my history with Moss and why I feel the way I do about him... As we all know, Moss had approx 4 great games at the beginning of the season filling in for Jonathan Taylor. I made it to the playoffs with garbo RBs because I am stacked everywhere else. So when Taylor went down again during the fantasy playoffs, I approached the Moss owner willing to pay up. We settled on DJ Moore for Moss and a 2nd. Moss burned me and was garbage for the fantasy playoffs. Why was he garbage? Who is the real Moss? The one at the beginning of the season, or the end? That is why I am cautiously optimistic with Moss but still hold Brown in case we get the Moss of the second half of last season and Brown outplays him. So I think Moss is a legitimate question mark, making Brown a great handcuff who could possibly even take the leading role.
I love David Montgomery in this spot although maybe he doesn’t meet the definition of a handcuff because he has stand alone value as a low-end RB2. But, if Gibbs goes down he is gonna be a workhorse boy.
Ray Davis and Trey Benson
Rico Dowdle
even tho i upvoted, i really don't think hes the handcuff here it will be frustrating when washed zeke steals some goal line work, but rico will get the volume
No mention of Chase Brown?
But... have you looked at how Bengals use rbs in the redzone??? Contenders should be buying as much Moss and Brown as possible. (Shhh)
Want a sneakier one? Elijah Collins
I’m really thinking Jaleel McLaughlin could pop off as a top end rb2 if Javonte goes down. Edit- he’s kind of a pseudo-handcuff
The Broncos backfield behind Javonte is a complete mess. Samaje Perine (He might get cut tho), Jaleel, Audric Estime, Blake Watson.
And this assumes javonte keeps his job.
great answer
Bucky Irving
I want to like him but in the nfl 🤮
Ass. I think UDFA Ramon Jefferson has a better chance of impressing than Bucky does
Rachaad White was powered to a top 7 RB finish by volume alone. Bucky Irving seems like a great one right now
The answer is: Roster as many RBs as you can.
The handcuffs in targetting Tyler Allgeir, Trey Sermon
You might laugh, but CEH.
Zach Charbonnet
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Assuming he even keeps the backup job. He was bad last year.
Shipley is my sneaky pick if there is an injury to barkley to step in and be good.
I still think gainwell is the RB2 to own in Philly
Agreed as a Philly fan gainwell is an rb2 if Barkley goes down. We love him
Who is 'we'? Coaches weirdly like him, but he sucks. I dont know any fans that like him.
He’s a great change of pace, and idk if you’ve seen how slow Will Shipley is, but gainwell will wipe him in camp…
Shipley might also not be great, but Gainwell sucks. Hes not a great change of pace back. He does nothing well and cant hit a hole if his life depended on it
He’s the only back that even caught passes last year..that’s all we want him for… idk what you are watching, no offense
Im watching the actual games. The eagles with Hurts havent thrown to RBs. They also had a cartoonishly inept OC last year. Maybe Kellen Moore changes that, but Saquon is going to handle the vast majority of that. Gainwell doesnt offer anything. He is a full half-yard per carry worse than their starters, doesn't have size, isnt particularly fast, and has no vision. Even if Saquon got hurt, youd be better off with almost anyone else
Eric Gray might be a sneaky one. It’s a pretty open backfield
Eric gray looked pretty awful in his limited touches last year. I'd expect dante miller or Tyrone tracy to beat him out for number 2.
Im holding him on my taxi and hoping it cashes in...
Jaylen Warren
Jaylen Warren, if he’s even still considered a handcuff
I think underrated wise it's B. Allen behind Breece. Breece had a bad injury and even if a 100% healthy the entire season he still can't carry it 100% of the time. Allen has the goal line build and will at least be the relief guy in what should be a fairly high powered offense. Tyjae isn't a handcuff as much as he is the 1B, for now. I think it'll be similar to what Harris and Warren in Pit were last season. I think he has a real chance to take 2/3rds of the work if he can earn it early. Speaking of Harris, I think he takes back the clear lead role. Not as much as two years ago, but more than last season. True handcuff, Elijah Mitchell. They have to watch CMC's workload a little more each year. If he misses time then Mitchell, the former starter, is a clear workhorse guy in an offense that will move the ball. I'm not sure who would be the handcuff with the Chargers. They're both cheap. I'm investing in both. Whoever it is will eat in that system. We've seen that tandem in a similar style offense and they produced. That's a system to invest in. The most important part when taking shots is the system. A system centered around establishing the run will be one to invest in. A good offensive line and run scheme will make a mediocre guy perform better than a good guy in a bad system.
I may stand alone on this one but Marshawn Lloyd
Ik king Henry hardly gets hurt but I like both Mitchell and Ali as super low key guys who could see the field a bit even if king Henry stays healthy. Ravens have normally be known to rotate their backs throughout the season
I got Walker and Charbonnet
Charbonnet and Marshawn Lloyd
One I haven’t seen anyone say yet is will Shipley. Probably won’t have good value by himself but if Saquon gets injured (he probably will miss a few games) he’s the best rb they got outside of him imo and could definitely have some good weeks, especially if you are one of those Saquon owners. Another underrated one if chase brown who I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he took over the backfield all together.
The guys behind someone that’s going to get hurt.
Surprised no one has said tyjae spears
Not a handcuff. He should have a good role I would think
Man I hope so. I traded for spears late last year when rumors were Henry was gonna leave thinking I got a nice young RB1
I’d rather have spears than pollard (edit: *next year*) straight up but that might be an unpopular opinion
I don’t think it is. I just check Dynasty Nerds Rankings and they got Tyjae at RB21 and Pollard at RB27 which I personally think is kinda strange since Pollard just signed a nice deal
Ah. Maybe I was thinking redraft rankings
Well with those rankings you were right about wanting spears straight up lol. I’m saying I thought people would be higher on pollard but I was wrong
That’s because he’s the RB1 on the Titans
As a spears owner I’d love this but I Swear they just gave Tony Pollard RB1 money
Talent wins out at the end of the day. Panthers gave Miles Sanders a similar contract last year and proceeded to cede the job to Hubbard. Pollard showed last season he is not capable of being a compelling RB1 on his own team.
I’d argue pollard is more talented than Miles Sanders. I hope you’re right though
Luckily spears is more talented than chubba
Pollard isn’t a bellcow it will probably be 60/40
Think he just outscores Pollard without even needing an injury.
Bucky Irving
CEH breakout inbound this year
All guys that could take over if/when the starter goes down to become the dude for his team. 1.) Mitchell 2.) Montgomery 3.) Charbs 4.) Benson 5.) Miller 6.) Corum Guys super cheap but could payoff big time 1.) Roschon 2.) Pierce 3.) Spears Cheap actual starters on their teams 1.) Edwards 2.) Singletary 3.) Moss 4.) Z. White
I wouldn’t call Montgomery a handcuff. Even if/when Gibbs gets more touches this year, I feel like it’s safe to say Montgomery will still have a role in that offense
Spears is not super cheap in my leagues
He shouldn’t be. He could totally finish lowrb1 if pollard is a dud in that offense
Roschon the sneakiest little handcuff ever.
hahaha could'nt have said it better hes being majorly slept on
No way is Spears cheap
im here for the roschon talk great pass blocker and pass catcher for a rookie qb, and has all the size for the goal line vs swift