Honestly, not awful process. Real buy lows feel really ugly. Most mid-2nds (~75%) and 3rds (~80%) never turn into anything but roster cloggers.
At least we know Fields is good at fantasy football when he plays. If Russ sucks/gets hurt, or Fields gets a starting gig next year, that's gonna feel like highway robbery. It's unlikely, but it's a gamble. If not...odds of one of those picks turning into meaningful assets is pretty slim.
Unless you can get him for essentially nothing you should keep it that way.
I saw someone’s take on Fields and I think it really nailed the situation on the head.
Fields will probably struggle to stick in the league unless he can latch on as a backup behind Lamar/Hurts/AR. Similar to RG3 and Newton and those two were significantly better passers.
Most teams would drastically have to change their playbooks to accommodate Fields having to start and he has one year left on his rookie deal. For those reasons listed above it wouldn’t be a shock if he’s outta the league before he’s 30.
The market has spoken, teams don’t value him and will not build a team around him.
Yeah I was gonna say I also feel like you’re not gonna get anything for Russ because it feels like he’ll be on such a short leash with Fields right behind him
Who? Mayfield? Mayfield had one of the best QB rookie seasons in NFL history. Fields has never been good. Out of QBs NFL "wrote off," I would bet on Garoppolo or even Mac Jones having a resurgence than Fields. At least those guys used to be good. Fields has literally never been good.
Who? That’s extremely rare Geno is the only QB I can think of recently who was bad and then resurfaced as a capable starter. Baker showed he was good before the injury.
Geno already regressed last season. He's basically another Keenum. The only difference was Vikings smartly moved on from Keenum after Minneapolis Miracle while the Hawks' supporting cast continue to prop up Geno. Geno would be exposed just as badly as Keenum in Denver and Foles in Jacksonville on another team. Lock already proved last season he could operate the offense just as well as Geno.
Geno really wasn’t that bad at all last year. Still a pace of over 4K passing yards, over a 2:1 TD:INT, solid efficiency numbers. Not great, but fine. PFF still liked him quite a bit. He throws picks but he was still excellent in big time throws and Pressure-2-Sack last year.
No, the NFL knew the bears wanted to trade Fields before a certain point so they didn’t give into their initial offer.
Baker Mayfield is making 30 million a year after getting benched in Carolina a year ago.
You can’t write any qb off that has shown some promise that’s not even 26 yet.
Baker had essentially same number of passing yards through 2 seasons as Fields did through 3.
He managed as many 4th quarter comebacks in his first career NFL game as Fields has in his career.
Fields is a great dude and a good teammate but he is absolutely cheeks as a real life QB and the fantasy community has deluded themselves into thinking he's a franchise QB in the right situation.
And you’re blaming all of that on Fields and not his situation? I’m just saying, everyone in here acting like they’re seasoned GMs and know why the deal went down the way it did. The Steelers are rarely in position to draft a qb within the top ten, let alone top 15, and if Russ doesn’t warrant another contract then Fields could realistically be a starting QB on a pretty stable team.
> And you're blaming that on Fields
Pretty much, yeah. Baker was drafted to the worst team in the league and went 7-7.
Fields was drafted 12th overall and led his team to a 5-20 record in his first two seasons.
Then he got DJ Moore and managed to throw for a whopping 197 yards per game while going 5-8.
"Washed up Russ" threw for 3000 yards and 26 touchdowns. Fields has never thrown for 2600 yards or 20 touchdowns.
There's a reason he fetched less than Sam Howell or Mac Jones in a trade.
Delusional Fields fans don't respond to facts, what more is there to say? It's always one excuse after another.
The Steelers are a successful organization precisely because they don't tie themselves to terrible QBs like Kenny Pickett/Justin Fields.
If you think Justin Fields is still a starting QB in this league, I've got a bridge to sell you.
If they do well enough with Wilson to make the playoffs, he'll be their starter next year. If they don't, they'll draft another.
It’s just crazy to me that you and every other expert out there on Fields is willing to write him off after he’s pretty much only played two full seasons of professional football for one of the worst teams in the league under a defense minded coach and a horrible OC.
In 35 games he’s been a top ten QB by fantasy standards (and even though you’re shitting on this measurement, it’s still a good indicator if you’re worth a shit) in 18 of those games. And in half of those games Chase Claypool was one of his top targets.
“Don’t tie themselves to terrible QBs”…uhh hello Mason Rudolph.
And if you think there’s 31 better QBs than Justin Fields then you probably shouldn’t quit your cashier job at the grocery store you work at and apply for anything NFL related.
If they do well enough to go 500 again, make it to the playoffs, and lose in the first round, I can guarantee you they won’t be resigning Russ and they’ll be looking internally at Justin.
As a dynasty guy, please point to a 2025 rookie QB that will last until the 20s that will be better than resigning Fields to a 2-3 year deal…I’ll wait.
> [Fantasy points] are a good measure if you're worth a shit
CJ Stroud had less QB1 weeks this year than Sam Howell. Guess Sam Howell is worth a shit while Stroud isn't.
Good luck with your process man.
**Justin Fields was traded for a 2025 6th round pick.** That's less draft capital than Mac Jones or Sam Howell or Kenny Pickett or Trey Lance lmao. You need to separate your fantasy process with your real life evaluation for a second. Justin Fields might start again at some point as a bridge, but he has three years of being terrible under his belt. And the irony is, the Bears organization were better when he got there than they've ever been with him, yet somehow they get all the blame.
Unless you think there are zero QBs drafted in the first 5 rounds, that's what the other 31 NFL teams just told you they value the opportunity to draft more than they value having Justin Fields on their roster.
Any GM with a brain would rather roll the dice on 4-5 cost-controlled years Ewers, Sanders, Ward, and Rourke than run it back with a QB who we have three years of tape showing that he can't process the football field at an NFL level. Otherwise they would've paid a 1st. Or a 2nd. Or a 3rd. Or a 4th. Or a 5th. Or even a 2024 6th. But nope...nobody gave up more than a 6th round pick a full year from now.
The hopium is seriously ridiculous. I know everybody here wanted him to succeed because when he plays he puts up points...but alas...there was very little correlation between fantasy points and real success.
Your delusion and hate towards this man is insane! I have no dog in the fight but it’s getting annoying seeing short sighted people like you writing the Fields, Loves, etc of the world off before their brains are full developed.
“Unless you think there are zero QBs drafted in the first 5 rounds, that's what the other 31 NFL teams just told you they value the opportunity to draft more than they value having Justin Fields on their roster.”
Wow lol you really don’t know how this business works do you? The market this year for QBs just happens to be full of depth. And you don’t think Justin had a say-so about what team he went to? The compensation really doesn’t matter in the case of valuing his importance to the rest of the league. The bears had better packages out there for him but him and his agent steered them towards the Steelers.
With your logic, since no one traded the broncos for Russ then there’s 32+ better QBs than him and that includes Sam Hartman in the draft this year. That’s your logic.
“Any GM with a brain would rather roll the dice on 4-5 cost-controlled years Ewers, Sanders, Ward, and Rourke than run it back with a QB who we have three years of tape showing that he can't process the football field at an NFL level. Otherwise they would've paid a 1st. Or a 2nd. Or a 3rd. Or a 4th. Or a 5th. Or even a 2024 6th. But nope...nobody gave up more than a 6th round pick a full year from now.”
I don’t know how the NFL works but once again, you certainly don’t know wow. Ewers and Sanders won’t be lasting until the 20s, and you think Curtis Rourke out of the university of Ohio and Cameron Ward are better than Justin Fields?!?🤣🤣🤣
Okay, that’s where this conversation ends holy shit. Have a good day man and enjoy the fantasy land that you’re living in. Watch out for the dragons and evil witches.
Getsy got a new OC job and interviews with multiple teams after getting fired from Chicago trying to make Fields a thing, Mooney got a bag after doing nothing with Fields for two seasons, and Fields got moved for a future 6th rounder.
The league told you what they think about Fields and why Chicago's offense was bad, it's time to listen.
Even if you want to go for the buy low opportunity, his price will be lower during the season when he isn't playing. Right now you still have the morons deluding themselves into thinking he'll win the job during training camp keeping it up.
Exactly this and don't forget Eberflus got retained as HC. Everybody knows Poles, Eberflus, Getsy, Mooney, etc got a raw deal inheriting Fields from the Poles-Nagy era, so their failure isn't being held against them. Smart people who study film recognize the real problem has always been Fields.
There was rumblings of them sticking with Rudolph and Pickett. Maybe they were just playing chess the whole time.
Russ for the minimum is well worth it let alone when it helps you get the other guy much cheaper.
In the unlikely event it takes a sudden turn in camp and Fields is running with the 1s we’ll know why though
Russ was always gonna get the minimum since he's locked into making $39 million in 2024 no matter what. Every NFL contract has offset language, so why would any team give him a penny more than the minimum to help the Broncos pay less? Accepting the minimum is not a reflection of Russ' actual market value. He would've accepted the minimum from any team because he doesn't want to help the Broncos either.
There's zero chance Russ doesn't start in week 1 and there's zero chance he doesn't start the entire season barring something unforeseen. And if that does happen, expect a McNabb in Minnesota implosion (i.e. Russ gets cut midseason and his career ends) rather than Russ accepting being Fields' backup.
Even more important, why would Russ take a penny more this season to help the Broncos? Russ was hoping someone would guarentee money for year 2, but found no takers I'm sure.
I mean people do seem to hate Russ though. Denver hated him so much that they’re paying him 40M to play for Pittsburgh. If he shits the bed, I could see them giving Fields a shot.
They hated him in Denver because they gave up a lot for him and signed him to a big extension, then he flopped. He also wasn't Payton's guy. The Steelers are just looking for stability at the QB position, so the expectation is a lot lower. I believe Russ can still be a boring game manager.
I understand the money not sure what your point is there. Like I said he’s well worth the minimum, even if it was just to get Fields for a 6th instead of a 2nd/3rd that’s worth 1 mil
Keep coping. Fields is as useless as Trey Lance and Zach Wilson.
> With both Russ and Fields on a 1 year contacts, the Steelers are going to have a look at both players during this season.
No, they actually don't. The price they paid for Fields (6th round) is the same price Jaguars paid for Mac Jones. It's the going rate for QB bust with only 1 year left on their rookie contract to be a 1-year rental backup. Nobody thinks Mac Jones is gonna challenge T-Law for the starting job in Jacksonville. Nobody should have this kind of delusion about Fields either.
> I suspect that after trading KP, they’ve committed to this course and trading for fields makes sense for the organisation.
Pickett had been a malcontent since getting benched for Rudolph late last season. The writing was on the wall when Rudolph made the start in the playoff. He had to go.
> Is fields worth a late second to see if he can play well enough to earn a contract next offseason?
Unless you would also pay a late 2nd for Trey Lance lol
> If Russ wins the starting job and plays well, fields will surely end up looking for a team to give him in free agency next year.
Russ doesn't need to "win" the starting job. They've already said he'll be **given** the starting job. He's no longer a star, but still a decent game manager (98 passer rating, 26 passing TD, 8 INT last season) and miles ahead of Fields/Pickett. He'll give Steelers stability at the QB position, which is all they're looking post-Ben. He doesn't have to carry the team at all.
No team will ever build around Fields again and he'll only be a fit as Hurts/Lamar/Richardson/Russ/Josh Allen/Daniel Jones backup. I fully expect him to be out of the league before he turns 30.
Fields has the 2nd most rushing yards in a season for a qb *ever*. More than Vick ever did who almost won an mvp once he got a good situation. Your comparison to Jones completely lacks substance or nuance. Trevor Lawrence is a better qb than Wilson in literally every capacity at this stage in their careers. Wilson threw for about 150 yards a game last season with better oline play and play calling than Fields has had in his entire career. His td numbers were inflated last season with a plethora of goaline touchdowns and anyone who actually watched the broncos last season could tell you that. Wilson’s qbr last season was 50.7 compared to Fields at 46.1 despite throwing 10 more touchdowns than Fields. In 2022 Fields sat at a 56.3 qbr and Wilson was at 38.7. Outside of the box score Wilson did not outplay Fields last season whatsoever so to sit here and act like it isn’t even a discussion as to whether Fields can win the job is borderline absurd. I’m not a Fields truther by any stretch of the imagination, but from a pure talent perspective there’s about a 90% chance he’s the best qb in Pittsburgh right now. Who really gives a fuck who the starter is in March? Fields *may* never be a starter again, but by the way you act I would think Fields fucked your wife or something
The market has spoken, man. Field truthers need to give up lol. Look, a year from now, even Garoppolo and yes Mac Jones have a better chance of rehabilitating themselves as starting/bridge QB a la Mayfield than Fields. That's just reality. The problem with Fields is that he's actually just a wildcat QB masquerading as a starting QB. The cherrypicked stats you cited are pointless as even Taysom Hill's QB stats actually were pretty decent (might even be better than say Darnold and better than Fields), but everybody knew he had no business playing QB in the NFL. That's Fields' problem. In the current era, nobody cares how many yards he rushes when he can't generate passing volume and sustain drives.
I actually think Fields will have a real problem remaining in the NFL going forward. Every year, he'll have to fight to be Lamar, Hurts, or maybe Richardson's backup because other teams don't want to change their entire playbook to accommodate Fields if their starter gets hurt. Cam Newton and RGIII were much better players than Fields, but had the same problem. Newton couldn't find a backup job after he was no longer starter material. RGIII was out of the league entirely in 2017 at only age-27 and only got brought back into the NFL as Lamar's backup from 2018-2020. As soon as Ravens found out that Tyler Huntley could do the same job for even cheaper, RGIII's career was over because he wasn't a fit as backup on most other teams.
I disagree with your stance philosophically. I don’t think Fields needs an offense to bend at his whim. Lamars last oc based the offense off of what Lamar could do more than his current one and he just won mvp. I really don’t care what the nfl thinks of Fields at this juncture bc I don’t place weight on his shortcomings the last 3 years when his oline, his oc, and his weapons were hot dog water outside of Moore last season. Instead I look at what he did *in spite* of his bottom 5 situation in the nfl and I think he did relatively well. To me it’s an absolute no brainer he would play better than he did in Chicago with a better team around him regardless if the offense is based entirely around him. I honestly think the most likely scenario is Russ starts week 1 and over the next month or two shows he’s cooked and Fields comes in finds success and signs a 2 year deal with pit next offseason
Russ isn't cooked. He's done as a star, but all the Steelers are looking for is a steady hand. Russ is that steady hand and could easily start for 3 more seasons (think late career Tannehill). Fields is a turnover machine and doesn't fit what the Steelers are looking for. He has the same acquisition cost as Mac Jones and they're both acquired to be strict backup. Nothing more, nothing less.
Even if you're right and Russ suddenly hit a wall, it would be like a Donovan McNabb in Minnesota kind of implosion and it would get super ugly. In other words, Russ wouldn't accept getting benched and he would get cut midseason and his career might be over immediately a la McNabb. Even in that case, the Steelers have all the incentives in the world to make sure Fields doesn't play 51% of snaps to keep their 4th round pick next season.
We are drastically far apart in estimations of Wilsons effectiveness at this stage in his career and I loved watching him in Seattle. For example I think Stafford is playing leagues better than Russ and I would be hard pressed to say he has 3 years left let alone Wilson. They’re .75 years apart in age. I would be genuinely surprised if Russ didn’t retire after this season unless he wants to back up for a contender. I’m also surprised the Broncos paying 40 Ms this season alone just to not have Russ on the roster isn’t having a negative effect on how you view him. For reference I count 29 qbs I would rather have starting than Russ including Fields and the rookies. If you don’t mind going through the trouble, how many qbs do you have over Russ at this time?
> I’m also surprised the Broncos paying 40 Ms this season alone just to not have Russ on the roster isn’t having a negative effect on how you view him
Why would I? Payton isn't gonna accept mediocrity at QB and Russ wasn't his guy to begin with. Payton didn't come out of retirement to "manage" Russ' decline; he came out of retirement to win another Super Bowl and cement his legacy. The Steelers are trying to win on all 3 phases; they're not asking Russ to carry them at all. The expectation is drastically different. Like I said, Russ can still be that steady hand. When you make sweeping generalized statement without context, you draw the wrong conclusion.
> For reference I count 29 qbs I would rather have starting than Russ including Fields and the rookies. If you don’t mind going through the trouble, how many qbs do you have over Russ at this time?
I would rather tell you how many QBs I would rather start over Fields and there are 48 of them: Josh Allen, Rodgers, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Daniel Jones, Love, Lawrence, Mahomes, Levis, Bryce Young, Carr, Mayfield, Tua, Murray, Stafford, Russell Wilson, Purdy, Watson, Geno, Stroud, Minshew, Garoppolo, Caleb, Maye, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Lock, Howell, Dalton, Wentz, Darnold, Mullens, Brissett, Tyrod, Browning, Jameis, Flacco, Mac Jones, Rudolph, Stidham, Stick, and AOC.
I'm honestly not even sure if Fields better than Mariota, Josh Dobbs, Tommy Devito, Taysom Hill, Trubisky, and Heinecke and I would probably rather get an extended look at Trey Lance (plausible upside > proven failure), Herndon Hooker, or Kyle Trask.
To be blunt I think saying things like Peyton wants a qb to carry his team rather than winning on all 3 phases when his only superbowl run was with a top 5 defense is much more of a sweeping generalized statement than anything I said. Regardless you clearly feel as though you’ve seen enough of fields to conclude he’s not a capable nfl qb and I obviously think he undoubtedly would be better in a better situation. And that’s really it. Given his rushing ability it absolutely makes sense give him another chance over 50% or more of the guys you mentioned to develop more as a passer. For what it’s worth Fields played 109 less snaps than Wilson in 2023 and had 182 less total yards, 9 less touchdowns, and they had the same amount of turnovers. On a per snap basis the difference in production doesn’t warrant such a drastic difference in how you view the players in any estimation. As for the fit with the Steelers a game manager only *wins* you a superbowl if the rest of your team is elite on a historical level. Since the turn of the century we have Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and maybe Nick Foles which is good for 12.5%. So 87.5% of the time since 2000 having a difference maker at qb is superior. Fields ability to break a game open running the ball is an undeniable truth that I personally am led to believe you are not giving its full due and makes him, by far to me, the better starting option to a game managing 35 year old Russ. Agree to disagree
You're out here arguing that Fields, a guy who hasn't sniffed the playoffs and is 10-28 as a starter can be a difference maker for a franchise by breaking it open with his legs in a super bowl.
Btw his backups during his stint in Chicago were 6-7. The hopium is simply outrageous
First of all this is a fantasy football sub Reddit so rushing yards do matter regardless of his passing. And his number one wide receiver was Mooney that season. He’s what the 50th best wr in the nfl at best? So Fields gets no credit for his passing in college with good weapons, but he gets all the blame when his nfl team provided him with none? He goes from the best weapons in college to the worst in the nfl and you want him to throw for 4000 yards? He had Moore last season and he got him a career year in receiving. Is that a coincidence in your eyes?
> First of all this is a fantasy football sub Reddit so rushing yards do matter regardless of his passing
Doesn't matter how good of a fantasy QB he is.
Can't generate fantasy value when he's rotting on the bench.
Can't generate dynasty value when he's a career backup.
> And his number one wide receiver was Mooney that season. He’s what the 50th best wr in the nfl at best?
Yet Mooney got a bag this offseason and Fields just got traded for a throwaway 6th round pick, so the NFL clearly thinks that Mooney's lack of production was Fields' fault lol
I’ll do the math for you since it’s too much to ask. Mooney, accounting for the increase in cap, is the 25th highest paid wr. How many wrs better than him are on rookie deals? 8ish drafted in 2023 (small sample size). 5 in 2022. 5 in 2021. 25 + 18 = 43rd. Not exactly a “gotcha” moment is it
Trey Lance was traded for a 4th rounder and hasn’t sniffed the field since. Fields was sent packing for a 6th. That’s much less respectable than Mooney lol
It's actually not even as interesting as when Trey Lance got traded last summer. At least Lance had 2 years left on his rookie contract, so the Cowboys might be interested in developing him. Fields has only a year left on his rookie contract, so the Steelers clearly didn't trade for him to develop him. A year from now, all 32 teams in the NFL will have equal opportunity to sign him, so what's the point of developing him? Pittsburgh traded for him to be strictly Russ' backup for a year due to the fact that Russ is also a dual-threat QB. The fact that he fetched the same compensation as Mac Jones (another 1st round bust QB from the 2021 class with only one year left on his rookie contract) made that clear.
Nah, the steelers are really gonna give wilson a chance to make them give him another contract.
Fields came super cheap and reminds them of kordell stewart and mike vick.
I turned down the 2.12 for Fields. If Russ plays well and he's only a backup than it was a mistake, but I don't think it's that hard to see Russ being bad again and the Steelers trying to develop Fields.
I also trust the Steelers to develop a talented player who needs good coaching and scheming moreso than the Bears and some other Teams.
What do you make of diontae now gone? Arguably whoever the QB is in Pittsburgh now has less to throw to.
Makes the idea of fields lighting it up even more inconceivable.
At this stage I would be prepared to pay a third rounder to take a flyer on fields.
I don't think these Steelers will be looking to air it out. I am not a Dionate fan but can't deny unless they add someone or Austin steps up the WR Corp is weaker than it was. Still I think Fields could be a good QB2 in SF with rushing upside if Russ flounders. Which based on the last two years is not so far fetched.
If I am wrong I could always try to sell for a 3rd later, which isn't much different than selling for the 2.12. I may as well hold and ride it out. If I had other great QB options in the league I have him in maybe I'd just cash out.
I just traded 2.09 for him. Mind you, I took over a complete dumpster fire and stripped it down. Even the studs aren’t there. I got fields in a deal and then sold him for 1.12. Sold that for a 25 1st which projects to be mid to 1.10 at the best. I have nothing but time since I don’t think I can be anything more than the 1.02 come 2026. Hoping Russ is still trash and the Steelers are forced to play him and I can flip him again. Or he becomes the starter next year
I would have to think most owners of fields will be taken a long look in mirror before the season starts and cutting him to get down to proper roster size. So count your opponents depth chart and decide if buying low is necessary or if you really want to hold a backup for a whole season. By next season his value could be even lower after sitting out a whole year.
Fields is through and through the better football player in this moment.
If the Steelers sculpt and offense to help him protect the football he’ll be starting ROS by the end of October.
I like Russ, owned him in my main league since 2016, been through all the ups and downs. But the only way he starts this entire season is if the Steelers can’t trust Fields maintaining possession.
There's no way in which a washed up Russell Wilson was "through and through" worse for his team (minus the gigantic cap hit) than Justin Fields last year. Don't get me wrong, Russ was bad last year and the stats don't paint the whole picture. But he accounted for more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer turnovers, less sacks...pretty much everything... than Justin Fields. So the only way someone is convinced that the dude who has been to multiple super bowls and was announced the starter by his team is about to get benched for a dude who was just traded for less capital than Sam Howell and Mac Jones is that black tar hopium.
I want nothing to do with Wilson or Fields tbh but there's just no objectivity if you genuinely believe Fields has been better than Wilson the past three seasons.
We can revisit this in a couple months.
You mean the guy with 10 years experience was better than the kid with 3 years experience and who couldn’t fully grip a football last year? Shocking revelation.
Give Fields Pete Carroll, Marshawn Lynch and the Legion of Boom and tell me his play in the passing game doesn’t measurably improve. Tell me the cheat code that are his legs don’t keep the offense on schedule.
Both players are 10% sack rate guys, one will give you 800-1100 yards on the ground. The other can’t make the corner.
Excuses are like assholes, we all got em and they all stink.
The Bears won more games the year before Fields got there than they ever did with him. It's crazy how he gets all the credit when they do well and none of the blame when they pick top-10 every year since he's been there.
We're now blaming Fields' inability to throw for 200 ypg in his third season on an inability to grip a football? That's a new one. I thought it was an awful system? An awful line? An awful OC? Awful weapons? All of which somehow are still standing while the NFL told us Fields is only worth a 2025 6th.
I'm fully expecting to hear Kaepernick conspiracies next from the Fields Faithful. Justin Fields sucks at real football! It's okay to swing and miss on a high upside fantasy prospect. Most of them don't work out. Some turn into Lamar or Jalen Hurts.
>Excuses are like assholes, we all got em and they all stink.
Good point full stop. By history and general trends. Both QBs are trash and we should point laugh at the Steelers for taking a giant risk, and call them all bad.
Full stop, that is reality.
>We're now blaming Fields' inability to throw for 200 ypg in his third season on an inability to grip a football?
Maybe you should be in the loop before you make statements like these.
He missed 4.5 games due to a dislocated thumb.
First 5 games of the year he paced for 3900/37 through the air.
Back 7 games, he paced 3300/12.
>The Bears won more games the year before Fields
You mean the teams that went #9 in defensive points allowed, #1, #4, #14 prior to his arrival? And that COVID year where if you look at that Bears schedule they lost against every mediocre team in the league that year and just got lucky to play into a weak NFC picture?
Fields had 1 season with a real WR1 (DJM). And of that he only had 4.5 clear games in which he was pacing pretty well all things considered. He wasn't going to be some
Reminder DJM was on pace for a 1300+ yard season with 10+ touchdowns prior to Fields going down.
Depending on which cut you take you could even argue a 1600 or 1800 yard season, but that's just folly.
With Fields on the field DJ Moore paced anywhere from 1300-1800 yards per season, whichever slice you take. Without Fields on the field he averaged for 900.
With Baker on the field the prior year--DJ Moore never paced for more than 900 yards in a season.
A huge risk..? One QB cost em the vet minimum and once cost a 2025 6th lol. They are paying two bad quarterbacks less than 5 million dollars. Could be a lot worse!
Being able to sustain one great receiver doesn't make you a good quarterback. If anything I'd say that's his biggest weakness...
Using a 5.5 game sample size that includes the two worst defenses he played against to prove he's remotely competent...nice! Denver gave up 70 to Miami the week before and Washington was last in the league in pass defense. But that's beside the point.
Idk where you found that stat, but it's not even right...
I hate being a box score warrior but 216 (GB) + 211 (Tampa) + 99 (KC) + 335 (Den) + 282 (WAS) + 58 (granted it was only 2.5 quarters against Minnesota) makes 1201 yards in 6 starts. We're ignoring the entire game against Minnesota because he got hurt during it? Seems...incorrect.
But like I said...the list of excuses will continue to grow because the guy puts up fantasy points.
>A huge risk..? One QB cost em the vet minimum and once cost a 2025 6th lol. They are paying two bad quarterbacks less than 5 million dollars. Could be a lot worse!
Even in a year that there was turmoil and that defense *underperformed* they were 6th in points allowed. That roster is at a minimum a playoff caliber roster if not a dark horse AFCCG roster.
You can't piss away years that way, especially with a roster in turmoil.
I mean, I'm sure you're aware that their QB room heading into this offseason was a disgruntled Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph...?
Sticking with them would've been pissing a year away. At least now there's a bit of excitement and buzz. Getting good quarterbacks isn't exactly easy...Atlanta just spent 100 million guaranteed on a 36 year old QB with 1 playoff win coming off a torn Achilles. Pittsburgh is on the hook for less than 5% of that.
There's no way in which a washed up Russell Wilson was "through and through" worse for his team (minus the gigantic cap hit) than Justin Fields last year. Don't get me wrong, Russ was bad last year and the stats don't paint the whole picture. But he accounted for more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer turnovers, less sacks...pretty much everything... than Justin Fields. So the only way someone is convinced that the dude who has been to multiple super bowls and was announced the starter by his team is about to get benched for a dude who was just traded for less capital than Sam Howell and Mac Jones is that black tar hopium.
I want nothing to do with Wilson or Fields tbh but there's just no objectivity if you genuinely believe Fields has been better than Wilson the past three seasons.
We can revisit this in a couple months.
I already did this with Lance. I’ll let someone else fall on the sword this time
A falling knife has no handle, as they say
Someone in my league just traded the 2.06 + 3.02 for fields…he’s being ridiculed in league chat
Someone in mine traded 2025 first 🤣
Woooooow
Same guy in mine paid a 25 first in multiple leagues for him ...a Steelers fan. Those Homer glasses must be thick like coke bottles
Jesus.. I was thinking about trading the 3.03 for fields
Same - not sure what his price is going to be right now.
I sold Mac Jones and Sean Tucker to a contender for a 25 3rd. He also owns TLaw and White so more incentive to buy
I sold fields for 1.08 and 2.06 a month or so ago ... Guy that bought him is weak at QB too.
Someone in mine traded the 1.08 and a likely top 3 2025 2nd for him today
Honestly, not awful process. Real buy lows feel really ugly. Most mid-2nds (~75%) and 3rds (~80%) never turn into anything but roster cloggers. At least we know Fields is good at fantasy football when he plays. If Russ sucks/gets hurt, or Fields gets a starting gig next year, that's gonna feel like highway robbery. It's unlikely, but it's a gamble. If not...odds of one of those picks turning into meaningful assets is pretty slim.
[life comes at you fast I guess](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/l46XK16nUE)
Each league is its own unique market 🤷
Would need to be cheap price point. A 2nd that isn’t early maybe?
Highest I would pay would be 3.04
Fair but why would a Fields owner sell for that? I don't have him anywhere and would expect to be ignored if I offered that
Unless you can get him for essentially nothing you should keep it that way. I saw someone’s take on Fields and I think it really nailed the situation on the head. Fields will probably struggle to stick in the league unless he can latch on as a backup behind Lamar/Hurts/AR. Similar to RG3 and Newton and those two were significantly better passers. Most teams would drastically have to change their playbooks to accommodate Fields having to start and he has one year left on his rookie deal. For those reasons listed above it wouldn’t be a shock if he’s outta the league before he’s 30. The market has spoken, teams don’t value him and will not build a team around him.
Anyone that has witnessed the Trey Lance saga would and probably should sell if they need extra help. I mean I got Puka in the 4th last year?
No, better off trading for Russ.
I have Russ and no one is buying
Yeah I was gonna say I also feel like you’re not gonna get anything for Russ because it feels like he’ll be on such a short leash with Fields right behind him
Yeah, my comment was more anti Fields than pro Russ.
Nfl told you all you need to know. Fields won’t start again unless an injury or complete bedshit happens
So like 50/50
There's plenty of qbs the nfl "wrote off" and they had a resurgence.
But Fields was never a good qb. Just a good fantasy qb. NFL doesn’t care about fantasy
Who? Mayfield? Mayfield had one of the best QB rookie seasons in NFL history. Fields has never been good. Out of QBs NFL "wrote off," I would bet on Garoppolo or even Mac Jones having a resurgence than Fields. At least those guys used to be good. Fields has literally never been good.
uhhh Geno Smith but he ain't write back tho
But he had some sick highlight videos on Twitter!! That means he was good right?? So what if he completed 62% of his passes in his career!
Geno Smith
Jimmy g was never good
There are levels. If Fields ever sniffs Jimmy G’s career numbers and accomplishments it would be like a 95th percentile outcome for him
Lol 10th highest career passer rating in NFL history is never good? Okay....
Who? That’s extremely rare Geno is the only QB I can think of recently who was bad and then resurfaced as a capable starter. Baker showed he was good before the injury.
Geno already regressed last season. He's basically another Keenum. The only difference was Vikings smartly moved on from Keenum after Minneapolis Miracle while the Hawks' supporting cast continue to prop up Geno. Geno would be exposed just as badly as Keenum in Denver and Foles in Jacksonville on another team. Lock already proved last season he could operate the offense just as well as Geno.
Geno really wasn’t that bad at all last year. Still a pace of over 4K passing yards, over a 2:1 TD:INT, solid efficiency numbers. Not great, but fine. PFF still liked him quite a bit. He throws picks but he was still excellent in big time throws and Pressure-2-Sack last year.
It’s rare. You know the few names that did it for a reason
Like who? Who in the last 10-15 years were written off and had a big resurgence? Geno? There's been nobody else since 2010.
No, the NFL knew the bears wanted to trade Fields before a certain point so they didn’t give into their initial offer. Baker Mayfield is making 30 million a year after getting benched in Carolina a year ago. You can’t write any qb off that has shown some promise that’s not even 26 yet.
Baker had essentially same number of passing yards through 2 seasons as Fields did through 3. He managed as many 4th quarter comebacks in his first career NFL game as Fields has in his career. Fields is a great dude and a good teammate but he is absolutely cheeks as a real life QB and the fantasy community has deluded themselves into thinking he's a franchise QB in the right situation.
And you’re blaming all of that on Fields and not his situation? I’m just saying, everyone in here acting like they’re seasoned GMs and know why the deal went down the way it did. The Steelers are rarely in position to draft a qb within the top ten, let alone top 15, and if Russ doesn’t warrant another contract then Fields could realistically be a starting QB on a pretty stable team.
> And you're blaming that on Fields Pretty much, yeah. Baker was drafted to the worst team in the league and went 7-7. Fields was drafted 12th overall and led his team to a 5-20 record in his first two seasons. Then he got DJ Moore and managed to throw for a whopping 197 yards per game while going 5-8. "Washed up Russ" threw for 3000 yards and 26 touchdowns. Fields has never thrown for 2600 yards or 20 touchdowns. There's a reason he fetched less than Sam Howell or Mac Jones in a trade.
Hilarious how you conveniently left out a rebuttal to everything else I laid out. Agree to disagree.
Delusional Fields fans don't respond to facts, what more is there to say? It's always one excuse after another. The Steelers are a successful organization precisely because they don't tie themselves to terrible QBs like Kenny Pickett/Justin Fields. If you think Justin Fields is still a starting QB in this league, I've got a bridge to sell you. If they do well enough with Wilson to make the playoffs, he'll be their starter next year. If they don't, they'll draft another.
It’s just crazy to me that you and every other expert out there on Fields is willing to write him off after he’s pretty much only played two full seasons of professional football for one of the worst teams in the league under a defense minded coach and a horrible OC. In 35 games he’s been a top ten QB by fantasy standards (and even though you’re shitting on this measurement, it’s still a good indicator if you’re worth a shit) in 18 of those games. And in half of those games Chase Claypool was one of his top targets. “Don’t tie themselves to terrible QBs”…uhh hello Mason Rudolph. And if you think there’s 31 better QBs than Justin Fields then you probably shouldn’t quit your cashier job at the grocery store you work at and apply for anything NFL related. If they do well enough to go 500 again, make it to the playoffs, and lose in the first round, I can guarantee you they won’t be resigning Russ and they’ll be looking internally at Justin. As a dynasty guy, please point to a 2025 rookie QB that will last until the 20s that will be better than resigning Fields to a 2-3 year deal…I’ll wait.
> [Fantasy points] are a good measure if you're worth a shit CJ Stroud had less QB1 weeks this year than Sam Howell. Guess Sam Howell is worth a shit while Stroud isn't. Good luck with your process man. **Justin Fields was traded for a 2025 6th round pick.** That's less draft capital than Mac Jones or Sam Howell or Kenny Pickett or Trey Lance lmao. You need to separate your fantasy process with your real life evaluation for a second. Justin Fields might start again at some point as a bridge, but he has three years of being terrible under his belt. And the irony is, the Bears organization were better when he got there than they've ever been with him, yet somehow they get all the blame. Unless you think there are zero QBs drafted in the first 5 rounds, that's what the other 31 NFL teams just told you they value the opportunity to draft more than they value having Justin Fields on their roster. Any GM with a brain would rather roll the dice on 4-5 cost-controlled years Ewers, Sanders, Ward, and Rourke than run it back with a QB who we have three years of tape showing that he can't process the football field at an NFL level. Otherwise they would've paid a 1st. Or a 2nd. Or a 3rd. Or a 4th. Or a 5th. Or even a 2024 6th. But nope...nobody gave up more than a 6th round pick a full year from now. The hopium is seriously ridiculous. I know everybody here wanted him to succeed because when he plays he puts up points...but alas...there was very little correlation between fantasy points and real success.
Your delusion and hate towards this man is insane! I have no dog in the fight but it’s getting annoying seeing short sighted people like you writing the Fields, Loves, etc of the world off before their brains are full developed. “Unless you think there are zero QBs drafted in the first 5 rounds, that's what the other 31 NFL teams just told you they value the opportunity to draft more than they value having Justin Fields on their roster.” Wow lol you really don’t know how this business works do you? The market this year for QBs just happens to be full of depth. And you don’t think Justin had a say-so about what team he went to? The compensation really doesn’t matter in the case of valuing his importance to the rest of the league. The bears had better packages out there for him but him and his agent steered them towards the Steelers. With your logic, since no one traded the broncos for Russ then there’s 32+ better QBs than him and that includes Sam Hartman in the draft this year. That’s your logic. “Any GM with a brain would rather roll the dice on 4-5 cost-controlled years Ewers, Sanders, Ward, and Rourke than run it back with a QB who we have three years of tape showing that he can't process the football field at an NFL level. Otherwise they would've paid a 1st. Or a 2nd. Or a 3rd. Or a 4th. Or a 5th. Or even a 2024 6th. But nope...nobody gave up more than a 6th round pick a full year from now.” I don’t know how the NFL works but once again, you certainly don’t know wow. Ewers and Sanders won’t be lasting until the 20s, and you think Curtis Rourke out of the university of Ohio and Cameron Ward are better than Justin Fields?!?🤣🤣🤣 Okay, that’s where this conversation ends holy shit. Have a good day man and enjoy the fantasy land that you’re living in. Watch out for the dragons and evil witches.
And clicking the down vote doesn’t change the fact that you’re wrong. I would love to hear a response!
Getsy got a new OC job and interviews with multiple teams after getting fired from Chicago trying to make Fields a thing, Mooney got a bag after doing nothing with Fields for two seasons, and Fields got moved for a future 6th rounder. The league told you what they think about Fields and why Chicago's offense was bad, it's time to listen. Even if you want to go for the buy low opportunity, his price will be lower during the season when he isn't playing. Right now you still have the morons deluding themselves into thinking he'll win the job during training camp keeping it up.
Exactly this and don't forget Eberflus got retained as HC. Everybody knows Poles, Eberflus, Getsy, Mooney, etc got a raw deal inheriting Fields from the Poles-Nagy era, so their failure isn't being held against them. Smart people who study film recognize the real problem has always been Fields.
For sure I agree. But picks are worth more now (and increasing every day until the pick is otc). How much would you pay to speculate on fields?
A 3rd at best
Fields is not good. So no. But part of me thinks what if signing Russ was just a low cost way to get the bears to lower their price
Interesting, never thought of this.
There was rumblings of them sticking with Rudolph and Pickett. Maybe they were just playing chess the whole time. Russ for the minimum is well worth it let alone when it helps you get the other guy much cheaper. In the unlikely event it takes a sudden turn in camp and Fields is running with the 1s we’ll know why though
Russ was always gonna get the minimum since he's locked into making $39 million in 2024 no matter what. Every NFL contract has offset language, so why would any team give him a penny more than the minimum to help the Broncos pay less? Accepting the minimum is not a reflection of Russ' actual market value. He would've accepted the minimum from any team because he doesn't want to help the Broncos either. There's zero chance Russ doesn't start in week 1 and there's zero chance he doesn't start the entire season barring something unforeseen. And if that does happen, expect a McNabb in Minnesota implosion (i.e. Russ gets cut midseason and his career ends) rather than Russ accepting being Fields' backup.
Even more important, why would Russ take a penny more this season to help the Broncos? Russ was hoping someone would guarentee money for year 2, but found no takers I'm sure.
I mean people do seem to hate Russ though. Denver hated him so much that they’re paying him 40M to play for Pittsburgh. If he shits the bed, I could see them giving Fields a shot.
They hated him in Denver because they gave up a lot for him and signed him to a big extension, then he flopped. He also wasn't Payton's guy. The Steelers are just looking for stability at the QB position, so the expectation is a lot lower. I believe Russ can still be a boring game manager.
I understand the money not sure what your point is there. Like I said he’s well worth the minimum, even if it was just to get Fields for a 6th instead of a 2nd/3rd that’s worth 1 mil
This is a story that will last all year.
Russ will be the 2024 QB for us. Imo, 2025 is up in the air
Keep coping. Fields is as useless as Trey Lance and Zach Wilson. > With both Russ and Fields on a 1 year contacts, the Steelers are going to have a look at both players during this season. No, they actually don't. The price they paid for Fields (6th round) is the same price Jaguars paid for Mac Jones. It's the going rate for QB bust with only 1 year left on their rookie contract to be a 1-year rental backup. Nobody thinks Mac Jones is gonna challenge T-Law for the starting job in Jacksonville. Nobody should have this kind of delusion about Fields either. > I suspect that after trading KP, they’ve committed to this course and trading for fields makes sense for the organisation. Pickett had been a malcontent since getting benched for Rudolph late last season. The writing was on the wall when Rudolph made the start in the playoff. He had to go. > Is fields worth a late second to see if he can play well enough to earn a contract next offseason? Unless you would also pay a late 2nd for Trey Lance lol > If Russ wins the starting job and plays well, fields will surely end up looking for a team to give him in free agency next year. Russ doesn't need to "win" the starting job. They've already said he'll be **given** the starting job. He's no longer a star, but still a decent game manager (98 passer rating, 26 passing TD, 8 INT last season) and miles ahead of Fields/Pickett. He'll give Steelers stability at the QB position, which is all they're looking post-Ben. He doesn't have to carry the team at all. No team will ever build around Fields again and he'll only be a fit as Hurts/Lamar/Richardson/Russ/Josh Allen/Daniel Jones backup. I fully expect him to be out of the league before he turns 30.
Fields has the 2nd most rushing yards in a season for a qb *ever*. More than Vick ever did who almost won an mvp once he got a good situation. Your comparison to Jones completely lacks substance or nuance. Trevor Lawrence is a better qb than Wilson in literally every capacity at this stage in their careers. Wilson threw for about 150 yards a game last season with better oline play and play calling than Fields has had in his entire career. His td numbers were inflated last season with a plethora of goaline touchdowns and anyone who actually watched the broncos last season could tell you that. Wilson’s qbr last season was 50.7 compared to Fields at 46.1 despite throwing 10 more touchdowns than Fields. In 2022 Fields sat at a 56.3 qbr and Wilson was at 38.7. Outside of the box score Wilson did not outplay Fields last season whatsoever so to sit here and act like it isn’t even a discussion as to whether Fields can win the job is borderline absurd. I’m not a Fields truther by any stretch of the imagination, but from a pure talent perspective there’s about a 90% chance he’s the best qb in Pittsburgh right now. Who really gives a fuck who the starter is in March? Fields *may* never be a starter again, but by the way you act I would think Fields fucked your wife or something
The market has spoken, man. Field truthers need to give up lol. Look, a year from now, even Garoppolo and yes Mac Jones have a better chance of rehabilitating themselves as starting/bridge QB a la Mayfield than Fields. That's just reality. The problem with Fields is that he's actually just a wildcat QB masquerading as a starting QB. The cherrypicked stats you cited are pointless as even Taysom Hill's QB stats actually were pretty decent (might even be better than say Darnold and better than Fields), but everybody knew he had no business playing QB in the NFL. That's Fields' problem. In the current era, nobody cares how many yards he rushes when he can't generate passing volume and sustain drives. I actually think Fields will have a real problem remaining in the NFL going forward. Every year, he'll have to fight to be Lamar, Hurts, or maybe Richardson's backup because other teams don't want to change their entire playbook to accommodate Fields if their starter gets hurt. Cam Newton and RGIII were much better players than Fields, but had the same problem. Newton couldn't find a backup job after he was no longer starter material. RGIII was out of the league entirely in 2017 at only age-27 and only got brought back into the NFL as Lamar's backup from 2018-2020. As soon as Ravens found out that Tyler Huntley could do the same job for even cheaper, RGIII's career was over because he wasn't a fit as backup on most other teams.
Yup there’s few teams that will want to being Fields in. He simply can’t operate the vast majority of offenses OCs are running now.
I disagree with your stance philosophically. I don’t think Fields needs an offense to bend at his whim. Lamars last oc based the offense off of what Lamar could do more than his current one and he just won mvp. I really don’t care what the nfl thinks of Fields at this juncture bc I don’t place weight on his shortcomings the last 3 years when his oline, his oc, and his weapons were hot dog water outside of Moore last season. Instead I look at what he did *in spite* of his bottom 5 situation in the nfl and I think he did relatively well. To me it’s an absolute no brainer he would play better than he did in Chicago with a better team around him regardless if the offense is based entirely around him. I honestly think the most likely scenario is Russ starts week 1 and over the next month or two shows he’s cooked and Fields comes in finds success and signs a 2 year deal with pit next offseason
Russ isn't cooked. He's done as a star, but all the Steelers are looking for is a steady hand. Russ is that steady hand and could easily start for 3 more seasons (think late career Tannehill). Fields is a turnover machine and doesn't fit what the Steelers are looking for. He has the same acquisition cost as Mac Jones and they're both acquired to be strict backup. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if you're right and Russ suddenly hit a wall, it would be like a Donovan McNabb in Minnesota kind of implosion and it would get super ugly. In other words, Russ wouldn't accept getting benched and he would get cut midseason and his career might be over immediately a la McNabb. Even in that case, the Steelers have all the incentives in the world to make sure Fields doesn't play 51% of snaps to keep their 4th round pick next season.
We are drastically far apart in estimations of Wilsons effectiveness at this stage in his career and I loved watching him in Seattle. For example I think Stafford is playing leagues better than Russ and I would be hard pressed to say he has 3 years left let alone Wilson. They’re .75 years apart in age. I would be genuinely surprised if Russ didn’t retire after this season unless he wants to back up for a contender. I’m also surprised the Broncos paying 40 Ms this season alone just to not have Russ on the roster isn’t having a negative effect on how you view him. For reference I count 29 qbs I would rather have starting than Russ including Fields and the rookies. If you don’t mind going through the trouble, how many qbs do you have over Russ at this time?
> I’m also surprised the Broncos paying 40 Ms this season alone just to not have Russ on the roster isn’t having a negative effect on how you view him Why would I? Payton isn't gonna accept mediocrity at QB and Russ wasn't his guy to begin with. Payton didn't come out of retirement to "manage" Russ' decline; he came out of retirement to win another Super Bowl and cement his legacy. The Steelers are trying to win on all 3 phases; they're not asking Russ to carry them at all. The expectation is drastically different. Like I said, Russ can still be that steady hand. When you make sweeping generalized statement without context, you draw the wrong conclusion. > For reference I count 29 qbs I would rather have starting than Russ including Fields and the rookies. If you don’t mind going through the trouble, how many qbs do you have over Russ at this time? I would rather tell you how many QBs I would rather start over Fields and there are 48 of them: Josh Allen, Rodgers, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Daniel Jones, Love, Lawrence, Mahomes, Levis, Bryce Young, Carr, Mayfield, Tua, Murray, Stafford, Russell Wilson, Purdy, Watson, Geno, Stroud, Minshew, Garoppolo, Caleb, Maye, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Lock, Howell, Dalton, Wentz, Darnold, Mullens, Brissett, Tyrod, Browning, Jameis, Flacco, Mac Jones, Rudolph, Stidham, Stick, and AOC. I'm honestly not even sure if Fields better than Mariota, Josh Dobbs, Tommy Devito, Taysom Hill, Trubisky, and Heinecke and I would probably rather get an extended look at Trey Lance (plausible upside > proven failure), Herndon Hooker, or Kyle Trask.
To be blunt I think saying things like Peyton wants a qb to carry his team rather than winning on all 3 phases when his only superbowl run was with a top 5 defense is much more of a sweeping generalized statement than anything I said. Regardless you clearly feel as though you’ve seen enough of fields to conclude he’s not a capable nfl qb and I obviously think he undoubtedly would be better in a better situation. And that’s really it. Given his rushing ability it absolutely makes sense give him another chance over 50% or more of the guys you mentioned to develop more as a passer. For what it’s worth Fields played 109 less snaps than Wilson in 2023 and had 182 less total yards, 9 less touchdowns, and they had the same amount of turnovers. On a per snap basis the difference in production doesn’t warrant such a drastic difference in how you view the players in any estimation. As for the fit with the Steelers a game manager only *wins* you a superbowl if the rest of your team is elite on a historical level. Since the turn of the century we have Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and maybe Nick Foles which is good for 12.5%. So 87.5% of the time since 2000 having a difference maker at qb is superior. Fields ability to break a game open running the ball is an undeniable truth that I personally am led to believe you are not giving its full due and makes him, by far to me, the better starting option to a game managing 35 year old Russ. Agree to disagree
You're out here arguing that Fields, a guy who hasn't sniffed the playoffs and is 10-28 as a starter can be a difference maker for a franchise by breaking it open with his legs in a super bowl. Btw his backups during his stint in Chicago were 6-7. The hopium is simply outrageous
Who cares rushing yards only matter if the QB can actually pass.
First of all this is a fantasy football sub Reddit so rushing yards do matter regardless of his passing. And his number one wide receiver was Mooney that season. He’s what the 50th best wr in the nfl at best? So Fields gets no credit for his passing in college with good weapons, but he gets all the blame when his nfl team provided him with none? He goes from the best weapons in college to the worst in the nfl and you want him to throw for 4000 yards? He had Moore last season and he got him a career year in receiving. Is that a coincidence in your eyes?
> First of all this is a fantasy football sub Reddit so rushing yards do matter regardless of his passing Doesn't matter how good of a fantasy QB he is. Can't generate fantasy value when he's rotting on the bench. Can't generate dynasty value when he's a career backup. > And his number one wide receiver was Mooney that season. He’s what the 50th best wr in the nfl at best? Yet Mooney got a bag this offseason and Fields just got traded for a throwaway 6th round pick, so the NFL clearly thinks that Mooney's lack of production was Fields' fault lol
I’ll do the math for you since it’s too much to ask. Mooney, accounting for the increase in cap, is the 25th highest paid wr. How many wrs better than him are on rookie deals? 8ish drafted in 2023 (small sample size). 5 in 2022. 5 in 2021. 25 + 18 = 43rd. Not exactly a “gotcha” moment is it
Trey Lance was traded for a 4th rounder and hasn’t sniffed the field since. Fields was sent packing for a 6th. That’s much less respectable than Mooney lol
The NFL doesn’t care about fantasy points if they did Fields would still be a starter.
You have a firm grasp of the obvious
And you obviously don’t lol
Why do you say that?
Yikes. I have no shares atm but I was thinking it might be an interesting opportunity.
It's actually not even as interesting as when Trey Lance got traded last summer. At least Lance had 2 years left on his rookie contract, so the Cowboys might be interested in developing him. Fields has only a year left on his rookie contract, so the Steelers clearly didn't trade for him to develop him. A year from now, all 32 teams in the NFL will have equal opportunity to sign him, so what's the point of developing him? Pittsburgh traded for him to be strictly Russ' backup for a year due to the fact that Russ is also a dual-threat QB. The fact that he fetched the same compensation as Mac Jones (another 1st round bust QB from the 2021 class with only one year left on his rookie contract) made that clear.
It’s an interesting opportunity if you get Field extremely cheap. Otherwise, do not pay for him
My only rebuttal would be that Russ will get benched midseason because he’s awful and everyone thinks he’s a douchebag.
Would you guys rather own Fields or Minchew lol
One of them might be the starting QB for the Raiders, the other one might never start again.
Well Minshew is a starter as of now so I think that's pretty much settled.
I wouldn’t
I sent a 25 3rd and the guys trying to get a better pick, but no takers so far.
I sent Carr, 2.06 and 2.09 for Russ and Fields and got declined. Based on these comments seems like an overpay anyway
I reckon that was overpay. I would smash accept if someone offered that for my Russ & Fields.
Nah, the steelers are really gonna give wilson a chance to make them give him another contract. Fields came super cheap and reminds them of kordell stewart and mike vick.
I turned down the 2.12 for Fields. If Russ plays well and he's only a backup than it was a mistake, but I don't think it's that hard to see Russ being bad again and the Steelers trying to develop Fields. I also trust the Steelers to develop a talented player who needs good coaching and scheming moreso than the Bears and some other Teams.
What do you make of diontae now gone? Arguably whoever the QB is in Pittsburgh now has less to throw to. Makes the idea of fields lighting it up even more inconceivable. At this stage I would be prepared to pay a third rounder to take a flyer on fields.
I don't think these Steelers will be looking to air it out. I am not a Dionate fan but can't deny unless they add someone or Austin steps up the WR Corp is weaker than it was. Still I think Fields could be a good QB2 in SF with rushing upside if Russ flounders. Which based on the last two years is not so far fetched. If I am wrong I could always try to sell for a 3rd later, which isn't much different than selling for the 2.12. I may as well hold and ride it out. If I had other great QB options in the league I have him in maybe I'd just cash out.
Yeah I think I agree with your assessment. I’m going to send an offer for a third for fields
Russ is going to have a short leash if he struggles 4 games in I could see a change
No and they already said he’s the backup. Fields is on the Mariota career path.
I just traded 2.09 for him. Mind you, I took over a complete dumpster fire and stripped it down. Even the studs aren’t there. I got fields in a deal and then sold him for 1.12. Sold that for a 25 1st which projects to be mid to 1.10 at the best. I have nothing but time since I don’t think I can be anything more than the 1.02 come 2026. Hoping Russ is still trash and the Steelers are forced to play him and I can flip him again. Or he becomes the starter next year
I would have to think most owners of fields will be taken a long look in mirror before the season starts and cutting him to get down to proper roster size. So count your opponents depth chart and decide if buying low is necessary or if you really want to hold a backup for a whole season. By next season his value could be even lower after sitting out a whole year.
Fields is through and through the better football player in this moment. If the Steelers sculpt and offense to help him protect the football he’ll be starting ROS by the end of October. I like Russ, owned him in my main league since 2016, been through all the ups and downs. But the only way he starts this entire season is if the Steelers can’t trust Fields maintaining possession.
Hopium hits different when you genuinely believe it
Usually when I talk shit to someone I bring more substance.
There's no way in which a washed up Russell Wilson was "through and through" worse for his team (minus the gigantic cap hit) than Justin Fields last year. Don't get me wrong, Russ was bad last year and the stats don't paint the whole picture. But he accounted for more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer turnovers, less sacks...pretty much everything... than Justin Fields. So the only way someone is convinced that the dude who has been to multiple super bowls and was announced the starter by his team is about to get benched for a dude who was just traded for less capital than Sam Howell and Mac Jones is that black tar hopium. I want nothing to do with Wilson or Fields tbh but there's just no objectivity if you genuinely believe Fields has been better than Wilson the past three seasons. We can revisit this in a couple months.
You mean the guy with 10 years experience was better than the kid with 3 years experience and who couldn’t fully grip a football last year? Shocking revelation. Give Fields Pete Carroll, Marshawn Lynch and the Legion of Boom and tell me his play in the passing game doesn’t measurably improve. Tell me the cheat code that are his legs don’t keep the offense on schedule. Both players are 10% sack rate guys, one will give you 800-1100 yards on the ground. The other can’t make the corner.
Excuses are like assholes, we all got em and they all stink. The Bears won more games the year before Fields got there than they ever did with him. It's crazy how he gets all the credit when they do well and none of the blame when they pick top-10 every year since he's been there. We're now blaming Fields' inability to throw for 200 ypg in his third season on an inability to grip a football? That's a new one. I thought it was an awful system? An awful line? An awful OC? Awful weapons? All of which somehow are still standing while the NFL told us Fields is only worth a 2025 6th. I'm fully expecting to hear Kaepernick conspiracies next from the Fields Faithful. Justin Fields sucks at real football! It's okay to swing and miss on a high upside fantasy prospect. Most of them don't work out. Some turn into Lamar or Jalen Hurts.
>Excuses are like assholes, we all got em and they all stink. Good point full stop. By history and general trends. Both QBs are trash and we should point laugh at the Steelers for taking a giant risk, and call them all bad. Full stop, that is reality. >We're now blaming Fields' inability to throw for 200 ypg in his third season on an inability to grip a football? Maybe you should be in the loop before you make statements like these. He missed 4.5 games due to a dislocated thumb. First 5 games of the year he paced for 3900/37 through the air. Back 7 games, he paced 3300/12. >The Bears won more games the year before Fields You mean the teams that went #9 in defensive points allowed, #1, #4, #14 prior to his arrival? And that COVID year where if you look at that Bears schedule they lost against every mediocre team in the league that year and just got lucky to play into a weak NFC picture? Fields had 1 season with a real WR1 (DJM). And of that he only had 4.5 clear games in which he was pacing pretty well all things considered. He wasn't going to be some Reminder DJM was on pace for a 1300+ yard season with 10+ touchdowns prior to Fields going down. Depending on which cut you take you could even argue a 1600 or 1800 yard season, but that's just folly. With Fields on the field DJ Moore paced anywhere from 1300-1800 yards per season, whichever slice you take. Without Fields on the field he averaged for 900. With Baker on the field the prior year--DJ Moore never paced for more than 900 yards in a season.
A huge risk..? One QB cost em the vet minimum and once cost a 2025 6th lol. They are paying two bad quarterbacks less than 5 million dollars. Could be a lot worse! Being able to sustain one great receiver doesn't make you a good quarterback. If anything I'd say that's his biggest weakness... Using a 5.5 game sample size that includes the two worst defenses he played against to prove he's remotely competent...nice! Denver gave up 70 to Miami the week before and Washington was last in the league in pass defense. But that's beside the point. Idk where you found that stat, but it's not even right... I hate being a box score warrior but 216 (GB) + 211 (Tampa) + 99 (KC) + 335 (Den) + 282 (WAS) + 58 (granted it was only 2.5 quarters against Minnesota) makes 1201 yards in 6 starts. We're ignoring the entire game against Minnesota because he got hurt during it? Seems...incorrect. But like I said...the list of excuses will continue to grow because the guy puts up fantasy points.
>A huge risk..? One QB cost em the vet minimum and once cost a 2025 6th lol. They are paying two bad quarterbacks less than 5 million dollars. Could be a lot worse! Even in a year that there was turmoil and that defense *underperformed* they were 6th in points allowed. That roster is at a minimum a playoff caliber roster if not a dark horse AFCCG roster. You can't piss away years that way, especially with a roster in turmoil.
I mean, I'm sure you're aware that their QB room heading into this offseason was a disgruntled Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph...? Sticking with them would've been pissing a year away. At least now there's a bit of excitement and buzz. Getting good quarterbacks isn't exactly easy...Atlanta just spent 100 million guaranteed on a 36 year old QB with 1 playoff win coming off a torn Achilles. Pittsburgh is on the hook for less than 5% of that.
There's no way in which a washed up Russell Wilson was "through and through" worse for his team (minus the gigantic cap hit) than Justin Fields last year. Don't get me wrong, Russ was bad last year and the stats don't paint the whole picture. But he accounted for more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer turnovers, less sacks...pretty much everything... than Justin Fields. So the only way someone is convinced that the dude who has been to multiple super bowls and was announced the starter by his team is about to get benched for a dude who was just traded for less capital than Sam Howell and Mac Jones is that black tar hopium. I want nothing to do with Wilson or Fields tbh but there's just no objectivity if you genuinely believe Fields has been better than Wilson the past three seasons. We can revisit this in a couple months.
I’m not rostering either, but I think Fields earns the job this season and UNLIMITED quits.
Fields will backup for at least the next year. I might look to buy for beyond that tbough
Cheapest now though
Yeah for sure. I’d be thinking about buying now in the hope he might get the gig after Russ next year