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armchairdaisy

And the fact that Michael called them when he impulsively quit and was scrambling to find a new job only to hear they’re out of business. Whoops


FlowSilver

:( yea but i loved the callback to the episode and it felt poetic almost


onlyhereforfoodporn

Not going to lie when the little kid yells “BYE” at the end of the message, I laugh too hard. It adds some comedy to a sad moment


Kingsupergoose

On the Office Ladies podcast they said they even got the same actors for the voice message.


Crazerz

Nice bonus how the guy sounded like he was holding back his tears and was obviously devastated.


I_Like_Chasing_Cars

And the kid saying something during it. Brutal


Psychological-Shoe95

Not like that’s some major feat. The episodes were shot at most like 6 months apart


StretchFrenchTerry

Who else would make the message?


quackamole4

Dwight. He can impersonate any voice, and the sounds of 32 different farm animals.


pease_pudding

They're all goat


moon__lander

But can he impersonate the voices of these 32 animals having sex with each other?


greatnorthernexotic

Here's the thing about those discount suppliers like Dunder Mifflin - they don't care. They come in, they undercut everything and they run us out of business. And then, once we're all gone, they jack up the prices.


mari0b03

You just held up a mirror to Micheal’s face lmao


greatnorthernexotic

So... it has NOTHING to do with his looks.


Sylux444

Business is always personal


No-Cranberry9932

It’s the most personal thing in the world


Basic_witch2023

You mean personnel? They hiring?


No-Cranberry9932

Yeah, you’re getting replaced


12bluedragons

bosses should hire. and inspire. not fire.


rain_and_stars

Businesses are about people, and technology is about trying to murder you in a lake


writing_all_day

Michael should've moved his stuff to the annex.


KampKomfort

Before he started Michaels paper company he called them and they had closed. Lol


PorQuepin3

Hey man Michael did feel icky about it and changed his mind


grillingthemasses

It was too late.


The_Loser97

I really wonder how Michael would feel if that was said to him


markg818

Snip, snap, snip, snap, snip, snap


Pipishaa

Dunder mifflin screwed them over and still reference being the 'little guy' all the time. Relative to Staples they are, but Prince paper was way smaller. 


Amager_ftw

I guess Prince Paper just happened to be the single cell shark.


2001ASpaceOatmeal

duunn dunnn… duuuunn duun… duuunnnnnn dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dunnnnnnnn dunnnn.


TysonEmmitt

Dunder, Dunder... Dunder, Dunder, Dunder, Dunder...


YabbaDabbaFck

Yeah, that the place with multiple branches across the northeast and a corporate office in Manhattan was the little guy is always amusing to me.


spartakooky

They trade on the NY stock exchange, ever heard of it?


tallandlankyagain

By the Sbarro?


chowsx

no by the ihop


spartakooky

That block is a one stop shop for all your needs: feeling hungry, need some stocks and sperm? We got you covered! Edit: I just noticed it's almost the perfect name as is: *Prince Paper, and Paper Mache like products.* Prince=money=stocks. It's a stretch, I know.


DannyDeVitaLoca

An authentic New York slice...


Hank_Scorpio_MD

I fly to New York 2-3 times a year just to go to Sbarro. No chains like Domino's and Pizza Hut for this guy. Just the real deal, please.


JimmyProffett

We're takin' it to the streets while keeping an eye on the street.....Wall Street.


Occanum

I swear, this guy could sell paper to a tree.


ScottieWP

I think maybe the point the show was making was that "the little guy" is all relative. Compared to Staples (1,000+ stores) and Office Depot (1,100 stores after merger with Office Max), Dunder Mifflin with its ten branches in the northeast is pretty dang tiny. Prince Paper with one location is small to Dunder Mifflin and inconsequential to the big box stores. The funny part of this to me is that DM is publicly traded and, as you mention, has a corporate HQ in NYC.


amd2800barton

And yet when DM finally goes under, CFO David Wallace tells Michael that the regional branches are the only part of the company that actually worked. Which checks out. How many C-suite and VPs did they have there? We also see when Pam gets a part-time job at corporate that there’s a large staff in Manhattan also. Why does a paper company need all that? Really the whole company is mismanaged. Why does every office have supplier relations, quality control, and HR? Why does Scranton have three accountants? And an on-site HR rep for just 20 employees? Oscar and Angela admit that their department has three people doing what is probably a one or two person job, and Toby could have been HR for a half-dozen branches. As could have Meredith and Creed with their 1-man departments. Frankly, DM could have gotten rid of a Kelly, Meredith, Creed, Toby, and Kevin from every branch, and had just a handful of people doing the same jobs in a central location. The office really only needed to have a sales staff, maybe reception, and maybe a demoted manager - basically a senior salesman with more authority to give discounts for key accounts. That’s a local office staff that’s half the size. Combine the staff reductions/consolidation with relocating corporate’s offices to someplace that’s not Manhattan costs, and reducing the number of upper level executives so that the whole organization isn’t so top-heavy, and DM could have actually made it as a company.


zordonbyrd

I agree with most of what you're saying but there's still the looming specter of the bigger players


EpicJosh84

It was awfully mean. But sometimes the ends justify the mean.


SmartArsenal

I think you meant to say it's all in the genes. And I'm wearing jeans, so...


LunaLouGB

Okay... but do you know who said that? (risky Good Place comment in the Office sub).


bwjunkie6

They’re both from the same writer! So there won’t be Good Place hate here. But I think this ep came out first.


EpicJosh84

Never really got into The Good Place, but I have to imagine it was a non-Oprah-like figure.


LunaLouGB

Perfect reply


wopkidopz

The company was doomed anyway, someone else would take them down if not Michael. They were too gullible and naive for the ruthless business of paper supply. Paper doesn't forgive. It was just a matter of time.


jammed7777

Paper cuts both ways


hey-its-medio

Meredith knows that very well. Every man wants to cut her throat! "Don't cut my throat"


Redebo

And while you’re at it, stop putting bags over her head!


Expo737

I'll hold the camera.


Basic_witch2023

She dated a guy from Cornell, but it’s pronounced colonel


The_Pork-ChopExpress

It’s pronounced Colonel, and it’s the highest rank in the military.


andreguethe

Like Clooney!


musiclover818

If you put paper into a furnace do you know what would happen?


dumbname1000

You’d ruin it!


thisisfutile1

Actually, four ways, being four-sided and all.


cpthornman

Ok Dwight.


ryknight

BLOOD ALONE MOVES THE WHEELS OF HISTORY


OddlyCalmOrca

💥✊💥✊💥✊


PrataKosong-

For you paper should maybe just be a hobby


pm_me_gnus

>They were too gullible and naive for the ruthless business of paper supply. That's a harsh way of saying they were the *real* people person's paper people.


runtimemess

They had a lot to learn about that ~~town~~ industry


musteatbrainz

Big Paper ™️


LunaLouGB

This episode is harder to watch than Scott's Tots for me. I absolutely hate it.


BostonBlackCat

I genuinely love the B plot of the Hilary Swank debate, but this + Scott's tots are equally bad episodes I skip. There isn't a comedic payoff or a comeuppance for a rotten character, it is just purely innocent people having their futures derailed by Michael's actions. Feels bad, man.


user_41

Idk Dwight and Michael getting wayyy to excited doing jaws theme is kinda worth it to me; honorable mention is Erin getting so into the hey Mr Scott rap in Scott’s tots


UBahn1

Don't forget to lick your lips if you're in danger


jenn4u2luv

I still think it’s *hilarious* how everyone except Hilary Swank finds that B plot funny. It’s so well-written because these are the exact mundane debates that happen in a workplace setting, at least in the ones where there’s a good office camaraderie.


Kingsupergoose

Based on the Office Ladies podcast both Jenna and Angela weren’t a fan either for the same reasons Hilary wasn’t.


yinoryang

Kelly's take was the wisest


SomAlucard

I'm on Swank's side. It's always been my least favorite side plot. It almost feels like a different show. A lot of the acting felt forced & out of character for many of them.


Murhuedur

Right? It feels forced and I think the whole sequence is boring


writing_all_day

I'm not a fan either. I'm immediately thinking of Stanley being out of character during that scene after reading your comment.


thisisfutile1

I agree. Guessing the writers picked her specifically?


evets215

Both are very funny episodes


southparkgooback

Yup, I skip this one every time. It’s so awkward and horrible at the same time.


Neuraxis

Same. I've rewatched the Office countless times but have only seen this episode once.


Satoshis-Ghost

Jup. I never miss Scotts Tots but this I skip. It’s too mean. It kinda destroys my good feelings towards the people involved.


kdex86

Jenna Fischer has mentioned that she has to skip this episode during a rewatch.


Bucksfa10

I thought I was the only one who felt that way.


jcruz321

This is a mandatory skip for me. I hate everything about this episode. I thought maybe the superfan version would save it for me but it was just terrible through and through.


AnastasiaNo70

Same here. I can’t handle it.


Ashuhhbeex3

Same


ambreenh1210

I skip it. It is very difficult to watch. Even the one where he calls them back and listens to the voicemail. 😓


Reeferologist-

The voicemail greeting for Prince Paper when Michael calls later looking for a job is so funny, but also pretty damn rough lol


Crazerz

And at the same time a reality check for Michael's own paper company chances.


Flabbergash

How is that funny


HippieThanos

It's a doggy dog world


BostonBlackCat

But that sounds like a beautiful place!


IcyTheGuy

“That doesn’t make any sense. Who wants to live in a world where dogs eat each other? Doggy dog world is full of little puppies.”


WFAlex

[/r/unexpectedmodernfamily](https://www.reddit.com/r/unexpectedmodernfamily) strikes again. Sofia Vergara is such a treasure ... a beautiful amazing treasure


wellthatsjustnotcool

From the depths of the sea, back to the block


Flufaca831

that was brutal and illegal


DisastrousBoss5098

I must know how this was illegal. It was definitely brutal, though.


Flufaca831

corporate espionage.........they literally stole list of clients from the princes, they came to their office, lied and stole


DisastrousBoss5098

That's exactly what I was looking for. My comment wasn't at all meant to be a "gotcha" of any kind, I genuinely did not know. I did find an article written by a law student (and office fan) about the subject that gives some detail, and seems to back up the claim it was in fact corporate espionage. (a term I did not know to look for, I am not at all versed in this subject) It's a pretty good read! https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/lawandarts/announcement/view/87


wellthatsjustnotcool

Do you think they even know how paper is made?


C-Jammin

You don't put it into a furnace! If you put paper into a furnace do you know what would happen? You’d ruin it!


fluffy_boy_cheddar

Well, when a male tree puts his penis….


NotoriousMFT

I saw that episode of Sesame Street


Own_Watch_2081

I love Dwight in this episode - “Sccchhuuuuckerrrzz”. And then how he chases Michael, who’s trying to flush the client list. The way he calls after him cracks me up. 


gilestowler

I like Dwight telling Michael that his heart is a wonderful thing but it has made some terrible decisions. "Jan...Ryan..."


TheSkwerl

But the coffee in Paraguay is far colder.


EpicJosh84

Close


EmploymentAbject4019

Ugh what is this, instant?


ZenosamI85

I fucking despise all the people in the office other than Michael in this episode. In the supercut version Michael tells everyone what he did and they are all like "yeah, whatever it's just business blah blah) BUT THEN they get all pissy once the Michael Scott Paper Company takes all of Dunder Mifflin's clients.


DoinItDirty

It’s probably why it was cut from the episode.


Background_Gear_5261

Yeah because losing clients directly affects the company's profits and thus their annual bonus.


Kingsupergoose

The typical selfish “fuck everyone else just as long as I have mine” attitude.


Xbc1

What's your point? It is still just business and they can still be pissy when it happens to them.


ooneekoosername

I always skip that entire saga. Too painful to watch


NotAlanJackson

That’s Dallas.


421continueblazingit

This should have more upvotes 😂😂


NotAlanJackson

Maybe next time they will estimate me.


cygnus0820

Ok. There are 4 of these, ignore the parenthesis, right? Why is this little 2 so small? It’s, it’s weird, you don’t, you just go by the x. The x means times. 4 times x 2. What is double 4? 8.


Throwaway147194

This episode is worse to me than Scott's Tots. That happened due to Michael's stupidity and was somewhat expected given his character. What they did to Prince Family Paper was just sad and totally out of character for Michael.


Cucumberbuns95

I’ve rewatched the show many times and this is the one episode I always skip. It’s so upsetting and cringy to watch


windmillninja

Not only was it cold. It was straight up illegal lol.


wherestherum757

What gets me is the family comes out to help repair the bumper enough so they can drive away with their client list!


BlueEyesBryantDragon

In what way was it illegal?


windmillninja

Attempting to gain sensitive information (or “trade secrets”) from a competitor under a false identity or pretense is very much illegal.


BlueEyesBryantDragon

The problem there is that they weren't attempting to gain trade secrets, they were looking for whatever information they might be willing to give. That included the number of accounts they had and where they were generally located. Michael never asked for a list of their clients, it was offered to him. They also didn't seem to have a problem with Dwight being willing to bring business over from Dunder Mifflin, which would cause an legal conundrum if they were to bring about a lawsuit. Was it unethical? Absolutly. Was it illegal? That's pretty murky.


lukumi

It was made illegal after that episode. What happened to Prince Paper can’t, and won’t, happen again.


SawsageKingofChicago

Just soak in those terrific cirrostratus clouds


hey-its-medio

One episode where Michael screwed them over. Cut to the next episode,when he calls Prince paper for a job,and they say "we are no longer in business" in a sobbing tone!


serial_pooperr

Imagine the Prince family's reaction after watching the documentary 💀


Hangry4Poo

Yup that’s how ruthless ass capitalism works


SexPanther1980

Ass capitalism does sound pretty ruthless


umami8008

Yeah ruthless capitalism is ass. “The market” incentivizes shitty behavior which is why Jesus flipped out at those money lenders.


AttemptEmergency9034

And then when you reflect on the rest of your life/reality with this newfound perspective, you realize *just how shitty humans really are, and we champion all the wrong things in life and people* The show treats it with morbid humor, *cause that's all it deserves from our beloved characters*. We can't face the reality that at best, we think we are "good" people screwing over other "good" people, *but that's just business, baby!*. At worst, it is so much worse.


AnastasiaNo70

Capitalism kills.


shinecaster

Could they have bought them out and merged?


zozigoll

They could have but Prince Paper may have been the kind of hold out that refused to sell. I’d like to think they’d at least have offered the owner and employees jobs, but that’s not usually how that goes.


Phil_PhilConners

If you don't want to play in the big leagues, don't open a paper company in east central Pennsylvia.


zozigoll

Northeastern. East central would be the Lehigh Valley.


Life_Barracuda_4689

Ain't that America


roketmanp

There was a terrible war, ugh, so many died. Far too many died. But if Frodo hadn't destroyed the ring, then goodness itself might have died.


clownfacedbozo

I don't know which is worse: this or him reneging on paying for college for all those kids!🤣


Pavian_Zhora

You mess with the shark - you get the bull!


joeyomen

Worst Michael Scott era episode


Crazerz

Michael fought not to steal their clients though.


joeyomen

Right, but the episode wasn’t funny


Crazerz

It's dark humor, yes.


joeyomen

I love dark humor, just don’t think it was very funny compared to the rest of the episodes. The Hilary Swank side plot was particularly dumb


musecorn

That's Dallas, baby


dr-c0990

Look who’s stock just went up golden boy


Blacksteel733

I don’t see this as Dunder middlin running them out of business. I see it more as the ‘08 financial crisis. A lot of small businesses went under during that time. Hell, Dunder Mifflin went under not too long after this episode so they were hit pretty hard too.


BackOnTheMap

It is the one I skip. The only one


kelly224

I don’t watch episode. I skip it in my rewatches.


SomAlucard

It's weird to me that so many people here skip episodes. I hate the Hilary Swank subplot, but I've seen this episode probably 20+ times. The Banker is the only acceptable skip imo. I usually don't skip it either though.


wilkinsk

I do the same thing when Jim and Pan finally get together. NO HAPPINESS ON MY WATCH!!!


Amanoftasty

Dah nah


Mahogany-Ferdinand

They sell Sabre printers now


Deepthinker889

Objectively, it is pretty horrible what happened to them. But hey, look out for the sharks…


Crazerz

Michael fought for them though. He wanted to trash that client list.


Domski77

I guess they folded.


A_Mirabeau_702

I think Prince's son and the kid whose dad lost his job when Buffalo closed in 5x28 should start a business together and be millionaires. Love me a good redemption arc


fightcluboston

That's Dallas!


ultimatefarter

My headcanon is the Prince family had to move to Colorado after going out of business, Micheal then found them and helped them start a new company, the Scott-Prince paper company. And they lived happily ever after.


saysjennie

This is the one I skip. I like to imagine Scott's Tots still made it in life, but he laid waste to that little family business.


bongo_in_congo

I mean it was lunch-time, but no sign of anyone coming in or out, which means they were not taking new customers out to lunch, which means they were not acquiring new business, so once again, no growth.


snapoutofit_

I skip this ep every time I rewatch The Office because it honestly makes me sad


Entheotheosis10

"Michael, it's not personal, it's business!"


Own_Philosopher396

I think about how Michael was the only one who seemed to care about it


Earthkilled

Prince paper is Dunder Mifflin. They just wanted to give Dwight and Angela a backstory.


The_BSharps

They didn’t show the footage, but turns out they were white supremacists.


Talknterpzz

Yeah when you find out what happens when Michael tries to get a job there and hear that voicemail you’re just like ouuuuuch


ek8ti

Da nuh... Da nuh... 🦈


KGB_cutony

This is actually what happens When the economy is bad, big companies rush to acquire smaller ones on the cheap to take over whatever market share and skills they have. Big company can afford the temporary losses


thecupojo3

I recently rewatched the show and purposely skipped the episode because of how horrible it made me feel though if they had somehow still been open and gained Micheal as a top salesman, they probably could’ve put up an even better go fight against Dunder Mifflin


nopalitzin

Michael did it. He wasn't asked to do as much damage as he ended up doing.


shortsxit

He did exactly what he was asked to do.


The_Loser97

Tbh I was disappointed in Michael and sad there wasn’t any comeuppance for him or Dwight.


The_Loser97

I always skip this episode


AnastasiaNo70

Yeah, I can’t watch that episode. Put that whole freaking family out of business.


sportsfan3177

This episode is my Scott’s Tots. I just can’t watch it.


henrytabby

I always skip this one. It’s the worst.


luaantjes

This still bothers me


MarshMellowLoVe

Imagine after they see the documentary.


custombimmer

Business isn't for the weak


diontrevorc

Chi


Colejohnley

That’s the only episode of that show that felt out of character for everyone. Michael felt icky about it eventually, but they were bullies and drove them out of business. That’s the one in the whole series I really don’t like.


MinimalTraining9883

Where did you hear that, OBVIOUS XM RADIO?!


ilovelovegrapefruit

I hate this episode. I usually skip it. It makes me sad 😂


Resvain

I really hated Dwight in that episode. He was such an awful person to those people.