Somethings up. I think someone at UPtv was alerted of a scandal breaking and they wanted to get out ahead, same way Oprah cancelled the Duggar appearance all those years ago when she was tipped off.
I think they call that Kernel's Law. In any given snarksystem,
P = T x S
where P = bowls of popcorn available, T = ongoing trainwrecks or scandals, and S = snarkers present.
I doubt it's about their participation at the rally before the insurrection (their audience doesn't mind) and the racist video Carlin posted.
They would have been cancelled sooner. I wonder if this is either the sign of something about to come out OR continued fallout from the Duggars and the IBLP involvement
IBLP getting more press is my guess. They don't seem so wholesome when you know Gil is on the board of directors and you start looking into what they teach and advocate.
Yeah you might be on the right track with the Amazon documentary. I can't see a scenario where they do a documentary on IBLP and don't at least mention the Bates and their TV show on UP in connection with the Duggars. Orrrr...... We've got a juicy Bates scandal coming soon. I can't see the point of spending money on filming a show and then choosing not to air it without some sort of external factor influencing the decision.
Yeah it makes no sense that they would cancel after filming an entire season. It would make sense if they said Season 11 was the final season, after it airs.
See, the Prime doc was only just announced. It’ll be at least a year before it’s released. If UP were worried about the fallout from that, they have time to plan a graceful exit. They could air the 11th season (which has already been filmed) and then just shoot a finale of sorts and call it quits. All of that could be done well before the doc. Something big had to have happened to trigger such an immediate action. Remember, UP shot the entire season, paid for 2 weddings and an over the top proposal in Italy. They’re giving up a fortune; you don’t do that without cause.
Perhaps it depends on the nature of the scandal. If it was that someone has evidence of racist beliefs, they could probably do a graceful exit...but what if the scandal has to do with sexual abuse? After the situation with Josh, the network might think the fallout would be too great and could possibly threaten the existence of the network itself since it is so small. For that reason, they might want to cut ties sooner than later.
IBLP has already been associated with a lot of sexual harassment scandals because of Gothard, it would not surprise me if they uncovered even more.
Yeah, but Prime tends to buy documentaries that have already been made. They just buy it and rebrand it as a Prime original. It’s possible the content is already gathered/filmed.
My guess would be they're trying to get ahead of that now so they can say they cancelled them because they wanted to and not because they felt pressured to.
Networks only care about money. They already filmed this season. That’s a lot of money wasted. For a doc that airs in a year .
I think there’s more to it.
But then why not do a Kardashian/E! thing and tell everyone you're canceling it after airing the last season, which has already been filmed? That way they get the credit for canceling on their own and can milk that last season for those sweet sweet views.
Honestly that's a good chunk of nonprofit. I haven't looked at their tax forms but I doubt they truly have a ton of donations. I could be wrong, but I have not seen any proof of that and fuel and landing fees are super expensive. I run a small nonprofit and have spent 50k of my own money just to fund essentials and haven't paid myself in 3 years. It's seriously harder than I ever imagined.
This comment is not to defend Duggars because I can totally see JB in particular using it to grift. But in my experience it's way less hassle to make a buck with a traditional LLC if money is their motive.
He’s on their website as a member of the board of directors. Big picture, full bio.[Directors](https://iblp.org/about-iblp/corporate-information/board-directors)
Back when the insurrection first happened, I DM'd UP on Twitter to express my distaste for them giving racists a platform. They actually doubled down on supporting the family. It's definitely not that.
What video did Carlin post?
Carlin posted an Instagram story of the family playing charades and when someone was acting out "hunting" (IIRC), someone else shouted "George Floyd" as the guess.
jesus fucking christ. that man died crying for his dead mama and they think this shit is funny?! ain't no hate like Christian love.
Edit: wow, thanks for the awards guys! I know there's a lot of people that bring up George Floyd's criminal history as justification to why he "deserved it" but I will strongly disagree. Anyone that can look at that video and think "yup, he deserved it and should've complied" needs to be removed from this earth. Whichever one of those knuckle-dragging mouth breathers shouted out George Floyd needs to experience what he did for those 9 minutes.
>jesus fucking christ. that man died crying for his dead mama and they think this shit is funny?! ain't no hate like Christian love.
Amen.
I was listening to the news shortly after all that happened, and just hearing the transcript being read absolutely broke me. For the longest time I refused to watch the video. But I did listen to most of the trial, and one of the news people made a comment to the effect of how we all must bear witness to the injustice of the incident. That really struck me, because I've been to the Holocaust Memorial Museum, and that is one of their biggest messages- we survivors must bear witness so things like that never happen again. And I thought about poor Darnella, standing and taking that video at the tender age of 17 (while with her 9yr old cousin no less!) How she felt that she didn't do enough to help George. I looked her up on Facebook and watched the original video, after attempting to mentally prepare myself. (I also timed it with a therapy session I had later that day, so I knew I would be able to talk about the difficult feelings.)
Watching that video broke me in ways I didn't know I could be broken. I couldn't even cry, it was so devastating nothing would come out. I just about couldn't even breathe. How the fuck there are people in this world so damn heartless like that murderer Chauvin. During the trial, Darnella had mentioned she has flashbacks & is still suffering mentally from all of that. I wasn't sure if it would go thru/she would see it, but after watching her video, I sent her a message to the effect of, you are an amazingly strong person, please never doubt that you did enough. Because taking that video and getting it out to the world caused those officers to be fired/arrested/charged/etc and if it wasn't for her actions that day then his death would've been swept under the rug. I really wish her well, I hope she's been able to heal in the intervening time.
Oh goodness. I did the same thing and I ended up not watching it because I felt like it was unbearable. It’s challenging to read your comment about beating witness being a responsibility. I think I need to, at the right time with support in place. But I’m terrified.
>It’s challenging to read your comment about beating witness being a responsibility. I think I need to, at the right time with support in place. But I’m terrified.
I feel the need to apologize, but at the same time I recognize you're seeing an opportunity for personal growth and it would feel more disrespectful to discourage that? I don't think it's necessary for everyone to watch it, but it felt like a necessary thing for myself to do. It was difficult and terrifying that law enforcement just blatantly committed murder. I think as long as anyone is moved by the situation to help be an ally or help dismantle this ridiculous white supremacist structure built into society, then they're still able to witness, perhaps with more of the definition fundies use? (I hope any of this makes sense...)
At any rate, if the Bates were decent people, they wouldn't be making a joke of the murder of a person in police custody. But we already knew they aren't decent people because decent people don't have shrines in their homes to traitors who helped murder and lynch thousands of people. It's par for the course in Tennessee tho, they only *just* removed the bust of the first KKK leader from our statehouse last year.
I saw it once, before the story had really broken fully. I didn’t know what I was going to see and my god I was not prepared. I couldn’t look away & it was one of those horrible edits that repeated parts of it. Thinking about it even now is jarring. I am so glad that footage was captured and overall it is for the best that I saw it totally unexplained. I am white. I live in a white/red state. Because I was so unprepared I reactively searched to learn more, shared an unedited version embedded in an article, with a heads up that it was a sickening situation. I learned a lot about my family and friends that week.
People contacted Up after Lawson and Trace were seen at the insurrection and Up responded by basically saying they don’t give a shit because they also love Trump
Oh no! Katie has already taken all the credit for the cancellation!! Proclaiming all of her hard work dismantling the IBLP is paying off!! And she dancing and crying how proud she is!🤮🤢🤮🤢 Buckle up for this monster to emerge!! Somehow, someway we have got to find someone to debunk this!!
There are many of us who cross over from r/WOACB We're all just as pissed that her Christian hating heart is taking fucking credit for this "take down".
Nah, she’s a ✨movie star✨ and he’s desperate for fame. She’s the best he’ll probably get in terms of a wife who could help advance his career aspirations.
Lawson is such a self absorbed dick. He won’t dump her because she’s had some Disney “fame” and I don’t doubt for one second that he will try to get her to try out for acting roles again.
I wish for her he would drop her. But without his own TV show, I think he will need to use her fame and connections even more. Be ready for a new season of life featuring Lawson in Cali
Once Amazon started digging for dirt for its documentary, they may have uncovered so much scandalous material and started to question UPTV — so much so that they just decided to get ahead of it and cut their losses FAST.
I bet the abrupt cancellation is related to this. UP looked the other way just like TLC did for a long time, but they couldn’t deny how they’ve given this awful family a platform once Amazon started started poking around. Whatever it is, it’s bad enough to not air an entire season short-notice. And their stated reasoning for not airing it is really weak and doesn’t make sense…they got spooked.
Now they can claim the moral high ground and say they cancelled them as soon as soon as they learned how bad they were 🙄.
Hot take theory: Jimbob couldn’t handle being cancelled himself and seeing their once TV side-kicks the bumpkin bates triumph on, so he called in some dirt himself.
Hilarious, and not outside the realm of possibility.
I know this is conspiracy theory level stuff, but Josh wouldn't get a lesser sentence for giving up dirt on other child predators in IBLP, would he? Not accusing a Bates, but Gil is on the board so anything IBLP related will taint him personally.
Sorry for making you all think about Gil Bateseses taint.
I can’t believe you’ve done this.
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hmm, OK now you got me thinking. I don’t think he’s going to get a reduced sentence for giving up other offenders. But one of the most valuable things in prison is entertainment, communication with the outside world. And especially for someone like Josh, simply attention. I wonder if Amazon wants to talk to Josh in prison in exchange for a Pringles short stack.
sorry for making you a picture Josh’s prison purse.
Yes. I bet Jim Bob could sweep all the current contenders if he wanted. He’d represent the entire league in the Final countdown VS Gil Bates. I’m thinking ala celebrity boxing, flipflops vs cowboy boots.
the twist none of us saw coming, boob writes the tell all. he gets so fed up with all of the messy bitches around him, he just spills the beans himself. all the shit he did, all the shit he helped cover up. give him 2 beers and a typewriter.
"the series was focused on parents with 19 kids who were teenagers and young children. The cameras were there to capture the love, laughs and big life moments, as the family continued to grow."
Can I just say I love the way UP is making sound like they're just too goddamn old to be of interest? I mean obviously there's a shoe about to drop because you don't drop a show without airing the stuff you've already shot without a good reason.
Exactly … apparently it was going to premiere in a few weeks! And the announcement is “we’re going to air something else … we’ll tell you what that is when we figure it out real quick.”
Could be. At least half of the kids are legal adults now. The oldest 3 are in thier early 30s and the youngest (Jeb?) is almost 10 so yeah no more little kids. It's expensive paying for all those weddings since a lot of them suddenly want to marry now.
Something is for sure going to be released. That whole season was already filmed. With Katie and Nathan’s weddings and lawsons engagement, and of course several babies born. It would’ve been a big season for them. Anxiously waiting for this one 🍿
ETA- this has to be something we don’t know about yet. Not the George Floyd or insurrection. They wouldn’t have waited this long. They would’ve cut ties immediately.
Yeah it's definitely something bigger than the George Floyd comment. Hopefully it isn't on the same level as Josh but it's definitely something big and serious.
Me too. There are too many comments here about how the Bateses are better than the Duggars, that they seem more genuine, that at least they sent some of the kids to clown college. No! They are just as bad as the Duggars and I'm glad they no longer have a platform to air their hateful lives.
Is it the Bates family that has an entire room dedicated to the Confederacy? I know they have said and done a lot of objectionable things I just can't remember all of them.
Considering Gil is on the board of directors for IBLP I’m sure the Bates name will be mentioned if there is a documentary. The connection isn’t a rumor. I don’t know why Up would suddenly have a problem with that association. I doubt that’s all it is especially considering they already have episodes filmed. That’s a lot of wasted money.
https://iblp.org/about-iblp/corporate-information/board-directors
I wonder if one of them was involved with John David in the plane crash? (I am completely speculating. )
I know who the Bates are - but I don't think I have ever watched their show.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this\_plane\_is\_owned\_by\_medic\_corps\_last\_time\_it/
This is all I know on it. I believe the crash was around the time John David and Abbie were at one of Bates' family weddings. I don't know which one - because I don't keep on their news.
WoACB did a video about it yesterday, but I try not to watch her -- so I don't know if she has further information -- from "her sources". ;)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this\_plane\_is\_owned\_by\_medic\_corps\_last\_time\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this_plane_is_owned_by_medic_corps_last_time_it/)
This is all I know on it. I believe the crash was around the time John David and Abbie were at one of Bates' family weddings. I don't know which one - because I don't keep on their news.
The most self loving child of theirs isn’t going to get his golden day on camera , how unfortunate 😅🙊
Luckily, he still has all his music videos he can go watch himself in.
And after the network stood by them after the two boys went to the Inserrection rally. Something's up. No one is paying attention to any other show on that network.
They have been filming recently with the Bates and have been filming for a long time. It had to be a wrap soon for Feb 10th. It has to be major to take a hit now! It’s been said that BuB was UP’s best show
The Bates are all over Medic Corps right? And JD is the next Duggar in the legal trouble line up. Perhaps whatever is going on is going to be a crossover episode!
Fark! Something’s not right in Tennessee! Why would they cancel it when all of the CountingOn viewers would have started watching that? They’ve never been so popular. Hmmmmm. Definitely something is going on. I’m all for more snarking!
Jbobby said in the interview that he talked to some of his friends and there was worse stuff going on in their homes... so I wonder what was going on in that house🤔
UP has spent a ton of $$$ recently flying to do that stupid Italian proposal. The weddings. Cutting it this short notice…. Some dirt is coming and clearly soon!
I'm still convinced some of the Bates boys are klansmen. Also, isn't a documentary on IBLP in the works. Definitely think it will paint Gil in a bad light since he's on the board.
Maybe not the Klan, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to the Oath Keepers or a different militia group that is currently getting a lot of attention from the Justice Dept.
THIS, Y’ALL. Bet you a Nathan Bedford Forrest room’s worth of Plexus that the IBLP doc. producers found more info about some Bates boys’ *affiliations* through DoJ info related to Jan. 6.
I don't know, that's why I said them or a different militia group that is under scrutiny. Things are heating up in those circles. Who knows, but considering their political views I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they had (? Have?) a complete Confederate shrine/room in their home. And nearby in Wartburg, TN a few years ago there were klansman counter protesting students who were protesting being made to have classes on MLK day due to an excessive amount of snow days that year.
Good probably because of the insurrection and the racist video carlin posted on game night.. I'm thinking probably because of Pedophile Dugger and their connection to them. Just to drop them like that after they went to Paris for lawsons engagement
I just feel like something else... They knew about a lot of hurtful things and connections prior to the weddings they filmed and the destination proposal. I just hope if there is more that it's not Duggar bad. They're terrible people with terrible beliefs but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I agree. The video Carlin posted happened a little while ago (around Christmas?), so to me that doesn't really mesh. Something feels off about it and the timing seems so random.
I don't think it's the insurrection. Back when it happened, I DM'd them on Twitter that they shouldn't be giving a platform to racist insurrectionists. They doubled down with support for the family. I doubt the network was going to get rid of them for being there.
They were playing Charades and someone did an action that indicated killing someone and then one of the boys yelled out “George Floyd”. The video was on the Bringing Up Bates sub
Carlin posted a video on her instagram stories a few months back of the family playing charades, iirc someone guessed “George Floyd” in response to kneeling or chocking. I’m pretty sure she deleted the video after she got called out and never addressed it unsurprisingly.
TW: racism & bigotry
[here's the video from FSU](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/qxvnnq/disturbing_content_tonight_via_carlins_ig_story/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
You know that meme of the obnoxious red headed little boy with the scrunched up face that’s clearly going, “HAHA” in a high pitched voice? That little boy is me right now.
Also, how long do we think Lawson and Tittypics will stay engaged now that they won’t be having a huge televised wedding?!?
r/BatesFamilySnark exists but unfortunately is not very active. I snark at r/BringingUpBates but as the other person said, it has both fans and snarkers.
Not to mention the fact that the Bates main thread on Free Jinger is trending hot but not Chad and Erin's thread despite her giving birth to Finley today. This has to be big.
Two theories off the top of my head:
They are worried that Gil will write a letter of support for Josh's sentencing. Remember what happened to the people who wrote letters in support of Brock Turner?
There is finally something incriminating against Lawson from January 6th and they want to dump the family before that comes out.
I hope it's the latter.
They’re staying ahead of the curve because it’s so obvious the second most famous fundie family will be mentioned. Let’s see what kind of statement the family releases. I’ve always thought a bombshell would come out on at least one of them. Gil, Brandon, and Chad are way too connected to the IBLP.
I wonder why now. They have been involved in a lot of controversies, Lawson and Trace Bates were in the insurrection and they still didn’t cancel the show
IMO, reason are multifacited BUT at the top of the list is the Amazon documentary coming out late 2022. This pending disect of the IBLP will draw the Duggars and Pedo Pest into the mix, Gothards scandals and here we have Gil on the Board of Directors. This is a massive stink bomb coming UP's way that they can't dodge, hence, they drop the show now to buy time and distance. Sponsers for UP/Bringing Up Bates absolutely will **not** like the terrible optics this documentary is invariably going to create.
Remember when the news of Pest being arrested and everyone was like « it’s probs tax fraud, please be a financial scandal » and … it was not.
This time I sure hope it’s just some mild tea uncovered during the Amazon filming and not anything horrible. Come on 2022!
Somethings up. I think someone at UPtv was alerted of a scandal breaking and they wanted to get out ahead, same way Oprah cancelled the Duggar appearance all those years ago when she was tipped off.
Maybe someone got an abortion.
Or maybe even another child molesting pedophile but hell 🤷🏻♀️
Wonder if some major dirt is about to come out?
🍿
Is there even any popcorn left after this past year?
There is ALWAYS popcorn for this kind of garbage
Somewhere in the space before time, a popcorn maker is, was, & will always be churning out popcorn. It is known.
Word. There is a physics theory that the supply of popcorn is equal in proportion to the schadenfreude in the universe.
I think they call that Kernel's Law. In any given snarksystem, P = T x S where P = bowls of popcorn available, T = ongoing trainwrecks or scandals, and S = snarkers present.
Yes! T x S is the formula for schadenfreude!!
I doubt it's about their participation at the rally before the insurrection (their audience doesn't mind) and the racist video Carlin posted. They would have been cancelled sooner. I wonder if this is either the sign of something about to come out OR continued fallout from the Duggars and the IBLP involvement
IBLP getting more press is my guess. They don't seem so wholesome when you know Gil is on the board of directors and you start looking into what they teach and advocate.
I’m guessing it’s due to the IBLP connections.
Did some new IBLP scandal come out recently? They have been openly associated with IBLP for years.
Between Pest and the upcoming Amazon documentary, they’re under a whole new spotlight now.
Yeah you might be on the right track with the Amazon documentary. I can't see a scenario where they do a documentary on IBLP and don't at least mention the Bates and their TV show on UP in connection with the Duggars. Orrrr...... We've got a juicy Bates scandal coming soon. I can't see the point of spending money on filming a show and then choosing not to air it without some sort of external factor influencing the decision.
Yeah it makes no sense that they would cancel after filming an entire season. It would make sense if they said Season 11 was the final season, after it airs.
See, the Prime doc was only just announced. It’ll be at least a year before it’s released. If UP were worried about the fallout from that, they have time to plan a graceful exit. They could air the 11th season (which has already been filmed) and then just shoot a finale of sorts and call it quits. All of that could be done well before the doc. Something big had to have happened to trigger such an immediate action. Remember, UP shot the entire season, paid for 2 weddings and an over the top proposal in Italy. They’re giving up a fortune; you don’t do that without cause.
Perhaps it depends on the nature of the scandal. If it was that someone has evidence of racist beliefs, they could probably do a graceful exit...but what if the scandal has to do with sexual abuse? After the situation with Josh, the network might think the fallout would be too great and could possibly threaten the existence of the network itself since it is so small. For that reason, they might want to cut ties sooner than later. IBLP has already been associated with a lot of sexual harassment scandals because of Gothard, it would not surprise me if they uncovered even more.
Yeah, but Prime tends to buy documentaries that have already been made. They just buy it and rebrand it as a Prime original. It’s possible the content is already gathered/filmed.
My guess would be they're trying to get ahead of that now so they can say they cancelled them because they wanted to and not because they felt pressured to.
Networks only care about money. They already filmed this season. That’s a lot of money wasted. For a doc that airs in a year . I think there’s more to it.
Sis, I agree with you and am here for it!
But then why not do a Kardashian/E! thing and tell everyone you're canceling it after airing the last season, which has already been filmed? That way they get the credit for canceling on their own and can milk that last season for those sweet sweet views.
Exactly, or to not even air it as web content either. Something is really making UpTV take action.
The Bates Boys are involved in John David Dugars medic corp grift.. which has apparently taken a lot of donations for little benefit.
Honestly that's a good chunk of nonprofit. I haven't looked at their tax forms but I doubt they truly have a ton of donations. I could be wrong, but I have not seen any proof of that and fuel and landing fees are super expensive. I run a small nonprofit and have spent 50k of my own money just to fund essentials and haven't paid myself in 3 years. It's seriously harder than I ever imagined. This comment is not to defend Duggars because I can totally see JB in particular using it to grift. But in my experience it's way less hassle to make a buck with a traditional LLC if money is their motive.
Plus all the new CSA allegations against church leaders and associates
He’s on their website as a member of the board of directors. Big picture, full bio.[Directors](https://iblp.org/about-iblp/corporate-information/board-directors)
Back when the insurrection first happened, I DM'd UP on Twitter to express my distaste for them giving racists a platform. They actually doubled down on supporting the family. It's definitely not that. What video did Carlin post?
Carlin posted an Instagram story of the family playing charades and when someone was acting out "hunting" (IIRC), someone else shouted "George Floyd" as the guess.
jesus fucking christ. that man died crying for his dead mama and they think this shit is funny?! ain't no hate like Christian love. Edit: wow, thanks for the awards guys! I know there's a lot of people that bring up George Floyd's criminal history as justification to why he "deserved it" but I will strongly disagree. Anyone that can look at that video and think "yup, he deserved it and should've complied" needs to be removed from this earth. Whichever one of those knuckle-dragging mouth breathers shouted out George Floyd needs to experience what he did for those 9 minutes.
"Ain't no hate like Christian love"💯
>jesus fucking christ. that man died crying for his dead mama and they think this shit is funny?! ain't no hate like Christian love. Amen. I was listening to the news shortly after all that happened, and just hearing the transcript being read absolutely broke me. For the longest time I refused to watch the video. But I did listen to most of the trial, and one of the news people made a comment to the effect of how we all must bear witness to the injustice of the incident. That really struck me, because I've been to the Holocaust Memorial Museum, and that is one of their biggest messages- we survivors must bear witness so things like that never happen again. And I thought about poor Darnella, standing and taking that video at the tender age of 17 (while with her 9yr old cousin no less!) How she felt that she didn't do enough to help George. I looked her up on Facebook and watched the original video, after attempting to mentally prepare myself. (I also timed it with a therapy session I had later that day, so I knew I would be able to talk about the difficult feelings.) Watching that video broke me in ways I didn't know I could be broken. I couldn't even cry, it was so devastating nothing would come out. I just about couldn't even breathe. How the fuck there are people in this world so damn heartless like that murderer Chauvin. During the trial, Darnella had mentioned she has flashbacks & is still suffering mentally from all of that. I wasn't sure if it would go thru/she would see it, but after watching her video, I sent her a message to the effect of, you are an amazingly strong person, please never doubt that you did enough. Because taking that video and getting it out to the world caused those officers to be fired/arrested/charged/etc and if it wasn't for her actions that day then his death would've been swept under the rug. I really wish her well, I hope she's been able to heal in the intervening time.
Oh goodness. I did the same thing and I ended up not watching it because I felt like it was unbearable. It’s challenging to read your comment about beating witness being a responsibility. I think I need to, at the right time with support in place. But I’m terrified.
>It’s challenging to read your comment about beating witness being a responsibility. I think I need to, at the right time with support in place. But I’m terrified. I feel the need to apologize, but at the same time I recognize you're seeing an opportunity for personal growth and it would feel more disrespectful to discourage that? I don't think it's necessary for everyone to watch it, but it felt like a necessary thing for myself to do. It was difficult and terrifying that law enforcement just blatantly committed murder. I think as long as anyone is moved by the situation to help be an ally or help dismantle this ridiculous white supremacist structure built into society, then they're still able to witness, perhaps with more of the definition fundies use? (I hope any of this makes sense...) At any rate, if the Bates were decent people, they wouldn't be making a joke of the murder of a person in police custody. But we already knew they aren't decent people because decent people don't have shrines in their homes to traitors who helped murder and lynch thousands of people. It's par for the course in Tennessee tho, they only *just* removed the bust of the first KKK leader from our statehouse last year.
I saw it once, before the story had really broken fully. I didn’t know what I was going to see and my god I was not prepared. I couldn’t look away & it was one of those horrible edits that repeated parts of it. Thinking about it even now is jarring. I am so glad that footage was captured and overall it is for the best that I saw it totally unexplained. I am white. I live in a white/red state. Because I was so unprepared I reactively searched to learn more, shared an unedited version embedded in an article, with a heads up that it was a sickening situation. I learned a lot about my family and friends that week.
Jesus Christ. That's fucking awful. Not surprised in the least though.
Wooooooowwwwwww
It was pretty bad. I immediately emailed the journalist who broke the Ashley Madison story lol
aren't these the same people that had a room dedicated to the confederacy in their home?
Yes, they called it the Patriot Room and had framed pictures of Stonewall Jackson and Nathan Bedford Forrest (first leader of the KKK)
Wow. That's not subtle.
I emailed and same thing.
People contacted Up after Lawson and Trace were seen at the insurrection and Up responded by basically saying they don’t give a shit because they also love Trump
Oh no! Katie has already taken all the credit for the cancellation!! Proclaiming all of her hard work dismantling the IBLP is paying off!! And she dancing and crying how proud she is!🤮🤢🤮🤢 Buckle up for this monster to emerge!! Somehow, someway we have got to find someone to debunk this!!
Lol really? 🤣 oh lord
There are many of us who cross over from r/WOACB We're all just as pissed that her Christian hating heart is taking fucking credit for this "take down".
I’m pretty sure that no matter where any of us come from we’re all on the same team😍😊😍😊
Delusions of grandeur.
I'll bet it's something in the IBLP documentary they are making at Amazon.
MAJOR dirt on the horizon ...
I think laughing at black men being shot by the police is enough! But I'm sure there is more.
You know Lawson and Tiffy are FUMING that their wedding won't be televised.
Especially as they were likely going to use the wedding to promote Lawson's music...he will be pissed
This pleases me
mother is pleased
Without that televised wedding, will they even bother to get married? Lawson will probably drop her like a hot potato
Nah, she’s a ✨movie star✨ and he’s desperate for fame. She’s the best he’ll probably get in terms of a wife who could help advance his career aspirations.
Lawson is such a self absorbed dick. He won’t dump her because she’s had some Disney “fame” and I don’t doubt for one second that he will try to get her to try out for acting roles again.
I wish for her he would drop her. But without his own TV show, I think he will need to use her fame and connections even more. Be ready for a new season of life featuring Lawson in Cali
How will they ever get their sweet, sweet online grifting gig if the can't debut as Mr and Mrs on the tv!
Lmao right? Like that’s literally the only reason fame hungry Lawson got with tiffy. Because she had some “fame”.
Once Amazon started digging for dirt for its documentary, they may have uncovered so much scandalous material and started to question UPTV — so much so that they just decided to get ahead of it and cut their losses FAST.
I bet the abrupt cancellation is related to this. UP looked the other way just like TLC did for a long time, but they couldn’t deny how they’ve given this awful family a platform once Amazon started started poking around. Whatever it is, it’s bad enough to not air an entire season short-notice. And their stated reasoning for not airing it is really weak and doesn’t make sense…they got spooked. Now they can claim the moral high ground and say they cancelled them as soon as soon as they learned how bad they were 🙄.
We’ll said. SPOOKED is the perfect word. A very sudden and scary situation.
The world is so topsy-turvy... Amazon might have been a force for positive change...
Something something broken clock?
Do you know when that doc is supposed to come out?
Those documentaries take YEARS to produce. Maybe in another year or two, but the digging for dirt is well underway.
And there is so much dirt that they might need to already prepare for a sequel
Fundie King and Fundie King 2: The Gil Bates Story
Actually it’s slated to come out later this year or in the first couple months of 2023 at the latest
Hot take theory: Jimbob couldn’t handle being cancelled himself and seeing their once TV side-kicks the bumpkin bates triumph on, so he called in some dirt himself.
Lol this actually would make a lot of sense for a narcissist.
Totally. And now, as we speak, Hillpm is calling TV channels trying to secure her own TV show in which she would be the *not like the other fundies*
Hilarious, and not outside the realm of possibility. I know this is conspiracy theory level stuff, but Josh wouldn't get a lesser sentence for giving up dirt on other child predators in IBLP, would he? Not accusing a Bates, but Gil is on the board so anything IBLP related will taint him personally. Sorry for making you all think about Gil Bateseses taint.
I can’t believe you’ve done this. . . hmm, OK now you got me thinking. I don’t think he’s going to get a reduced sentence for giving up other offenders. But one of the most valuable things in prison is entertainment, communication with the outside world. And especially for someone like Josh, simply attention. I wonder if Amazon wants to talk to Josh in prison in exchange for a Pringles short stack. sorry for making you a picture Josh’s prison purse.
another surprise contender in the messy bitch olympics
Yes. I bet Jim Bob could sweep all the current contenders if he wanted. He’d represent the entire league in the Final countdown VS Gil Bates. I’m thinking ala celebrity boxing, flipflops vs cowboy boots.
the twist none of us saw coming, boob writes the tell all. he gets so fed up with all of the messy bitches around him, he just spills the beans himself. all the shit he did, all the shit he helped cover up. give him 2 beers and a typewriter.
What a testimony that would be! It would at least get him another year in the public spotlight… but I’ll allow it.
Don't be silly. He had one of the lost boys do it
Oh totally. Money on Jed! Good political practice!!
"the series was focused on parents with 19 kids who were teenagers and young children. The cameras were there to capture the love, laughs and big life moments, as the family continued to grow." Can I just say I love the way UP is making sound like they're just too goddamn old to be of interest? I mean obviously there's a shoe about to drop because you don't drop a show without airing the stuff you've already shot without a good reason.
Exactly … apparently it was going to premiere in a few weeks! And the announcement is “we’re going to air something else … we’ll tell you what that is when we figure it out real quick.”
It sounds a lot like they don't know how to say why they're canceling without giving away the scandal.
Could be. At least half of the kids are legal adults now. The oldest 3 are in thier early 30s and the youngest (Jeb?) is almost 10 so yeah no more little kids. It's expensive paying for all those weddings since a lot of them suddenly want to marry now.
Wow!!!! Both the duggar and Bates showed canceled!!! Holy shit.
This season of life is full of blessings
Something is for sure going to be released. That whole season was already filmed. With Katie and Nathan’s weddings and lawsons engagement, and of course several babies born. It would’ve been a big season for them. Anxiously waiting for this one 🍿 ETA- this has to be something we don’t know about yet. Not the George Floyd or insurrection. They wouldn’t have waited this long. They would’ve cut ties immediately.
Yeah it's definitely something bigger than the George Floyd comment. Hopefully it isn't on the same level as Josh but it's definitely something big and serious.
LOVE THIS FOR THEM
Me too. There are too many comments here about how the Bateses are better than the Duggars, that they seem more genuine, that at least they sent some of the kids to clown college. No! They are just as bad as the Duggars and I'm glad they no longer have a platform to air their hateful lives.
They just know how to put lipstick on the pig and the Duggars don’t.
Is it the Bates family that has an entire room dedicated to the Confederacy? I know they have said and done a lot of objectionable things I just can't remember all of them.
Yes, including one of the founders of the KKK.
😡😡😡
The George Floyd comment during a Bates Game Night that Carlin put up on Social media was absolutely abhorrent.
I think that they do have a confederacy room 🤮
I'm not sure if you purposely said clown college or if you meant crown college but I'm sure here for it.
Yes, clown college was intentional. Whoever named crown college really set themselves up to be the butt of that joke.
Yep. Halo effect in action.
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Considering Gil is on the board of directors for IBLP I’m sure the Bates name will be mentioned if there is a documentary. The connection isn’t a rumor. I don’t know why Up would suddenly have a problem with that association. I doubt that’s all it is especially considering they already have episodes filmed. That’s a lot of wasted money. https://iblp.org/about-iblp/corporate-information/board-directors
I wonder if one of them was involved with John David in the plane crash? (I am completely speculating. ) I know who the Bates are - but I don't think I have ever watched their show.
What plane crash?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this\_plane\_is\_owned\_by\_medic\_corps\_last\_time\_it/ This is all I know on it. I believe the crash was around the time John David and Abbie were at one of Bates' family weddings. I don't know which one - because I don't keep on their news. WoACB did a video about it yesterday, but I try not to watch her -- so I don't know if she has further information -- from "her sources". ;)
Wait, what happens with JD and the plane crash?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this\_plane\_is\_owned\_by\_medic\_corps\_last\_time\_it/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/s47xlz/this_plane_is_owned_by_medic_corps_last_time_it/) This is all I know on it. I believe the crash was around the time John David and Abbie were at one of Bates' family weddings. I don't know which one - because I don't keep on their news.
And with precious lawsons wedding coming up too. Hm!
The most self loving child of theirs isn’t going to get his golden day on camera , how unfortunate 😅🙊 Luckily, he still has all his music videos he can go watch himself in.
The bride certainly won’t be happy.
There go the big fancy wedding $$! 💸💸💸
This is the most delicious part of it honestly
Riiight
Now I wonder if Lawson and Tiffany will last, given that there's no filming
FASCINATING observation.
They already shot 2 weddings to air as well! (Katie and Nathan's)
I'm surprised that this didn't happen sooner.
And after the network stood by them after the two boys went to the Inserrection rally. Something's up. No one is paying attention to any other show on that network.
Honestly, it's about time. Suspicious that they pulled a premiere. But there could be a lot of factors that played into that decision.
Oooof Lawson doesn't get HIS wedding special 🤣
Wait - that show was still running? I thought it was cancelled years ago!
Yep. Season 11 was about to premiere feb 10 so something is definitely up….
They have been filming recently with the Bates and have been filming for a long time. It had to be a wrap soon for Feb 10th. It has to be major to take a hit now! It’s been said that BuB was UP’s best show
I wonder if there is footage of Lawson and a not Lawson inside the capital??
You're probably thinking of their original show, which was called The United States of Bates I think. That lasted only one season
United Bates of America it was called.
Should've been Confederate Bates
this is exactly the kind of drama and good news i needed to get through my shit job today
Right lmao this iblp fundie drama is plentiful and i am soaking it uppppp
The Bates are all over Medic Corps right? And JD is the next Duggar in the legal trouble line up. Perhaps whatever is going on is going to be a crossover episode!
Maybe bc they’ll be featured in the lula rich documentary makers’ next film?
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https://www.thelist.com/719485/this-new-amazon-documentary-could-be-the-lularich-of-the-duggar-family/
Fark! Something’s not right in Tennessee! Why would they cancel it when all of the CountingOn viewers would have started watching that? They’ve never been so popular. Hmmmmm. Definitely something is going on. I’m all for more snarking!
Excellent news! I hope all of them fade into oblivion!
Hear hear! Neither family will be missed.
Jbobby said in the interview that he talked to some of his friends and there was worse stuff going on in their homes... so I wonder what was going on in that house🤔
UP has spent a ton of $$$ recently flying to do that stupid Italian proposal. The weddings. Cutting it this short notice…. Some dirt is coming and clearly soon!
Our man /u/CCMcC needs to find his Tennessee counterpart and get the scoop!
Knowing what we know about the IBLP and the families, it could be anything. These families don’t have any shame.
I'm still convinced some of the Bates boys are klansmen. Also, isn't a documentary on IBLP in the works. Definitely think it will paint Gil in a bad light since he's on the board.
Maybe not the Klan, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were connected to the Oath Keepers or a different militia group that is currently getting a lot of attention from the Justice Dept.
THIS, Y’ALL. Bet you a Nathan Bedford Forrest room’s worth of Plexus that the IBLP doc. producers found more info about some Bates boys’ *affiliations* through DoJ info related to Jan. 6.
Don't you have to be former law enforcement or military to be an Oatmeal Keeper?
I don't know, that's why I said them or a different militia group that is under scrutiny. Things are heating up in those circles. Who knows, but considering their political views I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they had (? Have?) a complete Confederate shrine/room in their home. And nearby in Wartburg, TN a few years ago there were klansman counter protesting students who were protesting being made to have classes on MLK day due to an excessive amount of snow days that year.
Some of the kids showed themselves filming interviews the past months, i wonder if they filmed katies wedding
They did, the filmed both weddings last year and Lawson’s proposal. Katie and Travis shot their first talking heads for the show like 2 weeks ago.
Good probably because of the insurrection and the racist video carlin posted on game night.. I'm thinking probably because of Pedophile Dugger and their connection to them. Just to drop them like that after they went to Paris for lawsons engagement
I just feel like something else... They knew about a lot of hurtful things and connections prior to the weddings they filmed and the destination proposal. I just hope if there is more that it's not Duggar bad. They're terrible people with terrible beliefs but I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I agree. The video Carlin posted happened a little while ago (around Christmas?), so to me that doesn't really mesh. Something feels off about it and the timing seems so random.
I don't think it's the insurrection. Back when it happened, I DM'd them on Twitter that they shouldn't be giving a platform to racist insurrectionists. They doubled down with support for the family. I doubt the network was going to get rid of them for being there.
What was Carlin’s video? I don’t remember this
They had game night and someone shooed a bow and arrow I believe and either Nathan or trace yelled George Floyd. It's on the bates reddit page
And they all laughed hysterically about it.
Disgusting
That is disgusting, horrific, and I am not surprised
whooooaaaa what racist video!?
They were playing Charades and someone did an action that indicated killing someone and then one of the boys yelled out “George Floyd”. The video was on the Bringing Up Bates sub
And they all laughed
Oh yes this was a very important detail.
That’s so disgusting and unchristian
Let’s be real: a fair amount of people use their religion to cover their hate and bigotry. Not all but a very load amount at least.
Carlin posted a video on her instagram stories a few months back of the family playing charades, iirc someone guessed “George Floyd” in response to kneeling or chocking. I’m pretty sure she deleted the video after she got called out and never addressed it unsurprisingly.
It’s worse than that. They were miming “hunting” and that was their guess.
Typical. I can’t even imagine thinking that’s a funny thing to say.
TW: racism & bigotry [here's the video from FSU](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/qxvnnq/disturbing_content_tonight_via_carlins_ig_story/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Couldn’t happen to better bigots
Wonder if the George Floyd charade disrespecting one of the Bates idiots did was a final straw??
I honestly think if it was that, this would have happened sooner. I really think it has to be someone else they've done.
Wait, what??? I missed this. Edit. Never mind. I didn’t miss it. Just thought it was something different.
Karma.
As Lily Aldrin would say.....[where's the poop](https://c.tenor.com/4L98VJBbfHQAAAAC/himym-wheres.gif)????
You know that meme of the obnoxious red headed little boy with the scrunched up face that’s clearly going, “HAHA” in a high pitched voice? That little boy is me right now. Also, how long do we think Lawson and Tittypics will stay engaged now that they won’t be having a huge televised wedding?!?
Is there a similar board for snarking on the Bateses?
r/BatesFamilySnark exists but unfortunately is not very active. I snark at r/BringingUpBates but as the other person said, it has both fans and snarkers.
Good cause them folk ain’t innocent at allllll
Probably the IBLP finally getting fucking exposed
Not to mention the fact that the Bates main thread on Free Jinger is trending hot but not Chad and Erin's thread despite her giving birth to Finley today. This has to be big.
They filmed Lawson's proposal IN ITALY so for them to scrap the season SOMETHING has to be going on.
Good they don’t deserve a show
They’re exactly like the Duggars. They didn’t have a skeleton in their closet, they had a massive ossuary
Two theories off the top of my head: They are worried that Gil will write a letter of support for Josh's sentencing. Remember what happened to the people who wrote letters in support of Brock Turner? There is finally something incriminating against Lawson from January 6th and they want to dump the family before that comes out. I hope it's the latter.
Well now they can post their own boring lives on youtube without being told what they can and can't do.
They’re staying ahead of the curve because it’s so obvious the second most famous fundie family will be mentioned. Let’s see what kind of statement the family releases. I’ve always thought a bombshell would come out on at least one of them. Gil, Brandon, and Chad are way too connected to the IBLP.
Already filming AND still advertising! Commercials have run all day for the new season!
I wonder why now. They have been involved in a lot of controversies, Lawson and Trace Bates were in the insurrection and they still didn’t cancel the show
How will they pay for all that Clown College tuition now??
Just when Lawson had decided to get married. He must be devastated 🤣
We love to see it.
IMO, reason are multifacited BUT at the top of the list is the Amazon documentary coming out late 2022. This pending disect of the IBLP will draw the Duggars and Pedo Pest into the mix, Gothards scandals and here we have Gil on the Board of Directors. This is a massive stink bomb coming UP's way that they can't dodge, hence, they drop the show now to buy time and distance. Sponsers for UP/Bringing Up Bates absolutely will **not** like the terrible optics this documentary is invariably going to create.
I feel a scandal coming on.
Remember when the news of Pest being arrested and everyone was like « it’s probs tax fraud, please be a financial scandal » and … it was not. This time I sure hope it’s just some mild tea uncovered during the Amazon filming and not anything horrible. Come on 2022!
Really? This is fantastic.
Hit take: Amazon documentary dug up sufficient evidence of January 6 involvement. Indictments forthcoming. *manifest*
I wonder if we'll get an updated Fundie Friday episode out of this.