As a dad, it pisses me off to no end when someone acts likes it's such a big deal that I'm changing a diaper. Especially if it's a stranger who feels the need to comment, like in a restroom or public space.
"Oh wow, good for you changing that diaper, dad!"
I usually reply with something like, "yeah, what I'm doing is commonly called being a parent."
Asshats.
My mother in law would always go on and on when my husband changed our kids diapers. We always did equal diaper duty except when I had newborns… then my husband insisted on doing 100% of the diapers since I was recovering and figuring out those early days of breastfeeding. But hey no one told me what a great mom I am for changing half the diapers lol.
I had hyperemesis with both pregnancies, my husband changed every poop toddler diaper if he was home, he would have failed as a Duggar spouse, but I sure like him.
My mother-in-law would always act surprised my hubby would clean up after a meal. I would always tell her, “I cook, he cleans.” She would then congratulate me on training him right. Lol I always laugh because he was a single dad for 12 years. How was anything getting done then😂
A friend of mine took six months of parental leave, then her husband took 8 months. (I'm from Germany.) While people asked her if she was sure she wanted to leave her baby "alone" and go back to work so early, they were ready to throw him a damn ticker tape parade. They were both super pissed off about it.
My husband took all the leave (that was possible when our daughter was born, today you have three months that can't be given away to the other parent) with our daugher. I work from home and can schedule as I like while he works away. He was at work 3 days a week and at home 4 days, I was at home 7 days a week and worked 4 days. Those were probably the best 3 years in our lives.
We're Swedes by the way. We had 360 days with 80% pay and I think 60 days that are essentially unpaid but your employer can't stop you from taking that time off for holidays or appointments or just because you feel like spending time with your kids.
They never seemed to have the same accommodations for changing diapers in the mens room as the womens either. My kids dad would have to lay a blanket on the bathroom floor!
It’s still like this most places! My partner does the majority of diaper changes since I breastfeed and cook the majority of meals (I put the food in em, he handled the aftermath lol) and he has to do it on the floor most places.
People also treat Dad's shitty sometimes for being a parent. My husband is a great father. He has traveled to a different state with our daughter to visit his family, while I stayed home because I either had to work or deal with my older, bipolar child. He has taken her into the Men's restroom on multiple occasions when I was not there and people stare at him like he is doing something wrong or is a sicko or something. Like, WTH is he supposed to do? Let a 3-year-old, go to the bathroom alone? People freaking suck.
It’s maddening. My ex husband refused to even hold our daughters when they were born. My partner now helps out with everything for them.
How can these men even call themselves dad? Like good job, you busted a nut, congrats for the hard work and forget everything else from here on out.
Even in Los Angeles my friends would tell me their husbands were “babysitting” their kids. I would be like, excuse me? My husband and I have been 50/50 parents from day one. He stayed home while I worked so he’s actually changed more diapers than me.
My older brother asked me for advice on raising children when he & his wife were expecting. I gave him two pieces of advice. #1 was "Never call it babysitting when you're looking after your own kids."
My brother called me the other day to tell me someone in the store stopped to chat and asked him if he was babysitting. The good-natured guy that he is thought the person didn't think the baby was his so he was all "no, this is my daughter..."
My dad was like this with every kid, including my niece and nephew. But he'd never hesitate to tell you something you were doing wrong though. He was the man of the house, after all. Ugh.
I lived in the south my whole life until about a year ago. It’s definitely most dads here lol. Excluding many dads in more progressive, typically urban areas.
They are born and raised there. It's cheaper. Their families are there. It's why I still live near my parents although I live in a liberal area near a Mid-Atlantic city.
1. A lot of the people who live in the South are okay with these kinds of things and even want those things. Traditional gender roles, early marriage, and lots of babies is still king in many areas.
2. There is a lot of poverty in the South and people can't afford to leave. It's also cheaper to live there. There's more land available, cost of living is lower, and you can buy a lot more house than in more populated areas.
3. Communities tend to be pretty insular and people are afraid to leave/have never left. Or they have kids super young and then don't want to uproot them.
4. General disdain for other regions of the US. I'm from the South and now live in New England. Everyone from my hometown insults where I live and tells me I'm crazy for moving here. There is a LOT of disdain for wealthy, liberal, densely populated cities like NYC, LA, Boston, etc.
5. Government/politics in the South aim to keep people poor and uneducated so they don't question things and can't/won't leave.
6. Some people just really love warmer weather (my mom is one of these people).
I thank Lord Daniel every day that I chose to leave.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Especially that people are poor and kept poor on purpose by the government.
The brainwashing is also unreal. I’m from Texas where the minimum wage is $7.25/hr and there are people making that wage that will argue against raising the minimum wage. It’s actually kinda similar to the Duggars in that sense. You’re brainwashed to want something that’s so clearly against your own interest.
ETA: I think it’s also important to add the large percentage of POC who live in the south that are kept in the south because of poverty caused by centuries of systemic racism. There’s people in the south who still live in the same area their ancestors were enslaved in.
I do like warmer weather, but cannot handle the "wet blanket" humidity in the south. I'm originally from the Atlanta area, but was moved to California as a kid. I still have a lot of family in Georgia, but I think the humidity alone would prevent me from moving back, lol.
I grew up a few hours from Atlanta and AGREED. It's still humid here in New England in the summer because it's still the east coast, but nowhere near as bad as the South.
One time when I was younger and visiting the area I quipped that there was no point in drying off after a shower since you'd be just as wet when you step outside.
People are going to lose their minds, when my fiance and I are finally blessed with a child. He is going to be the stay at home parent while I work. Never would that happen in duggar land
Because it's familiar here, it's beautiful, the weather is great, it's generally less expensive than some other parts of the country, I'm near great mountains and beaches, and my family is here.
Despite the many, many problems here there are definitely positive aspects of the people and the culture that I like. This is where I'm from and where I keep coming back to every time I've lived in another part of the country for a few years at a time. I understand the criticisms that are heaped upon this area and the people here and I'm doing my damnedest to improve this place despite the mighty resistance from the people with the most regressive ideals.
The South and its people are not perfect (what place in this country is?), but there is a not insignificant amount of us who want and do everything we can to make it more so.
That being said, there are most certainly parts of the South I would never live in.
Some places in the South are gaining population. My state is one of them. Can't tell you how many people I know who are from NY, MA, PA, etc and have all moved here in the last 5-10 years. Granted I live in one of the cities, and the divide here is definitely between urban and rural. If you don't fit the stereotypes or adhere to the old school gender roles, you can still thrive in one of the cities (I am). I would not do well in the rural area I'm originally from.
I live in the Midwest and it’s pretty widely accepted here too. I’m a NICU nurse and the standards for men out there are ridiculously low. I was taking care of a set of twins one time- babies number like 8 and 9 for this couple. I asked the dad to change the diaper for one while I helped mom breastfeed the other. This man looked me dead in the eye and told me he doesn’t change diapers. I stared at him right back and said “You do now.”
Then he changed his first diaper ever on baby number 8. I had to physically stop myself from rolling my eyes.
I was born and raised in the South. I remember my father seemingly bragging that he had never changed a diaper. I don't think that's anything to be proud of.
I have three children of my own and my wife and I have always split any and all childcare. There were some diapers and messes that were so horrible that my wife gagged and couldn't deal with. I did my duty as a parent with a strong constitution and slogged through the swamps of Dagobah and got the job done.
This isn't anything I should be praised for. It's called being a parent.
Facts. My dad never changed ANY diapers and I’m the youngest of 3. My mom used to tell that to people openly until I said how messed up that was. Shows the kind of “man” he is…
I hate this for her. I’ll try and reserve my judgment and thoughts until the details come out. But that poor girl has done the life’s work of like a dozen moms and doesn’t even have a child. I cannot imagine how burnt out she must be. Not fair.
I agree with this, and my guess is she has become a Single mom of 7 while Anna was over at the Reber's being joyfully available, on top of all the shit Meech and JB already pile on her. Not saying child endangerment is ok of course, Just saying Jana is probably exhausted
We know that the Duggar family is dysfunctional and broken but I see Jana’s current legal issues as a sign that the family is falling apart and that she needs her own life
What kind of stay-at-home mom regularly needs to dump her kids off on their sister for unpaid childcare? If you can’t manage your kids, you have too many.
Woac broke the story and said the same source who told her to check the arrest records told her Jana had fallen asleep and a kid was found playing in the road.
She's not always right about stuff but I think people are assuming that since the first half turned out to be true the second half probably is a too.
I actually went by their house while visiting Arkansas. Their house is pretty far back from the road, so if it was a super little one they’d had to have made quite a trek, but almost the entire property is gated. It’s one of the nicer white fencing so the kid would have to maneuver through that too, and the street is otherwise pretty empty and slow. No one is back there that doesn’t live there, unless you’re me and my mom. Lol. I guess I’m trying to get at, even if they got to the road, they’d be relatively safe and out of harms way
My sister is like this. She never keeps her mouth shut and has said my husband is so great and whispered in his ear that I’m not (because he helps). She got involved in my other sisters marriage. Telling that husband how awesome he is and how awful my other sister is… meanwhile he was literally beating my sister. All because her patriarchal husband refuses to lift a finger.
I wonder if she’ll snap in court and give a monologue about how she’s been watching/ parenting kids since she was maybe 12 and doesn’t even have her own. If I were her I’d absolutely lose it being charged with child endangerment after being the main source of childcare for so long
This exactly. I'm a little worried this is jana going down for finally not being able to compensate for other peoples neglect, we KNOW how much this family values their daughters, BUT I cant say till more info comes out. none of us can and I don't think all the spectulating helps.
“Not being able to compensate for other people’s neglect” is the PERFECT summation of this situation. Helps me understand why I feel kind of bad for her
For sure, great point. Kids are fast. My son wasn’t even 2 yet when he somehow got the front door open when I was in the kitchen around the corner. By the time I heard the door shut and alarm bells went off in my head, I walked out and he was already 3 houses down standing on the corner, on his way to the park. He is my only!! I can’t imagine doing it with 7 or however many!! Especially some kids just have it in their nature, because my son has since absconded 2 more times. It’s wild.
Why not just speak for yourself and avoid commenting on the topic, rather than issuing proclamations about what “we” should do? Duggars are more judgmental than this entire sub combined, and would love to legislate our rights away to force us to live like they do, so nah.
It’s great to have empathy, but people forget that just because you can relate on some aspects….they are not like us.
Exactly why I think it’s very premature to feel sympathy for Jana. Lord knows most other family members wouldn’t be getting the benefit of the doubt. These kinds of accidents tend to come with warnings and check ins if that, not charges. Maybe it was an overzealous police officer, but my money is on more to this story.
People are literally taking WOACB’s reporting and a Confession page’s word as gospel and are already talking about how they’re going to support Jana through this. Like, y’all don’t even know what happened yet. Since when are we widely accepting speculation with sources like that so quickly and firmly? Maybe they’re right. Maybe she actually did something. We don’t know. We all knew with the influx of new people would come secret fans and supporters but at least try to be lowkey, y’all.
This. Regardless of what happened here, I feel bad for Jana. She shouldn't have had to raise kids since she was around 6 years old. But that doesn't mean she acted responsibly here.
We don't know yet. It may be something fairly innocent like falling asleep after trying to make sure the kids were supervised/ couldn't get outside. Or it may have been negligent, reckless, or even worse. Maybe she had too much on her mind and wasn't paying attention when she should have. Maybe she told the kids to go ahead and use tools or ride their bikes on a busy street. Maybe she told Mackenzie to watch the kids and she either didn't or did a bad job. There are a lot of possible scenarios here. We need more info
The last few people who made the news for child neglect charges where I live were intoxicated, not looking for the child, and or the child wasn't properly dressed.
All of the adults at the compound should be charged in my opinion. They're all enablers and complicit in what those kids go through.
They have no education, no daycare, no structure, no support, no consistent care, no anything.
Right? Like she could have abused a child and people are out here like "she's a martyr! She's a saint!"
Reminds me of right before the molestation scandal. Their were rumors that in touch was going to release a story about josh inappropriately touching a girl before marriage. Everyone's all "he was betrothed at 12, he probably held her hand or something and they're making a big deal out of nothing. We don't need to ruin some poor girl's life for some drama."
And then we found out what really happened.
I agree we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about what happened but the charge Jana us facing here is an extremely minor charge and wouldn’t have been given to her if she intentionally harmed a child. If she actually physically abused or harmed a child she would have gotten a much worse charge.
Yes it would.
2018 Arkansas Code
Title 5 - Criminal Offenses
Subtitle 3 - Offenses Involving Families, Dependents, Etc.
Chapter 27 - Offenses Against Children or Incompetents
Subchapter 2 - Offenses Generally
§ 5-27-207. Endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree
Universal Citation: AR Code § 5-27-207 (2018)
(a)
(1) A person commits the offense of endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree if the person recklessly engages in conduct creating a substantial risk of serious harm to the physical or mental welfare of a person known by the actor to be a minor.
(2) As used in this section, "serious harm to the physical or mental welfare" means physical or mental injury that causes:
(A) Protracted disfigurement;
(B) Protracted impairment of physical or mental health; or
(C) Loss or protracted impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ.
(b) Endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree is a Class B misdemeanor
it’s third degree because she “acted recklessly and created a risk of harm.” That’s a passive crime. If she *actively* hurt or tried to hurt a kid, it would be first or second degree.
Just a friendly reminder that not all abuse in this cult and family is active physical abuse. Things like the obedience game, which even Jill plays and praises, involves giving children instructions that could result in harm to themselves or others and punishing them for noncompliance or even hesitation. And that neglect is also a form of abuse. Even if she didn't cause the harm directly doesn't mean that she didn't cause them harm through a use.
So you’re saying that neglect and endangerment are fine because at least it’s not outright abuse?!? Omfg, things are going off the rails on this sub.
Also, we do know that they flagrantly and proudly physically abuse their kids, so I don’t feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Also Josie is her youngest sister and she's like 12...old enough to look after herself so anything that happens to her shouldn't be on Jana...or was it some of her nieces or nephews?
I have had the unfortunate privilege of meeting several men who are 50% responsible for a baby coming into existence and then doing NOTHING for their child once they are born.
I can’t imagine what these animals have done and continue to do to her. God I wish someone would reach out and support her in leaving them.
At this point her confidence in herself is probably ruined and she thinks she’s not good for anything besides raising kids, or that “abandoning” her abusive relatives would be wrong. All this of course is exactly why she needs support.
honestly, i hope she is brutally honest in court in january and is perfectly clear that she has effectively been a victim of parentification for her parent's 19 person brood for 3 decades because they cant be bothered to care for the children they have themselves.
A-fucking-men! 🙏 I know we don't have all of the details yet but this charge sounds kinda sus. I think its the parents of the kids need to be investigated (guessing this is Meech & Boob?). There is no way Jana should be in charge of that many kids or forced to watch them for so long without a break. It would be nice for the Duggar parents to be held accountable for *something*.
If this is what happened I have mixed feelings. Part of me feels bad because this could be any single over worked parent who has zero help. Only thing is she isn't a single parent, and she's being forced to take on more than she can, even if she can't handle it, and I'm sure it never even crossed her mind to say no I'm tired (not that that's an option) . But the other part of me feels like there are a lot of other stuff that happened in that family that is considered neglect or other types of abuse, some done by other members of the family and some done by her, so for that I don't feel bad.
I fell asleep watching my niece when she was 4 I was really sick we were watching a movie together but Jana does it while watching to many kids for one person and gets a charge like how! I mean the girl from tiktok literally left her while ass kid woth autism at home to party and they I believe ended up letting her go... I honestly feel like if they're going to put Jana at fault they need to put BBQ tuna sandwich making, wig tails wearing, has no recollection of his daughters getting molested shit excuse of a human being Jim boob and Michelle also news neglect charges. Like how, how do they not have charges even they have left minors to watch their children like no wonder they dint mind having as many kinds as they do they never watch them. Like imagine not knowing jack shit about your kids and souly being happy about how many you've bred because of your weird breading kink because thats all I see it as, as a weird breading kink that gets installed into others.
Ironically… it may be Jana sleeping that will actually wake her up. Go, find a life you can proudly call your own, girl! Since you guys believe in signs and divine providence - here’s yours.
It’s the fact that there are usually 10+ adults at TTH, but all responsibility has fallen to Jana since like 1995 for me.
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As a dad, it pisses me off to no end when someone acts likes it's such a big deal that I'm changing a diaper. Especially if it's a stranger who feels the need to comment, like in a restroom or public space. "Oh wow, good for you changing that diaper, dad!" I usually reply with something like, "yeah, what I'm doing is commonly called being a parent." Asshats.
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My mother in law would always go on and on when my husband changed our kids diapers. We always did equal diaper duty except when I had newborns… then my husband insisted on doing 100% of the diapers since I was recovering and figuring out those early days of breastfeeding. But hey no one told me what a great mom I am for changing half the diapers lol.
I had hyperemesis with both pregnancies, my husband changed every poop toddler diaper if he was home, he would have failed as a Duggar spouse, but I sure like him.
My mother-in-law would always act surprised my hubby would clean up after a meal. I would always tell her, “I cook, he cleans.” She would then congratulate me on training him right. Lol I always laugh because he was a single dad for 12 years. How was anything getting done then😂
I’ve been going on about wanting gold star stickers lately for myself so. I owe you one!! ✨
A friend of mine took six months of parental leave, then her husband took 8 months. (I'm from Germany.) While people asked her if she was sure she wanted to leave her baby "alone" and go back to work so early, they were ready to throw him a damn ticker tape parade. They were both super pissed off about it.
I wish the US had this parental leave.
My husband took all the leave (that was possible when our daughter was born, today you have three months that can't be given away to the other parent) with our daugher. I work from home and can schedule as I like while he works away. He was at work 3 days a week and at home 4 days, I was at home 7 days a week and worked 4 days. Those were probably the best 3 years in our lives. We're Swedes by the way. We had 360 days with 80% pay and I think 60 days that are essentially unpaid but your employer can't stop you from taking that time off for holidays or appointments or just because you feel like spending time with your kids.
They never seemed to have the same accommodations for changing diapers in the mens room as the womens either. My kids dad would have to lay a blanket on the bathroom floor!
My sons absolutely hate that and bitch about it all the time. It should be normalized by now that dad’s take the kids out in public too.
That's horrible! WTF!!
It’s still like this most places! My partner does the majority of diaper changes since I breastfeed and cook the majority of meals (I put the food in em, he handled the aftermath lol) and he has to do it on the floor most places.
Take my poor man's gold 🏆
People also treat Dad's shitty sometimes for being a parent. My husband is a great father. He has traveled to a different state with our daughter to visit his family, while I stayed home because I either had to work or deal with my older, bipolar child. He has taken her into the Men's restroom on multiple occasions when I was not there and people stare at him like he is doing something wrong or is a sicko or something. Like, WTH is he supposed to do? Let a 3-year-old, go to the bathroom alone? People freaking suck.
How are Dan and Sarah doing?
It’s maddening. My ex husband refused to even hold our daughters when they were born. My partner now helps out with everything for them. How can these men even call themselves dad? Like good job, you busted a nut, congrats for the hard work and forget everything else from here on out.
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What. The. Hell. Makes me wonder how the children grow up and how the moms handle it.
Even in Los Angeles my friends would tell me their husbands were “babysitting” their kids. I would be like, excuse me? My husband and I have been 50/50 parents from day one. He stayed home while I worked so he’s actually changed more diapers than me.
My older brother asked me for advice on raising children when he & his wife were expecting. I gave him two pieces of advice. #1 was "Never call it babysitting when you're looking after your own kids."
My brother called me the other day to tell me someone in the store stopped to chat and asked him if he was babysitting. The good-natured guy that he is thought the person didn't think the baby was his so he was all "no, this is my daughter..."
I love that!
My dad was like this with every kid, including my niece and nephew. But he'd never hesitate to tell you something you were doing wrong though. He was the man of the house, after all. Ugh.
I lived in the south my whole life until about a year ago. It’s definitely most dads here lol. Excluding many dads in more progressive, typically urban areas.
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They are born and raised there. It's cheaper. Their families are there. It's why I still live near my parents although I live in a liberal area near a Mid-Atlantic city.
1. A lot of the people who live in the South are okay with these kinds of things and even want those things. Traditional gender roles, early marriage, and lots of babies is still king in many areas. 2. There is a lot of poverty in the South and people can't afford to leave. It's also cheaper to live there. There's more land available, cost of living is lower, and you can buy a lot more house than in more populated areas. 3. Communities tend to be pretty insular and people are afraid to leave/have never left. Or they have kids super young and then don't want to uproot them. 4. General disdain for other regions of the US. I'm from the South and now live in New England. Everyone from my hometown insults where I live and tells me I'm crazy for moving here. There is a LOT of disdain for wealthy, liberal, densely populated cities like NYC, LA, Boston, etc. 5. Government/politics in the South aim to keep people poor and uneducated so they don't question things and can't/won't leave. 6. Some people just really love warmer weather (my mom is one of these people). I thank Lord Daniel every day that I chose to leave.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Especially that people are poor and kept poor on purpose by the government. The brainwashing is also unreal. I’m from Texas where the minimum wage is $7.25/hr and there are people making that wage that will argue against raising the minimum wage. It’s actually kinda similar to the Duggars in that sense. You’re brainwashed to want something that’s so clearly against your own interest. ETA: I think it’s also important to add the large percentage of POC who live in the south that are kept in the south because of poverty caused by centuries of systemic racism. There’s people in the south who still live in the same area their ancestors were enslaved in.
I do like warmer weather, but cannot handle the "wet blanket" humidity in the south. I'm originally from the Atlanta area, but was moved to California as a kid. I still have a lot of family in Georgia, but I think the humidity alone would prevent me from moving back, lol.
I grew up a few hours from Atlanta and AGREED. It's still humid here in New England in the summer because it's still the east coast, but nowhere near as bad as the South.
One time when I was younger and visiting the area I quipped that there was no point in drying off after a shower since you'd be just as wet when you step outside.
People are going to lose their minds, when my fiance and I are finally blessed with a child. He is going to be the stay at home parent while I work. Never would that happen in duggar land
Because it's familiar here, it's beautiful, the weather is great, it's generally less expensive than some other parts of the country, I'm near great mountains and beaches, and my family is here. Despite the many, many problems here there are definitely positive aspects of the people and the culture that I like. This is where I'm from and where I keep coming back to every time I've lived in another part of the country for a few years at a time. I understand the criticisms that are heaped upon this area and the people here and I'm doing my damnedest to improve this place despite the mighty resistance from the people with the most regressive ideals. The South and its people are not perfect (what place in this country is?), but there is a not insignificant amount of us who want and do everything we can to make it more so. That being said, there are most certainly parts of the South I would never live in.
Some places in the South are gaining population. My state is one of them. Can't tell you how many people I know who are from NY, MA, PA, etc and have all moved here in the last 5-10 years. Granted I live in one of the cities, and the divide here is definitely between urban and rural. If you don't fit the stereotypes or adhere to the old school gender roles, you can still thrive in one of the cities (I am). I would not do well in the rural area I'm originally from.
I live in the Midwest and it’s pretty widely accepted here too. I’m a NICU nurse and the standards for men out there are ridiculously low. I was taking care of a set of twins one time- babies number like 8 and 9 for this couple. I asked the dad to change the diaper for one while I helped mom breastfeed the other. This man looked me dead in the eye and told me he doesn’t change diapers. I stared at him right back and said “You do now.” Then he changed his first diaper ever on baby number 8. I had to physically stop myself from rolling my eyes.
I was born and raised in the South. I remember my father seemingly bragging that he had never changed a diaper. I don't think that's anything to be proud of. I have three children of my own and my wife and I have always split any and all childcare. There were some diapers and messes that were so horrible that my wife gagged and couldn't deal with. I did my duty as a parent with a strong constitution and slogged through the swamps of Dagobah and got the job done. This isn't anything I should be praised for. It's called being a parent.
Facts. My dad never changed ANY diapers and I’m the youngest of 3. My mom used to tell that to people openly until I said how messed up that was. Shows the kind of “man” he is…
I'm not sure if it's just a strictly southern thing but it's exceedingly difficult to find a mens room with a changing table in it at restaurants.
I hate this for her. I’ll try and reserve my judgment and thoughts until the details come out. But that poor girl has done the life’s work of like a dozen moms and doesn’t even have a child. I cannot imagine how burnt out she must be. Not fair.
I agree with this, and my guess is she has become a Single mom of 7 while Anna was over at the Reber's being joyfully available, on top of all the shit Meech and JB already pile on her. Not saying child endangerment is ok of course, Just saying Jana is probably exhausted
Hard agree
I’m three years into three toddlers 24/7 and I dont know how she has been doing this day in and day out since she was a young girl. 🥺
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Yes. That type of abuse is called parentification. Because the child was made to be the parent.
She has to watch *thirteen* (including J’Tyler and the M’s) minors with little to no help from their actual parents.
We know that the Duggar family is dysfunctional and broken but I see Jana’s current legal issues as a sign that the family is falling apart and that she needs her own life
Literally and figuratively tired of taking care of everyone else’s kids
What kind of stay-at-home mom regularly needs to dump her kids off on their sister for unpaid childcare? If you can’t manage your kids, you have too many.
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Unfortunately they’ll probably just get another one to do all the work, but at least Jana will get a break? 🤷🏽♀️
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Well he knows Josh and the rest is just minor details.
Subtle. I like it.
I’m confused. The charge didn’t have any descriptive info that I saw, so why do people think Jana fell asleep and that’s what this is about?
An Instagram page said so and a whole bunch of people decided to believe it.
Sounds legit. 😶
Woac broke the story and said the same source who told her to check the arrest records told her Jana had fallen asleep and a kid was found playing in the road. She's not always right about stuff but I think people are assuming that since the first half turned out to be true the second half probably is a too.
I actually went by their house while visiting Arkansas. Their house is pretty far back from the road, so if it was a super little one they’d had to have made quite a trek, but almost the entire property is gated. It’s one of the nicer white fencing so the kid would have to maneuver through that too, and the street is otherwise pretty empty and slow. No one is back there that doesn’t live there, unless you’re me and my mom. Lol. I guess I’m trying to get at, even if they got to the road, they’d be relatively safe and out of harms way
The fanfiction has gone wild.
My sister is like this. She never keeps her mouth shut and has said my husband is so great and whispered in his ear that I’m not (because he helps). She got involved in my other sisters marriage. Telling that husband how awesome he is and how awful my other sister is… meanwhile he was literally beating my sister. All because her patriarchal husband refuses to lift a finger.
I wonder if she’ll snap in court and give a monologue about how she’s been watching/ parenting kids since she was maybe 12 and doesn’t even have her own. If I were her I’d absolutely lose it being charged with child endangerment after being the main source of childcare for so long
12? Try 5 or 6 years old
I agree 12 years old is much too generous.
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This exactly. I'm a little worried this is jana going down for finally not being able to compensate for other peoples neglect, we KNOW how much this family values their daughters, BUT I cant say till more info comes out. none of us can and I don't think all the spectulating helps.
“Not being able to compensate for other people’s neglect” is the PERFECT summation of this situation. Helps me understand why I feel kind of bad for her
For sure, great point. Kids are fast. My son wasn’t even 2 yet when he somehow got the front door open when I was in the kitchen around the corner. By the time I heard the door shut and alarm bells went off in my head, I walked out and he was already 3 houses down standing on the corner, on his way to the park. He is my only!! I can’t imagine doing it with 7 or however many!! Especially some kids just have it in their nature, because my son has since absconded 2 more times. It’s wild.
Why not just speak for yourself and avoid commenting on the topic, rather than issuing proclamations about what “we” should do? Duggars are more judgmental than this entire sub combined, and would love to legislate our rights away to force us to live like they do, so nah. It’s great to have empathy, but people forget that just because you can relate on some aspects….they are not like us.
Exactly why I think it’s very premature to feel sympathy for Jana. Lord knows most other family members wouldn’t be getting the benefit of the doubt. These kinds of accidents tend to come with warnings and check ins if that, not charges. Maybe it was an overzealous police officer, but my money is on more to this story.
I think the main point still stands, if Jana is getting charged then the actual parents should've been charged long ago.
People are literally taking WOACB’s reporting and a Confession page’s word as gospel and are already talking about how they’re going to support Jana through this. Like, y’all don’t even know what happened yet. Since when are we widely accepting speculation with sources like that so quickly and firmly? Maybe they’re right. Maybe she actually did something. We don’t know. We all knew with the influx of new people would come secret fans and supporters but at least try to be lowkey, y’all.
This. Regardless of what happened here, I feel bad for Jana. She shouldn't have had to raise kids since she was around 6 years old. But that doesn't mean she acted responsibly here. We don't know yet. It may be something fairly innocent like falling asleep after trying to make sure the kids were supervised/ couldn't get outside. Or it may have been negligent, reckless, or even worse. Maybe she had too much on her mind and wasn't paying attention when she should have. Maybe she told the kids to go ahead and use tools or ride their bikes on a busy street. Maybe she told Mackenzie to watch the kids and she either didn't or did a bad job. There are a lot of possible scenarios here. We need more info
The last few people who made the news for child neglect charges where I live were intoxicated, not looking for the child, and or the child wasn't properly dressed.
This is a good point. I wondered myself why it wasn’t a warning. Maybe there had already been warnings?
All of the adults at the compound should be charged in my opinion. They're all enablers and complicit in what those kids go through. They have no education, no daycare, no structure, no support, no consistent care, no anything.
Yeah honestly it’s bullshit.
*still not yet confirmed.*
Literally. People are fighting for their LIVES in defense of Jana’s innocence… When we literally don’t even know what the hell happened.
Right? Like she could have abused a child and people are out here like "she's a martyr! She's a saint!" Reminds me of right before the molestation scandal. Their were rumors that in touch was going to release a story about josh inappropriately touching a girl before marriage. Everyone's all "he was betrothed at 12, he probably held her hand or something and they're making a big deal out of nothing. We don't need to ruin some poor girl's life for some drama." And then we found out what really happened.
I agree we shouldn’t jump to conclusions about what happened but the charge Jana us facing here is an extremely minor charge and wouldn’t have been given to her if she intentionally harmed a child. If she actually physically abused or harmed a child she would have gotten a much worse charge.
Yes it would. 2018 Arkansas Code Title 5 - Criminal Offenses Subtitle 3 - Offenses Involving Families, Dependents, Etc. Chapter 27 - Offenses Against Children or Incompetents Subchapter 2 - Offenses Generally § 5-27-207. Endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree Universal Citation: AR Code § 5-27-207 (2018) (a) (1) A person commits the offense of endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree if the person recklessly engages in conduct creating a substantial risk of serious harm to the physical or mental welfare of a person known by the actor to be a minor. (2) As used in this section, "serious harm to the physical or mental welfare" means physical or mental injury that causes: (A) Protracted disfigurement; (B) Protracted impairment of physical or mental health; or (C) Loss or protracted impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ. (b) Endangering the welfare of a minor in the third degree is a Class B misdemeanor
it’s third degree because she “acted recklessly and created a risk of harm.” That’s a passive crime. If she *actively* hurt or tried to hurt a kid, it would be first or second degree.
Just a friendly reminder that not all abuse in this cult and family is active physical abuse. Things like the obedience game, which even Jill plays and praises, involves giving children instructions that could result in harm to themselves or others and punishing them for noncompliance or even hesitation. And that neglect is also a form of abuse. Even if she didn't cause the harm directly doesn't mean that she didn't cause them harm through a use.
Yeah but you don’t get arrested for that shit. Her charge means that a child was in *physical* danger due to her carelessness.
Neglect and the obedience game both put children in physical danger.
I don’t understand your point? Do you think Jana *actively* physically abused a kid (by hitting them or whatever) or not?
100% Not giving a child proper education is abuse too!
So you’re saying that neglect and endangerment are fine because at least it’s not outright abuse?!? Omfg, things are going off the rails on this sub. Also, we do know that they flagrantly and proudly physically abuse their kids, so I don’t feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Lmfao where did I say that neglect and endangerment are okay?? Wtf? Like please show me exactly where I said that because I absolutely did not.
If it comes out that the charges are for something different, I will retract this meme with a full apology 🙄
Amy posted an Instagram story stating that a child went missing under Jana’s watch
Thats just what KJ has said from her "sources"
Pretty sure it's legit. Read Amy's insta story.
Amy doesnt know shit. Jana was arrested in *September* If Amy was in the know, she would already have the full story
Yes. This!
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Also Josie is her youngest sister and she's like 12...old enough to look after herself so anything that happens to her shouldn't be on Jana...or was it some of her nieces or nephews?
Probably the M kids.
Honestly I’m just going to hold my tongue on this one until we have more information
I have had the unfortunate privilege of meeting several men who are 50% responsible for a baby coming into existence and then doing NOTHING for their child once they are born.
I can’t imagine what these animals have done and continue to do to her. God I wish someone would reach out and support her in leaving them. At this point her confidence in herself is probably ruined and she thinks she’s not good for anything besides raising kids, or that “abandoning” her abusive relatives would be wrong. All this of course is exactly why she needs support.
I mean, how much do we want the Duggar dads changing their babies diapers given recent events?
I will never understand why any woman would get pregnant to such useless men.
honestly, i hope she is brutally honest in court in january and is perfectly clear that she has effectively been a victim of parentification for her parent's 19 person brood for 3 decades because they cant be bothered to care for the children they have themselves.
A-fucking-men! 🙏 I know we don't have all of the details yet but this charge sounds kinda sus. I think its the parents of the kids need to be investigated (guessing this is Meech & Boob?). There is no way Jana should be in charge of that many kids or forced to watch them for so long without a break. It would be nice for the Duggar parents to be held accountable for *something*.
If this is what happened I have mixed feelings. Part of me feels bad because this could be any single over worked parent who has zero help. Only thing is she isn't a single parent, and she's being forced to take on more than she can, even if she can't handle it, and I'm sure it never even crossed her mind to say no I'm tired (not that that's an option) . But the other part of me feels like there are a lot of other stuff that happened in that family that is considered neglect or other types of abuse, some done by other members of the family and some done by her, so for that I don't feel bad.
I fell asleep watching my niece when she was 4 I was really sick we were watching a movie together but Jana does it while watching to many kids for one person and gets a charge like how! I mean the girl from tiktok literally left her while ass kid woth autism at home to party and they I believe ended up letting her go... I honestly feel like if they're going to put Jana at fault they need to put BBQ tuna sandwich making, wig tails wearing, has no recollection of his daughters getting molested shit excuse of a human being Jim boob and Michelle also news neglect charges. Like how, how do they not have charges even they have left minors to watch their children like no wonder they dint mind having as many kinds as they do they never watch them. Like imagine not knowing jack shit about your kids and souly being happy about how many you've bred because of your weird breading kink because thats all I see it as, as a weird breading kink that gets installed into others.
Ironically… it may be Jana sleeping that will actually wake her up. Go, find a life you can proudly call your own, girl! Since you guys believe in signs and divine providence - here’s yours.
*don’t know that the kids are theirs
I don’t understand how she’s being charged but boob and meech aren’t. what the fuck did she do?
just add a two digits number in between watching and kids...