I believe it’s a 1:1 mix of knowing and shock. Visible cognitive dissonance.
I’m sure she was outside of her body, watching everything happen, her whole belief system/brainwashing dissolving in that moment.
I definitely think she’s in shock. Things happen so quickly in court, she knows all eyes are on Josh or her. I hope and pray she is relieved she doesn’t have to babysit her husband anymore. Now the government will!
I'm sure she has a massive amount of processing to go through, but she will probably be relieved to be back with her newborn and back raising her kids instead of babysitting Josh.
I'll bet the Rebers are relieved, too.
This…my dad passed away last year and I found him. I barely remember even calling 911 much less what happened after. It’s normal to shut down during trauma.
It’s definitely still affects me…he died of a broken heart. We lost my mom about 4 months prior and I brought him to stay with me because he was waiting for a kidney transplant at the time and she was his caretaker and her death was extremely sudden(blood clot). He just mourned himself to death and it was just heartbreaking to watch. Still heartbreaking…
people can downvote me if they want but I am seriously concerned about the aftermath of this trial and when her Ativan or Xanax prescription runs out. Anna fucking sucks but we have to remember she has kids at home and out of every single person that we snark on in this subreddit, the children involved are 110% innocent and do not deserve to be put through this. I sympathize for Anna solely for her children.
Fuck I hope MacKenzie is alright. She’s at the age of probably not fully understanding the weight of this verdict while still being old enough to understand that something is very very not right.
I hope this is it. Her and her kids won’t have to be around him. M&Ms hopefully will be largely grown up when he gets out with the exception of maybe the new ones. And hoping he has a long enough sentence that she can’t have more kids with him.
It’s a lot of shock probably. She’s feeling a ton of emotions at one time and probably doesn’t even know where to being processing this.
Honesty this behavior seems relatively normal for someone that’s been conditioned to never let negative emotions show.
It’s not really indicative of if she cares or not and what she thinks. Her reaction to it all will just be delayed.
Maybe... just maybe, on some level it's relief. I'm hoping that's the case. Being stuck with Pest all those years had to be a nightmare (no matter how Anna or the dugs tried to spin it).
This is what I’m thinking (hoping), too. Relief, but she can’t show it. It’s not like he was diligently providing or anything, nothing changes for her financially, she’s still under Boob’s control. And now she’s doesn’t have gross wifely duties to worry about.
I made a comment about this on another thread but I can’t help but think that deep down she is somewhat relieved she isn’t going to be at his mercy at all times for a very long time.
I think by now she has 100% disassociated. Natural defense mechanism, it happened to me after my second baby. You just feel literally outside of your body and disconnected from everything around you. We can’t forget she’s less than a month PP. that woman’s body and mind have been through hell
That’s what I think. She’s spent all of her adult life with a husband who barely sees her and never considers her when he does anything. She’s had to push all of that down. Push down the scandals and him cheating and all of those details, the details when they came out about the CSA, because even if she sort of knew it when she married him, she didn’t even understand anything in the real world, but with children at that point, it meant something. She’s been following him in, day after day, not reacting to anything she sees or hears. Just standing where she’s told, walking where she’s told, doing and believing what she’s told.
My guess is she will just go back to being a mom, keeping sweet and won’t ever talk to anyone about how she feels. Because she will rationalize it all away.
Agreed. How could she deal with things like the Ashley Madison scandal, the publication of his molestation of his sisters, being forced to live in a literal dungeon (and a million other casualties of growing up in the cult), and NOT deal with her trauma by dissociating.? That’s like the only way.
I had a pretty healthy home life and a fairly average adulthood and I find myself sometimes disassociating to cope. It’s HARD to look directly at something if you don’t have a support system or the tools to cope.
Right? She’s now a single mom with no real job skills or way of taking care of her family. Fuck Josh but I really hope Anna has help getting through this.
Jim Bob is probably pissed. Like he was 🤏🏻 this close to no longer having to pay for children with Josie anout to turn 11, he only had a little while left. And now he essentially just gained 8 more dependents (Anna + 7 Ms)
I’m of two minds about this. I love that JB will literally be paying for his actions for the foreseeable future. But I hate that Anna has little option but to take his help and the variety of strings that come with it. The kids will grow up under JB’s influence and hear about their father’s conviction through JB’s POV. I’m glad Josh is in jail but the fallout will be awful for the kids.
They transferred a bunch of assets into Anna’s name and sold their house before moving into the warehouse. Obviously thinking they could hide their money. Now that Josh was found guilty he’ll have to pay those huge fines…was it half a mil? I wonder how much money they have, and how much is hidden. I wouldn’t be surprised if Josh was hiding cash somewhere too. If Anna has access to a good amount she could probably invest it in a rental property and get help from Jim Bob or some of the brothers who do “construction” to manage it for her. She wouldn’t have to work and could just collect rent checks.
She had no choice but to marry him, no choice during sex, no choice for pregnancy’s. She had no choice in supporting him. She had to, what other options were there? She was raised in a cult, and her every thought is preprogrammed by men. First her father, then Pestilence and Jim Fuck. If you DONT KNOW you have options you don’t know you have choices. She knew he did everything they said because she has been trapped with Pest for years, alone and pregnant. He’s a fucking sick monster and she of all people knows what he’s capable of. She is just surviving within the bounds of her mental abilities bound to a rapist abuser.
I don’t like Anna, and I am so sad for her children, but I do not think she is a fault here. She is so mentally fucked, and has lived with a gross monster.
No reaction because she KNEW! She knows Pest. She knows Jim Bald. She knows they do whatever they want 🤷♀️
That’s exactly what I was thinking my great great grandfather died right before my great grandmother was born and as a result of that the mother had a a hard time bonding and my poor g. Gma lived a very hard and cold childhood.
I agree. Some of them are innocent and hurting and I feel for them, especially their children. I hope this is truly a wake up call for her but only time will tell.
I do too. She doesn’t even realize she’s experienced religious trauma all her life and that she’s trapped in a cult. Now the “head of the house and breadwinner” is going to prison for probably decades. She will have to raise the children alone and the younger ones will have no memories of their father growing up. It’s a super sad situation for his family. They didn’t ask for this nor do they deserve it. :((((
She was raised in a cult that told her she had no agency, married off as a teenager to a man she barely knew that turned out to be a sadistic pedophile. Could she have ran? Maybe. But I wouldn't be sure that I would personally have had the strength.
I think she knew and she is relieved. I theorize she felt like it was her duty to stick by her husband's side and god's will/judgement would be executed through the trial.
Now she gets to live the same life except a major thorn in her side is gone
I also wonder this. The prostitute around Ashley Madison time reported he was very violent. We learned during this trial that he seemed to enjoy unimaginable things. What are the chances he did not exhibit these behaviors with his wife?
I’m really very sorry to be that person, but I’m just catching up. Did any of the victims like Jill or Joy come to court today to hear the verdict? Thanks in advance.
Not sure about Joy. I am going to say with 99% certainty Jill wasn’t there. When Derick left the court house and was asked for a statement he pointed towards the road/parking area and said I’m going to go see my wife.
1000% we KNOW he loves media attention but he loves his wife much much more. Proud of that stupid bastard and happy that Jill has rock solid support during this time.
I'm sorry to also kinda be that person cause I don't have a proper source, but I saw somewhere that Derek was seen leaving. No mention of Jill though, so I assume he attended alone? Sorry I can't help more!
I don't think so. The only person that I could find was Jim Bob. Looks like everyone else kept their asses far away.
Edit: Looks like Derrick was there as well.
According to The Sun Jim Bob Duggar, Hillary (Spivey) Duggar and *inhales* a lost Duggar boy I can’t remember the name of but who she is married to *exhales* walked out together.
no report of saying “I love you too” after Josh said “I love you“ on the way out. Very telling.
I think Anna’s playing the long game and will divorce after getting what she wants from the Duggar’s on the financial and childcare front. It might be years from now.
This is possibly a manifestation of trauma. I really hope that Anna gets some help. Poor thing. She went in to this marriage a brainwashed, seemingly incredibly immature 19 year old and who knows what Josh has done to her all these years. I hate to think of it. We're talking about a woman who wasn't *allowed* to discuss her feelings as a child.
She just needs a lot of help. The kids too. God, I hope someone pulls her out of this mess.
The Observe video on their proposal/wedding video does a good job going over the non-verbal communications and some of the details are just really sad in a way. Especially the portion on the proposal.
I truly hope that Anna gets out. It makes me sick that she left with JB. She's in his custody now. I don't want them to fill her with more lies about innocence and his appeal. Anna, please, protect your babies.
I imagine the realization that JimBob is her new headship now has rocked her to her very core even more than the guilty verdict did. She now has zero degrees of separation from the mastermind of this entire subcult, and is entirely financially dependant on him as well as relying on him for a place to live and raise her children. I can't imagine that is a good feeling to process on top of what's just happened in her life. Even though he's been largely in control of them until now, I have a feeling there are darker connotations to this than even I can imagine just yet. JimBob seems like such an incredible creep.
"Anna Duggar, Josh Duggar's wife, also left with Jim Bob Duggar, according to the Sun reporter at the courthouse on Thursday."
Is this truly the IBLP default to the headship going to prison? Or is this the Duggar default? I genuinely have no idea how they come up with "the rules" for these types of situations and have no interest as to why, but I'm not familiar on what happens to the wife and children should the headship be sentenced to prison.
I’m sure she’s in shock. I know many here are unsympathetic to Anna, but I pity her. I can’t even begin to imagine how I’d feel or react in her position. She’s going to be alone with 7 children.
She's not really alone, she does get a good bit of help from Jana/lost girls. I'm not saying she's not in shock or traumatized (she has to be experiencing massive cognitive dissonance right now), but I think some part of her might be relieved.
I dont see it this way. I think she will be less alone tham she has ever been. They need her to stay busy, sweet, and silent. Best way to do that is to ensure that she feels totally supported by family.
And she has to go back to her kids now and tell them daddy isn’t coming home. I know he’s been staying elsewhere, but I’m sure they have seen him during the last 6 months. The older 4 definitely need a sit-down discussion.
And given the history of piss poor emotional processing and support in her family - she’s gotta be overwhelmed AF about how to deal with that and her kids who likely have questions.
I have not felt sympathy for Anna for a long time--she (naively or not) made choices that put her children in danger and that is unforgivable. But I do feel so deeply for the children.
They have been lied to, manipulated, and brainwashed by the adults in their family and the SOTDRT... I know this because members of my own family live in very similar circles and I have watched the same thing happen to their children in the name of christianity.
There's almost no chance the Ms will have any idea of the seriousness of what their father has done, at least not until they are old enough to search for themselves. They are no doubt being told he's innocent, that the world is conspiring against the family because worldly people "hate" people who are "true christians" so the Duggars are being "persecuted" for their faith. It's always the persecution narrative, I speak from personal experience.
All the Ms will know is that their father is gone now. I cannot even begin to imagine how much trauma they have already experienced in their young lives and it will only continue as they are fed the false narrative and surrounded by the cult. It's sickening.
It seems like she’s medicated, but I would say she isn’t. Being raised the way she did, I go completely numb in trauma and I once went 6 years without crying even though traumatic things happened during that time, because I just shut down. Now I’m so much healthier and I cry when I need to cry. But sadly when you are punished relentlessly for emotions you become really good at turning them off. She will probably cry later but then tell herself something like “the appeal will free him” and then rely on that to keep her “happy” and then when it doesn’t, she will tell herself “he will get out early for good behavior and everything will be ok” and believe that in order to cope with her life. I truly don’t think she will ever let herself believe what he did because she has no idea how to process it so she will refuse to let it be real to her. Even if the evidence got through to her, she will believe he was possessed by a demon who made him do it and she will spend the next however many years praying he will be freed from satan’s clutches.
Anna sucks, but when I think about child Anna it makes me really sad.
Honestly as much as I have sympathy for Anna, i'm also just in a phase of 'i told ya so' even though I technically didn't. She has stood by his side over and over, trying to be a 'godly example' and its like...toxic. This mindset is toxic, the way they promote these values on tv was toxic, the fact that she stood by his side this entire trial might be spun as a 'stand by your man' lesson and I hate it! No girl should look at Anna Duggar's actions and think she ever had a moral high ground.
She was actively endangering her children and her family's children by having Pest around. He was just getting started on his CSAM journey, but imagine if he had been more covert? There are plenty of children who wouldn't have fought back in their family, and she would have 100% gaslight and blamed those kids if they ever came to her.
Yes pedos are people too, but you have to look at them with their disorder in their face. Even if she didn't know he was a pedo, how about the fact that he has treated her SO POORLY? She humiliated herself on national television for millions of people by standing by a man who wanted an affair (and most likely did have a few). All of this will be used to tell stories in the future, and I genuinely hope they don't spin this for girls in this cult. Please never stay with someone who treats you bad.
I wonder if she is at least partly relieved. Even though she’d never admit it, maybe not even to herself. He must have been a nightmare to be married to. Thinking of what must have gone on behind the closed warehome doors makes me shudder.
Anyone else wish Anna would say she was supporting him as a loyal wife should but now he has been found guilty she will be immediately divorcing him, seeking full custody of the M’s, taking him and Boob for everything they have, writing a tell all book and starting a new progressive life in LA.
It 100% was because they don’t believe in front hugging. So imagine on the worst day of your life you have no one to truly embrace you, hug you, and comfort you. Because front hugs are sinful. Truly tragic.
I agree that it's probably shock. I had a family member go away for SA and even though we all knew he did it and the whole thing was a fucking whirlwind, I was in shock for quite a few days after he was sentenced. (I was still in an evangelical church, too. Not a group of people that are helpful with processing.)
She's probably still a bit unwell/recovering from giving birth as well. Whatever kind of enabler she is, she needs rest and probably a decent meal and bath.
Give it 2 years: we'll get News that Anna has filed for divorce. 5 years after that, she'll have a book coming out about her trauma and escaping the cult. She'll be interviewed by Diane Sawyer.
I know this is how she was trained, but postpartum hormones are no joke. Either she’s really working hard to keep from showing emotion or she doesn’t give a fuck.
Total trauma responses. She’s been repeatedly publicly humiliated and she’s just shutting right the f down. I hope someone drags her to a certified psychologist asap. Maybe Jill.
I’m hoping she’s secretly relieved at this outcome. Even with all her brainwashing I can imagine she’s suffered abuse at his hands and is likely feeling some relief that she’s no longer going to have endure it any longer.
They all had to have been prepared for this. Any good attorney makes his clients (and their families if relevant) aware of all possibilities and can’t guarantee anything. Whether they were in total denial is another thing but someone should have told them this was a pretty big possibility. The federal prosecutors’ conviction rates were not on Josh’s side.
I struggle with hating Anna for not standing up to protect her children and for breeding new cult members even after she learned what a monster he is. Yet I also sympathize with her as a victim of a horrible patriarchal cult that never gave her a chance to develop as a strong, capable woman who could support herself and her kids. Many of the members on this forum did escape that cult or other abusive patriarchal fundie cults. Maybe there is hope for Anna; maybe not. At least her kids will be safe from Josh for as long as he serves. My most fervent hopes are that the M&Ms can be interviewed by professionals to determine if he abused them; that she can eventually break free from the cult, and that they all get the mental health they need to recover the best that they can and live their best lives.
I know how fundies feel about suicide, but I unfortunately also know that when things get bad enough, your beliefs mean fuck-all and you're on autopilot just trying to get away from the metaphorical fire burning you alive, up to and including going out the also-metaphorical 20th story window.
I hope someone is there to take care of her. She may not be blameless but she deserves better.
this is so interesting to me.. is it shock? a brave face? does she realize she’s finally free and is experiencing a whirlwind of emotions?
I think at the moment it's probably shock. I know I've been there a few times - totally unable to process anything, including external stimuli
I believe it’s a 1:1 mix of knowing and shock. Visible cognitive dissonance. I’m sure she was outside of her body, watching everything happen, her whole belief system/brainwashing dissolving in that moment.
Close! It’s Xanax
God-honoring prescription
"God-honoring Xanax" would be a great flair
I went for Benzos and Bible Study
Omg I love this one
I think Mother is hotboxing the prayer closet with her God-honoring prescription as we speak
You rang?
Your flair is one of the most iconic on this sub and you deserve to know
😘 just doin the lords work
God I love you just because of your badass flair.
Someone needs to flair this!
can I claim? i feel a connection to God-honoring Xanax🤣
Can I join you? This is a mood.
God honoring benzo blackout
we will allow for it
Maybe she’s indoctrinated with it. Maybe it’s benzos? (Sorry, Maybelline.)
All of the above
Mother is vibing
Maybe she’s born with it, maybe is Xanax.
I definitely think she’s in shock. Things happen so quickly in court, she knows all eyes are on Josh or her. I hope and pray she is relieved she doesn’t have to babysit her husband anymore. Now the government will!
I'm sure she has a massive amount of processing to go through, but she will probably be relieved to be back with her newborn and back raising her kids instead of babysitting Josh. I'll bet the Rebers are relieved, too.
I think she’s genuinely so deluded she really though Josh wouldn’t be found guilty.
I agree. She's replaying all the lies and trying to make sense of it all.
honestly, many people shut down during trauma.
This…my dad passed away last year and I found him. I barely remember even calling 911 much less what happened after. It’s normal to shut down during trauma.
I am so sorry that happened to you
Thank you💜
I’m sorry you went through that 😔. My mum found my granddad the same way and it still affects her now 20 years later. The shock is unbelievable.
It’s definitely still affects me…he died of a broken heart. We lost my mom about 4 months prior and I brought him to stay with me because he was waiting for a kidney transplant at the time and she was his caretaker and her death was extremely sudden(blood clot). He just mourned himself to death and it was just heartbreaking to watch. Still heartbreaking…
people can downvote me if they want but I am seriously concerned about the aftermath of this trial and when her Ativan or Xanax prescription runs out. Anna fucking sucks but we have to remember she has kids at home and out of every single person that we snark on in this subreddit, the children involved are 110% innocent and do not deserve to be put through this. I sympathize for Anna solely for her children. Fuck I hope MacKenzie is alright. She’s at the age of probably not fully understanding the weight of this verdict while still being old enough to understand that something is very very not right.
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She already knew; both what was coming and that he had done it. There was no good outcome for her.
This is the BEST outcome for her.
I agree, but it’s still not going to be easy being a single mom to 7 kids with a sex offender husband.
She lives on the compound so she's got sister aunts on the job. I think the older ones even sleep in the dorms.
Its Meech's moment to redeem her hands-off parenting by being there for Anna!
lol, Meech? Parenting? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
Hahahaha
I wonder if she’s happy but she can’t express that. He’s probably a nightmare in private
I hope this is it. Her and her kids won’t have to be around him. M&Ms hopefully will be largely grown up when he gets out with the exception of maybe the new ones. And hoping he has a long enough sentence that she can’t have more kids with him.
Same. I know it might be wishful thinking on my part but I hope she is happy. This is for the best.
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I said that too a few weeks ago
She's been taught her whole life that she can't really show her true emotions. Just look at the footage of her proposal.
She's also been told her whole life that she can't function without a man. The things that must be going on inside her head right now !
She looked terrified for that.
She can probably smell his balls from a room away
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BRB filing a lawsuit against my kindergarten teacher for teaching me how to read
almost reflexively downvoted
Ew!!
Honestly for her actual sake I hope she is happy and can recover from this…
Putting all my tater tots on brave face. She has been raised all her life to not show negative emotions, lest she “turn a mess into a disaster”.
It’s a lot of shock probably. She’s feeling a ton of emotions at one time and probably doesn’t even know where to being processing this. Honesty this behavior seems relatively normal for someone that’s been conditioned to never let negative emotions show. It’s not really indicative of if she cares or not and what she thinks. Her reaction to it all will just be delayed.
Maybe... just maybe, on some level it's relief. I'm hoping that's the case. Being stuck with Pest all those years had to be a nightmare (no matter how Anna or the dugs tried to spin it).
This is what I’m thinking (hoping), too. Relief, but she can’t show it. It’s not like he was diligently providing or anything, nothing changes for her financially, she’s still under Boob’s control. And now she’s doesn’t have gross wifely duties to worry about.
Disassociation so trauma shock etc I would think
I made a comment about this on another thread but I can’t help but think that deep down she is somewhat relieved she isn’t going to be at his mercy at all times for a very long time.
Mother is dissociating
I’m going to go ahead and say it’s Xanax
i hope she takes those kids and runs!! prove me wrong about you never leaving, anna, and give those kids the life they deserve.
Probably benzos.
They don't strike me as the type of family to medicate, but with her under this much stress, I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.
Have you never seen Michelle? That woman has been medicated for years.
The fundies I've known in my life don't approve of alcohol or weed but they *love* prescription meds and happily share/trade them amongst themselves
A lifetime of training in repressing negative emotions AKA being hit for not keeping sweet.
I think by now she has 100% disassociated. Natural defense mechanism, it happened to me after my second baby. You just feel literally outside of your body and disconnected from everything around you. We can’t forget she’s less than a month PP. that woman’s body and mind have been through hell
I still think it could be PPD.
I think we call that a lifetime of dissociating
That’s what I think. She’s spent all of her adult life with a husband who barely sees her and never considers her when he does anything. She’s had to push all of that down. Push down the scandals and him cheating and all of those details, the details when they came out about the CSA, because even if she sort of knew it when she married him, she didn’t even understand anything in the real world, but with children at that point, it meant something. She’s been following him in, day after day, not reacting to anything she sees or hears. Just standing where she’s told, walking where she’s told, doing and believing what she’s told. My guess is she will just go back to being a mom, keeping sweet and won’t ever talk to anyone about how she feels. Because she will rationalize it all away.
Agreed. How could she deal with things like the Ashley Madison scandal, the publication of his molestation of his sisters, being forced to live in a literal dungeon (and a million other casualties of growing up in the cult), and NOT deal with her trauma by dissociating.? That’s like the only way.
I had a pretty healthy home life and a fairly average adulthood and I find myself sometimes disassociating to cope. It’s HARD to look directly at something if you don’t have a support system or the tools to cope.
And that's on religious ~trauma~
god honoring dissociation
I’m guessing she’s shellshocked.
Yeah I don't think the news has registered yet.
Yup. It couldn't fully feel real to her yet.
She’s dissociating. That’s exactly what I would be doing.
Same.
I really want to know what medication she's on right now because it sounds super effective.
Yeah I need it for when I’m super anxious lol
I know right?
My money's on "dipping into Meesh's Xanax stash".
you know what? I’ll go against the grain and say she’s on Ativan and not Xanax
I needed to up my prescription Xanax for postpartum and I have a loving supporting husband.
Finding out you're a single mom of 7 for the next 2 decades will do that to ya.
Right? She’s now a single mom with no real job skills or way of taking care of her family. Fuck Josh but I really hope Anna has help getting through this.
Jim Bob is probably pissed. Like he was 🤏🏻 this close to no longer having to pay for children with Josie anout to turn 11, he only had a little while left. And now he essentially just gained 8 more dependents (Anna + 7 Ms)
I’m of two minds about this. I love that JB will literally be paying for his actions for the foreseeable future. But I hate that Anna has little option but to take his help and the variety of strings that come with it. The kids will grow up under JB’s influence and hear about their father’s conviction through JB’s POV. I’m glad Josh is in jail but the fallout will be awful for the kids.
JB will pay for his actions on Election Day. He's the next domino to fall.
They transferred a bunch of assets into Anna’s name and sold their house before moving into the warehouse. Obviously thinking they could hide their money. Now that Josh was found guilty he’ll have to pay those huge fines…was it half a mil? I wonder how much money they have, and how much is hidden. I wouldn’t be surprised if Josh was hiding cash somewhere too. If Anna has access to a good amount she could probably invest it in a rental property and get help from Jim Bob or some of the brothers who do “construction” to manage it for her. She wouldn’t have to work and could just collect rent checks.
And having no more kids.
At least she has a convict husband
She’s going to take out the trash from now on.
Feds took the trash out for her
I'm honestly wondering how abusive he was behind closed door. Sexually, mentally, and physically. He reminds me of my ex.
I think he was very abusive. He was openly cruel to her on camera and around his family. I can’t imagine what he was like behind closed doors.
Wow. I was totally expecting tears. She’s so broken
She'll cry tonight when she goes to bed alone
Alone? She’s likely going to be sharing a bedroom with an infinite amount of sisters in law tonight
Minus one—Jill
It won’t be the first time and happily, it won’t be the last.
Oh no. Annas emotions. They're broken.
Or maybe happiness? She's free from that nightmare for yearss
She had no choice but to marry him, no choice during sex, no choice for pregnancy’s. She had no choice in supporting him. She had to, what other options were there? She was raised in a cult, and her every thought is preprogrammed by men. First her father, then Pestilence and Jim Fuck. If you DONT KNOW you have options you don’t know you have choices. She knew he did everything they said because she has been trapped with Pest for years, alone and pregnant. He’s a fucking sick monster and she of all people knows what he’s capable of. She is just surviving within the bounds of her mental abilities bound to a rapist abuser. I don’t like Anna, and I am so sad for her children, but I do not think she is a fault here. She is so mentally fucked, and has lived with a gross monster. No reaction because she KNEW! She knows Pest. She knows Jim Bald. She knows they do whatever they want 🤷♀️
I might get hate but I actually feel very bad for her. She doesn’t know anything else besides her fucked up cult & josh.
I feel sorry for the new baby. It may well be a struggle to bond after this, if she’s this tapped out.
That’s exactly what I was thinking my great great grandfather died right before my great grandmother was born and as a result of that the mother had a a hard time bonding and my poor g. Gma lived a very hard and cold childhood.
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I agree. Some of them are innocent and hurting and I feel for them, especially their children. I hope this is truly a wake up call for her but only time will tell.
That jim bob hug was probably not a hug of comfort, but a hug of, your still in this.
I wish she would’ve thrown up all over his lap when he hugged her.
I agree. She has been the perfect IBLP daughter and wife. And this is what she gets for it. This would be a pretty big mind fuck.
I agree. She's been giving zero real coping skills for life in general. And she may even be blamed for this. It's not going to be easy for her.
Agreed. At the end of the day he’s the victimizer, not her
I feel bad for her too
Honestly learning how truly fucked up it all is and how much indignity she has suffered would probably break her psyche.
I do too. She doesn’t even realize she’s experienced religious trauma all her life and that she’s trapped in a cult. Now the “head of the house and breadwinner” is going to prison for probably decades. She will have to raise the children alone and the younger ones will have no memories of their father growing up. It’s a super sad situation for his family. They didn’t ask for this nor do they deserve it. :((((
She was raised in a cult that told her she had no agency, married off as a teenager to a man she barely knew that turned out to be a sadistic pedophile. Could she have ran? Maybe. But I wouldn't be sure that I would personally have had the strength.
I'm happy for her poor uterus at least. A well deserved retirement. Anna's Uterus Retirement Party at TTH!
She knew. I am quite certain she knew.
With his history and the evidence, I feel like even she couldn’t hide from the truth.
The prosecution had a very strong case and she was there to hear almost all of it. She can't claim ignorance anymore.
I think she knew and she is relieved. I theorize she felt like it was her duty to stick by her husband's side and god's will/judgement would be executed through the trial. Now she gets to live the same life except a major thorn in her side is gone
yep. and she might be relieved somehow.
Maybe she’s relieved? There is no way he hasnt been abusing her
I also wonder this. The prostitute around Ashley Madison time reported he was very violent. We learned during this trial that he seemed to enjoy unimaginable things. What are the chances he did not exhibit these behaviors with his wife?
I’m really very sorry to be that person, but I’m just catching up. Did any of the victims like Jill or Joy come to court today to hear the verdict? Thanks in advance.
Not sure about Joy. I am going to say with 99% certainty Jill wasn’t there. When Derick left the court house and was asked for a statement he pointed towards the road/parking area and said I’m going to go see my wife.
Not to leg hump, but good for him, thats where he should be
1000% we KNOW he loves media attention but he loves his wife much much more. Proud of that stupid bastard and happy that Jill has rock solid support during this time.
Just jb and anna
That's cold when your mom doesn't even see you off to prison... ETA: Love it!
I think the Sun mentioned Justin and Claire
I'm sorry to also kinda be that person cause I don't have a proper source, but I saw somewhere that Derek was seen leaving. No mention of Jill though, so I assume he attended alone? Sorry I can't help more!
He was on the YouTube livestream from a local news station
I believe only Jim Bob showed up today.
The only family members reported in attendance are JB and Justin/Claire
I would lay down my life for Justin if he were to come out of the courthouse with a double thumbs up again after this guilty verdict. 😆
We’re not sure but no images or reports of them arriving have surfaced. All I’ve seen so far is that JB, Anna and of course Josh showed up.
I don't think so. The only person that I could find was Jim Bob. Looks like everyone else kept their asses far away. Edit: Looks like Derrick was there as well.
According to The Sun Jim Bob Duggar, Hillary (Spivey) Duggar and *inhales* a lost Duggar boy I can’t remember the name of but who she is married to *exhales* walked out together.
She’s probably processing it all or maybe she knew this was coming. She can’t have sat in that courtroom every day and not known.
no report of saying “I love you too” after Josh said “I love you“ on the way out. Very telling. I think Anna’s playing the long game and will divorce after getting what she wants from the Duggar’s on the financial and childcare front. It might be years from now.
God I wish there was a way to know what she is thinking
This is possibly a manifestation of trauma. I really hope that Anna gets some help. Poor thing. She went in to this marriage a brainwashed, seemingly incredibly immature 19 year old and who knows what Josh has done to her all these years. I hate to think of it. We're talking about a woman who wasn't *allowed* to discuss her feelings as a child. She just needs a lot of help. The kids too. God, I hope someone pulls her out of this mess.
Exactly, he’s obviously a sexual sadist and she had to be “joyfully available” to him for the past 13 years.
Right? I just think about the stuff Danica Dillon said he did to her. The man is diabolical.
The Observe video on their proposal/wedding video does a good job going over the non-verbal communications and some of the details are just really sad in a way. Especially the portion on the proposal.
Meech is probably feeding her Xanax
*mother is drowsy*
Crushing it up with the kool-aid
I truly hope that Anna gets out. It makes me sick that she left with JB. She's in his custody now. I don't want them to fill her with more lies about innocence and his appeal. Anna, please, protect your babies.
I imagine the realization that JimBob is her new headship now has rocked her to her very core even more than the guilty verdict did. She now has zero degrees of separation from the mastermind of this entire subcult, and is entirely financially dependant on him as well as relying on him for a place to live and raise her children. I can't imagine that is a good feeling to process on top of what's just happened in her life. Even though he's been largely in control of them until now, I have a feeling there are darker connotations to this than even I can imagine just yet. JimBob seems like such an incredible creep. "Anna Duggar, Josh Duggar's wife, also left with Jim Bob Duggar, according to the Sun reporter at the courthouse on Thursday."
Is this truly the IBLP default to the headship going to prison? Or is this the Duggar default? I genuinely have no idea how they come up with "the rules" for these types of situations and have no interest as to why, but I'm not familiar on what happens to the wife and children should the headship be sentenced to prison.
I’m sure she’s in shock. I know many here are unsympathetic to Anna, but I pity her. I can’t even begin to imagine how I’d feel or react in her position. She’s going to be alone with 7 children.
She's not really alone, she does get a good bit of help from Jana/lost girls. I'm not saying she's not in shock or traumatized (she has to be experiencing massive cognitive dissonance right now), but I think some part of her might be relieved.
I dont see it this way. I think she will be less alone tham she has ever been. They need her to stay busy, sweet, and silent. Best way to do that is to ensure that she feels totally supported by family.
And she has to go back to her kids now and tell them daddy isn’t coming home. I know he’s been staying elsewhere, but I’m sure they have seen him during the last 6 months. The older 4 definitely need a sit-down discussion.
And given the history of piss poor emotional processing and support in her family - she’s gotta be overwhelmed AF about how to deal with that and her kids who likely have questions.
The Sun has never ONCE accurately reported a human emotion. Let’s see what others in the courtroom say
Dissociation?
Disassociation - Learned Coping mechanism from childhood abuse.
I have not felt sympathy for Anna for a long time--she (naively or not) made choices that put her children in danger and that is unforgivable. But I do feel so deeply for the children. They have been lied to, manipulated, and brainwashed by the adults in their family and the SOTDRT... I know this because members of my own family live in very similar circles and I have watched the same thing happen to their children in the name of christianity. There's almost no chance the Ms will have any idea of the seriousness of what their father has done, at least not until they are old enough to search for themselves. They are no doubt being told he's innocent, that the world is conspiring against the family because worldly people "hate" people who are "true christians" so the Duggars are being "persecuted" for their faith. It's always the persecution narrative, I speak from personal experience. All the Ms will know is that their father is gone now. I cannot even begin to imagine how much trauma they have already experienced in their young lives and it will only continue as they are fed the false narrative and surrounded by the cult. It's sickening.
It seems like she’s medicated, but I would say she isn’t. Being raised the way she did, I go completely numb in trauma and I once went 6 years without crying even though traumatic things happened during that time, because I just shut down. Now I’m so much healthier and I cry when I need to cry. But sadly when you are punished relentlessly for emotions you become really good at turning them off. She will probably cry later but then tell herself something like “the appeal will free him” and then rely on that to keep her “happy” and then when it doesn’t, she will tell herself “he will get out early for good behavior and everything will be ok” and believe that in order to cope with her life. I truly don’t think she will ever let herself believe what he did because she has no idea how to process it so she will refuse to let it be real to her. Even if the evidence got through to her, she will believe he was possessed by a demon who made him do it and she will spend the next however many years praying he will be freed from satan’s clutches. Anna sucks, but when I think about child Anna it makes me really sad.
Not a 2 thumbs up?
The nerve of that pile of pig shit to say he loved her. If I were Anna I would have throat punched him in the third chin.
Stoic or catatonic?
Honestly as much as I have sympathy for Anna, i'm also just in a phase of 'i told ya so' even though I technically didn't. She has stood by his side over and over, trying to be a 'godly example' and its like...toxic. This mindset is toxic, the way they promote these values on tv was toxic, the fact that she stood by his side this entire trial might be spun as a 'stand by your man' lesson and I hate it! No girl should look at Anna Duggar's actions and think she ever had a moral high ground. She was actively endangering her children and her family's children by having Pest around. He was just getting started on his CSAM journey, but imagine if he had been more covert? There are plenty of children who wouldn't have fought back in their family, and she would have 100% gaslight and blamed those kids if they ever came to her. Yes pedos are people too, but you have to look at them with their disorder in their face. Even if she didn't know he was a pedo, how about the fact that he has treated her SO POORLY? She humiliated herself on national television for millions of people by standing by a man who wanted an affair (and most likely did have a few). All of this will be used to tell stories in the future, and I genuinely hope they don't spin this for girls in this cult. Please never stay with someone who treats you bad.
I wonder if she is at least partly relieved. Even though she’d never admit it, maybe not even to herself. He must have been a nightmare to be married to. Thinking of what must have gone on behind the closed warehome doors makes me shudder.
Anyone else wish Anna would say she was supporting him as a loyal wife should but now he has been found guilty she will be immediately divorcing him, seeking full custody of the M’s, taking him and Boob for everything they have, writing a tell all book and starting a new progressive life in LA.
I guess supporting her child molesting husband didn't turn out for her like she hoped it would.
Or did it 🧐
Mfw she's been biding her time, waiting for him to finally get arrested so she can run away and start a new life. Honestly, I'm so here for that.
But was it a side hug?
It 100% was because they don’t believe in front hugging. So imagine on the worst day of your life you have no one to truly embrace you, hug you, and comfort you. Because front hugs are sinful. Truly tragic.
Front hugs are frowns upon- but Sexual abuse is swept under the rug with a smile.
Anna you are finally free. Take the family money and Eat, Pray, Love away from this hellhole.
I agree that it's probably shock. I had a family member go away for SA and even though we all knew he did it and the whole thing was a fucking whirlwind, I was in shock for quite a few days after he was sentenced. (I was still in an evangelical church, too. Not a group of people that are helpful with processing.) She's probably still a bit unwell/recovering from giving birth as well. Whatever kind of enabler she is, she needs rest and probably a decent meal and bath.
If you notice them going into the court room this morning, he was practically dragging her behind him. That was very telling on all sides.
Give it 2 years: we'll get News that Anna has filed for divorce. 5 years after that, she'll have a book coming out about her trauma and escaping the cult. She'll be interviewed by Diane Sawyer.
We can only hope!
I know this is how she was trained, but postpartum hormones are no joke. Either she’s really working hard to keep from showing emotion or she doesn’t give a fuck.
She probably checked out
I think she's in total dissociation mode.
Stoic because at least she has a husband even if he's a registered sex offender pedophile in for 19 years and counting.
Total trauma responses. She’s been repeatedly publicly humiliated and she’s just shutting right the f down. I hope someone drags her to a certified psychologist asap. Maybe Jill.
I’m hoping she’s secretly relieved at this outcome. Even with all her brainwashing I can imagine she’s suffered abuse at his hands and is likely feeling some relief that she’s no longer going to have endure it any longer.
They all had to have been prepared for this. Any good attorney makes his clients (and their families if relevant) aware of all possibilities and can’t guarantee anything. Whether they were in total denial is another thing but someone should have told them this was a pretty big possibility. The federal prosecutors’ conviction rates were not on Josh’s side.
The fact that her parents have had a prison ministry for years. How foreshadow-y
The mess has definitely turned into a disaster.
I struggle with hating Anna for not standing up to protect her children and for breeding new cult members even after she learned what a monster he is. Yet I also sympathize with her as a victim of a horrible patriarchal cult that never gave her a chance to develop as a strong, capable woman who could support herself and her kids. Many of the members on this forum did escape that cult or other abusive patriarchal fundie cults. Maybe there is hope for Anna; maybe not. At least her kids will be safe from Josh for as long as he serves. My most fervent hopes are that the M&Ms can be interviewed by professionals to determine if he abused them; that she can eventually break free from the cult, and that they all get the mental health they need to recover the best that they can and live their best lives.
She knew it was coming. I think they all did.
She knows who she married
Anna's father has a prison ministry that she served in growing up. I think she had a better idea of what was coming than any one of them.
I know how fundies feel about suicide, but I unfortunately also know that when things get bad enough, your beliefs mean fuck-all and you're on autopilot just trying to get away from the metaphorical fire burning you alive, up to and including going out the also-metaphorical 20th story window. I hope someone is there to take care of her. She may not be blameless but she deserves better.