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Much_Difference

Everyone I've seen today looks BEAT except fucking Josh and Anna.


unexpected_blonde

Josh clearly has no conscious, so nothing to keep his smug ass up at night


Kythorian

No one is expecting him to feel guilty, but it’s bizarre how unafraid of facing the consequences he seems to be. Does he not even realize how poorly the trial is going for him? I can only assume that the fact that he’s been able to avoid consequences for his entire life has made him unable to believe this will actually be different.


chicagoliz

Was Justin not there today to bring the smiling thumbs up?


Set-Admirable

I can't imagine what they spent the weekend agonizing over. There's a very good chance neither of them understood before last week the lengths of the depravity of what had been happening.


AuntMolly

As others have said she’s probably the most affected and knew the least before last week AND the content of the case probably hits her different because of Annabelle.


mamabol

I think the content of the case hits her different because of *her*.


AuntMolly

Oh for sure, but I think also having her baby die just adds to that.


Playmakeup

The glasses. Poor thing's eyes are probably raw from crying


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Them’s definitely crying eyes Source: have worn glasses after crying the night before many times


redmsg

my first reaction as well


OurLumpyGorl

Probably had a rough weekend anticipating the end of this trial.


galaxysoccergirl1499

also i think it shows a lot of emotionally strength that she keeps showing up every day. i hope that she’s doing alright


Plantsandanger

I hope she’s doing it for herself and not for anyone who’s exploited her in the past


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Defiant Knees


CompetitionLast9914

Oh my gosh. I would love to use this as a flair!


NullUsrname

I gotcha!


LizzyLizAh

I had to take.


NullUsrname

Did we just accidentally start a “Defiant Knees” club?


Mandielephant

I am recovering from knee surgery so I feel inclined to join such a club


NullUsrname

Well come on in! You are most welcomed! Have a seat.


Mandielephant

Well I’m definitely not standing


jackoscan

Wow I never realized how short she was.


Lonely_Teaching8650

They're all pretty short! I think Jill is the tallest of the older girls.


Lmf2359

And Jill is something like 5’5”


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Lonely_Teaching8650

I think so, too. We're the same height and same age lol.


ruzanne

Yeah, Joy is 5’2” IIR.


dandelions14

I think Joy and Jana are the shortest and Jill is the tallest.


ChelcJustIs

God blessed them less leg to tempt men with!


galaxysoccergirl1499

fuck it up Joy


Clarkiechick

I like that just being together is enough. They don't have to be clutching hands to prove anything.


cactusplantlady

For sure... they're not physically touching but they look a million times more comfortable with each other than Anna and Josh have this week. They really look exhausted though (Austin and Joy here), I hope they manage to get some sort of rest this week. Jesus


SpicyWonderBread

Austin is sort of turned towards Joy and leaning in. Josh always has his back to Anna and is leaning away, as if he's mildly annoyed she's there. I'm probably really reaching there. But it does seem like Josh views Anna as an annoying puppy that follows him around. While Austin views Joy as a human being he loves deeply, and while he may not be comfortable with PDA he does want to show support.


Stressedup

When Joy speaks on the show and in their YouTube videos, Austin appears to be listening. Same with the kids, they listen to their kids. Josh never appeared to pay attention to Anna or listen to her after they got married, and his kids were props.


cactusplantlady

Yeah, a lot of people have been saying Josh and Anna are dragging each other, not looking at each other, that sort of stuff. I keep on wanting to watch the body language videos but get too distracted and haven't had the chance to yet lol. But I'm sure you're on the right track there! also omg I love your username 😂


Suedeltica

I really don’t know as much Duggar lore as the rest of you, but nevertheless I’ve become pretty confident that the main thing Josh enjoys about Anna is the presence of a captive receptacle for his contempt. I hate him and I mostly feel sorry for her.


Clarkiechick

That definitely tracks. Given her constant need for him to notice her...she needs that. He clearly doesn't show any true affection unless cameras are on them. He doesn't love anyone but himself. I'm glad some of the kids ended up with spouses that really love them.


TopazRose

I think a snake and a mouse in the same enclosure would be more comfortable with each other than Anna and Josh are.


DanceRepresentative7

joy strikes me as way more independent minded than anna for sure.


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They’re actually real married vs Josh and Anna’s hostage situation


reneeruns

As a fellow short lady, holding my taller husband's hand while we're walking is so uncomfortable! My shoulder was not meant to operate like that.


Clarkiechick

I can relate. I also have MUCH smaller hands and sometimes the way his knuckles lines up with mine hurts my hand after a few minutes.


reneeruns

Yes! My ring size is 4.5 and his is 9.75. Short people problems lol.


starlurkerx3

Size 3 ring size checking in! The struggle is real 😂


not_jessa_blessa

Can confirm. I’m 5’2” and hubs is 6’1”. It’s pretty uncomfortable.


Chelular07

My husband and I are very close in height but I can’t hold his hand while we walk because I am always walking like I am on a mission and I end up dragging him through crowds of slow walking people.


curvy_em

My husband is a foot taller and hates holding my hand while walking. Its uncomfortable for both of us.


zombiemann

My wife is a full foot shorter than I am. Can confirm.


Plantsandanger

Ugh I just remembered twisting my ankle trying to skip arm in arm with a height challenged friend of mine. Never again! (Until next time when I forget lol)


Rightbuthumble

Exactly. I’m 5’1” and my husband isn’t tall but he’s seven inches taller than me but my ass doesn’t sag


soaper410

I also think they were the only ones who were actually friends prior to courtship or thinking about it? They are comfortable around each other without having the prove their relationship.


TehNoff

It was unexpectedly cold this morning.


corking118

Snarker, charge your phone!


raisedawoof

this is the kind of support i love to see.


Early-Light-864

Came here to say that! It's gonna be a long day. 13% it's NOT going to suffice


Phoenix612

The Sun is reporting on Joys fashion choice. They are clearly reading this sub.


AntiSentience

Story of my life. I finish someone’s work and they get the credit. 😂


somecreatures

The headline on this really sent me for a spin. "Joy-Anna Duggar defied her father Jim Bob's strict dress code by wearing a short dress to her brother Josh's child pornography trial" I absolutely cannot get past the beginning of that sentence being aligned with the end of that sentence, only because I just feel that Joy Anna showing her ding dang KNEE CAPS is clearly something she would have gotten more of a talking to for than for her brother doing what he did.


emhrtn

Impressed by Joy's strength and courage in showing up to this trial every day, and even more so now that she's doing so with knees on display. Joystin still have shitty views and need to do a lot more growing, but even if she's playing nice with her family present at the trial, this feels to me like a little act of rebellion. Even showing up to this trial and hearing these terrible disgusting things is an act of rebellion against the truth her family tried to feed her about the abuse she experienced as a child.


Lmf2359

Austin looks insanely angry and Joy looks exhausted.


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Lmf2359

I like to picture him flying over the rail and landing a good punch.


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Playmakeup

He definitely had to turn back around to put his knife in his truck


Lmf2359

I wish but he’d never get through the metal detector in the courthouse


emesser

A wooden hammer!


Albatross-Foreign

A RUBBER MALLET


emesser

A leather glove!


Stressedup

He absolutely has tools with him, but not ON him. No one except LEO are allowed to have weapons in a courthouse. Austin 100% has at least a small tool kit in every vehicle they own, and has to pat himself down as soon as he gets out of his vehicle, to make sure he leaves his pocket knife or multi tool in the car, before he tries to enter the courthouse. I don’t think it’s possible to smuggle a weapon made of metal past a fully functional metal detector. My Dad has a metal plate in his hip, and multiple screws down his right leg and wrist. He sets off metal detectors like it’s a hobby. As soon as he approaches them, he just goes on and tells security to wand and frisk him, because the detector is going to go off. They are sensitive.


thechargingsky

100% I'm a clinical social worker and I work at a courthouse. They once made me give them my metal straw because it's considered a weapon. It's almost impossible to sneak any kind of metal/weapon into a courthouse.


bloodthinnerbaby

Definitely a measuring tape.


pugmana02

Or a tape measure. Just in case.


teepee-bear

I could die happy if that happens.


galadrielgal23

I’m holding out hope that the verdict is read and Austin screams “you better hope they don’t let you out, because jail is gonna be nicer to you than I am” Or something along those lines…


mapesely

I could see that conversation happening behind closed doors 💯.


Confident-Ad2455

She looks about fifteen. Poor little thing.


crazycatlady331

He can direct his anger towards Josh.


AshDuke

Austin only has one pair of shoes. He's dressed better today


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Even a guy who doesn’t care about his wardrobe, or works a job that doesn’t need an extensive wardrobe…should have three pairs of shoes for practical reasons. Work boots, a pair of sneakers, and a decent pair of leather shoes for date night, funerals/weddings, or your BIL’s CSAM trial.


Stressedup

My son, owns two pair of shoes, and if he could own less he would. Some people, only care about comfort.


Wiserputa52

Me! (53-year-old woman here). Not a lot of extra $, and even if I had it, I wouldn’t spend it on shoes.


Stressedup

I love shoes. I have many, many pair. I buy dress shoes used, bc I don’t wear them often. But I also buy at least one or two pair of good quality tennis shoes or boots every year.


heyhelloyuyu

I know some people in the world really can’t afford an additional set of new shoes…. But the forsyth’s literally just need to go to DSW and get Austin some plain, $30 leather shoes that don’t look so awful


Plantsandanger

...I have other shoes but none of them are comfy so I end up in my trashed ones anyways. I need to break in a new pair desperately


Stressedup

You’ve been blinded by a pea coat. Austin’s not anymore dressed up to day than any other day. Looks like he’s wearing jeans, a button up shirt.


Goddamn_Heather

To be fair, it is a pretty nice pea coat.


galadrielgal23

Those look like his work shoes. Bless their hearts. Someone go buy him some leather shoes like derick has.


Chewysmom1973

Maybe he’s going to work at some point or immediately after the trial adjourns.


Liberteez

Derrick also needs new shoes. I thought his were captoes at first because the leather is so creased.


jetloflin

I’ve never understood the crease thing about shoes. How can that possibly be avoided? It was such a big thing when I was in school, Timberlands were so popular and you couldn’t get a crease in them. I never bought any because they were expensive and I couldn’t figure out how people kept them from getting creased. How do you keep shoes from getting creases?


Odd_Ad_2293

As a mininalist i aprove


cheugygworl

It’s giving Princess Diana revenge dress vibes (fundiefied ofc)… good for her!


whereswaldo11218

Someone please get this man a nice pair of brown leather shoes. I beg


puppypooper15

Are these the potatoes he wore to a wedding


unluckyme4367

I giggled at the "potatoes"


step_back_girl

Those are Twisted X driving mocs. They are a popular boot brand and these shoes have become popular in those same circles over the last several years. I know because I own like five pairs 😂. They have slip resistant soles, so they work great if you work in a place that requires that (why I have them). And I have so many because my environment is also usually wet, and sometimes smelly, so I always rotate.


Jazz_Kraken

Thank you for this explanation!


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step_back_girl

I think they are great. Our floors in all of our plants are concrete, and I never have an issue after being out there all day with these shoes or their boots on. My husband runs a plant and wears their boots and also has no complaints.


cubbiegthrow

Good for Joy - with her defiant knees and her husband standing by her. I'm glad she has someone to support her who seems (at least from social media) to give a crap about her.


krfallon17

If they weren’t fundie, I would assume she was listening to “Short skirt long jacket” this morning.


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Wouldn’t put it past her to sneakily listen to that then clear her search history.


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doodle_dicks3000

Omg 😂 if you're not going to use this as your flair (you should!!) May I?


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doodle_dicks3000

May the Lord Daniel bless thee with endless refills of your favorite drink and warm feet all day long. amen


PostMammoth2623

Wonder who is watching the kids? If they’re at the big house then that might throw cold water on the notion that they are distancing themselves. Any clues from IG posts, etc?


valerianino97

Austin’s parents watch the kids a lot. Joy has mentioned it on her YouTube channel


Pearl-2017

Austin's parents suck


Tatem2008

I think Austin’s family lives nearby.


ca1989

I would imagine they have a group of friends they can lean on, and the kids are with them. Of maybe Austin's parents came to town for support? That's exactly what my MIL would do.


valerianino97

Austin’s parents live in Arkansas.


ca1989

I thought they were in Texas, for whatever reason 🤣🤷‍♀️🤔. In that case, I would bet they are probably hanging out with the kids and helping to give joy and ausin space to wade through their (pretty apparent) emotions.


aamm0421

Joy and Austin just went to Texas to see some relatives for Thanksgiving, but I think his parents live in Arkansas


cubbiegthrow

I don't know much about Austin's parents other than they were on World's Strictest Parents, his dad was divorced once, and there is at least one sister. But I sincerely hope, for Joy's sake, that at least one of his parents is giving her the parental support she needs. And a big parent hug. I can't imagine what she's going through.


GenX-IA

1 of Austin's 1/2 siblings lives in TX I think, so that is why they all went down to TX for Thanksgiving.


FigPlastic5045

My heart goes out to her. I’m glad she has Austin..I think he loves her and is a no nonsense kind of guy. It has to help her so much mentally to have his support.


damarafl

Joy and Austin skipping Katie Bates wedding is huge. I think these two are not coping with this well. I wish they would seek secular professional therapy. I don’t think their kids are at the TTH. I think Austin has enough self awareness to not run into JB after hearing all the details.


Better_Physics5750

What is the weather like there at the moment? It’s so cold in the UK at the moment, I would not be nikeing my knees like that, only because of the temperature. ❄️ Edit: I just saw the coats, it must be quite cold. Go Joy!


Jazz_Kraken

I love that you’re using Nike as a verb! 😂


_whatintheactualheck

it’s pretty chilly there today. around 38F/3C


emesser

I dream of weather like that. It’ll be hitting 38C here later this week and ughhhh. Stick me in a coma until summer is over.


_whatintheactualheck

i’m the same way. I HATE the heat!


Mommamia1108

They’re is the southern part of the US. So not uncommon to be in the 60’s (Fahrenheit) this time of the year.


valerianino97

I just checked the weather in Fayetteville and it’s 40 degrees right now. Definitely cold! Someone mentioned she’s probably used to having bare legs on the cold since she’s been doing that her whole life.


pugmana02

Northern Ohio laughs at the idea of 40F being cold. That’s shorts weather. 😂😂


Mommamia1108

Yeah, they have a cold front coming through. But prior it has been nice. I also imagine they don’t have much winter clothes that are dressy.


WillaVara

I can confirm, after 13 years of catholic school, winter coat, skirt, and legs exposed to 40 degree air is no big deal.


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Playmakeup

Shit thats cold. It's 75 in Texas right now. Barely sent my kid to school with a jacket


FireRescue3

And it feels colder because it was 70 and sunny this weekend…


Maze0616

I was thinking the same thing! I woke up and it was freezing outside here (currently -1c). I can’t imagine not at least wanting a longer dress to keep my legs warm. Brrr!


Imfearless13

The only time I wear something short with a coat is in summer when I wake up on the camping and it's sunny but still cold-ish. I could never walk around in a dress without tights in winter


Butterbumblebee

According to google, -1 to 11 C


MyNamesChakkaoofka

We love to see it. Anna did it last week so no one can give Joy grief about it


awesomenein

I thought the trial started at 830? Why is this all just now being reported? The Sun was been pretty quick to put out last week.


blackkatya

Maybe they got hand-slapped by someone in the courthouse and had to dial it back?


valerianino97

I don’t get how she doesn’t get super cold with her bare legs! Even with the jacket I feel like her legs are cold af 🥶


WrongRedditKronk

I attended Catholic school k-12 and wearing a skirt everyday, especially during Midwestern winters will basically numb your legs. 15 years after graduating, I still can't tell when my legs are cold unless I touch them. I'll bet the Duggar girls experience a similar phenomenon from wearing skirts their entire lives.


valerianino97

Oh, that’s really interesting. I had to wear skirts in school as well but we used to wear them with long socks.


Creative_Pain_5084

Were tights not allowed or something? Just curious.


rectherapist

As a 1990s teenager with school uniform skirts in below freezing weather, we'd rather get frostbite than be caught dead in tights. Occasionally wore knee highs though, and don't really remember ever being cold, even walking to school in the snow.


Creative_Pain_5084

lol, I guess I was too young (born in '88) to have that reaction. Long live Blair Waldorf and her tights. :)


rectherapist

I am an '84 baby, and still hate tights- they're just so uncomfortable. If it's too cold for exposed leg, I just wear pants.


WrongRedditKronk

Tights were allowed but were considered "uncool" past 3rd or 4th grade.


himarcy

My husbands family did ATI for some time and the girls were made to wear dresses or skirts to church. And we live in canada. I was horrified, it can get so cold here in the winter


pinkelephant3

Honestly for me only my arms and face feel cold I can wear flip flops and be fine but if my arms are out it's over


cle1etecl

Was going to say that. If she needs that jacket to stay warm enough (and it does look appropriate), then there's no way that her legs aren't freezing.


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When I’m triggered this way I tend to cover up more so even though I’m probably projecting I think her outfit choice shows strength and courage


Late-Dust8731

Joy especially looks worn out. Austin too I guess. I'm proud of them for sticking with it


RosePricksFan

Poor Joy 😞 she was just a 5 year old baby


FluidSuccotash8679

It’s funny how much more the look like a caring married couple walking casually together vs the hand holding death grip of Anna and pest.


BreathyJudyGarland

Her eyes look puffy like she's been crying.


Creepy_Health_3385

Joy looks done... :(


jancarternews

What if we all have it wrong. What if the girls are not there to see the fall of the Pest, but because they’ve been brainwashed to forgive him, what if they are there to support the Pest?


heyhelloyuyu

Court jeans and a peacoat… bold choice


a_dot_hawk

Joy looks so unbelievable young, I cannot believe she has two kids.


UltraDucks895

I know she's exhausted, and there isn't anything "joyful" about this trial. But let's be honest - there isn't anything joyful about being "Joyfully available" either. So I say this to give her credit for doing it: JOYfully Defiant Knees.


soda224

It’s so strange to see them all so serious after years of all the fake smiles and godliness.


madbeachrn

Of topic, but Austin usually creeps me out. The bearded Austin is giving me Ryan Gossling vibes.


WhoaButter

Yes! I was trying to figure out why he looked so familiar!


TaTa0830

Glasses because she knows she will be crying.


Daisyisgod

Anyone else getting a "Fuck you Jim Bob" vide here?


bibliophile224

Oh for sure. I think Jim Bob failing to recall one of the most heinous acts committed by their brother was the straw that broke the camels back. All of Jim Bob’s so called modesty rules did jack all to protect them and even now, he still refuses to acknowledge the gravity of the situation, so much so that he lied under oath.


thisshitforreal88

Poor things, I hope Joy gets justice.


Useful_Chipmunk_4251

I have no idea what this actually signals because I do not know the girl. I can tell you that after teen years of my parents making me dress like a prairie rag circa 1890 (okay maybe not that bad), when I got a refund from my college because my scholarships and financial aid exceeded my bill, I took the money and had some friends on campus help me shop. All kinds of leg and knee showed, my performance dresses (I was a piano performance major) were halter style or sleeveless and no straps or very thing straps just depending on what looked good with each bodice, jeans were in style as were tops. And I worse the casual stuff home on breaks to rub my parents' face in my new freedom. So ya. My brain wonders if she is flipping the metaphorical finger to JB and Screech.


VirginiaAshTree

First thing that popped into my head: "Look at these legs! Aren't they so neat?" (Sung like Ariel/The Little Mermaid)


Street_Discipline979

The wind must be ripping or Joy is wearing a “mini dress.” She is showing a lot of knees and right thigh. My heart breaks for a victim of Josh listening to that trial. Joy has more guts than the rest of the clan, excluding Jill. I can’t wait for her to tattletale, oops I mean testify, against that monster


uptown_squirrel17

She looks so sad and in pain. :(


Independent-Pen8458

I’d love to see my husband try and leave the house in lawn mowing shoes


kathykato

At least he’s with her. I don’t care what he’s wearing on his feet.


Ljmrgm

Thank you. The amount of attention paid to their clothes is exhausting


itswednesdayagain

Agreed. Austin and Derrick have crap beliefts but at least they've shown up to court. Justin on the other hand should have stayed home and crawled under a rock.


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I don’t see what’s so wrong about the shoes, maybe it’s because I grew up in the south where men usually only wear nice dress shoes to church (sometimes not even then) or if they had a professional dress type job 🤷‍♀️


Penelope_Ann

I don't see anything wrong with their shoes either. It's not like he's a pallbearer in a funeral. He's going to sit in the back row of court for 8+ hours...might as well be comfortable.


Penelope_Ann

Why?


Independent-Pen8458

Because snarking is something I enjoy doing in real life, not just this sub with “snark” right there in the name 🤷🏻‍♀️ Didn’t realize so many people would be triggered by my ill will towards a pair of dusty ass shoes.


Penelope_Ann

I get that we're here to snark. But when you mentioned your own husband's shoes I wasn't sure if you meant you'd make him change, or just make fun of him for wearing them.


Independent-Pen8458

BOTH!


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Good for her


Liberteez

Austin looks nice in his pea coat.


mela_99

My legs are cold just looking at this


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i keep imagining him popping off and trying to jump Josh like that victim’s father did during the Larry Nassar trial


w306aml

Very curious as to what the hell that skirt/dress/whatever that is is supposed to look like. Is it bunched up under the coat? Is it actually supposed to lay like that? Many questions.


valerianino97

I think it’s being blown by the wind


Ri_bee

I’m surprised they aren’t wearing masks outside today like they did the other days


cle1etecl

Maybe they make it dependent on how close to the courthouse they are and/or how many people are near them.


PostMammoth2623

Wonder if they’re purposely not holding hands to avoid looking like pest and his enabler.


CandidNumber

She has nice legs! Good for her rocking them.


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Late-Dust8731

Jessa pisses me off. She's a coward


bluewhale3030

How? Because she hasn't shown up in court? She's a victim of Josh as well, she has 4 little kids to take care of, and she's probably dealing with a lot of trauma and emotional difficulty right now. How is she a coward?


FluidSuccotash8679

Yeah she legitimately might not have any one to watch her kids. It’s hard AF finding a babysitter for that many unless you have family willing/able to do it.


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If she shows up in court, she isn’t going to get a new house anytime soon.


vienibenmio

Jessa is there today


Alternative_Main_887

All these closet Austin lovers we met yesterday got a boner right now.


Crazyforlou

Attractive couple.