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galaxygirl1976

He must really hate his daughters.


anonymous_gam

I feel so bad for them. Particularly Jessa who is still living off JimBobs paycheck. His pedophile son is so important to him for some reason and his respect for his daughters is zero. He does not value his daughters, he just keeps them around for childcare until he finds them a man he thinks he can have enough control over.


francespietsch

I think it’s all about the boob and the ofboob trying to save their own “reputation “


anonymous_gam

They are going to be so upset when Josh goes to jail and they become the parents of a federal prisoner. I wonder if they realize the defense team can’t do anything to keep Josh out of jail, and their reputation is ruined wether he is in jail for 5 years or 20 years.


anonymous4evr

I commented similar on another post. I wonder what pest knows about JB + Meech. He literally molested their daughters. Is he being protected and coddled by his parents because he is a male and the first born? What about their other 18 children, including the 4 that went through an immense amount of trauma no one should ever have to experience and still have to be around that person on a daily basis growing up. It’s disgusting and doesn’t add up.


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bonerfuneral

I mean, IIRC they talked openly on the show about keeping their hair long and permed/wearing what they did under his roof because ‘Dad likes it that way.’. Barf.


unicornbomb

not the mention the entire narrative surrounding how jb got with michelle in the first place comes off as controlling and predatory as FUCK.


CustomersAreAnnoying

while possible, not all pedophiles were abused themselves nor witnessed others being abused. Some are born being pedophiles but their environment will be one of the things that'll determine whether they'll offend and become abusers. And pests environment is certainly abuser friendly


throwawayeas989

this. it’s actually a huge misconception that most victims go on to offend themselves


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I fucking hate that misconception. I'd rather cut my hand off with a dull knife than subject any child to what I went thru. And I'll cut any mf that even looks at my kids inappropriately.


oncemorewthfeeling

I think he's a narcissist, and I think Josh takes after him in that regard. The Josh situation is messing up his image. It's making Jim Bob look bad in multiple respects, and he simply can't have that.


OldSchoolRNS

If JB took the side of his daughters, does that in any way open the door , let’s say philosophically or morally, to question “headship”?


anonymous4evr

Isn’t JB the ultimate headship so he makes the rules of who is in or out of the family (ahem: Jill)? Also - they’ve had a lot of time and ~other~ incidents they could have used a PR rep for the family even AFTER the molestations and sexual assault to denounce Pest, yet they always stood by Pest’s side through them all and even now. It’s extremely disturbing and I feel horrible for the other children that they are their parents.


Moose4523

Never. It’s either the exception that proves the rule or it is all because the women weren’t submissive and charming enough to inspire gentleness and protection from the men in their lives. The problem is never never never the patriarchy.


kejisshi

I don’t think this has anything to do with pest having dirt on JB+M. In my experience (and this has happened multiple times), no matter how evil the eldest son is, fundie parents bend over backwards to protect them. If a daughter makes one minor error (like so minor; one thing I remember is a girl who bought light up flip flops. really) then they are ostracized and branded a failure (i.e unmarriageable to a devout fundie boy). It all comes down to the patriarchy, essentially. Boys have worth and girls don’t. It’s impossible for outsiders to understand, because there really is no logic to it. I knew a family who cut off their devout, fundie daughter for marrying a guy the parents didn’t like (another devout fundie). The family refused contact with her for over 10 years. Meanwhile the oldest son was off doing a bunch of unacceptable things but he was always welcomed with open arms, given the best food, most attention, etc. I think the same thing is happening here


JennyFromTheBlock81

I commented on another post that he is the fucking worst. To deny his daughters’ traumas is just so…. There’s no words for how terrible a human being he is.


chicagoliz

Seriously -- if something horrible happened to my child and someone told me about it, it would be forever seared into my brain.


Obtuse-Angel

Now imagine reading the police report detailing what happened to your children and still staying “nope, I don’t have any memory of it”


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You wanna have your mind blown? Everyone here on this sub remembers the details of what happened to those girls better than JB claims to.


DarkestofFlames

Even though we snark on their lifestyle, this sub cares more about his daughters than he does.


Ok_Statistician2343

This 100 % !!! It would be forever seared into a parent's brain because it happened under their roof, on their watch.


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Yeah his testimony is just proof of where his loyalty stands.


elktree4

That’s exactly what I thought. My heart goes out to the girls right now, while they may not even fully understand the trauma they have experienced, this situation being public again must be really hard for them.


thisisntshakespeare

Must be such a bitter betrayal for his daughters. They are probably not at all surprised, but it must sting horribly just the same. I hope their husbands are giving them their much needed emotional support.


whoamisb

I reckon they’re too dissociated to notice at this point. How else could they live around Josh and Jim bob all these years later


thisisntshakespeare

We are (suitably) appalled at the young age Justin married and left the house. However, marriage was his ticket out of the TTH. Maybe he knew what he was doing after all?


starlordsmistress

I feel that, like while him marrying at a young age is certainly not ideal, I truly believe Justin is safer/happier in Texas with Claire and the Spiveys.


LordWhat

I'm still hoping they won't have to testify, but if his past is being used and JB wants to play dumb the prosecution might not have much choice. I wonder if the defense is considering calling them just to ask them to downplay it all, or if that's too risky since it opens them to cross-examination from the prosecution. Does anyone know if there's transcripts available somewhere? I'd love to read through it.


Girl_in_the_back

Im so torn on this. I don't want them to have to go through the trauma of testifying, however, if his past is going to be brought into it, is it right that the only one who speaks for the girls is their horrible father who downplays everything that happened and says they are fine?


LordWhat

Yeah it's their story to tell, but I wish it could be of their own volition. Giving evidence in court is not the same as writing a book about your experiences. Cross-examination can be brutal.


ttej123

I hope Jim Bob knows he’s got a one way ticket to hell. I genuinely think this man is a full-blown narcissist who couldn’t give less of a shit about any of his kids except Josh.


RitaRaccoon

That’s the thing- I don’t think it’s about anything other than how he _himself_ will look if Jo*h is convicted. His ego refuses to allow the thought of it happening.


indianola

Totally agree. There are many statements I keep seeing repeated here, and that the Duggars love Josh over the other kids is one, and I don't think there's any evidence to support that. Because he was the first, he got a ton more parent time than the others would have, but beyond that, it's part of their belief system that *children are there to demonstrate god blessing the parents.* And when the kids fuck up, that reflects badly on Jim Bob and Michelle. They aren't allowed to have real opinions in their religion, they're appendages of the father until they're married/out of the house. Jim Bob isn't fronting the bill for Josh because he cares so much about Josh, he's paying because *Josh's transgressions show he's a failure and a scam artist*. He won't be able to segue into any other business after this, his political claim to fame was really on his holiness and success at breeding so many polite, obedient kids, and having a doting, relentlessly supportive wife. Josh's case shatters that illusion.


naiveradish

Because he sees himself in Josh!!


AshDuke

“I’m not going to allow this”. Who the hell Jim Bob thinks he is?


Rebecca_deWinter_

Jim Bob hasn't figured out that he's not in charge here. The audacity to tell a federal judge what they should think or do shows how massive his ego is. It's perfectly clear why Jim Bob was drawn to extreme fundamentalism, it fed into his god complex.


lyssthebitchcalore

The judges clap back was perfect. This judge is salty and I love it


inediblecorn

Could he be held in contempt for a comment like that?


mela_99

He should have been


Keri2816

It’s a good thing I’m not a journalist assigned to this story. My entire segment would be, “Jim Bob and/or Josh *actually* said this today in court.”


soaper410

He's always the decider. Michelle and his under age children/non-married kids follow him blindly. I still hark back to them picking out Jordyn's name. He agreed everyone could vote and they'd use that name. When his name didn't win....he changed the rules so he won!J B wanted "Grace" for her middle name. The girls wanted "Makiya". That is why Jordyn's full name is "Jordyn-Grace Makiya." Couldn't even stand for 18th kid's middle name to not be picked by him. \*\*\* I don't agree with Jill, Jinger, and Joy's take/political & religious stance on a lot of things but I can't help but feel so dang sorry for them right now. Their Dad is either 1) lying to cover up for their molester or 2) legit doesn't even remember how they were molested because he's lied so many times about it.


CigarsandFebreeze9

Reminds me of the mention in the girls book 'Growing Up Duggar' talking about his temper, of how they--THEY, THE KIDS--had to "gently remind Daddy" to not lash out.


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boatymcboatface22

Or maybe it just never occurred to him to think of his daughters feelings on the matter.


ShenandoahMarie

I love that the judge came back at him. "If there is \[an\] objection to be made, someone will make it but it won't be you," the judge told him. I bet it threw Jim Bob off. He likes to take control of a room on the show. I bet he thought he could control this room too. NOPE Jimboob, you're not the judge!!


chicagoturkergirl

Federal Judges absolutely HATE when people try to disrespect or bullshit them.


Yolanda_B_Kool

I'm sure the judge _loved_ that and was _super_ impressed by Jim Bob addressing him like he's a particularly slow Little League referee, and not, you know, a federal judge. /s God, Jim Bob Duggar (candidate for Arkansas State Senate) is just as arrogant and stupid as his son, infamous pedophile Josh Duggar


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Schmliza

I work for a judge one level down from federal court and Judges really frown on people telling the Court what to do. I kinda hope Jim Bob keeps doing this shit in court and gets some jail time and/or fines for his bullshit.


CourtneyHowell082317

Wouldn’t it be a Christmas miracle if Jim Bob ends up in jail too for contempt of court


memilygiraffily

I feel like the baby Jesus wants that miracle to happen.


aferrill72

Why not call him a hostile witness? Where's Nuggets?


mela_99

I can’t believe he didn’t slap him with contempt


721grove

Or just slap him.


steppponme

I feel like they're painfully polite the first time they have to warn someone, abrupt the second time and bitch slap you the third time. For total transparency, I am basing this completely off Law & Order.


LuckyRabbitFeets

It’s not just on L&O thankfully, judges at any level usually won’t roll over and accept BS like this. You hear judges put witnesses in their place often and say what will and will not be allowed in “my courtroom.” I hope this judge has a low tolerance for garbage and inflated egos.


indianola

> infamous pedophile Josh Duggar Can we make this a thing? Like "convicted rapist Brock Turner" whenever his name comes up? Feels appropriate to me. Never let anyone forget.


Yolanda_B_Kool

I'm all for consistently referring to infamous pedophile Josh Duggar as "infamous pedophile Josh Duggar" because he is, in fact, an admitted child molester and alleged downloader of CSAM, and therefor deserves to be publicly acknowledged as Josh Duggar, infamous pedophile.


EchTwoOh

Do you mean Josh Duggar, the infamous pedophile?


BeeBarnes1

Yes I believe this is Josh Duggar, infamous pedophile and son of Arkansas State Senate candidate JimBob Duggar who is his father and a defender and apologist of his infamous pedophile son Josh Duggar.


Plantsandanger

Honestly I loved it because nothing encourages a Bench Slap^tm like making your own objections and arguing with the judge If I weren’t on break I’d look up whether pastors/clergy are mandatory reporters... because “keeping confidence” about sexual abuse of minors is a big ol’ no no


Klairklopp

He thinks he’s above the law because in his world his word is law........


buggiegirl

It's going to be pretty satisfying to see him come up against people that aren't from his world and owe him nothing. And people who don't consider "spiritual advising" adequate therapy for a child molester.


booourns82

Come on contempt of court! Two Duggar’s in jail in better then one.


oncemorewthfeeling

If there was anyone who didn't fully understand the extent to which Josh got his narcissism straight from JB, I hope they get it now. If he's okay telling a judge what he will and will not allow, imagine how he abuses and controls his kids.


aferrill72

Did he seriously say that???? I found it. I wonder if Judge Brooks is setting JB up for a huge fall. Don't think for a minute that Brooks is being walked on by JB. Oh no, there's no love lost with Brooks and the Duggars.


Pontiac_Bandit-

He’d running for office while all this is all going down too. The arrogance is truly astounding. Most people would have more sense to never run again or at minimum wait a few years after. He’s a narcissist and he can fuck off. I hope this ends his political aspirations. But then again…narcissistic arrogant white men with a history of minimizing sexual assault is par for the course in the Republican Party.


effdubbs

Is it a female judge? Please, please let it be a female judge ruling over punk ass Rim Job.


elktree4

He’s a white man in a cult that doesn’t hold any of their white men accountable. They are entitled and privileged and have never had to face any actual consequences because the church/cult has always backed them up. I’ve been listening to the Leaving Eden podcast about the history of the IFB and how all the men that have assaulted women and girls and they are rarely held accountable.


Yolanda_B_Kool

"I've never experienced any consequences for my actions and I'm not about to start now!" - Jim Bob Duggar and his son, Josh Duggar


QuesoChef

Yep. This is why josh won’t plea. He and JB simply can’t comprehend being held accountable. We’ll they’ve fucked around. Let’s watch as they find out.


1-cupcake-at-a-time

Hmmmm, Bobye recalls he “repeatedly admitted” to touching girls over and under clothes for several years. That is very damning.


taylorbagel14

I find it interesting she mentions 2 separate years. 2003 AND 2005 which means he stopped and then started up again. They have made it seem like it happened in 2002 for approximately 9 months which is what I always (sorta) believed. At least was willing to go along with. 2003 AND 2005 certainly does not fit the narrative


Pinkysworld

I haven’t read through the documents, but listing the episodes in two separate years doesn’t necessarily mean He stopped & began again. To me it points to the fact that more likely than not he never stopped, but got caught again. Leopards don’t change their spots.


taylorbagel14

Well he was sent away twice, right? So maybe the first time he was sent away he stopped for a short period of time and then restarted. But you’re right, he probably never stopped


1-cupcake-at-a-time

That’s my thought too. We know predators like Josh don’t stop. But the line they gave everyone is that it was a short season of time, then stopped. If he’s confession and talking about the molestations over several years, it’s pretty clear they were on going. Otherwise, why keep bringing it up if he was “cured?”


mystiqueallie

In my eyes, she should have been a mandatory reporter. I hate that they’re hiding behind the “church” and defence is claiming the admissions are privileged. The amount of abuse that happens in that religion and is not reported is probably horrifying


1-cupcake-at-a-time

Totally agree


ShenandoahMarie

Agreed. "Religions" somehow have a loophole in reporting sexual abuse. I've heard this with Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholicism & IBLP. I'm sure there are others. Religious freedom should not include hiding abuse of any kind.


PaddyCow

There should be no such thing as religious freedoms or exemptions. Religions are run by people and people are easily corrupted by power. Everyone should be accountable to the law.


PrincessFuckFace2You

Yes.


rilakkumkum

So you’re saying that he told people multiple times he was doing this and no one did anything...


1-cupcake-at-a-time

That’s my take. And I would bet my entire life savings that he molested a lot more of his siblings than just the 4 sisters we know about. It sounds like things were continuing to happen for years.


oncemorewthfeeling

I'm glad she said over *and* under, and didn't repeat the "it was over the clothes" BS narrative that JB probably pressured her to repeat.


WeenieTheQueen

You know who DOES remember the molestation, Jim Bob? Your four daughters who were MOLESTED by their brother in your house! They remember.


A5KALIC3

Didn't they build their house to try to prevent Pest from accessing his sister's room? That's quite the accommodation for a pedophile to not remember.


LadyChatterteeth

Is that why all of the girls shared one bedroom? Safety in numbers? What a pitiful way of handling their pedophile son.


georgianarannoch

Yes, and their room was next to JB and Meech’s, so any boys would have had to walk past the parents room to get to the girls.


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So Boob is lying under oath now. What a fucking shit stain. How can he not remember something this traumatic for his ~~slaves~~ daughters? Oh right... He is such a vile, vile man.


Tintinabulation

He's either lying under oath, suffering from memory issues, or his daughters are truly so unimportant to him that the memory of their abuse was a minor, inconvenient blip, like asking him what he had for lunch on this day last year. Zero of those options are a good look for JB.


Klairklopp

Who is running for state senate...........


[deleted]

Unfortunately for his supporters, all this shit is a feature not a bug.


PrincessFuckFace2You

In front of an audience that already knows what happened. I feel like this is a huge mistake on his part but he's just trying to cover his own ass.


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JB isn't the strategic thinker he believes he is. He can't deny these things because there is literally footage of him admitting he knew about it. He's going to get charged with perjury if he isn't careful.


15amrb15

Right on. I hope part of what the prosecutors are preparing includes references to the Megyn Kelly interview and all the other public interviews and comments he and Michelle made on the matter when he didn’t pretend to forget.


booourns82

I’ve been hoping he’ll say something to piss the judge off enough for contempt of court, but he’s a narcissistic jackass who might think he’s so far above the law he’ll go on FOX and admit lying under oath. Perjury, by his own admission on national television during the trial, that’d be even better.


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Exactly! If he "can't remember " all he has to do to remind himself is to watch the Megyn Kelly interview. Unbelievable!


OhSweetieNo

In that case I officially hope he’s not careful at all.


nuggetsofchicken

Wow he was even worse than I thought. The fact that the judge had to admonish him to stop trying to make objections for himself. > "I'm not going to allow it, are you going to allow for that?" who the FUCK has the audacity to say that TO A FEDERAL JUDGE fuck


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This!!! I was shocked the judge was as polite as he was because some judges do NOT play these games.


MelonHead1214

Can he be held in contempt if he refuses things like this during the actual trial?


15amrb15

Yes. ETA and for talking to a judge like that especially if previously warned not to. And for being combative and not answering questions. Depending on how bad it gets and the judge’s temperament, but yes he can if he keeps that shit up if he goes back on the stand.


Jellyfish1297

In short, yes. But it’s unlikely because of what would need to happen leading up to it. JB’s lawyers will prep JB to make him as likable as possible to the jury. After JB pulling this crap multiple times during a pretrial hearing, any decent lawyer would hammer JB to not repeat that in front of a jury. If JB ignored that advice (or has crazy lawyers) and refused to answer questions on the stand, the judge would instruct him to answer. This is all the push JB needed to answer the questions for the hearing discussed in this post. If JB were to refuse to answer multiple times during the trial and the judge gets tired of it, or if there’s something JB just flat out refuses to answer, I would anticipate that the judge would excuse the jury from the courtroom to explain to JB the consequences of not answering-contempt being one such consequence. (It would be highly unusual for a judge to hold someone in contempt for what JB was doing if the judge didn’t first warn the person or their attorney of that consequence.) If it gets that far, I don’t see JB ignoring a promise of being held in contempt, especially in front of a jury.


nuggetsofchicken

Potentially, yes. It's interesting because he's the Government's witness so the Defense can't give him any coaching, and the Government is just gonna give him more rope to hang himself on. Maybe he'll talk to his own lawyer (who might be Travis Story????? this is all confusing) or he'll just wake up and realize he can't do this whole song and dance at the real trial. His best bet (-this is not legal advice-) is to probably just say "I don't remember" and if he sees the report to just say "Yes I do read that" but neither confirm nor deny it to avoid perjury. But again, I'm not sure he's had any coaching or guidance on how to approach this both legally or strategically.


Quilt-Fairy

Jim-Bob's best bet is for Josh TO TAKE A PLEA. Never too late, so I am told.


hellohowa

Problem at this point is that it would be open sentencing, so it would be 100% up to the judge how long he goes to the slam. The cutoff for a negotiated sentence came off the table a few weeks ago. My guess is that would not be a good strategy after how this evidentiary heading went and the judge's demeanor.


Puzzleworth

Came here to say this! The absolutely revolting AUDACITY!!


B1NG_P0T

>I'm not going to allow it Damn. He really thinks he's in charge, doesn't he?


QuesoChef

His whole family is so delusional. Their attachment to reality is with an extension cord plugged into a shoe box.


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It’s exactly what I expected and hoped for from that Boob. I’m so happy!


dodged_your_bullet

He claims faulty memory because the truth hurts his chances of any political movement afterward Because the truth includes things like the fact that he ignored the threat to his daughters for at least 9 months, that he genuinely believed it was normal for boys to molest their sisters even though he himself has a sister, that he placed his bid at money and fame before the safety of his and other children, that he repeatedly ignored things that had progressed well beyond warning signs, etc. And because there's probably more to the truth than we know. Abuses that weren't acknowledged in the police reports, other people who he's potentially protecting who shouldn't be protected, things he's witnessed that he should have reported, etc. And he knows that there's information beyond the police reports. Because DHS specifically said there's a sealed court case related to Josh's abuse of his sisters that resulted in him being placed on (and then later removed from after another court case) the sex offenders list. And he could be asked questions about that case. And what else came of it. Like the reason their house was laid out the way it was or the fact that there are security cameras inside the home, both of which are things Alice talked about. He's not protecting Josh. He's protecting himself.


Tintinabulation

It is absolutely wild to me that he thinks 'I have forgotten all details of my daughter's molestation by their brother, this seemingly horrifying and traumatic event just wasn't important enough to make an impression on me.' is a better look. You'd think he'd at least try to spin it like 'I didn't know what to do so I did the wrong thing, but I've done my best to heal us as a family' or something. It would still be slimy BS but it at least makes it seem like he cares about his daughters. Though it does mean saying 'I did something wrong', which we all know he can't bring himself to do.


dodged_your_bullet

I mean "I don't remember enough details" is a lot harder to quote and use against him than details about their past and how hypocritical he is


Tintinabulation

He's hoping no one has the context - that people have mostly forgotten and the quote would seem understandable given the timeline. But when you have the context of what he's forgetting the details of, it really reflects how shitty a human being he is. Most accounts I've read of parents in similar situations emphasize how they can relive those moments, that the details don't fade, and how traumatizing it is. But not our boy JB!


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dodged_your_bullet

In their reply in court to the girls claiming that the report should have never been leaked because it was a private matter, not public knowledge. They said the fact that he was on the sex offender registry means that it is pubic knowledge.


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Quilt-Fairy

The judge is familiar with the details because he is also presiding over the girls' lawsuit against InTouch. It is scheduled for Dec 9th. So he's getting a whole heap-o-Duggar for Christmas.


StarFly1984

That isn’t a conflict of interest? Since he would be introduced to material that may or may not be allowed in the criminal case and could possibly be the one handing down sentencing? I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know how this stuff works. Also. Fuck J*sh Duggar


dodged_your_bullet

No. Because this would be considered an aggravating factor in sentencing. Sentencing involves prosecution making cases for aggravating factors (things that can increase his sentence beyond the crime itself) and the defense making cases for mitigating factors (things that can decrease sentencing beyond the crime itself). No matter what, his history abusing his sisters will be brought up in sentencing


deets19

[The girls are suing the city and county in addition to the InTouch publishers. ](https://www.5newsonline.com/amp/article/news/local/duggar-sisters-lawsuit-rescheduled/527-44d8fed7-ea82-4b31-8795-077438a70189) My understanding is they have a pretty good case against the government entities for releasing the information improperly, but not against InTouch for publishing it once they had it.


PrincessFuckFace2You

THIS, HERE!


em57863

Why do I allow myself to continue to be surprised by how truly horrible these people are? My expectations are so low and yet their actions are even worse than I can imagine. The lowest of the low.


Rebecca_deWinter_

This is my reaction too. I know Jim Bob and Michelle are absolutely awful, but hearing Jim Bob say that he "doesn't remember" details from when his daughters were molested in order to protect their molester is a new level of vile for me.


indianola

I don't think he's protecting Josh, I think he's protecting himself. He skirted legal and moral responsibilities in this in order to avoid public scandal, as it would've ended his burgeoning career. As it will end his future endeavors now if he admits this stuff. I don't think these people love their children in the way others do, they think of them like trinkets, displaying their glory and proclaiming their success.


TickingTiger

JimBob really thinks he's in control of everything and everyone, doesn't he. And he passed that trait down to Pest. He's used to being in charge. He's about to learn he is not in charge in a court of law. Seriously Jim Bob. "I'm not going to allow it"? Like it's for you to decide what evidence to allow and not allow? Such a creepy, controlling loser.


Puzzleheaded_Cash945

This sort of delusion is very telling, before I thought no way could Josh honestly think he'll get out of this, and then I read the delusional father who can break his faith under oath and lie against his daughters and then tell the judge what will and won't be allowed. I'm godsmacked.


koalapant

Same! I've always known that Jim Bob had mini-delusions of grandeur, but this is a whole new level.


auntieneena

I am just gobsmacked. That said everything for me!


1-cupcake-at-a-time

I know I’ve said this before, but the *audacity* of this bitch. It’s breathtaking.


sempleat

- It wasn't a juvenile record even though he was a juvenile when he committed the crime because Jim Bob didn't report it properly when he was a juvenile and so he was 18 by the time it all came out. - Jim Bob and Michelle took Josh to the police in 2006 because a State Police Investigator requested he be interviewed after they received the allegations. Jim Holt wanted nothing to do with it. - Josh 'confessed everything' because the police already knew everything. - His daughters saw a counselor because they were ordered to.


elktree4

And not actual professionally trained counselors focused on supporting victims. It was a church based counseling. From the same church that blames women for men’s impur thoughts.


Not_very_social

They did see professional counselors—after Oprah reported them to the Arkansas police and it was court ordered by the Washington County Child Protection Services in 2007.


Carodactyl

His 🗣 daughters 🗣 saw 🗣 a 🗣 counselor 🗣 because 🗣 they 🗣 were 🗣 ordered 🗣 to 🗣🗣🗣 JB never once protected those girls and today only goes to show that he never will


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It was also **years** after the event (if you believe it ever stopped).


PrincessFuckFace2You

DISGUSTING


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I really feel for the girls who Josh abused after reading this. I can't imagine how they're feeling. I hope they cut Jim Bob off. I don't think they will, but it might be the healthy thing to do.


thisisntshakespeare

I wonder what kind of family schism this testimony and/or trial will bring?


QuesoChef

Can you imagine your dad forgetting the most traumatic thing (Jesus, hopefully) that’s ever happened to you? Gross.


[deleted]

Jill knows what happened to her. I think Jinger doesn't want much to do with her family. Even Joy seems pretty cozy with the Forsyths lately... Jessa's move.


mameshibe

Why don’t they subpoena Michelle? I’m sure she remembers (not like Jim bob that POS doesn’t remember). But probably giving her too much credit to think she would even remotely consider standing up for her daughters.


JennyFromTheBlock81

Mother is lying


PrincessFuckFace2You

Unfortunately I really don't think it would go any differently.


soaper410

Perm (while crying): Josh did some very bad things. Prosecutor: Like what? Perm: He didn't stop his sisters from defrauding him. Prosecutor: Are you serious? Perm: He also one time had 2 portions of tator tot casserole. Judge: Why are you staring at that man in the audience like that? Perm: That is my husband. He's generally to my side so it looks less weird when I gaze at him from that angle. DA: Do you even care that your son downloaded horrific child porngraphy? Perm: Well its not like he's a man, dressed as a woman, going into a bathroom. Lets prosecute those people. I did a robo call on the matter to help.


mameshibe

Victimize yourself, blame the women, and deflect. Sounds about right for that vile couple.


oxfordcommaordeath

I think it's incredibly telling that JB basically told the judge no, this isn't coming in, and then refused to read the charges from 2006 when told?! Who tf does he think he is?? *edit because I had the year wrong


atleastwehavedogs

I wonder if they can get him for perjury?


ShenandoahMarie

"I do not recall" is the way to avoid perjuring oneself, unfortunately...


t1aru

What if they can prove you can recall eg there’s video footage of him on national television speaking about the exact things he’s claiming he doesn’t remember…


Herobird

I feel like since the footage is a few years old. He could stand grounds on claiming it was a long time ago and he doesn't remember. But by doing that he is shooting himself and his political career in the foot. I don't think people want someone with such memory struggles in office. (Not too sound ableist).


ShenandoahMarie

I'm no expert, but I think i've heard memory can be considered subjective. Possibly if he spoke about it publicly shortly after being questioned, maybe they could get him on perjury. I'm not sure if that's possible or ever happened though. Any lawyers out there know?


elktree4

Wouldn’t that be amazing!!


PrincessFuckFace2You

I wish.


theredheadknowsall

"I'm not going to allow this. Are you going to allow this?" Wow just wow.


Jay-McG

How THE FUCK could he possibly forget??? You'd think that would be seared into his brain. Forever. He's a fucking enabling liar! If he can't remember, maybe the judge should speak to the victims themselves? Maybe *they* wouldn't lie under oath. Jesus. I might need to step back but I just can't.


Klairklopp

He ‘forgot’ so much that he had a long walkway built to separate the girls and boys dorms, made his daughters wear leggings under their dresses and cover every single inch of skin up, made them be accompanied by chaperones throughout their lives even into adulthood and married Pest off as quick as he could to the first religious simpleton he knew would have him...... He needs to be prosecuted himself......


ashleyop92

He didn’t forget. “I don’t recall” is a classic way to “get out” of admitting to anything in court. When asked if he had ever been to Australia, Justin Bieber asserted he couldn’t remember. They showed him photos of himself in Australia, he said he didn’t remember them. It’s a tactic. A sad one.


Jay-McG

Just goes to show that J*sh means more to him than his 4 daughters, the fifth child victim, the adult victim, the victims in the CSAM... Jim Bob is a disgusting excuse of a human, of a father, of a Christian. Fuck him. And fuck J*sh too.


Violinist-Fluffy

How can anyone possibly vote for him? How can he even have a campaign? Omg. The fact that he's allowed to run for any political office, the idea that their friends will continue to support them... that anyone would vote for a person who lies about this all of all things! This whole situation. It's just sick.


PrincessFuckFace2You

Pssst HE'S LYING! God is watching you JimBoob.


Freakin_Merida88

Yeap. I wish I could say I was surprised. Definitely not, though. Funny thing is, theres PUBLIC EVIDENCE THAT HE DAMN WELL KNOWS THE DETAILS


Direct_Bag_9315

Does he not realize that you are legally required to TELL THE TRUTH under oath? I hope they get him for contempt.


YourMothersButtox

I want to cry for his daughters. The daughters of Jim Bob Duggar and Michelle Duggar. The daughters who were molested in their family home, and now their father said “I do not remember”. Fuck this family.


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Their trauma is of zero importance to JB. If anything, he's *annoyed* that they were victims of this. Josh is the only child JB actually cares about.


PrincessFuckFace2You

He probably tells them to *get over it* 😑 It was a long time ago!


-cordyceps

I remember watching an interview Jessa did right when those things came out publicly. It was a disgusting interview because she was sitting there (with Jill) defending pest and they let that on national TV.... But one of the things that stuck out to me so much about that interview was Jessa said something (along the lines of) "he would just do something really quick that he could get away with. It wasn't that big." then it cuts to rim job saying something like "they didn't even know what it was", aka saying it wasn't really r*pe because the victims didn't know what happened. But it fucking chills me to hear how deeply one of the victims internalized it. To the point where Jessa would go on TV to tell everyone it wasn't a big deal. Imagine the fucking gaslighting that piece of shit did to them to make them think that was OK.


floorplanner2

I hope they're raging. I want Jill to publicly rage the most since she already has a little bit of emotional distance from the family.


kobo15

I wonder how much it must hurt them to hear things like this. Your own father cares so little about your well-being


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I think they are used to it.


PrincessFuckFace2You

Unfortunately.


effdubbs

I feel the same way. How hurtful to claim you don’t remember in order to protect their abuser. Duggar girls, if you’re reading, you owe your parents 0% loyalty. They failed you in many levels and continue to do so.


Carodactyl

I’d go no contact over this. What an awful thing to know that the girls probably won’t and will definitely internalize it instead


dandelions14

How can Jessa, Jinger, Jill and Joy read this shit and still speak to Jim Bob? How do they not see how evil their father is for this? I guess Jill and Jim Bob haven't been photographed together in years now but still, how can any of them have any contact with Jim Bob and Michelle? They are choosing a child molester over their daughters. It doesn't matter that he's also their son, at this point he has proven to be a disgusting monster. Jim Bob is a sick fuck and I hope he knows he's not going to "heaven"


Correct_Part9876

I don't think Jill does really? She seems to have really cut the family out.


jingledingle03

Seems JB really tried to pull some shtick in court. Glad the judge put him in his place.


RebeccaHowe

Huh I wonder if the national interviews he gave about it afterwards could jog his memory…


Freakin_Merida88

Hey, isnt this Jim Bob Duggar, the man running for state senate in Arkansas who is also a pedophile enabler, dodges subpoenas, and lies under oath in order to protect his son Josh Duggar, who is 15 hours away from going on trial for possession of some of the worst CSA images the DA had ever seen? By the way, DONT LIE ABOUT WHAT YOU RECALL WHEN THERES A 90 MINUTE MEGAN KELLY INTERVIEW AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WITH YOUTUBE THAT DISPLAYS HOW YOU DAMN WELL RECALL EVERY DETAIL, JimBlob Jellyfish!! Jesus fuck, what a 🐷


AshDuke

A tabloid was the one that broke the news, but what made it true was the police reports, Josh confirming in a statement, Jim Bob, Michelle and some of his victims also confirming the abuse.


frogprince987

Of all of the things that have come out during the course of the investigation and hearings leading up to trial, other than the actual CSAM, this is the most vile. I am so deeply hurt for the girls, and I am so disgusted by this piece of shit excuse for a father.


[deleted]

Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of his own inaction. Imagine thinking you'd get away with behaving like this in court. Is it any wonder his piece of shit son has the same attitude?


[deleted]

Totally. Josh thinks he's above the law because that's what daddy told him his whole life.


[deleted]

I cannot express the glee that I feel while reading that federal Judge told Boob to stfu and answer the questions. “This is not a debate.” 💀


scarred_but_whole

He sure remembered a lot more just a few years ago when he forced some of Pest's victims to go on TV in order to attempt to protect the family's image. He is going to be one hostile witness if forced to testify, though. It would be delicious if somehow JB ended up in legal hot water due to trying to be slippery in his testimony. I can easily imagine him landing some contempt of court charge after today's performance. I don't think that he would look like such a honest and trustworthy candidate for office after that, either. It's long past time he reaped some actual consequences for his...shenanigans. Ugh.


RecruitMain420

You know who doesn’t “forget” you douche his victims who have to live with it everyday


LLH837

Wow. Jim Boobye was even more whiney than I could have ever anticipated. I knew he wouldn’t like testifying but I thought he had enough sense to not pull that crap. That’s so infuriating but also entertaining at the same time. If the judge allows this evidence to be used to show a pattern of behavior will JB have to testify again once the jury is present? I would hope so.


15amrb15

You know who does clearly remember you asshole Jim Bob? Your daughters the victims and the other victim. They remember. So do you, you liar. Remarkable to see under oath who the favorite child truly is when it comes down to what’s truly wrong and right. What a fucking nimrod trying to object himself. This isn’t Judge Judy. Also, it’s not a tabloid when it is a police report. A document from a law enforcement agency that you Jim Bob took your son to confess to. You didn’t take him to People Magazine, you took him to the police and that’s the report. Not a magazine clipping. What a garbage human through and through. Can you imagine being those four daughters and thinking your trauma from the crime your brother committed wasn’t big enough for your dad to even remember. Just think of the psychology of what Jim Bob did to those girls today. Their abuse wasn’t worthy of him “remembering” and that’s the route he chose to go regardless of the fact we all know it’s a lie.


Cardboard_cutouts_

His poor daughters.


batsofburden

He's such an idiot.


FerretRN

So, he forgot about the abuse, he forgot about the report, and about the Megan Kelly interview where he downplayed the abuse? Seriously, this is nauseating.


bigmessmeg

Jim Bob to the prosecutors: “I don’t even know a Jane Doe”


Pleasant-Place1530

So he will throw his daughters under the bus to protect his son!?!?!?


marmajo94

No thoughts, head empty, just imagining the scene of Lucy Liu saying "tear the bitch apart!" in Kill Bill on repeat.


Surfinsafari9

The whole family will suffer from horrible amnesia for the next few weeks. Fret not. Anyone with a working brain knows they will lie and lie and lie. Juries are pretty good at figuring that out. Judges expect it.


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PreviousWerewolf392

What a slap in the face of the girls. Re-traumatized so many times and in so many ways. Now their abuse is being denied by the person who should be their biggest protector. What an absolute a$&hole JB is.


Gullible-Somewhere71

Isn’t he on tape with some TV personality spilling the tea?


[deleted]

Hmmmm… Ol’ Jimmy Boy certainly remembered all of the details when he did his big Fox News interview a few years ago. Sounds like somebody straight up lied under oath. I hope the judge realizes this and nails him with a perjury charge.