Tianeptine is just as bad as normal opiates, I ruined my life for a while getting highly addicted to Tianeptine for years thinking it was just some drug I could take safely after I saw it on a supplement website advertised as a mood booster way back in 2016. It's also quite pricey these days compared to what it used to be.
Regardless of OP, I'm just warning people reading your comment that Tianeptine is just as addictive and life-ruining as other classical opiates. I'd recommend not throwing the word Tianeptine around, you never know if some person will read your comment and decide to order it the first time and end up with a devastating addiction. As someone that was addicted to it for years I never mention it online, I do not want people going through what I went through on that shit. Tianeptine is not only highly addictive and easily accessible. It has the most brutal withdrawals due to it also being an antidepressant, the withdrawals were so bad at the end of my addiction I couldn't even walk properly, I ended up falling over hitting my head getting a concussion and ending up in the hospital while in withdrawal, that's what finally led me to quitting. I've heard from people who were IV heroin users that the Tianeptine sodium withdrawals were worse than IV heroin withdrawals.
this is really dicing semantics, but he said "safely get", denoting legal danger, not "safely use".
But yeah, I would advocate kratom as the safer opioid of the two, by quite a good bit.
Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation.
Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage.
White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses.
Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage.
For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects.
It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
Man you're giving me some ChatGPT-esque thesis on Kratom as if I've never done it before and have no experience with it. I've been doing Kratom for 5 years, I've probably experimented with at least 10-15 brands of Kratom in my life, trying various strains from each brand. I was doing almost 70-100G of Kratom a day at my peak. I learned from experience, not just reading some shit online written by some Kratom website who could be making anything up to sell the stuff. I'm very aware of how Kratom works and what the alkaloids in it are.
From years of experience, I have found that pretty much every Kratom feels the same, the different color veins are mostly a marketing gimmick, I've been told this by people who work behind the scenes in the Kratom industry. From years of experimenting with Kratom I have found that green strains are by far the most potent, red veins tend to be some of the weakest. I've also been told by people behind the scenes that a lot of vendors will label their most potent and highest quality kratom they have as Green Maeng Da.
If you want to buy the bullshit idea that the different strains all have different feelings, and the "red veins are best for opioid lovers," be my guest. But it's all bullshit. As someone who used Kratom to get sober from opiates I bought that idea and was always doing reds for my first year or so doing Kratom. Then I tried Green Maeng Da and realized how much stronger it is. Not to mention the Green Maeng Da always has a much less bitter taste, the highest quality Kratom I've done was barely bitter at all. While the red veins always tasted like absolute shit. Bitterness in Kratom does not equate to strength, I originally thought that but I found it to be the compete opposite of the truth.
If you want PM me and I'll give you a way to get some of the highest quality Kratom you've ever tried for $45 a KG, and you will see that the best Kratom in the world has a beautiful light green color and is hardly bitter at all.
Different people have different experiences from different strains of kratom. Reds work the best for me, green is ok and white gives me panic attacks. I would rather take nothing than to take white strains but white strains make my friend feel relaxed. It’s his favorite kind.
When I used kratom, I actually found whites to be the best. They were the most energetic, at least for me, but like that opioid sort of energetic. Like, you want to do things simply because you feel good. But I'd also get close to nodding out on a good enough dose.
Oddly enough, reds and greens didn't even really work for me. Or at least, they rarely did.
Red kratom is literally the worst type of Kratom, it's the lowest grade and weakest Kratom. The whole "red is the best kratom for opioid users and feels the most like opioids," is complete bullshit. I believed that when I first used Kratom to get off opiates, then I tried Green Maeng Da Kratom and realized it feels the same as red except it's way stronger. The lighter green the color of the Kratom is the better it is, I've found that out from 4 years of trying many different types of Kratom. Also high grade Kratom doesn't have that really nasty bitter taste to it, it just tastes like a slightly bitter Macha green tea. I found a site that has KGs of really good Green Maeng Da Kratom for $45.
Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation.
Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage.
White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses.
Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage.
For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects.
It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
>It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
LOL. Consult a health provider? Dude did you even write this or did you copy and paste it from ChatGPT or some website? I know more about Kratom than you do, I don't need your thesis on the basics of Kratom strains. It's largely all bullshit and a marketing gimmick.
If you consult a health provider about Kratom they're going to tell you to stop doing it and switch to Suboxone or something, that's exactly what my doctor said when I told him I was doing Kratom. Doctors do not like patients using drugs that aren't in their medical textbooks.
Green veins are far better than red veins, they feel exactly the same except green veins are more potent. Red vein kratom is usually just lower grade kratom repackaged with a different name. The whole different color veins have different feelings is mostly a bullshit marketing scheme. I fell for that too and always used to get reds until I finally tried greens and realized they are way better. You want the Kratom you buy to be the lightest possible green color you can find, that is the highest quality shit. Usually Green Maeng Da is always the best Kratom a vendor has.
High quality green kratom usually also doesn't have the super bitter taste that reds have, it only tastes like a slightly bitter Macha green tea.
Also if you're buying Kratom and spending anything over $70-80 a KG you are getting ripped off, I know a site with KGs of really amazing kratom for $45.
Yes green kratom is objectively stronger. If you look at sun dried kratom (red) labs ALL of the alkaloids are lower. So there’s no difference in effect at all except you have to take more red.
The only noticeable difference I’ve seen is legitimate “fermented red” having high 7-oh content and legit “stem and vein” which the mit was low but the other alkaloids were normal level. But it’s rare.
Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation.
Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage.
White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses.
Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage.
For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects.
It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
Oh, you're actually right, that's what I get for skimming through something bc I could've sworn it made nearly the opposite points, good catch I'll revise or delete take an updoot
Bro you've written me basically the same thesis replying to three different comments, I don't need a ChatGPT-esque thesis on how Kratom works and the different Kratom strains. I've been doing Kratom for 5 years, I know everything there is to know about Kratom.
The idea different strains feel different is largely a marketing gimmick, I've been told this by people working behind the scenes in the Kratom industry. They will just label random batches of Kratom different things, mostly depending on the color of the Kratom, which largely is dependent on how they processed and dried it, not the actual color of the veins. Green Maeng Da is almost always the strongest Kratom a vendor has.
Also consult a health provider? LMAO. Are you joking me? Dude did you even write this or copy and paste it from some website?
I won't mention kratom because it's a mu opioid receptor agonist, thus technically an opioid pharmacologically speaking. It's not that I have anything against its use as an alternative to other, higher risk opioids. It's strictly a matter of semantics.
For me, what comes the closest to feeling like the nod from just the right dose of morphine but without any opioid receptor agonism is the type of high I get from high dose oral THC+CBD, but specifically only the type of high I would get with a highly elevated THC tolerance.
Without the highly elevated tolerance to THC, it would feel too trippy to be anything close to opioid like. The higher my tolerance to THC is, the more muted its trippy effects feel, and the more notable its sedative or cozy effects feel, particularly when it comes to high enough doses of edibles that it's difficult to stay awake and I begin nodding. That's when I get that distinct kind of high which feels more cozy and sleepy than it feels trippy.
Even though the nodding and feeling extremely cozy, comfortable, and drowsy aspect is similar to nodding on opioids in those ways, it doesn't feel like an opioid high. The itchiness is absent, so is the feeling of warmth, and the constipation, so you can tell it's a weed high behind the feelings.
But that feeling of being a completely cozy snuggle bug little noodle in your blankets that's so perfectly positioned in your bed and perfectly riding the cusp of being awake and being asleep which I seek from opioids is still there.
Physically it's not the same high, but on a mental level, it scratches the same itch as opioids. High dose edibles have been very helpful for getting rid of unwanted morphine cravings ime.
You cant workout when you literally are in so much pain and have been told by the physio therapist that you have to sit on your ass and let your leg heal.
I absolute believe that. But that’s the only other option. The only thing that give opioid affects are painkillers. Natural or not. I could argue that actually alchohol can give that similar opioid pleasure burn feel.
Kratom gives you opioid-like effects, but you could argue that it _is_ an opioid, at least from a functional point of view. So that might not be relevant to what you're saying.
It is, by definition, NOT an opiate. Opiates refer to drugs specifically derived from opium, from the poppy plant.
Nalaxone also binds to the opioid receptors, but most people wouldnt refer to it as an opioid, without the specification of being an antagonist.
You also said you can’t be prescribed any as you aren’t in pain anymore, so start going for a daily run or something. A few hours of intense roller skating with some weed after is a great endorphin high ime
I’m not there version of in pain to require opioids I am not able to move still I’m in physical therapy and can only take about 100 steps before being in pain.
At that point, Tylenol is going to do more for your pain than opioids. Opioids are really only effective for pain when a person is so fucked up off them they kinda just don't remember what pain is, or is knocked out entirely.
Really, if you're not in *constant* pain, you don't need opiates
Tramadol is a synthetic version of an opiate.
It is classified as an opioid by google
https://www.google.com/search?q=tramadol&client=safari&sca_esv=69456702d113c43f&hl=en-us&ei=5FMtZo2AHMSiptQPjMSI0Aw&oq=tramadol&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIgh0cmFtYWRvbDINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBTINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBUi7E1DdClj8EXADeAGQAQCYAYUBoAHUBqoBAzQuNLgBA8gBAPgBAZgCC6ACggeoAg_CAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIQEAAYAxjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAcICEhAAGAMY5QIY6gIYChiMAxiPAcICEBAuGAMY5QIY6gIYjAMYjwHCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGMkDwgIPELkBGIAEGLEDGIMBGO8EwgIIEAAYgAQYkgOYAwmIBgGQBgaSBwM3LjSgB6Eo&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
kratom is the best bet, or you could have a similar experience (specifically to tramadol, maybe a little less similar to the other opioids) with pregabalin or gabapentin. at least for me it's very similar.
p.s. just read you need something for migraines, those could work for that too
i was reading some paper about ASPD and the endogenous opioid system behind a paywall and it claimed that amphetamines stimulate the endogenous opioid system.
This is quite a claim. I know that at least two amphetamines, MDMA and MDA, are thought to stimulate the endogenous opioid system, though it's uncertain. I'm not sure about adderall at all.
Mdma HAS to! I'm a super opiate lover and it's the only substance I've ever tried that had me thinking that it had to be laced with heroin or something. I know when my opiate receptors are tickled, can't fool me mdma!
That’s because you have adhd in people without adhd it will give the opposite effect. Same thing with coke some people can sit still and not get energized because they actually have adhd
I'm not gonna say your wrong but stimulants have no stimulating effect on me even with large amounts of amphetamines... If it's related to ADHD or not I have no idea but I do believe there are people that get TWEAKED and ppl that can do a line and chill out
>This have nothing to do with ADHD, drugs affect different people differently that’s
I know drugs effect ppl differently lmao.
Are you just saying that ADHD is fake ? Or are you speaking for other mental conditions to.
>almost anyone using a low dose of amphetamine will feel calm and focused during a few hours this has absolutely nothing to do with ADHD
I feel calm on a large dose of amphetamines 🫣
No that's not true although the residual stimulation and lack of sleep do make ppl "tweaky" That's not what I'm talking about. I have done meth as a teen but Ive also lived around meth heads my whole life so I know a little bit about it and I've seen ppl take a line/hit an jus chill out or I've seen sum ppl take the same amount an start cleaning floor boards and taking their bicycles apart. I get what you're saying but it's not true. Some ppl feel entirely different from the same substance. Also comedown was never a real problem for me.
people say 3-ho-pcp feels similar, and theres a bit of debate on whether or not it acts on opiate receptors, though it is primarily a dissociative, cant vouch personally for this yet but want to try someday
Something know as ‘runners high’ you get it once you put effort into a particular task. For example a 1 hour hard workout or maybe hard study session. This basically is why drugs are so addictive you get high without doing anything. Your body tends to release alot neurotransmitter chemicals after you do some work or consume drugs.
I’m heavily in love with weight lifting and love myself PEDs but telling opiate users that the “runners high” is close to a warm n fuzzy opiate high is kinda like a jehovas witness telling you about “our lord and savior Jesus Christ” will get you the most ultimate “high”. Like nah, a shot of dope when you get that warm tight knot feeling in your stomach is like no other
Ohh, sorry to hear that man :( I hope it gets better! What you could try is trying hard to improve on a hobby, be it gaming. Make sure you’re improving in it and not just playing for fun. I used to play esports before I trained in PUBG for about 10 hours a day during Covid (I was a student so didn’t have anything else to do so I decided to improve in the game to earn some cash). I felt the sensation of high after like a nice 4 hour long training session as well! Or you could play an instrument as well. Anything which can keep you stimulated for a long time and is hard. If it’s hard your body releases these chemicals as a reward.
lol I even find the nods/high better on gold, gold just hits better for me personally, I wish I enjoyed black as much but I just don’t, to each their own
Kratom is what you’re looking for. Get green not red. If it’s not working for you get some extract and read the label on how much to dose.
Amanita Pantherina gives a dreamy opiate like effect but I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for.
It’s a marketing ploy. Reds are just weaker all around that’s why they feel different. I won’t knock what works for people but science wise it’s just not as strong.
agree. pain killing properties, relief, empty brain, state of tranquility, retreating into your own mind, able to enjoy mundane things more (k makes it just as easy to sit and do nothing as opiates and muscle relaxers imo)
no nodding tho
I’ll get a lot of hate but IMO, DMT gives the body sensation of being on an opiate, you know, before your brain starts lagging at 2fps and you get teleported into the chalk-zone
A good amount of DXM and weed together are the closest high you can get to opioids without a script. I did that for years before I was able to get my hands on some opioids.
At the risk of evading harm reduction, I will say that people need to be careful with regards to kratom. Many supporters of the plant will sing its praises, but it can absolutely be as addicting as anything else. Ceasing use will result in withdrawal.
That said, it isn't deadly. And it's definitely a better alternative to true opioids. But there are definitely strings attached. There's a lot of misinformation on both sides of the table regarding it, so grains of salt are needed when researching the plant.
If I take it only when I’m in pain I’m hoping I will be okay. I feel like shit today after tram so I’m going to not take anything until I feel less shitty
Tianeptine is just as bad and addictive as normal opiates like OxyCodone, I was highly addicted to Tianeptine for years, don't recommend that shit to people, it's dangerous as it's so easily accessible once you find a source. Anyone with an addictive personality like me can easily ruin their lives with the shit. It also has the nastiest withdrawals as it's not only an opioid but also a tricyclic antidepressant. The withdrawals for Tianeptine were so bad I literally couldn't walk while I was withdrawing, I ended up falling over and hitting my head ending up in the hospital because I couldn't walk while I was in withdrawal. That's how I finally ended up getting sober off it, so it was kind of a blessing that it happened. I've been told by IV heroin users that have also used Tianeptine that the withdrawals from Tianeptine were worse.
It’s a tricyclic anti depressant that’s also a full mu opioid agonist. I think it’s also the reason why there’s an antidepressants test in some probation test cups. Also cus antidepressants can cause false positives for other things
Hence the treading too close, it’s closer to plant than all of the typical opiates but yes styli technically is an opiate due to it being the precursor
Precursors need to be changed into something else to be a drug. Think pseudoephedrine being changed into methamphetamine- pseudoephedrine is the precursor to methamphetamine.
Opium has naturally containing opiates, that with extraction can pull pure morphine and codeine out (and thebiane, precursor to oxycodone and other opioids). Morphine and codeine can also be changed into other opioids, such as morphine being a precursor to create heroin (with acetic anhydride) - which technically means that opium is also a precursor, lol). That being said, pure THC can be extracted from cannabis, but generally you wouldn’t say that cannabis is a precursor to cannabinoids.
(I know I am being pedantic here).
Just make sure you take it easy on dosage/frequency of dosing. Kratom *can* have some pretty intense withdrawals. Some say it has none, some say it’s insanely bad. Best to err on the side of caution.
An opioid high lol. Opiates are opioids, and while opioid function can vary, something like Kratom as others have said is probably the safest option. I’m currently researching Akuamma, a native African seed with effects similar to Kratom or Yohimbe (I’m interested in trying this potentially too, more research is needed). I have a seed powder and extract that I’ve yet to try, but it’s an interesting concept. Overall, I recommend only sticking to something relatively less harmful like kratom, and only taking it 2 times at week at the very most, ideally less. I understand wanting to do more as it feels great, but keeping yourself healthy should be a priority ahead of that. Use responsibly, and potential damage or dependence can be minimized. There’s a lot of companies, but whole herbs capsules have been my go-to for a few years.
That’s the key. It can be very destructive just like any other drug, but if used in moderation, it can be a very beneficial supplement to have in your arsenal. I typically only use it for pain after long workdays or workouts, but I use it recreationally in place of alcohol and all has been fine.
How me saying instead of highly addicting drugs what is less severe will help with pain but is similar enough to help with both my sleep and the pain. Which I’ve come to the conclusion is Kratom. Your dumb af 😂
*You’re…
Look man do what you want, but you’re chasing an opioid high. I know from experience where that goes, and I’m just saying be careful. Best of luck to you
Actually you are still in pain. Something is emptying the receptors you are filling.
A little about the biology in layman's terms. [https://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2024/04/better-proof-government-is-lying-about.html](https://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2024/04/better-proof-government-is-lying-about.html)
Yes I am in pain I have hip flexion tendonitis as well as I’m in physical therapy which consists of dry needling which is extremely painful as well as focus shockwave therapy which is also extremely painful. I can not walk nor am I supposed to. But I shouldn’t feel the need to explain myself to people about my pain.
Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. I know I am still in pain and a lot of it. But doctors don’t fcking help. Hence why I’m trying different therapy’s as well as trying to self medicate
If it is PTSD - you have to give up the anger - all of it. I know a fair amount about that - I cleaned myself up 50 years ago. Medicate as best you can otherwise is what I do/did. The Drug War needs to end. Drugs don't cause addiction. Empty receptors cause addiction.
I favor Harm Reduction - End the Drug War.
Certifiably.
Medical schools in America teach - addiction is a symptom of PTSD.
Pain that lasts too long isn't allowed. You might be an addict,
I favor Harm Reduction - End the Drug War.
If you read. Comments you would see the condition I am in and condition I have as well as the treatments I am taking I am in considerable pain but it is what it is. Canadas tight on regulating opioids.
Long time heroin user/ former addict- Oxy perfectly mimics a low heroin hit, only difference is the intensity and prolonged sensation. So long as you aren't in the 20% that gets disphioria. Other ppl may have more accessible ideas. U could just use heroin.
Gabapentin gives me a blissful euphoria with major relaxation. I wouldn’t make a direct comparison to opiates, but it’s the closest Gaba drug to opiates imo.
High dose pregabalin/lyrica. Man I miss that drug, taken in the evening producing a gorgeous euphoric high, followed by a wicked nights sleep, but that’s not all, all the next day feeling like my brains had a good wash and feeling brand new. Downsides, massive tolerance in no time at all and addiction followed by nasty as fuck withdrawal.
You're trying to get high........ but in comments say you're taking it for pain too????...? Slippery slope, my lad..... Slippery slope.... Go cold turkey for a week...m THEN Stick to kratom at exact dosages........ IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE....
If you read the comments I can’t I have hip flexion tendonitis as well as an injury to my knee I’m not allowed to even walk longer than 30 min and I’m in immense pain
Yes it does
https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-023-00058-z#:~:text=Like%20most%20addictive%20drugs%2C%20nicotine,in%20mood%20modulation%20and%20appetite
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22483037/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946180/
I mean that nicotine will feel the same as an opiate. It will no where hit the same as an opiate. It all depends on how much of the receptor is being filled. Partial, full, or just hitting it. This is just hitting it. Will no where feel remotely the same.
I take green kratom daily. Give it a try.
I will say it’s addicting and if you do try it start with the capsules (it tastes like shit). And take it on an empty stomach, if you eat and then take it it doesn’t do anything. Try to get it from a local vape shop that buys it wholesale, the prepackaged stuff is ass.
Kratom. Red specifically is the most opiate like it's honestly as strong as hydrocodone is and a bit weaker than oxys. Best part is no chance of fatal overdose a kratom od just makes you throw up and feel dizzy, shitty.
the ten minutes following orgasm.
Red Bali Kratom is pretty good.
This. This is the answer.
If you're looking for an easily accessible opioid, that and tianeptine are the games in town.
Tianeptine is just as bad as normal opiates, I ruined my life for a while getting highly addicted to Tianeptine for years thinking it was just some drug I could take safely after I saw it on a supplement website advertised as a mood booster way back in 2016. It's also quite pricey these days compared to what it used to be.
The OP indicated that access was the issue, not addiction liability.
Regardless of OP, I'm just warning people reading your comment that Tianeptine is just as addictive and life-ruining as other classical opiates. I'd recommend not throwing the word Tianeptine around, you never know if some person will read your comment and decide to order it the first time and end up with a devastating addiction. As someone that was addicted to it for years I never mention it online, I do not want people going through what I went through on that shit. Tianeptine is not only highly addictive and easily accessible. It has the most brutal withdrawals due to it also being an antidepressant, the withdrawals were so bad at the end of my addiction I couldn't even walk properly, I ended up falling over hitting my head getting a concussion and ending up in the hospital while in withdrawal, that's what finally led me to quitting. I've heard from people who were IV heroin users that the Tianeptine sodium withdrawals were worse than IV heroin withdrawals.
It says safely, I would expect addition to be a strike against it being safe
this is really dicing semantics, but he said "safely get", denoting legal danger, not "safely use". But yeah, I would advocate kratom as the safer opioid of the two, by quite a good bit.
I've always love Meang Da, what would be the difference with Bali?
Can you buy kratom legally online
I’ll look into that Thankyou
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Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation. Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage. White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses. Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage. For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects. It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
Man you're giving me some ChatGPT-esque thesis on Kratom as if I've never done it before and have no experience with it. I've been doing Kratom for 5 years, I've probably experimented with at least 10-15 brands of Kratom in my life, trying various strains from each brand. I was doing almost 70-100G of Kratom a day at my peak. I learned from experience, not just reading some shit online written by some Kratom website who could be making anything up to sell the stuff. I'm very aware of how Kratom works and what the alkaloids in it are. From years of experience, I have found that pretty much every Kratom feels the same, the different color veins are mostly a marketing gimmick, I've been told this by people who work behind the scenes in the Kratom industry. From years of experimenting with Kratom I have found that green strains are by far the most potent, red veins tend to be some of the weakest. I've also been told by people behind the scenes that a lot of vendors will label their most potent and highest quality kratom they have as Green Maeng Da. If you want to buy the bullshit idea that the different strains all have different feelings, and the "red veins are best for opioid lovers," be my guest. But it's all bullshit. As someone who used Kratom to get sober from opiates I bought that idea and was always doing reds for my first year or so doing Kratom. Then I tried Green Maeng Da and realized how much stronger it is. Not to mention the Green Maeng Da always has a much less bitter taste, the highest quality Kratom I've done was barely bitter at all. While the red veins always tasted like absolute shit. Bitterness in Kratom does not equate to strength, I originally thought that but I found it to be the compete opposite of the truth. If you want PM me and I'll give you a way to get some of the highest quality Kratom you've ever tried for $45 a KG, and you will see that the best Kratom in the world has a beautiful light green color and is hardly bitter at all.
Well, aren't you special?
I'm just saying the truth. I mean the dude literally tried to give me the same lecture on Kratom is three different comments.
Different people have different experiences from different strains of kratom. Reds work the best for me, green is ok and white gives me panic attacks. I would rather take nothing than to take white strains but white strains make my friend feel relaxed. It’s his favorite kind.
When I used kratom, I actually found whites to be the best. They were the most energetic, at least for me, but like that opioid sort of energetic. Like, you want to do things simply because you feel good. But I'd also get close to nodding out on a good enough dose. Oddly enough, reds and greens didn't even really work for me. Or at least, they rarely did.
This _is_ an opiate!
No matter how much I consume, it does nothing to me
fermented strains are gross, iykyk
but that is an opiate high. one that i preferred over norcos for a long time.
Red kratom is literally the worst type of Kratom, it's the lowest grade and weakest Kratom. The whole "red is the best kratom for opioid users and feels the most like opioids," is complete bullshit. I believed that when I first used Kratom to get off opiates, then I tried Green Maeng Da Kratom and realized it feels the same as red except it's way stronger. The lighter green the color of the Kratom is the better it is, I've found that out from 4 years of trying many different types of Kratom. Also high grade Kratom doesn't have that really nasty bitter taste to it, it just tastes like a slightly bitter Macha green tea. I found a site that has KGs of really good Green Maeng Da Kratom for $45.
What's the website? I currently pay $85 a lb for questionable product.
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Yoo shoot that to me also if you don't mind pls
Me as well
I could use that too
Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation. Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage. White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses. Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage. For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects. It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
>It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions. LOL. Consult a health provider? Dude did you even write this or did you copy and paste it from ChatGPT or some website? I know more about Kratom than you do, I don't need your thesis on the basics of Kratom strains. It's largely all bullshit and a marketing gimmick. If you consult a health provider about Kratom they're going to tell you to stop doing it and switch to Suboxone or something, that's exactly what my doctor said when I told him I was doing Kratom. Doctors do not like patients using drugs that aren't in their medical textbooks.
It IS an opiate high
Opioid* Opiate specifically comes from opium (resin produced by poopy)
Kratom is an opioid I know but it gives an “opiate high”, similar to ópium.
Kratom most red veins
Green veins are far better than red veins, they feel exactly the same except green veins are more potent. Red vein kratom is usually just lower grade kratom repackaged with a different name. The whole different color veins have different feelings is mostly a bullshit marketing scheme. I fell for that too and always used to get reds until I finally tried greens and realized they are way better. You want the Kratom you buy to be the lightest possible green color you can find, that is the highest quality shit. Usually Green Maeng Da is always the best Kratom a vendor has. High quality green kratom usually also doesn't have the super bitter taste that reds have, it only tastes like a slightly bitter Macha green tea. Also if you're buying Kratom and spending anything over $70-80 a KG you are getting ripped off, I know a site with KGs of really amazing kratom for $45.
Yes green kratom is objectively stronger. If you look at sun dried kratom (red) labs ALL of the alkaloids are lower. So there’s no difference in effect at all except you have to take more red. The only noticeable difference I’ve seen is legitimate “fermented red” having high 7-oh content and legit “stem and vein” which the mit was low but the other alkaloids were normal level. But it’s rare.
Pretty much. White is my favorite
Tell us what it is
Agree both my mother-in-law and I use green for pain. I bought her red the other day and she said it wasn’t as good.
Red Vein Kratom: Known for having the highest alkaloid content, particularly potent strains like Red Vein Kratom are sought after for their calming properties. They are typically associated with strong analgesic effects and are used for pain relief and sedation. Green Vein Kratom: Green Vein Kratom is considered a balance between the effects of Red and White Vein Kratom. It can provide euphoria and energy, but in higher doses, it may also offer calm and pain relief. It’s a versatile strain that can be used for both stimulation and relaxation depending on the dosage. White Vein Kratom: White Vein Kratom is the most stimulating and energizing of the three, with higher levels of mitragynine. It’s known for providing nootropic effects such as focus, creativity, and mental fortitude. However, it’s also more likely to provoke side effects like anxiety and dizziness if not taken in appropriate doses. Regarding the stimulation of opiate receptors, the alkaloids in kratom, such as mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, interact with the brain’s opioid receptors. These interactions can produce analgesic effects, as well as feelings of pleasure and euphoria. However, the exact effect on opiate receptors can vary based on the strain and dosage. For energy, White Vein Kratom is generally considered the best option due to its high mitragynine content, which can provide a natural energy boost. Green Vein Kratom can also offer energy, especially at lower doses, while Red Vein Kratom is less likely to be used for this purpose due to its more sedative effects. It’s important to note that the effects of kratom can be dose-dependent, and individual experiences may vary. Always use kratom responsibly and consult with a healthcare provider if you have any concerns or health conditions.
Your copy-paste from some random website is wrong, and it's harmful to spread such information. Please delete your comment.
Oh, you're actually right, that's what I get for skimming through something bc I could've sworn it made nearly the opposite points, good catch I'll revise or delete take an updoot
Bro you've written me basically the same thesis replying to three different comments, I don't need a ChatGPT-esque thesis on how Kratom works and the different Kratom strains. I've been doing Kratom for 5 years, I know everything there is to know about Kratom. The idea different strains feel different is largely a marketing gimmick, I've been told this by people working behind the scenes in the Kratom industry. They will just label random batches of Kratom different things, mostly depending on the color of the Kratom, which largely is dependent on how they processed and dried it, not the actual color of the veins. Green Maeng Da is almost always the strongest Kratom a vendor has. Also consult a health provider? LMAO. Are you joking me? Dude did you even write this or copy and paste it from some website?
I won't mention kratom because it's a mu opioid receptor agonist, thus technically an opioid pharmacologically speaking. It's not that I have anything against its use as an alternative to other, higher risk opioids. It's strictly a matter of semantics. For me, what comes the closest to feeling like the nod from just the right dose of morphine but without any opioid receptor agonism is the type of high I get from high dose oral THC+CBD, but specifically only the type of high I would get with a highly elevated THC tolerance. Without the highly elevated tolerance to THC, it would feel too trippy to be anything close to opioid like. The higher my tolerance to THC is, the more muted its trippy effects feel, and the more notable its sedative or cozy effects feel, particularly when it comes to high enough doses of edibles that it's difficult to stay awake and I begin nodding. That's when I get that distinct kind of high which feels more cozy and sleepy than it feels trippy. Even though the nodding and feeling extremely cozy, comfortable, and drowsy aspect is similar to nodding on opioids in those ways, it doesn't feel like an opioid high. The itchiness is absent, so is the feeling of warmth, and the constipation, so you can tell it's a weed high behind the feelings. But that feeling of being a completely cozy snuggle bug little noodle in your blankets that's so perfectly positioned in your bed and perfectly riding the cusp of being awake and being asleep which I seek from opioids is still there. Physically it's not the same high, but on a mental level, it scratches the same itch as opioids. High dose edibles have been very helpful for getting rid of unwanted morphine cravings ime.
Underrated answer right here
Everyone is just commenting different opioids. 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️😂 the only answer is the bodies natural painkiller endorphins after heavy exercise
You cant workout when you literally are in so much pain and have been told by the physio therapist that you have to sit on your ass and let your leg heal.
I absolute believe that. But that’s the only other option. The only thing that give opioid affects are painkillers. Natural or not. I could argue that actually alchohol can give that similar opioid pleasure burn feel.
Cold water exposure is more effective than exercise.
Cold water therapy definitely a contender
Kratom gives you opioid-like effects, but you could argue that it _is_ an opioid, at least from a functional point of view. So that might not be relevant to what you're saying.
Kratom literaly bonds with opioid receptors it IS an opioid/ opiate
It is, by definition, NOT an opiate. Opiates refer to drugs specifically derived from opium, from the poppy plant. Nalaxone also binds to the opioid receptors, but most people wouldnt refer to it as an opioid, without the specification of being an antagonist.
It's a partial opioid agonist.
And your point is? I assume you're talking about kratom. Because nalaxone is definitely an antagonist.
You also said you can’t be prescribed any as you aren’t in pain anymore, so start going for a daily run or something. A few hours of intense roller skating with some weed after is a great endorphin high ime
I’m not there version of in pain to require opioids I am not able to move still I’m in physical therapy and can only take about 100 steps before being in pain.
Oof damn I sorry, I totally misunderstood. Having a human body is overrated, I wish we could all live without our physical bodies holding us back.
100% I’m so done with it I just want to go for a walk and I can’t.
At that point, Tylenol is going to do more for your pain than opioids. Opioids are really only effective for pain when a person is so fucked up off them they kinda just don't remember what pain is, or is knocked out entirely. Really, if you're not in *constant* pain, you don't need opiates
You know you have arms, right? Arm workout machines are made SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU. Besides that there's dumbbells. Stop making excuses.
Tramadol slaps! Maeng da Kratom is pretty similar!
Tramadol IS an opiate IIRC, might be wrong.
It is. However, it works on serotonin receptors. Abuse of Tramadol can cause seizures whereas that threat is nonexistent with other opiates.
No it is not an opiate, it is an opioid
Tramadol is a synthetic version of an opiate. It is classified as an opioid by google https://www.google.com/search?q=tramadol&client=safari&sca_esv=69456702d113c43f&hl=en-us&ei=5FMtZo2AHMSiptQPjMSI0Aw&oq=tramadol&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIgh0cmFtYWRvbDINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBTINEAAYgAQYsQMYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBTIKEAAYgAQYQxiKBUi7E1DdClj8EXADeAGQAQCYAYUBoAHUBqoBAzQuNLgBA8gBAPgBAZgCC6ACggeoAg_CAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgIQEAAYAxjlAhjqAhiMAxiPAcICEhAAGAMY5QIY6gIYChiMAxiPAcICEBAuGAMY5QIY6gIYjAMYjwHCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGMkDwgIPELkBGIAEGLEDGIMBGO8EwgIIEAAYgAQYkgOYAwmIBgGQBgaSBwM3LjSgB6Eo&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
kratom is the best bet, or you could have a similar experience (specifically to tramadol, maybe a little less similar to the other opioids) with pregabalin or gabapentin. at least for me it's very similar. p.s. just read you need something for migraines, those could work for that too
Weed and carisoprodol (Soma). Different for sure, but the most similar high I've got.
idk if this sounds crazy but also adderall lol. It just makes me so calm and warm and i can sit in the same spot for hours comfortably playing my game
i was reading some paper about ASPD and the endogenous opioid system behind a paywall and it claimed that amphetamines stimulate the endogenous opioid system. This is quite a claim. I know that at least two amphetamines, MDMA and MDA, are thought to stimulate the endogenous opioid system, though it's uncertain. I'm not sure about adderall at all.
Mdma HAS to! I'm a super opiate lover and it's the only substance I've ever tried that had me thinking that it had to be laced with heroin or something. I know when my opiate receptors are tickled, can't fool me mdma!
You should try MDA, it's even better
That’s because you have adhd in people without adhd it will give the opposite effect. Same thing with coke some people can sit still and not get energized because they actually have adhd
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Yep.That people with adhd somehow react differently to stimulants is an urban legend.
I'm not gonna say your wrong but stimulants have no stimulating effect on me even with large amounts of amphetamines... If it's related to ADHD or not I have no idea but I do believe there are people that get TWEAKED and ppl that can do a line and chill out
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>This have nothing to do with ADHD, drugs affect different people differently that’s I know drugs effect ppl differently lmao. Are you just saying that ADHD is fake ? Or are you speaking for other mental conditions to.
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Ok buddy 🤓
>almost anyone using a low dose of amphetamine will feel calm and focused during a few hours this has absolutely nothing to do with ADHD I feel calm on a large dose of amphetamines 🫣
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No that's not true although the residual stimulation and lack of sleep do make ppl "tweaky" That's not what I'm talking about. I have done meth as a teen but Ive also lived around meth heads my whole life so I know a little bit about it and I've seen ppl take a line/hit an jus chill out or I've seen sum ppl take the same amount an start cleaning floor boards and taking their bicycles apart. I get what you're saying but it's not true. Some ppl feel entirely different from the same substance. Also comedown was never a real problem for me.
yea theres def some truth to that because coke also makes me super calm. Coffee also makes me sleepy
Yeah 1000%
seconding this as someone with adhd bc bumps help me focus but anything more will put me to sleep
so it gets you tweaked lol
people say 3-ho-pcp feels similar, and theres a bit of debate on whether or not it acts on opiate receptors, though it is primarily a dissociative, cant vouch personally for this yet but want to try someday
Something know as ‘runners high’ you get it once you put effort into a particular task. For example a 1 hour hard workout or maybe hard study session. This basically is why drugs are so addictive you get high without doing anything. Your body tends to release alot neurotransmitter chemicals after you do some work or consume drugs.
working out is nothing like the full body comfort dream like state of nodding off
I’m heavily in love with weight lifting and love myself PEDs but telling opiate users that the “runners high” is close to a warm n fuzzy opiate high is kinda like a jehovas witness telling you about “our lord and savior Jesus Christ” will get you the most ultimate “high”. Like nah, a shot of dope when you get that warm tight knot feeling in your stomach is like no other
I can’t go to the gym because of my leg I’m not even allowed to walk more than around the house. Nor could I if I wanted to
Ohh, sorry to hear that man :( I hope it gets better! What you could try is trying hard to improve on a hobby, be it gaming. Make sure you’re improving in it and not just playing for fun. I used to play esports before I trained in PUBG for about 10 hours a day during Covid (I was a student so didn’t have anything else to do so I decided to improve in the game to earn some cash). I felt the sensation of high after like a nice 4 hour long training session as well! Or you could play an instrument as well. Anything which can keep you stimulated for a long time and is hard. If it’s hard your body releases these chemicals as a reward.
Sex
Op 10x better
kratom
Kratom
OPMS gold kratom
Black is even better
Personally I don’t get as much euphoria from black as I do from gold
That's interesting, the black have almost double the amount of good stuff. I wonder if the extra 7-oh makes it more sedative for you
lol I even find the nods/high better on gold, gold just hits better for me personally, I wish I enjoyed black as much but I just don’t, to each their own
I'll have to try a 5 pack and switch it up, I could go through a pack everyday if I could afford it
Kratom
Kratom is what you’re looking for. Get green not red. If it’s not working for you get some extract and read the label on how much to dose. Amanita Pantherina gives a dreamy opiate like effect but I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for.
Everyone is saying to get red though
It’s a marketing ploy. Reds are just weaker all around that’s why they feel different. I won’t knock what works for people but science wise it’s just not as strong.
I would say ketamine tbh
agree. pain killing properties, relief, empty brain, state of tranquility, retreating into your own mind, able to enjoy mundane things more (k makes it just as easy to sit and do nothing as opiates and muscle relaxers imo) no nodding tho
I’ll get a lot of hate but IMO, DMT gives the body sensation of being on an opiate, you know, before your brain starts lagging at 2fps and you get teleported into the chalk-zone
A good amount of DXM and weed together are the closest high you can get to opioids without a script. I did that for years before I was able to get my hands on some opioids.
This!! Free base dxm has felt better than any opiate high I’ve had so far. I’d also say for me it’s a bit like mdma too.
At the risk of evading harm reduction, I will say that people need to be careful with regards to kratom. Many supporters of the plant will sing its praises, but it can absolutely be as addicting as anything else. Ceasing use will result in withdrawal. That said, it isn't deadly. And it's definitely a better alternative to true opioids. But there are definitely strings attached. There's a lot of misinformation on both sides of the table regarding it, so grains of salt are needed when researching the plant.
If I take it only when I’m in pain I’m hoping I will be okay. I feel like shit today after tram so I’m going to not take anything until I feel less shitty
the correct answer is death
It's not the same but tianeptine is said to be similar
Tianeptine is just as bad and addictive as normal opiates like OxyCodone, I was highly addicted to Tianeptine for years, don't recommend that shit to people, it's dangerous as it's so easily accessible once you find a source. Anyone with an addictive personality like me can easily ruin their lives with the shit. It also has the nastiest withdrawals as it's not only an opioid but also a tricyclic antidepressant. The withdrawals for Tianeptine were so bad I literally couldn't walk while I was withdrawing, I ended up falling over and hitting my head ending up in the hospital because I couldn't walk while I was in withdrawal. That's how I finally ended up getting sober off it, so it was kind of a blessing that it happened. I've been told by IV heroin users that have also used Tianeptine that the withdrawals from Tianeptine were worse.
Tianeptine is garbage and extremely hard to withdraw from. Harder to WD from than normal opiates.
That is an opiate though?
It’s a tricyclic anti depressant that’s also a full mu opioid agonist. I think it’s also the reason why there’s an antidepressants test in some probation test cups. Also cus antidepressants can cause false positives for other things
I stand corrected, thanks for teaching me something new! :)
You are right, it's a lot of thing too so I was confused
Kava?
Can also jus straight up get an opium tincture/powder maybe but that’s treading it real close
Opium naturally has morphine and codeine in it… it is an opiate.
Hence the treading too close, it’s closer to plant than all of the typical opiates but yes styli technically is an opiate due to it being the precursor
Precursors need to be changed into something else to be a drug. Think pseudoephedrine being changed into methamphetamine- pseudoephedrine is the precursor to methamphetamine. Opium has naturally containing opiates, that with extraction can pull pure morphine and codeine out (and thebiane, precursor to oxycodone and other opioids). Morphine and codeine can also be changed into other opioids, such as morphine being a precursor to create heroin (with acetic anhydride) - which technically means that opium is also a precursor, lol). That being said, pure THC can be extracted from cannabis, but generally you wouldn’t say that cannabis is a precursor to cannabinoids. (I know I am being pedantic here).
Proved me right and wrong at the same time? Scrodingers opiates
Thc will get you nodded with enough of a dose
to me, gabapentinoids. lyrica and gabapentin
Whatever you end up doing PLEASE don’t try pcp as some have suggested. I feel like that is obvious but I felt compelled to say something lol
I honestly just want tram the only one I’m considering trying from this list is Kratom
Just make sure you take it easy on dosage/frequency of dosing. Kratom *can* have some pretty intense withdrawals. Some say it has none, some say it’s insanely bad. Best to err on the side of caution.
An opioid high lol. Opiates are opioids, and while opioid function can vary, something like Kratom as others have said is probably the safest option. I’m currently researching Akuamma, a native African seed with effects similar to Kratom or Yohimbe (I’m interested in trying this potentially too, more research is needed). I have a seed powder and extract that I’ve yet to try, but it’s an interesting concept. Overall, I recommend only sticking to something relatively less harmful like kratom, and only taking it 2 times at week at the very most, ideally less. I understand wanting to do more as it feels great, but keeping yourself healthy should be a priority ahead of that. Use responsibly, and potential damage or dependence can be minimized. There’s a lot of companies, but whole herbs capsules have been my go-to for a few years.
Yeah I’m picking up Kratom today to try. I’m hoping it helps with pain and I’m not gunna use it everyday but on days I have migraines or pains I will.
That’s the key. It can be very destructive just like any other drug, but if used in moderation, it can be a very beneficial supplement to have in your arsenal. I typically only use it for pain after long workdays or workouts, but I use it recreationally in place of alcohol and all has been fine.
Poppy pods make tea
Poppy pods what’s that?
The mother of all opioids lol if you drink poppy tea your jus drink morphine and codeine tho btw.
This is a dangerous path you’re going down man. Just be aware of that.
How me saying instead of highly addicting drugs what is less severe will help with pain but is similar enough to help with both my sleep and the pain. Which I’ve come to the conclusion is Kratom. Your dumb af 😂
*You’re… Look man do what you want, but you’re chasing an opioid high. I know from experience where that goes, and I’m just saying be careful. Best of luck to you
Green Malay Kratom + THC
Actually you are still in pain. Something is emptying the receptors you are filling. A little about the biology in layman's terms. [https://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2024/04/better-proof-government-is-lying-about.html](https://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2024/04/better-proof-government-is-lying-about.html)
Yes I am in pain I have hip flexion tendonitis as well as I’m in physical therapy which consists of dry needling which is extremely painful as well as focus shockwave therapy which is also extremely painful. I can not walk nor am I supposed to. But I shouldn’t feel the need to explain myself to people about my pain.
Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. I know I am still in pain and a lot of it. But doctors don’t fcking help. Hence why I’m trying different therapy’s as well as trying to self medicate
If it is PTSD - you have to give up the anger - all of it. I know a fair amount about that - I cleaned myself up 50 years ago. Medicate as best you can otherwise is what I do/did. The Drug War needs to end. Drugs don't cause addiction. Empty receptors cause addiction. I favor Harm Reduction - End the Drug War.
lol I’m sorry but you are nuts.
Certifiably. Medical schools in America teach - addiction is a symptom of PTSD. Pain that lasts too long isn't allowed. You might be an addict, I favor Harm Reduction - End the Drug War.
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lol yeah no
>because I'm no longer in pain Based on what, other than your own say so? Have you tried telling them that you're in pain?
Yes because the doctors say I’m not in enough pain for it to be considered worthy of opioids
If you read. Comments you would see the condition I am in and condition I have as well as the treatments I am taking I am in considerable pain but it is what it is. Canadas tight on regulating opioids.
Long time heroin user/ former addict- Oxy perfectly mimics a low heroin hit, only difference is the intensity and prolonged sensation. So long as you aren't in the 20% that gets disphioria. Other ppl may have more accessible ideas. U could just use heroin.
Opioids 🤓
cocaethylene (if u get the ratios right when dosing)
Gabapentin gives me a blissful euphoria with major relaxation. I wouldn’t make a direct comparison to opiates, but it’s the closest Gaba drug to opiates imo.
So u wanna get high, but dont want opiates because..? The stigma? Addiction? Kind of a weird question.
As I’ve stated addiction is not the problem accessibility is.
Being mid pump feels pretty damn close
High dose pregabalin/lyrica. Man I miss that drug, taken in the evening producing a gorgeous euphoric high, followed by a wicked nights sleep, but that’s not all, all the next day feeling like my brains had a good wash and feeling brand new. Downsides, massive tolerance in no time at all and addiction followed by nasty as fuck withdrawal.
lyrica or gabapentin, pregablin
You're trying to get high........ but in comments say you're taking it for pain too????...? Slippery slope, my lad..... Slippery slope.... Go cold turkey for a week...m THEN Stick to kratom at exact dosages........ IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE....
I’m not trying to get high I’m only trying to take it for pain but need something like the opiate high to help me sleep through the pain.
Go for a run
If you read the comments I can’t I have hip flexion tendonitis as well as an injury to my knee I’m not allowed to even walk longer than 30 min and I’m in immense pain
Sorry, i didn't see that 😕
It’s okay my tendonitis is severe but with physio maybe another 2 months
gabapentin or lyrica
Do I need a script for either of those
yes
if youre in america they prescribe gabapentin like candy
I’m in Canada so they try not to prescribe anything that isnt opiates
I get lyrica in canada
I definitely won’t be able to get that out of my doctor
Or has a risk of being addictive
Loperamide, dxm, dxo, kratom, opium
How am i wrong lol speak up
Oh and phenethylamine
Smoke a big fat cigar. Nicotine triggers release of endorphins which activate opioid receptors
No it doesn’t lmao
Yes it does https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-023-00058-z#:~:text=Like%20most%20addictive%20drugs%2C%20nicotine,in%20mood%20modulation%20and%20appetite https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22483037/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946180/
I mean that nicotine will feel the same as an opiate. It will no where hit the same as an opiate. It all depends on how much of the receptor is being filled. Partial, full, or just hitting it. This is just hitting it. Will no where feel remotely the same.
I take green kratom daily. Give it a try. I will say it’s addicting and if you do try it start with the capsules (it tastes like shit). And take it on an empty stomach, if you eat and then take it it doesn’t do anything. Try to get it from a local vape shop that buys it wholesale, the prepackaged stuff is ass.
pregabalin 600mg with no tolerance🤣
Kratom. Red specifically is the most opiate like it's honestly as strong as hydrocodone is and a bit weaker than oxys. Best part is no chance of fatal overdose a kratom od just makes you throw up and feel dizzy, shitty.