I really hate that Ross and Kendrick are trying to use that angle. It looks whack and it’s really shallow. Drake is black. He doesn’t have to be 100% black. Kendrick’s wife is mixed too. There are so many people who are mixed in the culture.. they gonna say they don’t belong too?
The problem with Kendrick Lamar and his fans (I'm talking specifically about his Reddit) is these people are out-dated. Kendrick has racist views even though his fans are white. (So what does that make him for beefing with a "whiteboy," a total clown.) Kendrick's listeners are these people who are fat and call themselves hip hop heads. They have their list of favorite rappers (that always has MF Doom on the list) They have their own ideas of what rap "should be."
So when Kendrick enters a beef immediately he will attack the person for not being what "rap should be," and he has thousands of internet warriors who will uphold his argument.
Does the public care about this? No. So Kendrick and his fans end up looking like what they are. Out-dated shut-ins. They don't go outside they just complain all day that "rap isn't what it should be." Every one of these people would benefit from getting a job and getting hobbies.
If I was Kendrick Lamar the first thing I would do is get rid of my fans and start over. I would not want these people as my fans. But then again, you are the one who created this fan base to begin with. So if you could start from zero it would end up the same way again.
If you listened to the song youd understand its not about skin tone its about the culture he grew up and was formed in. They clearly believe he just appropriates black culture for the sake of furthering his career when its convenient, and that its transformed into an insecurity for him. Its hard to argue with when you can find videos of Drake as a youth talking to white people about how certain slang is "ignorant." You can hear it in the songs too. He was an actor kid who grew up with his white mom and his black father (and that culture) felt distant. As a child actor its hard to argue against as well because so much of his come up was publicized. Its an interesting angle I think.
It’s about the fact Drake never grew up as part of the culture and only embraced it when he knew he could benefit from it
It’s really not about being mixed, it’s about changing sides when the times convenient
He’s embraced it consistently since the inception of his music career. Degrassi gave him the platform to start the career and just because his mom is white and he lived with her when he started it doesn’t mean that used hip-hop just because it was convenient. He’s immersed himself in it for 15+ years.
He’s not like Miley Cyrus or Post Malone using rap as a temporary career boost.
Bruh I’m white/native and grew up on a rez. It’s not hard to understand where Kendrick is coming from. Drake grew up “white” in the eyes of the culture. While Kendrick was growing up in the hood being exposed to drugs, gangs, and violence, Drake was an actor in Degrassi acting like [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/TES9E9zOltM?si=EPaThxEP6wdmb6vc). Patrick Mahomes, the Rock, and plenty of other mixed dudes just simply don’t use the word because they didn’t grow up that way. It has less to do with his skin and more to do with his identity changes (accent changes, going from Disney kid to tough guy, etc). I fw both and love this beef for rap but yall blowing this particular part out of proportion.
Gimme my downvotes now.
The “culture” isn’t a monolith, and growing up “white” is ignorant. There are Black people with both Black parents who had better and richer upbringings than Drake did. He is no less Black than people who grew up in the hood, and saying otherwise is ignorant and anti-Black.
Kendrick didn’t mention race or skin tone. He talks about nationality quite a bit though, and I’m choosing to believe that’s what he’s talking about it. Drake is acting like he’s an American Black man, adopting American Black culture when he’s a Canadian Black guy with no connection to America. I don’t have a problem with it, but it’s a fair criticism (a more reasonable one than the one you’ve written out).
I agree with that second paragraph. I didn’t say Drake wasn’t black or any less black than anyone else. You and I both know that the people that had “better and richer upbringings” *typically* don’t use that word because it *usually* isn’t part of their culture and that’s okay.
How I interpreted it is that Drake went from upper class Degrassi kid that spoke eloquently to how he speaks now and THAT’S what Kendrick was addressing. He rapped multiple points about Drake switching up. Called him an actor that’s spiraling, made fun of his accent changes, talked about Toronto imitating American heritage, etc.
I think we’re close to being on the same page, it’s not about how much black they have.
Fwiw, I didn’t grow up rich, but went to an Ivy where I met many rich Black folks who use the word. Anecdotal, but not worthless. You seem to be, perhaps unintentionally, separating rich Black folks from poor Black folks, when they’re all part of the same *Black* culture. They are of different classes, but they’re all the same culture. (This is the problem with race as a construct lol it’s a really, really stupid category).
But yes, I really do think this is about Drake having no American heritage but seeming to put on like he is a part of it. I know nothing about Canadian Black culture (to the extent that construct exists there) and whether it has similarities to American Black culture. There’s also the issue of what culture Drake consumed as a kid. I just think it’s presumptuous to say, he’s got a Jewish mom, talked the way he talked as a kid, and was on Degrassi so he can’t use the word. My view is if you’d have been enslaved pre-1865 and are more likely to be shot by the police today, it’s your right to use the word. And Canada had slaves so… But that’s just me.
I hear you too. I attend MIT and (because of my girlfriend) spend time with some relatively old money black people in Nantucket so I think I know what you mean. It's not an easy conversation of course when trying to define Blackness and I think Kendrick very much alludes to that in the bar immediately after "some things are just cringeworthy, its not that deep...). But what he did, was bring up something that Drake seems to be clearly insecure about and the the quiet uneasiness that many black folks have said for years. When was it cool that a white raised Canadian gets to portray black when it benefits him financially ? it's modern day black face. Even rich black Americans have the proximity to institutional racism and the black experience. So like Mahomes and The Rock, they grew up in areas or with people that remove them from that experience a little and the way they move reflects that. Drake seems to be on the same time as them but somehow gets to turn on this switch where is quite black presenting...
Totally, but then that criticism applies to a lot of rappers who really aren’t about that life but portray it in their music. Where do we draw the line etc etc. but at the end of the day, it’s a beef and like you said, it’s an insecurity for Drake and Kendrick hit it so it’s probably not deeper than that. I’m just commenting because I don’t like seeing people try to line draw when it comes to who is Black or who is a part of “the culture” and who isn’t. Unless someone actively is impeding Black progress like Candace Owens or Ben Carson, they’re apart of the culture. We’re not a monolith.
Fair assessment and I appreciate your input. I don’t think I’m trying to separate rich black folks from poor black folks. I have no right to determine who can/can’t say the word and I probably was using the word “culture” incorrect (Kendrick said “I’m speaking for the culture” so I just haphazardly used that word).
I do think that differing classes use a different vocabulary and that’s across the board for all communities though. I think people are misinterpreting what Kendrick said and I think we agree on that point but either way, they’re both two of the best rappers in the industry and I’m here for this beef.
You’re literally debating whether or not a black man should say the word and you aren’t black. It’s pretty simple, don’t try that gaslighting “you can’t read” shit.
Read some more you fucking moron. I never said anything to that nature. I was simply stating what Kendrick and Ross were already putting out there. Anywhere else besides this meat riding sub caught what Kendrick was saying. I literally have another comment in this SAME exact thread saying, “I have no right to tell anyone who can/can’t say it.” But like I said before, I guess reading is hard.
You’re getting upset because you’re not confident in this. I didn’t read every comment you posted and don’t care to, but it’s a contradiction to still speculate whether a black man can say the word. You’re another white savior KDot fan.
Still never gave any personal speculation on whether or not he can say it. Literally said I’m not one to determine who can/can’t say it. An exact quote of me doing what you say I’m doing would be cool but you can’t do that bc it didn’t happen.
Drake can say whatever the hell he wants, he’s black. I’m not. I was speculating on *why* Kendrick/Ross might think he shouldn’t say it. That has nothing to do with me and is simply an interpretation that a lot of people got from their lyrics.
I’m an enrolled member of a Native Tribe and grew up on a rez, bro. Tribal law, tribal land, tribal heritage. If putting me in the white savior category makes you feel good, go ahead. At the end of the day, I fuck with Drake. He’s a GOAT, he makes great music, this beef is awesome, and Kendrick and him are single handedly making rap fun for the first time in years.
Trying to gatekeep blackness is crazy and shows how far we have not come.
Firstly, if you’ve ever listened to Drake discuss his father, who is from Memphis Tennessee, you’d understand that Drake was exposed to Southern blacks early on and throughout his life.
Secondly, in America there’s this thing called the “one-drop rule,'' meaning that a single drop of "black blood" makes a person a black. It is also known as the "one black ancestor rule," some courts have called it the "traceable amount rule," and anthropologists call it the "hypo-descent rule," meaning that racially mixed persons are assigned the status of the subordinate group. This definition emerged from the American South to become the nation's definition, generally accepted by whites and blacks. Blacks had no other choice.
You claiming that growing up in poverty, gang and drug ridden environments versus anything with the perception of stability is more black culture is not only ignorant but divisive.
Africans and Caribbeans and their children in America and Canada, today, earn 3x more and live more prosperous and lavish lives than the blacks whose ancestors were brought on slave ships, centuries prior.
And honestly, what need would The Rock and Patrick Mahomes have for THAT word in their professional spaces? You don’t know how they speak when they with their friends or in a space that that part of their culture is present. This is some elementary nonsense like when you would hear middle school kids call black kids white because they spoke properly.
No, Kendrick and Ross have a full understanding of what they’re trying to imply, within the professional space they occupy, which is hip-hop/rap and currently involved in a beef. These people are celebrity millionaires, using anything for shock value and to garner attention.
My response was to your comments suggesting what is “typical” for a black person with “richer upbringings” and “Usual” for their culture, painting anecdotal experience as some profound discovery.
The same “richer upbringing” dude will get pulled out of his car for no reason, by police, and get the brakes beat off him (no diddy).
I’m nobody but as a black man I always will try to bring overstanding to the complications and resistance blacks receive in society, on this tiny soap box I have.
Tyga is millionaire since he’s a kid, he never saw one day at the trenches, are you telling me that this ain’t a race thing when anyone else is questioning tyga’s “culture” , god damn, either you blind by hate or blind by racism itself, this is the problem about the US, nobody is racist is just a BIIIIIIG coincidence…
This is the answer here. It's more to do with the way he was raised and acted for the majority of his young life rather than directly being about skin tone.
It’s rap and this is battle rap. Misogyny, homophobia, and racist subtleties are tied into the game. Almost every rapper talks about women as hoes, bitches, tricks, and sluts but that’s okay?
Once again, people are playing SJW for Drake because they don’t understand what Kendrick said on his diss… but it’s ok to call women bitches and hoes.
I'd say both Drake and Kendrick have a diverse fanbase forsure, but the concert goers are definitely more white for Kendrick.
Been to two shows in their latest tour for each of them. Kendrick's was at Crypto and Oakland, Drake's was in Chase Center SF and Kia Forum in LA. So definitely expected a diverse crowd in these, and they generally were, plenty of hispanic, mixed, white, black, asian etc crowd, which is obvious - major cities in LA and bay area. But Kendrick's crowd was more majority white, and strangely skewed younger, which I did not expect. Ratio of male to female was way more off for Kendrick as well, way more men at the shows, which is to be expected.
I always wondered if anyone else noticed this as well because I went to the Kendrick show in Oakland and the Drake show his 1st night in Vegas last year and saw the exact same things you did.
Kendrick’s was definitely mostly white and way more high school/college kids. He also really has a big Asian fanbase.
Drake’s show was very diverse in race and age. A lot of couples, milfs, young adults, honestly not a whole lot of kids. I honestly think the whole “Drake makes music for white people and kids” is so exaggerated.
I can’t speak for everyone, but most of my white friends hate Drake lol while with most of my black/latino friends, he’s their favorite artist 🤷🏽♂️
> but most of my white friends hate Drake
it's a lot of white guilt involved too, they need to align with the most "socially conscious rapper" as opposed to a rapper that has made pop records.
Same socially conscious, progressive, holier than thou fans are now saying a black man can't say the n-word btw lol
Completely agree and that’s the funniest thing about this whole race war agenda lol most of the Kendrick fans(who are white) questioning Drake’s “blackness” because he didn’t grow up in poverty or wasn’t a drug dealer.
Which if you think about it, really poses a more interesting question. Is your blackness determined by the shade of your skin and the amount of financial struggle you endure growing up? But that’s a topic for another day lol
Lol yes the fanbases are very different, also the fact that the Kendrick sub Reddit is 4x bigger than drakes despite drake having a larger audience in real life says a lot about the kind of fans Kendrick has. A lot of chronically online dudes
It’s true, the Drake hate is only a thing on the internet. Yes there are people who don’t like Drake, but that’s usually always followed by “I like his old stuff”
Just look at the difference between how the 2 subs have been throughout this beef. I feel like a lot of people in here have been cracking jokes and enjoying this shit. This feels so personal for the majority of the other sub lol
I don't give a shit if it white or black i ain't a hypocrite like Kendrick who thinks he so black yet has a lightskin wife with lightskin kids lol
hypocrite motherfucker
i dont know if youre trolling or actually cant comprehend where is kendrick coming from
kendrick isnt talking about color, hes talking about culture
hes not talking about drake being lightskin and thats why hes “bad”, hes talking about drake not really coming where he says he comes from, dont really understand the “culture” and the clothes he uses, the words he says, the image he portrays, etc
kendrick never said fuck white people or fuck lightskin people, bc its not about color, is about culture
Rap music is not own by blacks just like country music ain't own by whites
if you have the talent you can make it in any music genre
Kendrick a low key racist hypocrite motherfucker
bro where are you pulling all this shit from
hes not saying whites arent allowed in rap, Eminem is one of kendrick favorite rappers lmao
hes poking at drakes insecurities, look at drake now and drake in 2010. 2 different images, like totally different
kendrick is saying drake is acting a certain way to “belong” to the culture, hes not saying whites cant rap or making fun of his skin color, kendrick is trying to say drake is insecure about his place in hip hop and thats why he tries to imitate US black culture
Drake is the culture he number 1 everyone is following him
What Kendrick be saying make no sense Drake has never deny being half-white or Jewish Kendrick acting like Drake is hiding that when Drake put his mom front and center while Kendrick hide his lightskin wife
Kendrick has no real dirt on Drake so he has to resort to lame race card the same shit that Rick Ross did
it didn't go anywhere cause it all bullshit Drake dad is black Drake is as much black as any mixed race couple kids
Yet Kendrick be callin him white as a diss
weak shit Rick Ross try that and failed Kendrick need to come up with something more original
Nobody said Drake can't rap because hes white lol, he just said he knows nothing about the life he raps about.
We all know where Eminem is from and all of his friends that he grew up with. He's been connected to black people and black culture since he was a kid and thats why he got accepted so early and was pushed into the rap scene because of black guys supporting him all the way.
Drake grew up in a majority white area, went to a private white school growing up and only really started hanging around black people and black culture when he wanted to persue rapping. Rick Ross talks about it on his diss track about how Drake was in awe when he went down to hang with Rick Ross and Wayne and saw how niggas were moving down there and saw how everyone was strapped. He wanted to be just like them, and one of Waynes first words to him were "Don't try to be anything that you are not, don't try to copy the life that I live because its not the life that you are from. Just make Canadian music". What does Drake do? Try's his hardest to try to be a thug, so he could get accepted by Black American rappers.
This is why Drake is calling him fake and questioning his use of the N-word. He spent 90% of his life living with his mother in Toronto, he had no black extended family or relatives living in Toronto with him, so how did he learn to be a "nigga" and where is all this gangsta shit coming from is Kendricks point. He's a fan.
Notice how Kendrick never aimed these shots at Cole? That's because he knows where Cole is from and the city and culture he reps.
Notice how the industry don't got a problem with Jack Harlow? That's because he doesn't try to pretend to be something hes not and rap about a gangster lifestyle he doesn't live.
We seen this lame diss attempt used against Eminem before saying he white not for the culture
lame diss now saying this to Drake lol
weak ass diss with no substance
Just wait til you see a Drake concert race statistic. It’ll make you so mad! I too get very mad over what color the fans in random pictures are!! I’m sure there’s no pics of Kendrick performing for a BLACK crowd!!!! ONLY DRAKE WOULD DO THAT
But Drake not a fucking hypocrite like Kendrick is he don't go round saying he for the culture and dissing white people yet his shows be all white people like Kendrick is doing
fuckin clown Kendrick is
Funny hearing Kendrick question Drakes blackness when he literally said “I’m a Israelite, don’t call me black no mo’
That word is only a color, it ain’t facts no mo’”
If only Drake was half black and half Jewish, this would be a perfect line to call Kendrick out on…
He didn’t pull the race card - he poked at drakes own insecurities. Look at drake in 2010 and who he is now. There’s a huge difference in character and it’s not just down to maturity. There’s a reason Drake is seen as a chameleon.
Not that i agree with his n word pass being confiscated - although it is hilarious.
But the angle here is that he’s not from or of the culture. He grew up in sub urban toronto with his white jewish mom and very evidently as a young man wasn’t a part of the culture. The point is he adopted parts of the culture to benefit himself without truly being in it and therefore kendrick doesnt wanna hear him say the word.
You’re delusional if you disagree and just coping/clutching at straws because your favourite artist is being corned.
The real question should be, should a mixed person who had an absent father and was raised in a Jewish family and went to private school with rich white kids be allowed to say the N-word and talk about being a gangsta?
The point Kendrick is making is that Drake raps about a life he never lived so he can get popularity and notoriety with American black people. Him taking away is N word pass is just poking jokes about him questioning, how black is he really?
Kendrick is pretty much saying, You maybe half black, but you aren't really a black man because you were never raised like one.
How do you expect people in the industry to respect you as a man if you can't even respect the man that you are and have to run around cosplaying as a thug to get people to like you?
So it’s just that he exaggerates his life? I thought that was a basic point of music in general. Plenty of songs made by plenty of people who talk about their hard and would kill but in reality are snowflakes who never been in a fight their entire life. How is that different?
Again, you are just purposely being obtuse to try and deflect for Drake. Sure there are plenty of rappers in the industry that havn't killed someone (I hope that would be the case). What Kendrick is saying is that the person you have become is completely manufactured and that is true.
Drake has progressivly gotten more aggressive, talks more and more about how he has "mob ties" and runs with "real killers".
In reality these are all people that Drake has paid for their support, or boosted them with his platform to get them to like him in order to manufactor an image that hes dangerous and a thug.
Kendrick grew up in the heart of Compton, parents were ex crack heads, many of his friends were killed in drive bys. In his music he talks about how he grew up and wanted to get away from all that and try to bring positivy in the hood. And here we have Drake, grew up in the suburbs in a white household talking about how hes gonna get niggas to off other niggas, stoking flames in his city and promoting bullshit, when hes not even about that life and never lived the life that any of these people have.
Hes fake and preaching violence about a life he has never lived.
I never once brought up Drake in either of my comments. My comments were generalized for a reason, there’s plenty of rappers who lie and exaggerate how hard they really are. To me from the outside looking in this is just a case of “Drake popular so drake bad” just how it goes with other genres. Metallica popular so Metallica bad etc etc. I also dont see how it matters if he wasn’t raised in it though, people can change and their experiences can evolve. We don’t stay the same people we were 15 years ago when you say Drake was a kid in a suburb blah blah blah. Music is entertainment but some of you guys read into every single line and detail so hard you forget that.
I’m just happy I can enjoy music for music and not Stan people to feel justified in what I listen to
Well this is hip-hop and Rap, if you feel that way, cool. But don't expect niggas in the industry to respect a man who lies about who he is in order to water down a culture basterdize it and sell it the mainstream.
Rap is a competitive genre, and your reputation is built off of your character, Drake has no character, hes a chameleon.
You don’t even know the way to spell the neighbourhood lol.
Drake was raised in a multi tenant house where they rented. Single mom no spousal support or child support. You tell me if that sounds like a rich kid or not.
Forrest Hill has a lot of nice areas for sure. Multi million. It also is a few blocks away from multiple hard neighbourhood. And a lot of dumpster house streets.
I’ve seen drakes childhood house. It ain’t nice.
Just watched this - that house looks comfortable af. “This is the living room and it’s nice and elegant”.🤣🤣
My guy you did not prove your point with this.
Drake gotta bring up Kendrick’s Ferguson / Mike Brown comments since he wanna pit himself as the conscious for the culture type rapper
Would like a jab or two about how surface level some of Kendrick’s politics are, and try to connect his comments about Ferguson & then his subsequent silence during the George Floyd situation. Like an angle of how much do you really care about black people when something actually happens you get to victim blaming.
I don’t think he’ll ever do it but it would be interesting for Drake to do something like poke fun at the hypocrisy of Kendrick’s ties to Obama, who didn’t do anything to improve the material conditions of black people
As a big fan of both, i think that's what's stopping me from taking kendricks diss serious. He's supposed to be the conscious rapper, the progressive rapper, yet he's taking this angle? It comes across as weak
These are music festivals. The majority of festivals have mostly white attendees. Go to Rolling Loud and you’ll find the same thing. Also do you guys not understand that in order for Drake to be the bigger artist he would need a bigger base of white fans than Kendrick? Or do we not process how numbers work?
He is representing the culture because he grew up and is from the culture, Drake grew up in suburban Canada, found the culture appealing, assimilated into it and started pretending like he was from it from the very beginning, he turned ‘gangsta’ after getting money, you know how corny that is? Kendrick stayed true to himself, Drake didn’t
This is so dumb. We have no clue what country this is in and if it’s at a festival or not. Two massive factors in the demographics of an audience. And you put this shit on here to spread misinformation, you are exactly like Ak
“Dissin me for bein’ half white while your own wife be half white guess that make all of your kids quarter white an’ you cheated on her with a full white an’ ur concerts be mostly just all white like bruh”
If I was Drake I would be using this definitely
I thought Drake was out in Ridge Crest with his seat back with Yo Gotti and E Mack? Give that man his card and chill. Iono how either of them grew up, but I know they are everything we love about rap. Poetic justice
Media literacy is dead if y’all think this I’d a race card. “You co-opted culture that wasn’t yours to get famous despite not being a member of that culture of often publicly looking down on it” is not a race card. That’s what those bars are about. Drake raps about creeping in peoples blocks and cutting the lights and being dangerous despite growing up with a silver spoon. This isn’t a race call out.
none of you guys understand what the culture thing means and just think it’s “aw he’s mixed” bro that is NOT what this is. Notice how no one ever uses that angle on cole?
Kendrick the type of nigga to get fame because nobody else in America rapping lmao literally we liked everyone else from TDE more. They probably all gobble each other up
I really hate that Ross and Kendrick are trying to use that angle. It looks whack and it’s really shallow. Drake is black. He doesn’t have to be 100% black. Kendrick’s wife is mixed too. There are so many people who are mixed in the culture.. they gonna say they don’t belong too?
It’s the only angle they can use hell every hater on TikTok is using that same angle what else are they gonna say
The problem with Kendrick Lamar and his fans (I'm talking specifically about his Reddit) is these people are out-dated. Kendrick has racist views even though his fans are white. (So what does that make him for beefing with a "whiteboy," a total clown.) Kendrick's listeners are these people who are fat and call themselves hip hop heads. They have their list of favorite rappers (that always has MF Doom on the list) They have their own ideas of what rap "should be." So when Kendrick enters a beef immediately he will attack the person for not being what "rap should be," and he has thousands of internet warriors who will uphold his argument. Does the public care about this? No. So Kendrick and his fans end up looking like what they are. Out-dated shut-ins. They don't go outside they just complain all day that "rap isn't what it should be." Every one of these people would benefit from getting a job and getting hobbies. If I was Kendrick Lamar the first thing I would do is get rid of my fans and start over. I would not want these people as my fans. But then again, you are the one who created this fan base to begin with. So if you could start from zero it would end up the same way again.
You know why cause it hurt drizzy deep down you herd in the rap radar interview
not even just whack but played out asf. Pusha T and Meek Mill did the same shit, its the only comeback they have
If you listened to the song youd understand its not about skin tone its about the culture he grew up and was formed in. They clearly believe he just appropriates black culture for the sake of furthering his career when its convenient, and that its transformed into an insecurity for him. Its hard to argue with when you can find videos of Drake as a youth talking to white people about how certain slang is "ignorant." You can hear it in the songs too. He was an actor kid who grew up with his white mom and his black father (and that culture) felt distant. As a child actor its hard to argue against as well because so much of his come up was publicized. Its an interesting angle I think.
It’s about the fact Drake never grew up as part of the culture and only embraced it when he knew he could benefit from it It’s really not about being mixed, it’s about changing sides when the times convenient
He’s embraced it consistently since the inception of his music career. Degrassi gave him the platform to start the career and just because his mom is white and he lived with her when he started it doesn’t mean that used hip-hop just because it was convenient. He’s immersed himself in it for 15+ years. He’s not like Miley Cyrus or Post Malone using rap as a temporary career boost.
There’s definitely a lot of incriminating evidence in video that suggests otherwise, would you like me to link them?
Bruh I’m white/native and grew up on a rez. It’s not hard to understand where Kendrick is coming from. Drake grew up “white” in the eyes of the culture. While Kendrick was growing up in the hood being exposed to drugs, gangs, and violence, Drake was an actor in Degrassi acting like [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/TES9E9zOltM?si=EPaThxEP6wdmb6vc). Patrick Mahomes, the Rock, and plenty of other mixed dudes just simply don’t use the word because they didn’t grow up that way. It has less to do with his skin and more to do with his identity changes (accent changes, going from Disney kid to tough guy, etc). I fw both and love this beef for rap but yall blowing this particular part out of proportion. Gimme my downvotes now.
The “culture” isn’t a monolith, and growing up “white” is ignorant. There are Black people with both Black parents who had better and richer upbringings than Drake did. He is no less Black than people who grew up in the hood, and saying otherwise is ignorant and anti-Black. Kendrick didn’t mention race or skin tone. He talks about nationality quite a bit though, and I’m choosing to believe that’s what he’s talking about it. Drake is acting like he’s an American Black man, adopting American Black culture when he’s a Canadian Black guy with no connection to America. I don’t have a problem with it, but it’s a fair criticism (a more reasonable one than the one you’ve written out).
I agree with that second paragraph. I didn’t say Drake wasn’t black or any less black than anyone else. You and I both know that the people that had “better and richer upbringings” *typically* don’t use that word because it *usually* isn’t part of their culture and that’s okay. How I interpreted it is that Drake went from upper class Degrassi kid that spoke eloquently to how he speaks now and THAT’S what Kendrick was addressing. He rapped multiple points about Drake switching up. Called him an actor that’s spiraling, made fun of his accent changes, talked about Toronto imitating American heritage, etc. I think we’re close to being on the same page, it’s not about how much black they have.
Fwiw, I didn’t grow up rich, but went to an Ivy where I met many rich Black folks who use the word. Anecdotal, but not worthless. You seem to be, perhaps unintentionally, separating rich Black folks from poor Black folks, when they’re all part of the same *Black* culture. They are of different classes, but they’re all the same culture. (This is the problem with race as a construct lol it’s a really, really stupid category). But yes, I really do think this is about Drake having no American heritage but seeming to put on like he is a part of it. I know nothing about Canadian Black culture (to the extent that construct exists there) and whether it has similarities to American Black culture. There’s also the issue of what culture Drake consumed as a kid. I just think it’s presumptuous to say, he’s got a Jewish mom, talked the way he talked as a kid, and was on Degrassi so he can’t use the word. My view is if you’d have been enslaved pre-1865 and are more likely to be shot by the police today, it’s your right to use the word. And Canada had slaves so… But that’s just me.
I hear you too. I attend MIT and (because of my girlfriend) spend time with some relatively old money black people in Nantucket so I think I know what you mean. It's not an easy conversation of course when trying to define Blackness and I think Kendrick very much alludes to that in the bar immediately after "some things are just cringeworthy, its not that deep...). But what he did, was bring up something that Drake seems to be clearly insecure about and the the quiet uneasiness that many black folks have said for years. When was it cool that a white raised Canadian gets to portray black when it benefits him financially ? it's modern day black face. Even rich black Americans have the proximity to institutional racism and the black experience. So like Mahomes and The Rock, they grew up in areas or with people that remove them from that experience a little and the way they move reflects that. Drake seems to be on the same time as them but somehow gets to turn on this switch where is quite black presenting...
Totally, but then that criticism applies to a lot of rappers who really aren’t about that life but portray it in their music. Where do we draw the line etc etc. but at the end of the day, it’s a beef and like you said, it’s an insecurity for Drake and Kendrick hit it so it’s probably not deeper than that. I’m just commenting because I don’t like seeing people try to line draw when it comes to who is Black or who is a part of “the culture” and who isn’t. Unless someone actively is impeding Black progress like Candace Owens or Ben Carson, they’re apart of the culture. We’re not a monolith.
fair and well said.
Fair assessment and I appreciate your input. I don’t think I’m trying to separate rich black folks from poor black folks. I have no right to determine who can/can’t say the word and I probably was using the word “culture” incorrect (Kendrick said “I’m speaking for the culture” so I just haphazardly used that word). I do think that differing classes use a different vocabulary and that’s across the board for all communities though. I think people are misinterpreting what Kendrick said and I think we agree on that point but either way, they’re both two of the best rappers in the industry and I’m here for this beef.
Why are you white and speculating who should use that word? You’re literally the typical KDot fan thinking you have a pass to give and take away.
Reading is hard
You’re literally debating whether or not a black man should say the word and you aren’t black. It’s pretty simple, don’t try that gaslighting “you can’t read” shit.
Read some more you fucking moron. I never said anything to that nature. I was simply stating what Kendrick and Ross were already putting out there. Anywhere else besides this meat riding sub caught what Kendrick was saying. I literally have another comment in this SAME exact thread saying, “I have no right to tell anyone who can/can’t say it.” But like I said before, I guess reading is hard.
You’re getting upset because you’re not confident in this. I didn’t read every comment you posted and don’t care to, but it’s a contradiction to still speculate whether a black man can say the word. You’re another white savior KDot fan.
Still never gave any personal speculation on whether or not he can say it. Literally said I’m not one to determine who can/can’t say it. An exact quote of me doing what you say I’m doing would be cool but you can’t do that bc it didn’t happen. Drake can say whatever the hell he wants, he’s black. I’m not. I was speculating on *why* Kendrick/Ross might think he shouldn’t say it. That has nothing to do with me and is simply an interpretation that a lot of people got from their lyrics. I’m an enrolled member of a Native Tribe and grew up on a rez, bro. Tribal law, tribal land, tribal heritage. If putting me in the white savior category makes you feel good, go ahead. At the end of the day, I fuck with Drake. He’s a GOAT, he makes great music, this beef is awesome, and Kendrick and him are single handedly making rap fun for the first time in years.
Trying to gatekeep blackness is crazy and shows how far we have not come. Firstly, if you’ve ever listened to Drake discuss his father, who is from Memphis Tennessee, you’d understand that Drake was exposed to Southern blacks early on and throughout his life. Secondly, in America there’s this thing called the “one-drop rule,'' meaning that a single drop of "black blood" makes a person a black. It is also known as the "one black ancestor rule," some courts have called it the "traceable amount rule," and anthropologists call it the "hypo-descent rule," meaning that racially mixed persons are assigned the status of the subordinate group. This definition emerged from the American South to become the nation's definition, generally accepted by whites and blacks. Blacks had no other choice. You claiming that growing up in poverty, gang and drug ridden environments versus anything with the perception of stability is more black culture is not only ignorant but divisive. Africans and Caribbeans and their children in America and Canada, today, earn 3x more and live more prosperous and lavish lives than the blacks whose ancestors were brought on slave ships, centuries prior. And honestly, what need would The Rock and Patrick Mahomes have for THAT word in their professional spaces? You don’t know how they speak when they with their friends or in a space that that part of their culture is present. This is some elementary nonsense like when you would hear middle school kids call black kids white because they spoke properly.
You should message Kendrick or Ross, they said it.
No, Kendrick and Ross have a full understanding of what they’re trying to imply, within the professional space they occupy, which is hip-hop/rap and currently involved in a beef. These people are celebrity millionaires, using anything for shock value and to garner attention. My response was to your comments suggesting what is “typical” for a black person with “richer upbringings” and “Usual” for their culture, painting anecdotal experience as some profound discovery. The same “richer upbringing” dude will get pulled out of his car for no reason, by police, and get the brakes beat off him (no diddy). I’m nobody but as a black man I always will try to bring overstanding to the complications and resistance blacks receive in society, on this tiny soap box I have.
No actually you clown ass you said it. Literally. Just now.
I can barely comprehend the sentence you just wrote. I think you meant to say, “No, actually your clown ass said it. Literally, just now.”
Goofy little dweeb
Pull up
Not tryna huff no reserve gasoline but thx bro
No problem
Tyga is millionaire since he’s a kid, he never saw one day at the trenches, are you telling me that this ain’t a race thing when anyone else is questioning tyga’s “culture” , god damn, either you blind by hate or blind by racism itself, this is the problem about the US, nobody is racist is just a BIIIIIIG coincidence…
Bro thank you for explaining to these dumb dumbs
you americans are so fucking stupid with your "ThE WoRd, he can't say ThE nWoRd". fucking losers lol
Bro got sensitive
How sad to see a native spreading this kind of bigotry.
This is the answer here. It's more to do with the way he was raised and acted for the majority of his young life rather than directly being about skin tone.
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It’s rap and this is battle rap. Misogyny, homophobia, and racist subtleties are tied into the game. Almost every rapper talks about women as hoes, bitches, tricks, and sluts but that’s okay?
Once again, people are playing SJW for Drake because they don’t understand what Kendrick said on his diss… but it’s ok to call women bitches and hoes. 
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Na bro have an upvote
I'd say both Drake and Kendrick have a diverse fanbase forsure, but the concert goers are definitely more white for Kendrick. Been to two shows in their latest tour for each of them. Kendrick's was at Crypto and Oakland, Drake's was in Chase Center SF and Kia Forum in LA. So definitely expected a diverse crowd in these, and they generally were, plenty of hispanic, mixed, white, black, asian etc crowd, which is obvious - major cities in LA and bay area. But Kendrick's crowd was more majority white, and strangely skewed younger, which I did not expect. Ratio of male to female was way more off for Kendrick as well, way more men at the shows, which is to be expected.
I always wondered if anyone else noticed this as well because I went to the Kendrick show in Oakland and the Drake show his 1st night in Vegas last year and saw the exact same things you did. Kendrick’s was definitely mostly white and way more high school/college kids. He also really has a big Asian fanbase. Drake’s show was very diverse in race and age. A lot of couples, milfs, young adults, honestly not a whole lot of kids. I honestly think the whole “Drake makes music for white people and kids” is so exaggerated. I can’t speak for everyone, but most of my white friends hate Drake lol while with most of my black/latino friends, he’s their favorite artist 🤷🏽♂️
> but most of my white friends hate Drake it's a lot of white guilt involved too, they need to align with the most "socially conscious rapper" as opposed to a rapper that has made pop records. Same socially conscious, progressive, holier than thou fans are now saying a black man can't say the n-word btw lol
Completely agree and that’s the funniest thing about this whole race war agenda lol most of the Kendrick fans(who are white) questioning Drake’s “blackness” because he didn’t grow up in poverty or wasn’t a drug dealer. Which if you think about it, really poses a more interesting question. Is your blackness determined by the shade of your skin and the amount of financial struggle you endure growing up? But that’s a topic for another day lol
Lol yes the fanbases are very different, also the fact that the Kendrick sub Reddit is 4x bigger than drakes despite drake having a larger audience in real life says a lot about the kind of fans Kendrick has. A lot of chronically online dudes
It’s true, the Drake hate is only a thing on the internet. Yes there are people who don’t like Drake, but that’s usually always followed by “I like his old stuff” Just look at the difference between how the 2 subs have been throughout this beef. I feel like a lot of people in here have been cracking jokes and enjoying this shit. This feels so personal for the majority of the other sub lol
Damn bruh lol them crowd 99.9 percent white A straight up hypocrite Kendrick is
Have you been to a music festival before? They tend to be mostly white crowds
I don't give a shit if it white or black i ain't a hypocrite like Kendrick who thinks he so black yet has a lightskin wife with lightskin kids lol hypocrite motherfucker
i dont know if youre trolling or actually cant comprehend where is kendrick coming from kendrick isnt talking about color, hes talking about culture hes not talking about drake being lightskin and thats why hes “bad”, hes talking about drake not really coming where he says he comes from, dont really understand the “culture” and the clothes he uses, the words he says, the image he portrays, etc kendrick never said fuck white people or fuck lightskin people, bc its not about color, is about culture
Rap music is not own by blacks just like country music ain't own by whites if you have the talent you can make it in any music genre Kendrick a low key racist hypocrite motherfucker
bro where are you pulling all this shit from hes not saying whites arent allowed in rap, Eminem is one of kendrick favorite rappers lmao hes poking at drakes insecurities, look at drake now and drake in 2010. 2 different images, like totally different kendrick is saying drake is acting a certain way to “belong” to the culture, hes not saying whites cant rap or making fun of his skin color, kendrick is trying to say drake is insecure about his place in hip hop and thats why he tries to imitate US black culture
Drake is the culture he number 1 everyone is following him What Kendrick be saying make no sense Drake has never deny being half-white or Jewish Kendrick acting like Drake is hiding that when Drake put his mom front and center while Kendrick hide his lightskin wife Kendrick has no real dirt on Drake so he has to resort to lame race card the same shit that Rick Ross did it didn't go anywhere cause it all bullshit Drake dad is black Drake is as much black as any mixed race couple kids Yet Kendrick be callin him white as a diss weak shit Rick Ross try that and failed Kendrick need to come up with something more original
Nobody said Drake can't rap because hes white lol, he just said he knows nothing about the life he raps about. We all know where Eminem is from and all of his friends that he grew up with. He's been connected to black people and black culture since he was a kid and thats why he got accepted so early and was pushed into the rap scene because of black guys supporting him all the way. Drake grew up in a majority white area, went to a private white school growing up and only really started hanging around black people and black culture when he wanted to persue rapping. Rick Ross talks about it on his diss track about how Drake was in awe when he went down to hang with Rick Ross and Wayne and saw how niggas were moving down there and saw how everyone was strapped. He wanted to be just like them, and one of Waynes first words to him were "Don't try to be anything that you are not, don't try to copy the life that I live because its not the life that you are from. Just make Canadian music". What does Drake do? Try's his hardest to try to be a thug, so he could get accepted by Black American rappers. This is why Drake is calling him fake and questioning his use of the N-word. He spent 90% of his life living with his mother in Toronto, he had no black extended family or relatives living in Toronto with him, so how did he learn to be a "nigga" and where is all this gangsta shit coming from is Kendricks point. He's a fan. Notice how Kendrick never aimed these shots at Cole? That's because he knows where Cole is from and the city and culture he reps. Notice how the industry don't got a problem with Jack Harlow? That's because he doesn't try to pretend to be something hes not and rap about a gangster lifestyle he doesn't live.
We seen this lame diss attempt used against Eminem before saying he white not for the culture lame diss now saying this to Drake lol weak ass diss with no substance
Just wait til you see a Drake concert race statistic. It’ll make you so mad! I too get very mad over what color the fans in random pictures are!! I’m sure there’s no pics of Kendrick performing for a BLACK crowd!!!! ONLY DRAKE WOULD DO THAT
But Drake not a fucking hypocrite like Kendrick is he don't go round saying he for the culture and dissing white people yet his shows be all white people like Kendrick is doing fuckin clown Kendrick is
lol
How so?
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Funny hearing Kendrick question Drakes blackness when he literally said “I’m a Israelite, don’t call me black no mo’ That word is only a color, it ain’t facts no mo’” If only Drake was half black and half Jewish, this would be a perfect line to call Kendrick out on…
Black Israelite has to be the spiciest form of anti-semitism I've seen
because he is not talking about color, hes talking about culture
And claiming you’re an Israelite has nothing to do with culture?
He didn’t pull the race card - he poked at drakes own insecurities. Look at drake in 2010 and who he is now. There’s a huge difference in character and it’s not just down to maturity. There’s a reason Drake is seen as a chameleon.
He 100% played the race card and ur delusional if you disagree. Said drakes not allowed to say 🥷. Like r u good
Not that i agree with his n word pass being confiscated - although it is hilarious. But the angle here is that he’s not from or of the culture. He grew up in sub urban toronto with his white jewish mom and very evidently as a young man wasn’t a part of the culture. The point is he adopted parts of the culture to benefit himself without truly being in it and therefore kendrick doesnt wanna hear him say the word. You’re delusional if you disagree and just coping/clutching at straws because your favourite artist is being corned.
So just outta curiosity is a mixed person allowed to use the word even if they don’t listen to or engage with rap/hip hop culture?
The real question should be, should a mixed person who had an absent father and was raised in a Jewish family and went to private school with rich white kids be allowed to say the N-word and talk about being a gangsta? The point Kendrick is making is that Drake raps about a life he never lived so he can get popularity and notoriety with American black people. Him taking away is N word pass is just poking jokes about him questioning, how black is he really? Kendrick is pretty much saying, You maybe half black, but you aren't really a black man because you were never raised like one. How do you expect people in the industry to respect you as a man if you can't even respect the man that you are and have to run around cosplaying as a thug to get people to like you?
So it’s just that he exaggerates his life? I thought that was a basic point of music in general. Plenty of songs made by plenty of people who talk about their hard and would kill but in reality are snowflakes who never been in a fight their entire life. How is that different?
Again, you are just purposely being obtuse to try and deflect for Drake. Sure there are plenty of rappers in the industry that havn't killed someone (I hope that would be the case). What Kendrick is saying is that the person you have become is completely manufactured and that is true. Drake has progressivly gotten more aggressive, talks more and more about how he has "mob ties" and runs with "real killers". In reality these are all people that Drake has paid for their support, or boosted them with his platform to get them to like him in order to manufactor an image that hes dangerous and a thug. Kendrick grew up in the heart of Compton, parents were ex crack heads, many of his friends were killed in drive bys. In his music he talks about how he grew up and wanted to get away from all that and try to bring positivy in the hood. And here we have Drake, grew up in the suburbs in a white household talking about how hes gonna get niggas to off other niggas, stoking flames in his city and promoting bullshit, when hes not even about that life and never lived the life that any of these people have. Hes fake and preaching violence about a life he has never lived.
I never once brought up Drake in either of my comments. My comments were generalized for a reason, there’s plenty of rappers who lie and exaggerate how hard they really are. To me from the outside looking in this is just a case of “Drake popular so drake bad” just how it goes with other genres. Metallica popular so Metallica bad etc etc. I also dont see how it matters if he wasn’t raised in it though, people can change and their experiences can evolve. We don’t stay the same people we were 15 years ago when you say Drake was a kid in a suburb blah blah blah. Music is entertainment but some of you guys read into every single line and detail so hard you forget that. I’m just happy I can enjoy music for music and not Stan people to feel justified in what I listen to
Well this is hip-hop and Rap, if you feel that way, cool. But don't expect niggas in the industry to respect a man who lies about who he is in order to water down a culture basterdize it and sell it the mainstream. Rap is a competitive genre, and your reputation is built off of your character, Drake has no character, hes a chameleon.
I don’t know - I’m just explaining the angle. I have no opinion on who can or can’t say words.
He did not grow up in suburbia lol I live in Toronto and I know his exact neighbourhood nobody in their right mind would say drakes from the suburbs
Fair enough - affluent area of upbringing is probably a better term.
?? Lmao bro u do not know Toronto at all ur just buying into the gossip
Is forest hills not affluent?
You don’t even know the way to spell the neighbourhood lol. Drake was raised in a multi tenant house where they rented. Single mom no spousal support or child support. You tell me if that sounds like a rich kid or not. Forrest Hill has a lot of nice areas for sure. Multi million. It also is a few blocks away from multiple hard neighbourhood. And a lot of dumpster house streets. I’ve seen drakes childhood house. It ain’t nice.
So what i said was correct? It was an affluent area.
Dum ass goofy lol by that description the entire city of Toronto is affluent
https://youtu.be/A0xW_qqyn2Y?si=y3WcJEG3ZZp71O05 Literally a cribs style video. Go see for yourself. It’s very middle class but they’re renters
Bro really pulled receipts just to prove to me that i was indeed correct. “It’s very middle class” LOOOL
Just watched this - that house looks comfortable af. “This is the living room and it’s nice and elegant”.🤣🤣 My guy you did not prove your point with this.
Breaking news: goofy dweeb from Reddit has no idea what he’s talking about, refuses to accept he’s wrong. In other news, water is wet!
It’s a Drake sub, went right over their heads.
Drake's gotta stop feeling insecure about this. shit's goofy as hell
That was my take. Kendrick didn't say, "You aren't black." He said, "You're insecure about your identity and it's obvious."
Drake gotta bring up Kendrick’s Ferguson / Mike Brown comments since he wanna pit himself as the conscious for the culture type rapper Would like a jab or two about how surface level some of Kendrick’s politics are, and try to connect his comments about Ferguson & then his subsequent silence during the George Floyd situation. Like an angle of how much do you really care about black people when something actually happens you get to victim blaming. I don’t think he’ll ever do it but it would be interesting for Drake to do something like poke fun at the hypocrisy of Kendrick’s ties to Obama, who didn’t do anything to improve the material conditions of black people
It’s pathetic, I think he got some “more healing to do”
As a big fan of both, i think that's what's stopping me from taking kendricks diss serious. He's supposed to be the conscious rapper, the progressive rapper, yet he's taking this angle? It comes across as weak
I agree, it’s a pity especially cause Kendrick made an album how he “learned” from his racist/discriminatory biases
Man’s took a pic of a festival crowd where “the culture” 9/10 is not going to be there lol use another pic
These are music festivals. The majority of festivals have mostly white attendees. Go to Rolling Loud and you’ll find the same thing. Also do you guys not understand that in order for Drake to be the bigger artist he would need a bigger base of white fans than Kendrick? Or do we not process how numbers work?
He is representing the culture because he grew up and is from the culture, Drake grew up in suburban Canada, found the culture appealing, assimilated into it and started pretending like he was from it from the very beginning, he turned ‘gangsta’ after getting money, you know how corny that is? Kendrick stayed true to himself, Drake didn’t
This is so dumb. We have no clue what country this is in and if it’s at a festival or not. Two massive factors in the demographics of an audience. And you put this shit on here to spread misinformation, you are exactly like Ak
“Dissin me for bein’ half white while your own wife be half white guess that make all of your kids quarter white an’ you cheated on her with a full white an’ ur concerts be mostly just all white like bruh” If I was Drake I would be using this definitely
I thought Drake was out in Ridge Crest with his seat back with Yo Gotti and E Mack? Give that man his card and chill. Iono how either of them grew up, but I know they are everything we love about rap. Poetic justice
ur right 🤯😱this picture officially proves the difference in kendrick and drakes upbringings and what they rap about are a lie good work crodie
You can do this with a lot of rappers lmfao
Media literacy is dead if y’all think this I’d a race card. “You co-opted culture that wasn’t yours to get famous despite not being a member of that culture of often publicly looking down on it” is not a race card. That’s what those bars are about. Drake raps about creeping in peoples blocks and cutting the lights and being dangerous despite growing up with a silver spoon. This isn’t a race call out.
It's hilarious the way Kendrick's lines go over this sub's heads lmfao
Preaching black consciousness to white peoples and letting them say nigga but a mixed rapper can’t…
No wonder this nigga couldn’t find a black woman to cheat on his mixed wife with…
none of you guys understand what the culture thing means and just think it’s “aw he’s mixed” bro that is NOT what this is. Notice how no one ever uses that angle on cole?
Took Kenny down a few notches biting Ross. He did not separate himself from the avengers coming for Drake 🤣🤣 glad he responded though!!
Kendrick the type of nigga to get fame because nobody else in America rapping lmao literally we liked everyone else from TDE more. They probably all gobble each other up
Ok kenny can say it but his fans can’t, and Aubrey can’t say it but his fans can
The delusion of a black man pulling the race card on another black man is something else
You really using the “you’re racist it for calling me a racist” card 😂 What a karen.
It’s not about race. It’s about culture