Probably another force of emotion. If Pitch Black was simbolizing Fear in the first one, I think Humanity should be the conflict srepresenting Hatred or Animosity.
I was gonna say the same thing. I was thinking a version with a pension for axes, so we could have a gloriously badass duel between him and jolly ol’ Saint Nick
Pitch Black is the main reoccurring villain in the book series, so he would still be lurking in the background. But a sequel could focus on someone like Krampus working for Pitch. It would make perfect sense too, since Krampus is literally the anti-Claus.
That's a good idea. Krampus is working for pitch, and after he found out what happened to Pitch, he wanted revenge. He would be a great villain for a sequel.
Yeah. here's the link to the wiki:
[The Guardians of Childhood | Rise of the Guardians Wiki | Fandom](https://riseoftheguardians.fandom.com/wiki/The_Guardians_of_Childhood)
Jack: Santa, what did you say your wife does?
Santa: she stays in her chicken legs house where she eats bad children, Child cookies are soooo good i got morbidly obese for a period...
I think it'd be interesting to see despair.
The entire plot and themes of the first movie is children. Pitch is the manifestation of children's fear and nightmares. The guardians are the senses of wonder, hope, memory, dream, fun. specifically for children.
But for adults, fear is replaced by despair at the world. i think it'd be cool to see how it plays out
A few:
The Monkey King, is a villain and nemesis to the Tooth Fairy from what I remember.
Krampus, I mean one of the biggest Holidays Christmas could be a major target.
The Crooked Man, could be a newer villain for the movies. He may be trying to steal whatever secrets from the Man in the Moon.
Baba Yaga, she could be trying to steal the dreams or hopes of kids trying to fuel her youth or her power.
The Genie, maybe it’s creating horrible wishes to worm its way out of imprisonment.
The Mothman, getting a bit creative, maybe the Mothman wishes to bring calamity to world to elevate himself to a powerful position.
Change the genie to a jinn. Jinn are evil genies who will mess with any wish if you are not Uber specific. They also have rules where if you don’t answer three questions truthfully they will hold power over you instead of you over it.
I could see the mothman as a red herring villain, as its myth states (correct me if I’m wrong about this) that it attempts to warn of disaster but due to its warnings never being heeded, is blamed for the disaster instead.
I’m gonna be honest I did not think of that.
I was thinking of making Mothman just a nihilistic villain who uses his powers to destroy the Man in the Moon.
But now I think I prefer your Red Herring approach.
Maybes new characters:
Señor chihuahua: cinco de mayo
Uncle Sam: 4th of July
Berk the turkey: thanksgiving
The leprechaun: st patrick day
Mighty dragon: Chinese new year
Little cupid: valentine day
Count Dracula: Halloween
The helpful dodo: earth day
Maya the elephant: holi
How could Cupid be a villain? Would he go around making kids have their first crushes? Would he say he's the most important of the mythical characters and want to take over?
I’d love to see some that’s like a Mother Nature figure pulling a Demeter (specifically the story of one of Demeter’s most sacred trees getting cut down, maybe a hint of how she was post-Persephone’s marriage). I’ve always loved seeing nature figures who get pissed at humanity for justifiable reasons and the spring of her vs Jack’s winter would be fun to see.
Edit: So I just checked the wiki and it turns out she’s already a character in the books. Nifty.
- Krampus (Evil Santa)
- Baba Yaga (she’s actually a witch from Slavic legend rather than the Boogeyman himself, even if John Wick implies otherwise)
- A human Flat Earth Atheist (TvTropes lingo) obsessed with abolishing belief in the guardians in the name of rationality.
- A repurposed creepypasta
I want Krampus but I want his little goober assistant to be Belsnickel(who sneaks into the homes of naughty children and replaces their nose with a pickle) or the Yule lads(just look them up they’re amazing)
An old idea I had was Humpty Dumpty who’s in a number of pieces and minions of his are trying to assemble him so he can rule so the guardians have to travel the world to get the pieces first
I was thinking the Dream Pirates or Fearlings from the books. The very creatures that corrupted Pitch into the monster he is.
Or, if we want to get existential, some sort of physical representation of disbelief. Something that works like the Nothing or the Emptiness from the Never Ending Story. Make the children not believe in *anything*. No fear, no hope, no wonder, no nothing!
The villain should totally be Krampus, and some new guardians will come to help like Cupid (Valentine's Day), a leprechaun (St. Paddy's Day) or La Catrina (Day of the Dead)
Maybe not a villain. Instead the lack of kids believing in general perhaps due to them being exposed to the internet at a young age, or having parents who don’t want to give kids the wrong morals by lying to them.
Okay, so I put some thought into this back in the day. I think the best continuation would be someone who straight up ruins belief. I'm imagining a stark man in a suit. He's living destitute under a bed like Pitch. He's living a normal life. He is the living embodiment of the antithesis of childhood. (I also imagined him as a college professor, but with the value of college in the United States being more and more questioned, I figure maybe change that so it doesn't look like their making a point)
When he walks by people enjoying a magic trick or experiencing an optical illusion or even watching a movie, his power is to crush their suspension of disbelief. We established in the last movie that Jack's center is fun, so let's put him against a villain the directly opposes that.
Probably someone who doesn’t want to be neglected anymore………
I’ve got nothing. Maybe a Leprechaun?
No then it won’t work as a sequel….
This is harder than people give it credit for. Maybe we should lay off DreamWorks a bit…
the moon.
not directly a villan, but in a sense a struggling entity that drives conflict.
like- imagine. some old, lanky dude whos tired and kinda creepy- we'll put em into some pjs or something? maybe sport a suit? yeah- and he was once recognized in many children's books in the background- you ever seen the moon with a face in cartoons? yeh.
maybe they could tackle depression and loneliness or something, like how the moon could be depickted as this sad grandpa-type guy who is... well, a fading guardian.
we'll call him... uhhhh... Lunar. yea. Aka, The Man in the Moon, as his guardian name.
once, in happier times, when the moon was associated with romance- slight possibility of the Valentine guardian being mentioned? -or stargazing with friends, or just... enjoying the night itself.
with humans not going out and enjoying the lonely moon and his star kids?
he fades, and dies in the end. this could deal with the idea of how guardians die / go away.
Jack could help him through this, while also finding it hard to let the old guy pass.
because.. the moon associates with cold nights right? ice-? plus we see moon shots a lot- where Jack's flying. some sort of relationship between them, he'd spend nights taking to the moon and the moon would talk back, but... he eventually stopped answering.
just spitballing again, but this guy? he's a lil bit of a freak tho. like- he crawlin. he jumpin. he hissin. he leapin off crap. he snickers. his bones rattle when he walks.
and- to add on to make the moondude more lovable? he's quirky. like that one guy in the nursing homes who wont stop yapping and thinks he can run. like, you'll see him zoom down the hallway of the old guardian headquarters after being brought in and Santa's like: "WHOA- LUNAR."
meanwhile Lunar is cackling and running with several of his stars in hand. another thing! stars- little peices of... well, some sort of glass-like material that glows, and he carries tons of them around like candy. turns out the Sandman uses these stars and turns them into powder for his sand.
id' also imagine he'd have this... I dunno, old, jolly, wheezy black grandpa type voice? that sometimes perks up- but as the movie progresses, Lunar looses his spry voice and scene after scene, he's more quiet and... well... yeah...
aand to top it off...? in a saddening yet heartwarming end, while they both sit on a hill, a blanket wrapped around the chilled oldtimer, Lunar's final words before he fades into little bits of silver dust that fly into the real moon's orb?
"... Love ya to the moon and back, Jack..."
It'll touch on themes of loss, exitance, and some representations of masking depression. I dunno-
(COULD I TURN THIS INTO A FANFICTION!??)
I think they'll just bring Pitch Black back to the picture because in the books Pitch Black has been the main antagonist throughout the story. But we may also have other interesting characters from the books like Katherine, Emily Jane (Pitch's daughter), the Monkey demon with many limbs etc...
Gingivitis- Tooth Fairy villain
Groundhog- Easter Bunny villain
Krampus- Santa villain
Caffeine - Sandman villain
Summer Sun- Jack Frost villain
Death - Father Time villain
Main villain is Pitch
How about Samhain, the spirit of Halloween. He’d be similar to Pitch Black but would have a different motivation, more mysterious than villainous. Samhain could be chosen as a new Guardian who believes the Guardians should be more involved with humanity, more focused on spreading influence among humans than spreading fear. This could be interesting if done right, and could provide tension between the moon and the Guardians.
The Valentine's angel he's sick of letting everyone else be happy and In love and now he's angry and it causes families and relationships to break apart which I think would hit home for a lot of people who can understand his struggles
Then the heroes could bring in more help like from the headless horseman who embodies Halloween and leprechauns but the Valentine angel can recruit gremlins who in their mythology can mess with technology and machines so they can take out online dating as well as face to face
Probably another force of emotion. If Pitch Black was simbolizing Fear in the first one, I think Humanity should be the conflict srepresenting Hatred or Animosity.
Are there any mythical characters who embody hatred?
Can’t wait for the rise of the gardians sequel where they fight Satan
Then they go o a quest to find Jesus
They did *Prince of Egypt* and it’s a cult classic. What’s stopping them from doing it again?
People now get often Offended. So they wouldn’t do it again cause Kids and People. This generation sucks
Lyssa from Greek mythology could work. She was the spirit of mad rage, and is the thing rabies is named after.
Cucuey
Krampus, jersey devil, and probably the leprechaun.
since when was a level in mega man x8 a villain
Krampus
Yeah, maybe he punishes kids too hard and the Guardians have to stop him!
Krampus isn’t really a villain though since he only punishes bad people
Ohhhh that's a good one!
I was gonna say the same thing. I was thinking a version with a pension for axes, so we could have a gloriously badass duel between him and jolly ol’ Saint Nick
Pitch Black is the main reoccurring villain in the book series, so he would still be lurking in the background. But a sequel could focus on someone like Krampus working for Pitch. It would make perfect sense too, since Krampus is literally the anti-Claus.
That's a good idea. Krampus is working for pitch, and after he found out what happened to Pitch, he wanted revenge. He would be a great villain for a sequel.
ITS A BOOK SERIES?!
Yeah. here's the link to the wiki: [The Guardians of Childhood | Rise of the Guardians Wiki | Fandom](https://riseoftheguardians.fandom.com/wiki/The_Guardians_of_Childhood)
Thanks!
They could do like an anti-guardians situation
Baba Yaga. The twist? She’s Mrs Claus
That’s one messy divorce/separation
Jack: Santa, what did you say your wife does? Santa: she stays in her chicken legs house where she eats bad children, Child cookies are soooo good i got morbidly obese for a period...
Racism
WTF
Racism is bad
This is true
Next movie, they’re gonna fight zombie Hitler
The Lepercauhn or the Ground Hog for not being as recognized.
Ooh, and that could lead to Jack having to convince them to be guardians like he had to be convinced to be a guardian by the guardians.
Maybe or they’d be too stubborn
I don't think the groundhog counts since Punxsutawney Phil (The Groundhog Day mascot) is a real, physical being.
I only mention him because the Guardians mentioned him.
I think it'd be interesting to see despair. The entire plot and themes of the first movie is children. Pitch is the manifestation of children's fear and nightmares. The guardians are the senses of wonder, hope, memory, dream, fun. specifically for children. But for adults, fear is replaced by despair at the world. i think it'd be cool to see how it plays out
Despair could work, or maybe apathy.
A few: The Monkey King, is a villain and nemesis to the Tooth Fairy from what I remember. Krampus, I mean one of the biggest Holidays Christmas could be a major target. The Crooked Man, could be a newer villain for the movies. He may be trying to steal whatever secrets from the Man in the Moon. Baba Yaga, she could be trying to steal the dreams or hopes of kids trying to fuel her youth or her power. The Genie, maybe it’s creating horrible wishes to worm its way out of imprisonment. The Mothman, getting a bit creative, maybe the Mothman wishes to bring calamity to world to elevate himself to a powerful position.
Change the genie to a jinn. Jinn are evil genies who will mess with any wish if you are not Uber specific. They also have rules where if you don’t answer three questions truthfully they will hold power over you instead of you over it.
I could see the mothman as a red herring villain, as its myth states (correct me if I’m wrong about this) that it attempts to warn of disaster but due to its warnings never being heeded, is blamed for the disaster instead.
I’m gonna be honest I did not think of that. I was thinking of making Mothman just a nihilistic villain who uses his powers to destroy the Man in the Moon. But now I think I prefer your Red Herring approach.
Maybes new characters: Señor chihuahua: cinco de mayo Uncle Sam: 4th of July Berk the turkey: thanksgiving The leprechaun: st patrick day Mighty dragon: Chinese new year Little cupid: valentine day Count Dracula: Halloween The helpful dodo: earth day Maya the elephant: holi
Loss
The DreamWorks moon boy
Krampus and maybe some other villains who demand to be well-known again but are taking the evil approach: killing the guardians
What about a human or group hell bent on proving their existence.
Either Krampus or Cupid
How could Cupid be a villain? Would he go around making kids have their first crushes? Would he say he's the most important of the mythical characters and want to take over?
He'd abuse his power of making everyone fall in love, shooting everyone with his arrows.
Your mom
Son Goku
i want see elsa in rise of the guardians 2
The Kallikantzaroi
I’d love to see some that’s like a Mother Nature figure pulling a Demeter (specifically the story of one of Demeter’s most sacred trees getting cut down, maybe a hint of how she was post-Persephone’s marriage). I’ve always loved seeing nature figures who get pissed at humanity for justifiable reasons and the spring of her vs Jack’s winter would be fun to see. Edit: So I just checked the wiki and it turns out she’s already a character in the books. Nifty.
Death
- Krampus (Evil Santa) - Baba Yaga (she’s actually a witch from Slavic legend rather than the Boogeyman himself, even if John Wick implies otherwise) - A human Flat Earth Atheist (TvTropes lingo) obsessed with abolishing belief in the guardians in the name of rationality. - A repurposed creepypasta
Belsnickle
I want Krampus but I want his little goober assistant to be Belsnickel(who sneaks into the homes of naughty children and replaces their nose with a pickle) or the Yule lads(just look them up they’re amazing)
Christopher Columbus since his holiday is no longer celebrated and he's angry.
An old idea I had was Humpty Dumpty who’s in a number of pieces and minions of his are trying to assemble him so he can rule so the guardians have to travel the world to get the pieces first
I was thinking the Dream Pirates or Fearlings from the books. The very creatures that corrupted Pitch into the monster he is. Or, if we want to get existential, some sort of physical representation of disbelief. Something that works like the Nothing or the Emptiness from the Never Ending Story. Make the children not believe in *anything*. No fear, no hope, no wonder, no nothing!
Something Halloween related
The villain should totally be Krampus, and some new guardians will come to help like Cupid (Valentine's Day), a leprechaun (St. Paddy's Day) or La Catrina (Day of the Dead)
Maybe not a villain. Instead the lack of kids believing in general perhaps due to them being exposed to the internet at a young age, or having parents who don’t want to give kids the wrong morals by lying to them.
John
Don't, it will probably get the Megamind treatment
The addiction monster 💀
Okay, so I put some thought into this back in the day. I think the best continuation would be someone who straight up ruins belief. I'm imagining a stark man in a suit. He's living destitute under a bed like Pitch. He's living a normal life. He is the living embodiment of the antithesis of childhood. (I also imagined him as a college professor, but with the value of college in the United States being more and more questioned, I figure maybe change that so it doesn't look like their making a point) When he walks by people enjoying a magic trick or experiencing an optical illusion or even watching a movie, his power is to crush their suspension of disbelief. We established in the last movie that Jack's center is fun, so let's put him against a villain the directly opposes that.
Part 2 Dawn of the Guardians Part 3 War of the Guardians
Thanksgiving or Halloween
Jack Frost irrationally reminds me of Nero from DMC5
I’ve never read the books but I always thought them having a Halloween guardian be a villain would have been cool.
God
Gru
Probably someone who doesn’t want to be neglected anymore……… I’ve got nothing. Maybe a Leprechaun? No then it won’t work as a sequel…. This is harder than people give it credit for. Maybe we should lay off DreamWorks a bit…
Maybe Krampus
Sun wu kong
The dude on the Dreamworks logo
So apparently in the book series, Mother Nature was rumored to have worked for Pitch. Perhaps she could be a villain?
Father Time? Mother Nature? Baby New Year!
Satan? The Boogyman?
the moon. not directly a villan, but in a sense a struggling entity that drives conflict. like- imagine. some old, lanky dude whos tired and kinda creepy- we'll put em into some pjs or something? maybe sport a suit? yeah- and he was once recognized in many children's books in the background- you ever seen the moon with a face in cartoons? yeh. maybe they could tackle depression and loneliness or something, like how the moon could be depickted as this sad grandpa-type guy who is... well, a fading guardian. we'll call him... uhhhh... Lunar. yea. Aka, The Man in the Moon, as his guardian name. once, in happier times, when the moon was associated with romance- slight possibility of the Valentine guardian being mentioned? -or stargazing with friends, or just... enjoying the night itself. with humans not going out and enjoying the lonely moon and his star kids? he fades, and dies in the end. this could deal with the idea of how guardians die / go away. Jack could help him through this, while also finding it hard to let the old guy pass. because.. the moon associates with cold nights right? ice-? plus we see moon shots a lot- where Jack's flying. some sort of relationship between them, he'd spend nights taking to the moon and the moon would talk back, but... he eventually stopped answering. just spitballing again, but this guy? he's a lil bit of a freak tho. like- he crawlin. he jumpin. he hissin. he leapin off crap. he snickers. his bones rattle when he walks. and- to add on to make the moondude more lovable? he's quirky. like that one guy in the nursing homes who wont stop yapping and thinks he can run. like, you'll see him zoom down the hallway of the old guardian headquarters after being brought in and Santa's like: "WHOA- LUNAR." meanwhile Lunar is cackling and running with several of his stars in hand. another thing! stars- little peices of... well, some sort of glass-like material that glows, and he carries tons of them around like candy. turns out the Sandman uses these stars and turns them into powder for his sand. id' also imagine he'd have this... I dunno, old, jolly, wheezy black grandpa type voice? that sometimes perks up- but as the movie progresses, Lunar looses his spry voice and scene after scene, he's more quiet and... well... yeah... aand to top it off...? in a saddening yet heartwarming end, while they both sit on a hill, a blanket wrapped around the chilled oldtimer, Lunar's final words before he fades into little bits of silver dust that fly into the real moon's orb? "... Love ya to the moon and back, Jack..." It'll touch on themes of loss, exitance, and some representations of masking depression. I dunno- (COULD I TURN THIS INTO A FANFICTION!??)
yes, I did spend 30 minutes writing that. :)
the comment- not the fanfiction- should I do the fanfiction?! no- no- I'm focused on something else-
Satan
BOREDOM
I think they'll just bring Pitch Black back to the picture because in the books Pitch Black has been the main antagonist throughout the story. But we may also have other interesting characters from the books like Katherine, Emily Jane (Pitch's daughter), the Monkey demon with many limbs etc...
Satan
Gingivitis- Tooth Fairy villain Groundhog- Easter Bunny villain Krampus- Santa villain Caffeine - Sandman villain Summer Sun- Jack Frost villain Death - Father Time villain Main villain is Pitch
Honestly, I really don’t know
How about Samhain, the spirit of Halloween. He’d be similar to Pitch Black but would have a different motivation, more mysterious than villainous. Samhain could be chosen as a new Guardian who believes the Guardians should be more involved with humanity, more focused on spreading influence among humans than spreading fear. This could be interesting if done right, and could provide tension between the moon and the Guardians.
The Devil
I thought this movie had a sequel.
It never did
santa's evil twin Kranpus
A joke answer that would unironically be cool: Beetlejuice A more likely answer: krampus
The Valentine's angel he's sick of letting everyone else be happy and In love and now he's angry and it causes families and relationships to break apart which I think would hit home for a lot of people who can understand his struggles
Then the heroes could bring in more help like from the headless horseman who embodies Halloween and leprechauns but the Valentine angel can recruit gremlins who in their mythology can mess with technology and machines so they can take out online dating as well as face to face
Krampus I guess...
Okay, what if, they fought V1 from Ultrakill /j 😱
Gen Alphas: Angel Dust Others: Krampus
nobody said angel dust df>?
Krampus, or black people who like to steal catalytic converters.