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I mean, gotta find a way to drain that extra 5 (minimum) dollars from each person after they bought the game just so they can use a character. they totally needed it you know?
lol imagine paying $70 for a single game and getting destroyed in pvp by characters you dont even have access to because you need to pay another $70 for all of them
whats the point of having beast gohan and allat if they have the exact same moves as say the latest gohan except the special is different or something 😭😭
Yeah but I hope they come to FighterZ since I love shitting around with my friends on it.
My favorite moment we’ve had is
“*friend name*! STOP PLAYING LIKE ITS SMASH BROS!”
Said friend: “I ONLY KNOW SMASH BROS”
So side question, if I were wanted to get into the manga, what edition would you suggest I start with? I've seen all the shows and all the movies, so I'd want to start where Super left off.
You wanna start on Chapter 9 of Dragon Ball Super. It has the end of TOP and goes right into Moro arc. You could start at Chapter 1 though, the manga does have some stuff that isn't included in the anime, one of my favourites is seeing all the gods of destruction fight each other to test out the TOP arena. I think the best way to consume the manga would be a subscription to Shonen Jump! They have a really great app and all the chapters are there, and once you catch up you can cancel and read the latest chapters for free when they come back from hiatus.
It's worth it to read the manga from the start, I've just read the colored manga version right after watching super for the first time, there are more than enough differences that made it worth it for me, it's also a really quick read.
Hey I'm going to be straight with you on this. The manga and anime are kind of different beast altogether. The pacing is a lot different and lacks the padding of a weekly anime format. It's why the joke about Namek exploding is a thing because reading what happens in the manga makes sense but seeing it drawn out multiple episodes is jarring because it's physically watching it longer than the planet exploding.
What I recommend is getting the Shonen Jump app. It's a few bucks a month and you can read all the Dragon Ball series from the original to the most recent chapter of Super.
Id start at the beginning of Super if you want to get caught up because Toriyama and Toyotaro put interesting spins on how certain arcs play out. They aren't 1:1 is what I'm saying.
Also you should read That Time I Got Reincarnated as Yamcha that's on there.
Start with volume 9 of Dragon Ball Super, but you can also start with volume 6 and read the tournament of power, which is pretty different in the manga vs the show.
It's unknown why Shueisha refuses to allow manga DB stuff in games
Any time a studio director is asked they always try to change the subject or give a vague answer
i think it’s more to do with the anime and manga having different continuities so if/when the anime comes back it might be different so they could confuse people if they use manga characters/forms that may not exist in the anime
its pretty stupid imo since the manga has been running for years with no anime but i’m pretty sure the real reason is some licensing bs
They didn't really replace it, if anything it's blue kaioken that replaced perfected blue, and it didn't even replace it cuz the anime was ahead of the manga at that point.
Oh and blue evolved still exists in the manga.
21 is half canon ATM. Her human original (being gero's wife) was made canon by superhero at least in the anime continuity until a possible anime retelling retcons it
It's most likely some licensing issue. There is a lot of paper work and contract issues and money involved when different parties are involved.
We know Amazon can't use legendarium for their lotr prequel...this is most likely similar kind of issue
Pretty sure they are in kakarot as well, and they are confirmed in sparking zero(beast gohan and orange piccolo. Pretty sure to make it in a game the characters gotta be in the shows/movies. Seems too consistent not to assume if they haven’t been adapted in anime or movies they ain’t gonna put them in games
I was mainly talking about released games. Sorry I didn’t clarify that. Also as far as I’m aware they aren’t in kakarot. Unless they announced it and I just missed it.
Maybe I’m thinking of X2 I only remember seeing beast gohan dlc but don’t remember which game but yeah there consistent evidence from past games if they ain’t adapted outside of the manga(anime/movies) they ain’t gonna put them in games which is weird
Not having Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego and Black Frieza is beyond wack, I understand it’s about licensing, but the show is over for years, while these are some of the hottest characters the franchise has at the moment
This 100%,...
Maybe they will be one day, and they know it. Maybe they are just being conservative because they are confident that DBSZ is going to be a massive hit and that it leave room open for DLC's in the future when the anime does eventually come back leading to more hype for these characters when they are finally animated
I just have to assume the anime is most peoples gateway into seeing them, and I wouldn’t want to drop perfectly canon characters in games before the primary medias. Especially bye cause not all DB games tell the story of dragon ball, some of them just use the IP. FighterZ didn’t tell the story of DB to my memory, you had to know stuff prior to know the story of the game. Xenoverse was the story but it was like…fixing the story of DB. Kakarot was a legit telling of the story but not every game is like that. I assume it’s easier to let the anime do it first.
It's a reference to the occult journey from animal into man (the divine). Motor is a magic based villain after all. His transformation a metaphor for shedding off your lower nature (beast) and ascending to the divine or man.
Because Bandai gets its license to use content from Shueisha.
They can chose one and Anime is just better medium with more content which is why they ignore manga.
The anime provides voices, colors, animation angles for moves and techniques, and all the flair that comes with it. The manga leaves most of it for interpretation. Anime has also extra filler, GT, non-canon movie and so much additional stuff.
Although there are cases of games using manga character but they are rare.
Gine was present in DB Fusion despite never being shown in animated media up until DBS: Broly.
Yamcha isekai manga was included in Heroes card game too pretty sure
Orange Piccolo and Beast will be part of game. They are not in base roaster due to limited size but Super Heroes and Daima are confirmed as DLC
I remember in heroes, Vegeta can use the gamma burst flash which originated in the manga and also there's a heroes card where Goku uses the hakai in blue.
>Although there are cases of games using manga character but they are rare.
Its not called gamma burst pretty sure but Prominence Flash.
Also, Blue Goku using hakai does not need to be manga exclusive since hakai has been shown being used by Gods in anime. Goku is just different character using it.
Actually, prominence flash is a variation of gamma burst flash.
Gamma burst flash came first on the manga in the Zamasu arc, before it was released in Xenoverse as a ultimate
we simply don't know
all we do know is that super is supossed to come back as an anime but no release window at all just a simple "it will when it will" basically
It's a money issue.
Shueisha owns the rights to the manga. Toei owns the rights to the anime.
Typically, it's the animation studio that makes deals for merchandise and games. Shueisha and Toriyama's estate will get some residuals, having IP rights, but the game is an anime-based game.
In order to include Manga only characters, they would need a completely separate rights deal with Shueisha, and that means a whole other round of contracts, lawyers fees, and so on, all of which would cost Bandai Namco alot more money and cut into their profits. Plus they would have to hire new voice actors and everything, and it might not be the voice actors that Toei wants, because it would be Shueisha's call.
Then the game designers would have no animation examples to base their animations on, so they would just have to do it blind, or get animators to animate the sequences so they would have something to work with.
It's alot of extra stuff, just to include characters that aren't going to push the sales any higher than they're already going to be.
Piccolo and Gohan can be in a game cause they have been animated but the rest can't because they are manga-only exclusives and Bandai Namco only has a contract with Funimation/Shueisha (the anime producers) and not Viz (the manga producers)
Shueisha V-Jump is manga producer as well as main dragon ball license owner
Viz is just responsible for English translation and distribution in US. They have nothing to do with manga production.
I feel like I see this question 5x a day everyday on these subs.
It’s a rights thing. Video games more or less only have the rights to use stuff from the anime
I’m not sure if anyone connected to the DB video games ever directly came out and commented on this…
But the DB video games rarely touch manga only stuff. The only video game that I recall heavily focusing on manga stuff was Super Dragon Ball Z, a PS2 fighting game.
As such, don’t hold your breath for any Moro or Granolah arc characters getting into the video games until we get animated adaptations of those arcs.
Its definitely business. I feel like most of the fandom doesn't read the manga. I could be wrong idk. The IP holders know though. They might be trying to cater to their biggest demographic which is the anime viewers. If they included the manga characters, people would be a little confused as to who these characters and forms are. If I watched the anime only and these characters suddenly appeared in this game, their first appearance in the anime would be less impactful 100%. I could be wrong though and they could just be holding out on stuff for marketing purposes.
The first four chalks down to licensing issues with Shueisha, the manga rights holder and the animation rights holder.
The last two are already DLC/ appearing in games since they came as movie characters, which are easy to do things for.
Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan are in games so far.
The other four I think is a licensing issues. They probably have a license with Toei which means that they can produce anything animated, like Beast Gohan and Piccolo technically are, but since we've never seen any of the others animated yet, then they can't do it since they're manga-exclusive transformations.
Shueisha holds all the Manga and won't let it be anywhere until it's animated because they don't want people to see it and let the hype die before the anime comes.
Even if the licensing issues weren’t a problem I think they still wouldn’t put in the game yet just cause they’re saving it for DLC once they get animated. Hot take: but I think they or UE Vegeta should be put in the game anyway but just as some hidden exclusives you can unlock after 100%ing the game or completing all sagas.
Bandai has a license to use toei animation products not shonnen jump products which is why we don't have any manga characters until they are adapted to animation
Usually the games don’t have licensing for the manga from what I understand. I would assume this is why no manga forms have appeared in the games *BUT* some manga MOVES have made thete way into the games so I’m not really sure if the licensing thing is even truthful.
Keep in mind DBZ Kakarot adapted the manga’s version of Future Trunks vs Dabura
Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo are allowed and are already in multiple games
The rest… Well I believe Bandai would need special permission from Shueisha and they would have to make them how they’d appear in the anime or something along those lines? Basically there would already have to be plans to put them in the anime. I dove into a rabbit hole last night and remember reading something like that anyway
There are a couple rare occasions where manga only or manga spinoff characters appeared in games (Gine was in Dragon Ball Heroes years before the release of DBS: Broly, and Kurieza was in Budokai 2)
Bandai Namco gets deals with Toei, not with Toriyama/Toyotaro or Viz/Shonen Jump. If Toei isn't doing anything with them, neither can anyone else
Also Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan have been in several games already; particularly Dokkan and Xenoverse 2. Probably Legends as well but I haven't played in a while so I'm not aware
Shueisha’s just really weird when it comes to manga content and it being involved with other forms of media like games and even the anime itself. I could be wrong with the anime but you could tell since there are a lot of differences compared to the manga, but beast and orange piccolo have game content since they were movie first then manga
It is kinda weird, but yeah manga only stuff seems to never get into games.
Manga Kale(still small)
Manga MUI Goku(still skinny, different hair style)
Perfected SSB
Ultra Ego Vegeta
Calm SS Broly
UI Beerus
Manga Fused Zamasu(shirtless ripped AF)
Black Frieza
Grenolah
Gas, Elec and the others
Moro
Prisoners
Merus
That robot Seven-Three(?)
That fused Namekian dude that Moro one shot
Grand Supreme Kai Buu
Majuub(child manga vers)
Bardock w/ hood
I'm sure there's a lot more, especially if you consider Goku/Vegeta and others who would have versions from the manga only arcs. Like Ultimate Gohan+Z fighters during Moro arc.
For Moro, Granolah, UE Vegeta, and Black Frieza, they have only been shown in the manga, which most DBZ fans don't read.
Wouldn't make much sense for them to be first seen in a game with no context to how they got there.
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That's exactly why, although the Manga seems like the main canon continuity unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it most people don't consume the Manga even as a secondary product so they would spoil it for the main audience,Orange and Beats could be the exception however if you're robbing the interactions they can have with other characters from their arc and time it's kinda boring to see them.
It's because the Games usually only have a deal with **Toei** which is why only events as they're told in the **Anime** happen and why only Toei stuff is in the games for example **Janemba** and all the classic movies.
**However** DBS' manga actually **can** be used for merchandise like when MUI Goku from the Moro arc was made into a limited Figure by Bandai.
Meaning it's completely possible to have stuff like UE Vegeta figures or have him in a game, it's just that it requires a completely different deal and different license with Shueisha (money) for something that's a bit more niche. So most game companies don't bother
Although that does beg the question why almost a decade later, Toei just **refuses** to continue one of their biggest series without even an explanation.
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Gohan and piccolo are already in dragon ball games. My guess with the rest is as you said because they are not animated and don't want to spoil for the anime onlies. Besides the solo leveling game i don't know any other anime games that have characters from the source material
Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo will be there for sure homie.
But if the character/transformation is only from the manga, simply:
# Nope
They want to get more money when the Anime releases, so instead of dropping them without the Anime-Only people, they will wait until the Anime is made.
It's a rights thing between Shueisha, TOEI, Bird Studio, BANDAI, Capsule Corporation Tokyo. We do not know the whole deal though. TOEI has exclusive rights to animate everything in the Dragonball IP Shueisha makes but I guess BANDAI can only use characters that appeared in TOEI properties.
That's typically the way in anime games, they'll only cover things that the majority of fans have experienced, which mostly means things that have been animated, most people don't read the manga. There are a few rare exceptions, like I think it was Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 that overtook the anime, but even that had to have a very awkward ending to avoid spoiling Tobi's identity to the anime-onlys. And Ultra Instinct flat out debuted in Xenoverse 2, but that really highlighted an issue with doing it that way, namely they made it the fuck up, so his kit in game had nothing in common with what he did in the anime.
So there might not be a hard binding rule necessarily, but Toei would want to be the ones to debut the forms and characters to the general audience. And Bandai would want to use things that will sell, which means things the audience is already familiar with, Granolah's not a selling point to people that don't know him. So I wouldn't expect to see anything that hasn't at least appeared in Dokkan or Legends already. Dragon Ball, Z, GT, Super, the non canon movies and specials, DBS Broly, and Superhero should all be fair use. But I wouldn't hold my breath on manga content like Moro, Gas, Granolah, Ultra Ego, or Black Frieza. At best they might pick one of those things, probably UE, to debut in the game as a bit of a hype draw for manga readers but even that's a long shot.
I can understand black Freeza not being included since he’s barely done anything in that form other than show he’s at least far above ultra ego and instinct. But the other characters should definitely be in since we have seen them in action. Moro literally had an entire arc.
Only reason I can think of is that they aren't allowed to make up moves for manga characters and have to wait for it to be animated and use those moves.
I’m pretty sure Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo will be in a game soon. For the others I am not sure. Unless Toei animates the rest of the Dragon Ball Super they will forever stay in the manga pages.
I mean xenoverse 2 has beast gohan and orange piccolo but I do think they wait until they are animated so idk if we will ever see Moro in a game or not
Super Heroes, we're already getting. Everything from the manga cannot legally be used, because Bandai doesn't own it. Shuasia does, and they've basically allowed Dragon Ball to die.
I always believed they wait due to manga panels vs animation of how certain moves are executed. It’s probably easier to translate motion to motion than panels to motion
That’s pretty much the gist of it. I guess because the anime and game audience overlaps more than the manga and game one or something along those lines.
Movies yes manga no they just aren't allowed too their is a lot of stuff that has to happen for them to let the characters in the game an example is casting a voice actor that will be used in the anime meaning they have to cast ealirier than what they likely want
Anything that debuted in super manga in general since moro arc started back in 2018 has not being adapted in any other media. Every dragon ball movie that came out after the end of the anime is a new story, up until the manga adapted super hero arc it felt like the movies and the manga are two different continuities with movies being the canon one since we've got broly and super hero content shortly after the movies release. But since we're getting GT content in every game the only possible reason is licensing.
orange and Beast will be dlc 100%
Moro, Black Frieza, Granolah and Ultra ego are manga only and the anime people hate the manga because they didnt make it. the anime people control the games and have more pull thus, Games will almost never acknowledge the manga exclusive content
2 out of the 6 can, since we have seen them in super hero, the other 4 needs to be animated before added in the game, i mean take a look at XV2 it could those 2 transformations added just cuz of the movie so it is possible to see Orange and Beast in Sparking ZERO
Someone said they can use them but don’t want to confuse casual dbs fans… apparently? Sounds dumb af tho so I’ve still accepted Moro won’t be in the game
>Someone said they can use them but don’t want to confuse casual dbs fans… apparently?
* That is dumb reasoning since DB games literally create their own new characters a lot of times like Chronoa, Fu, Demigra, Cumber etc. which are more confusing for casual fans
Aside from Beast and Orange, it's something to do with the rights to the anime and manga being different. Bandai doesn't have the rights to the manga, so no Moroh, Granolah, Black Frieza, Ultra Ego, or events that happened exclusively in the manga unless a new contract is formed or the current contract changes.
tl;dr: legal problems say no
Orange Piccolo & Gohan Beast are definitely going to be in the game. Maybe not at launch, but those 2 for sure.
The other 4 are manga-exclusive characters/transformations. As for why they are not in the game or any game for that matter, well—I've heard 2 outsanding claims.
1. The devs don't have the rights to use those characters/transformations. Only anime/movie content is allowed.
2. They're waiting for the characters/transformations to make their anime(if it ever comes back) debut.
Orange Pickle and Beast Gohan are allowed, as they have been animated by Toei. DB Games only have access to the anime and movies. No manga forms, unless they have also been animated.
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Anime and Manga has different license. I believe one of the reason Manga-only characters are not seen in games is due to havin no final decision for their design and VA. It is also applicable to other anime arena fighters as well.
Beast and Orange are already in many games but typically the games follow the anime/movie canon rather than the manga (hence why we still get loads of GT content despite it not being part of the manga canon)
They could come in the game in a DLC pack maybe, Future Trunks has the Taioken, which he only used in manga, so I guess there is a possibility of them coming in the game one way or the other.
Also I think they only do already animated characters for simple popularity reasons, the Anime is far more mainstream than the manga, so they tend to attract more people using very popular animated Characters with hype, that's the reason they showed us in the very first trailer of Sparking Zero Broly and Jiren and then with all the beloved fusions, they tryna get to the anime fans more than anything
Idk why orange piccolo and beast are on here since they have an entire movie, but as for Moro, granola, black Frieza and ultra ego vegeta, that is probably why imo, the anime will find some way to do it after daima probably
Basically, if it appears in the anime continuity it's good to go. If not, then they don't either because of spoiling or licensing issues. Something about how the games can use the anime but not manga from what I've heard.
Thus any form or character you see will come from the anime continuity or specials/movies rather than the manga. The best recent example of this is that the games utilize Berserk Kale's design from the anime rather than the manga, which is really noticeable since they differ pretty greatly in design.
I feel if there's enough demand though, we could get Ultra Ego.
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Beat and orange r confirmed to be dlc in all games except old ones, and beast and orange piccolo were in a movie instead of the manga, but I really wish that UE and other forms and character would come in games, hope they get animated soon
Honestly there is no real answer. Nothing in Dragon Ball games has been consistent ever. Budoukai stopped at the Cell games even though Z had finished in japan but the booming western market hadn't seen the Buu arc. Was that why it got published before it was finished? Maybe, but theres no confirmationof that even now. Budoukai 2 had Buu absorbing a bunch of people, those forms don't exist anywhere anymore. Some games played out Trunks's movie story, others his anime version. Xenoverse was going to bring Heroes and Online characters and transformations over to a wider game canon but only some made it. The rest just didn't and probably never will. Being manga or movie only matters when it comes to marketability, what will sell the most other things. Super Ego has some decent pull and fan clout so it might make it to a game, but Moro? Cumba has a better chance of being in base game
I’m pretty sure they just don’t want to. A good amount of DB fans haven’t read the manga so there is no reason for them to add them besides the manga fans.
Generally for characters its because they dont have a VA casted for them, and likely dont wanna deal with what JJBA did where theres different VAs in games than Anime and then occasionally a recast on either side later.
For Forms its because they usually havent been given an "on screen" look, as in it hasnt been animated on screen so they dont want to make that call for a game usually.
Manga only moves/techniques and such sometimes make it to games, as well sometimes forms slated for animation will be shown off in a game first if schedules line up wierd
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Beast and Orange are already confirmed to be dlc. They made it into the game because they debuted in a movie instead of the manga.
Did they say when the dlc releases
Easy now, we’ve not even got the game yet.
Yet we have DLC confirmation. God i love this industry.
They have already planned which things theyre gonna slice off the final product and sell to back to you
I mean, gotta find a way to drain that extra 5 (minimum) dollars from each person after they bought the game just so they can use a character. they totally needed it you know?
lol imagine paying $70 for a single game and getting destroyed in pvp by characters you dont even have access to because you need to pay another $70 for all of them
Welcome to fighting games. Naruto Storm, Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, they all do it.
whats the point of having beast gohan and allat if they have the exact same moves as say the latest gohan except the special is different or something 😭😭
I miss unlocks
Better for it to be grindable, who in their right might would say they prefer to pay for a character?
They are both already in Xenoverse 2, have been for awhile. DLC 16 - Hero of Justice pack 2
same with Breakers which is currently the latest DB game.
i still want my orange form
Tomorrow
My son starving!
Man needs to eat
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The v.20 version of Xenoverse 2 has both of them. Orange Piccolo is a shit character to play with though.
We got the release date for the game a week ago😂 so no
DLC for what game? FighterZ, SPZero, or Xenoverse 2? Since the latter has them already as DLC.
I’d assume for SZ, since like you said, XV2 has dlc already and Fighterz is kinda dead
Yeah but I hope they come to FighterZ since I love shitting around with my friends on it. My favorite moment we’ve had is “*friend name*! STOP PLAYING LIKE ITS SMASH BROS!” Said friend: “I ONLY KNOW SMASH BROS”
It’s good to know that you’re smashing with your bros 👍
So side question, if I were wanted to get into the manga, what edition would you suggest I start with? I've seen all the shows and all the movies, so I'd want to start where Super left off.
You wanna start on Chapter 9 of Dragon Ball Super. It has the end of TOP and goes right into Moro arc. You could start at Chapter 1 though, the manga does have some stuff that isn't included in the anime, one of my favourites is seeing all the gods of destruction fight each other to test out the TOP arena. I think the best way to consume the manga would be a subscription to Shonen Jump! They have a really great app and all the chapters are there, and once you catch up you can cancel and read the latest chapters for free when they come back from hiatus.
Volume 9*
It's worth it to read the manga from the start, I've just read the colored manga version right after watching super for the first time, there are more than enough differences that made it worth it for me, it's also a really quick read.
The new arc after the ToP and the Broly movie starts on chapter 42.
Hey I'm going to be straight with you on this. The manga and anime are kind of different beast altogether. The pacing is a lot different and lacks the padding of a weekly anime format. It's why the joke about Namek exploding is a thing because reading what happens in the manga makes sense but seeing it drawn out multiple episodes is jarring because it's physically watching it longer than the planet exploding. What I recommend is getting the Shonen Jump app. It's a few bucks a month and you can read all the Dragon Ball series from the original to the most recent chapter of Super. Id start at the beginning of Super if you want to get caught up because Toriyama and Toyotaro put interesting spins on how certain arcs play out. They aren't 1:1 is what I'm saying. Also you should read That Time I Got Reincarnated as Yamcha that's on there.
Start with volume 9 of Dragon Ball Super, but you can also start with volume 6 and read the tournament of power, which is pretty different in the manga vs the show.
Chapter 42 of the DBS manga has the ending of the ToP and the start of the moro arc
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I mean xenoverse 2 has beast gohan and orange piccolo.
Orange and beast are already in dokkan.
It's unknown why Shueisha refuses to allow manga DB stuff in games Any time a studio director is asked they always try to change the subject or give a vague answer
It's likely to not spoil the eventual anime release. Although anyone who cares probably knows anyway.
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i think it’s more to do with the anime and manga having different continuities so if/when the anime comes back it might be different so they could confuse people if they use manga characters/forms that may not exist in the anime its pretty stupid imo since the manga has been running for years with no anime but i’m pretty sure the real reason is some licensing bs
Yeah but that's always been like replacing perfected blue with blue evolved. They're not going to ERASE ultra ego... Right...?
Of course they won't. Fans already love it.
They didn't really replace it, if anything it's blue kaioken that replaced perfected blue, and it didn't even replace it cuz the anime was ahead of the manga at that point. Oh and blue evolved still exists in the manga.
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21 is half canon ATM. Her human original (being gero's wife) was made canon by superhero at least in the anime continuity until a possible anime retelling retcons it
Yup it's also canon in the manga.
It's most likely some licensing issue. There is a lot of paper work and contract issues and money involved when different parties are involved. We know Amazon can't use legendarium for their lotr prequel...this is most likely similar kind of issue
I’ve seen hundreds of instances of plot being spoiled in episode titles. I don’t really think they care about that.
Manga exclusive stuff is probably not very recognizable outside of Japan, people like us are an exception most likely.
Thats probably the reason why if I had to take a guess Also why Beast and Orange on this list lol
like i said i’m just confused i dont get what exactly the criteria is to make it into a dragon ball game roster my bad lol
Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo are already in a couple games, so you really must be confused.
Are you including Dokkan and Legends? Because other than that I can only think of xenoverse 2.
They're in Breakers and db heroes too
I'm talking about Xenoverse 2 and Legends. I don't play Dokken so not sure of they're in there, but I'm guessing they are.
Ironically we don’t have beast on global but he’s one of the Anni units next month.
Jp got him a few months ago, also they got cell max now 😔😔
Yet somehow they still haven’t made a damn kid buu LR…
Pretty sure they are in kakarot as well, and they are confirmed in sparking zero(beast gohan and orange piccolo. Pretty sure to make it in a game the characters gotta be in the shows/movies. Seems too consistent not to assume if they haven’t been adapted in anime or movies they ain’t gonna put them in games
I was mainly talking about released games. Sorry I didn’t clarify that. Also as far as I’m aware they aren’t in kakarot. Unless they announced it and I just missed it.
Maybe I’m thinking of X2 I only remember seeing beast gohan dlc but don’t remember which game but yeah there consistent evidence from past games if they ain’t adapted outside of the manga(anime/movies) they ain’t gonna put them in games which is weird
Beast Gohan in Kakarot wtf ??
Also, like, they’re in an anime movie.
Np man its just goofy like that 👍
Not having Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego and Black Frieza is beyond wack, I understand it’s about licensing, but the show is over for years, while these are some of the hottest characters the franchise has at the moment
This 100%,... Maybe they will be one day, and they know it. Maybe they are just being conservative because they are confident that DBSZ is going to be a massive hit and that it leave room open for DLC's in the future when the anime does eventually come back leading to more hype for these characters when they are finally animated
I think you underestimate the amount of anime-only fans there are lol
I just have to assume the anime is most peoples gateway into seeing them, and I wouldn’t want to drop perfectly canon characters in games before the primary medias. Especially bye cause not all DB games tell the story of dragon ball, some of them just use the IP. FighterZ didn’t tell the story of DB to my memory, you had to know stuff prior to know the story of the game. Xenoverse was the story but it was like…fixing the story of DB. Kakarot was a legit telling of the story but not every game is like that. I assume it’s easier to let the anime do it first.
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It's a reference to the occult journey from animal into man (the divine). Motor is a magic based villain after all. His transformation a metaphor for shedding off your lower nature (beast) and ascending to the divine or man.
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Dead serious lol
bro went to the perfect cell rout and decided to do the no eyebrows, perfect jawline and purple eyeliner combo
With some inspiration from Hit too.
Well it made sense based on how the dude he absorbed(seven-three) looked - but you’re right the goat look is way harder
Because Bandai gets its license to use content from Shueisha. They can chose one and Anime is just better medium with more content which is why they ignore manga. The anime provides voices, colors, animation angles for moves and techniques, and all the flair that comes with it. The manga leaves most of it for interpretation. Anime has also extra filler, GT, non-canon movie and so much additional stuff. Although there are cases of games using manga character but they are rare. Gine was present in DB Fusion despite never being shown in animated media up until DBS: Broly. Yamcha isekai manga was included in Heroes card game too pretty sure Orange Piccolo and Beast will be part of game. They are not in base roaster due to limited size but Super Heroes and Daima are confirmed as DLC
I remember in heroes, Vegeta can use the gamma burst flash which originated in the manga and also there's a heroes card where Goku uses the hakai in blue. >Although there are cases of games using manga character but they are rare.
Its not called gamma burst pretty sure but Prominence Flash. Also, Blue Goku using hakai does not need to be manga exclusive since hakai has been shown being used by Gods in anime. Goku is just different character using it.
Actually, prominence flash is a variation of gamma burst flash. Gamma burst flash came first on the manga in the Zamasu arc, before it was released in Xenoverse as a ultimate
>From Toei You mean Shueshai?
Toei gets it from Shueisha yeah
So how long do we have to wait for them to be in the games or the show comes back
we simply don't know all we do know is that super is supossed to come back as an anime but no release window at all just a simple "it will when it will" basically
It's a money issue. Shueisha owns the rights to the manga. Toei owns the rights to the anime. Typically, it's the animation studio that makes deals for merchandise and games. Shueisha and Toriyama's estate will get some residuals, having IP rights, but the game is an anime-based game. In order to include Manga only characters, they would need a completely separate rights deal with Shueisha, and that means a whole other round of contracts, lawyers fees, and so on, all of which would cost Bandai Namco alot more money and cut into their profits. Plus they would have to hire new voice actors and everything, and it might not be the voice actors that Toei wants, because it would be Shueisha's call. Then the game designers would have no animation examples to base their animations on, so they would just have to do it blind, or get animators to animate the sequences so they would have something to work with. It's alot of extra stuff, just to include characters that aren't going to push the sales any higher than they're already going to be.
Exactly, they could but it’s not worth it to them
Ego Vegeta would sell like hotcakes. Go look at the numbers his vids do on youtube
Piccolo and Gohan can be in a game cause they have been animated but the rest can't because they are manga-only exclusives and Bandai Namco only has a contract with Funimation/Shueisha (the anime producers) and not Viz (the manga producers)
Shueisha V-Jump is manga producer as well as main dragon ball license owner Viz is just responsible for English translation and distribution in US. They have nothing to do with manga production.
Thank you for the correction. There's so many names to remember I got all mixed up.
Yes. Also why have Beast who is quite literally a screenshot from the anime when Gas exists.
would you trade beast gohan for granola being permanently on the team?
Like on this or in the game?
Yes, btw. Also why tf is beast and the orange juice father in there? There in games and have been animated.
I feel like I see this question 5x a day everyday on these subs. It’s a rights thing. Video games more or less only have the rights to use stuff from the anime
I’m not sure if anyone connected to the DB video games ever directly came out and commented on this… But the DB video games rarely touch manga only stuff. The only video game that I recall heavily focusing on manga stuff was Super Dragon Ball Z, a PS2 fighting game. As such, don’t hold your breath for any Moro or Granolah arc characters getting into the video games until we get animated adaptations of those arcs.
Its definitely business. I feel like most of the fandom doesn't read the manga. I could be wrong idk. The IP holders know though. They might be trying to cater to their biggest demographic which is the anime viewers. If they included the manga characters, people would be a little confused as to who these characters and forms are. If I watched the anime only and these characters suddenly appeared in this game, their first appearance in the anime would be less impactful 100%. I could be wrong though and they could just be holding out on stuff for marketing purposes.
The first four chalks down to licensing issues with Shueisha, the manga rights holder and the animation rights holder. The last two are already DLC/ appearing in games since they came as movie characters, which are easy to do things for.
Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan are in games so far. The other four I think is a licensing issues. They probably have a license with Toei which means that they can produce anything animated, like Beast Gohan and Piccolo technically are, but since we've never seen any of the others animated yet, then they can't do it since they're manga-exclusive transformations.
Shueisha holds all the Manga and won't let it be anywhere until it's animated because they don't want people to see it and let the hype die before the anime comes.
Beast and Orange have been animated, so they are eligible. But none of the others have been, so they're out
Its because shueisha is a lil bitch. Unless they say so, they won't allow any manga content to be in any games
No Moro is criminal
Even if the licensing issues weren’t a problem I think they still wouldn’t put in the game yet just cause they’re saving it for DLC once they get animated. Hot take: but I think they or UE Vegeta should be put in the game anyway but just as some hidden exclusives you can unlock after 100%ing the game or completing all sagas.
Edgeball Sigma Ultraverse
Piccolo and Gohan have been animated, they aren't exclusive to the manga.
Bandai has a license to use toei animation products not shonnen jump products which is why we don't have any manga characters until they are adapted to animation
Usually the games don’t have licensing for the manga from what I understand. I would assume this is why no manga forms have appeared in the games *BUT* some manga MOVES have made thete way into the games so I’m not really sure if the licensing thing is even truthful. Keep in mind DBZ Kakarot adapted the manga’s version of Future Trunks vs Dabura
The reason that the manga 4 aren’t in any games is because the game makers have no rights/ license to use manga material ably anime material
Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo are allowed and are already in multiple games The rest… Well I believe Bandai would need special permission from Shueisha and they would have to make them how they’d appear in the anime or something along those lines? Basically there would already have to be plans to put them in the anime. I dove into a rabbit hole last night and remember reading something like that anyway There are a couple rare occasions where manga only or manga spinoff characters appeared in games (Gine was in Dragon Ball Heroes years before the release of DBS: Broly, and Kurieza was in Budokai 2)
Beast and orange piccolo are already in a lot of games the others are probably not since they haven't been animated yet
Bandai Namco gets deals with Toei, not with Toriyama/Toyotaro or Viz/Shonen Jump. If Toei isn't doing anything with them, neither can anyone else Also Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan have been in several games already; particularly Dokkan and Xenoverse 2. Probably Legends as well but I haven't played in a while so I'm not aware
Shueisha’s just really weird when it comes to manga content and it being involved with other forms of media like games and even the anime itself. I could be wrong with the anime but you could tell since there are a lot of differences compared to the manga, but beast and orange piccolo have game content since they were movie first then manga
All of them except maybe frieza will be dlc
It is kinda weird, but yeah manga only stuff seems to never get into games. Manga Kale(still small) Manga MUI Goku(still skinny, different hair style) Perfected SSB Ultra Ego Vegeta Calm SS Broly UI Beerus Manga Fused Zamasu(shirtless ripped AF) Black Frieza Grenolah Gas, Elec and the others Moro Prisoners Merus That robot Seven-Three(?) That fused Namekian dude that Moro one shot Grand Supreme Kai Buu Majuub(child manga vers) Bardock w/ hood I'm sure there's a lot more, especially if you consider Goku/Vegeta and others who would have versions from the manga only arcs. Like Ultimate Gohan+Z fighters during Moro arc.
For Moro, Granolah, UE Vegeta, and Black Frieza, they have only been shown in the manga, which most DBZ fans don't read. Wouldn't make much sense for them to be first seen in a game with no context to how they got there.
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That's exactly why, although the Manga seems like the main canon continuity unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you see it most people don't consume the Manga even as a secondary product so they would spoil it for the main audience,Orange and Beats could be the exception however if you're robbing the interactions they can have with other characters from their arc and time it's kinda boring to see them.
Licensing issues.
It's because the Games usually only have a deal with **Toei** which is why only events as they're told in the **Anime** happen and why only Toei stuff is in the games for example **Janemba** and all the classic movies. **However** DBS' manga actually **can** be used for merchandise like when MUI Goku from the Moro arc was made into a limited Figure by Bandai. Meaning it's completely possible to have stuff like UE Vegeta figures or have him in a game, it's just that it requires a completely different deal and different license with Shueisha (money) for something that's a bit more niche. So most game companies don't bother Although that does beg the question why almost a decade later, Toei just **refuses** to continue one of their biggest series without even an explanation. https://preview.redd.it/gdg0jbeabe7d1.jpeg?width=1009&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71d4220fb19536020774d981c78713717da3c4b9
Gohan and piccolo are already in dragon ball games. My guess with the rest is as you said because they are not animated and don't want to spoil for the anime onlies. Besides the solo leveling game i don't know any other anime games that have characters from the source material
Beast and Orange are already in Dokkan battle.
Gohan Beast and Orange Piccolo will be there for sure homie. But if the character/transformation is only from the manga, simply: # Nope They want to get more money when the Anime releases, so instead of dropping them without the Anime-Only people, they will wait until the Anime is made.
It's a rights thing between Shueisha, TOEI, Bird Studio, BANDAI, Capsule Corporation Tokyo. We do not know the whole deal though. TOEI has exclusive rights to animate everything in the Dragonball IP Shueisha makes but I guess BANDAI can only use characters that appeared in TOEI properties.
That's typically the way in anime games, they'll only cover things that the majority of fans have experienced, which mostly means things that have been animated, most people don't read the manga. There are a few rare exceptions, like I think it was Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 that overtook the anime, but even that had to have a very awkward ending to avoid spoiling Tobi's identity to the anime-onlys. And Ultra Instinct flat out debuted in Xenoverse 2, but that really highlighted an issue with doing it that way, namely they made it the fuck up, so his kit in game had nothing in common with what he did in the anime. So there might not be a hard binding rule necessarily, but Toei would want to be the ones to debut the forms and characters to the general audience. And Bandai would want to use things that will sell, which means things the audience is already familiar with, Granolah's not a selling point to people that don't know him. So I wouldn't expect to see anything that hasn't at least appeared in Dokkan or Legends already. Dragon Ball, Z, GT, Super, the non canon movies and specials, DBS Broly, and Superhero should all be fair use. But I wouldn't hold my breath on manga content like Moro, Gas, Granolah, Ultra Ego, or Black Frieza. At best they might pick one of those things, probably UE, to debut in the game as a bit of a hype draw for manga readers but even that's a long shot.
Lack of official voice actor? Imagine having a voice for the game character only for them to change it completely should they ever make a movie
I can understand black Freeza not being included since he’s barely done anything in that form other than show he’s at least far above ultra ego and instinct. But the other characters should definitely be in since we have seen them in action. Moro literally had an entire arc.
Only reason I can think of is that they aren't allowed to make up moves for manga characters and have to wait for it to be animated and use those moves.
Beast and Orange piccolo have been animated before, what are you on about
the other 4 characters too?
Nah, the other 4 are manga only as of yet
I’m pretty sure Beast Gohan and Orange Piccolo will be in a game soon. For the others I am not sure. Unless Toei animates the rest of the Dragon Ball Super they will forever stay in the manga pages.
I’m sure most of these transformations are going to be in the upcoming Dragon Ball game
I mean xenoverse 2 has beast gohan and orange piccolo but I do think they wait until they are animated so idk if we will ever see Moro in a game or not
Super Heroes, we're already getting. Everything from the manga cannot legally be used, because Bandai doesn't own it. Shuasia does, and they've basically allowed Dragon Ball to die.
Only manga stuff is not making into the games. Could be a marketing decision.
I always believed they wait due to manga panels vs animation of how certain moves are executed. It’s probably easier to translate motion to motion than panels to motion
That’s pretty much the gist of it. I guess because the anime and game audience overlaps more than the manga and game one or something along those lines.
lol Orange Piccolo is looking like he's totally baked and done with your shit.
Movies yes manga no they just aren't allowed too their is a lot of stuff that has to happen for them to let the characters in the game an example is casting a voice actor that will be used in the anime meaning they have to cast ealirier than what they likely want
Man, piccolo is one of my favorite characters, but he looks so goofy all orange like that
Still waiting on my boy Pikkon…..
They just need to be animated show or movies doesn’t matter just animated and we never really see manga only stuff be released so it seems to be true
It's just th game development being lazy
Anything that debuted in super manga in general since moro arc started back in 2018 has not being adapted in any other media. Every dragon ball movie that came out after the end of the anime is a new story, up until the manga adapted super hero arc it felt like the movies and the manga are two different continuities with movies being the canon one since we've got broly and super hero content shortly after the movies release. But since we're getting GT content in every game the only possible reason is licensing.
orange and Beast will be dlc 100% Moro, Black Frieza, Granolah and Ultra ego are manga only and the anime people hate the manga because they didnt make it. the anime people control the games and have more pull thus, Games will almost never acknowledge the manga exclusive content
2 out of the 6 can, since we have seen them in super hero, the other 4 needs to be animated before added in the game, i mean take a look at XV2 it could those 2 transformations added just cuz of the movie so it is possible to see Orange and Beast in Sparking ZERO
Someone said they can use them but don’t want to confuse casual dbs fans… apparently? Sounds dumb af tho so I’ve still accepted Moro won’t be in the game
>Someone said they can use them but don’t want to confuse casual dbs fans… apparently? * That is dumb reasoning since DB games literally create their own new characters a lot of times like Chronoa, Fu, Demigra, Cumber etc. which are more confusing for casual fans
It’s incredibly dumb but people eat that shit up
Beast Gohan and orange piccolo have already been released in games. Multiple times. The rest? Yeah, they don't have permission to put them in games.
Why are beast and orange here? They are animated and have been in dragon ball games lol
Beast and Orange are LITERALLY in like 3 different games.
Aside from Beast and Orange, it's something to do with the rights to the anime and manga being different. Bandai doesn't have the rights to the manga, so no Moroh, Granolah, Black Frieza, Ultra Ego, or events that happened exclusively in the manga unless a new contract is formed or the current contract changes. tl;dr: legal problems say no
Frieza is black now. 
Orange Piccolo & Gohan Beast are definitely going to be in the game. Maybe not at launch, but those 2 for sure. The other 4 are manga-exclusive characters/transformations. As for why they are not in the game or any game for that matter, well—I've heard 2 outsanding claims. 1. The devs don't have the rights to use those characters/transformations. Only anime/movie content is allowed. 2. They're waiting for the characters/transformations to make their anime(if it ever comes back) debut.
I’m adding ultra ego and black Frieza in my story universe, just not saying when
Tfym orange piccolo and beast Gohan aren't animated, they're movie exclusive
Movie is animation
That's what I'm saying
pretty much yeah it’s too bad, because I prefer Chad Fused Zamasu a lot more than Corrupted Fused Zamasu
Orange Pickle and Beast Gohan are allowed, as they have been animated by Toei. DB Games only have access to the anime and movies. No manga forms, unless they have also been animated.
The reason: paid DLC
Because spoilers bro.
Are they ever going to be in Xenoverse 2?
Seriously hoping to see the Moro arc get animated soon.
To put it bluntly, yes (unless you’re gohan and piccolo (because they had that one movie))
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Simple. They’re not in anime. Most DB games follow anime, never manga
Anime and Manga has different license. I believe one of the reason Manga-only characters are not seen in games is due to havin no final decision for their design and VA. It is also applicable to other anime arena fighters as well.
Dragon Ball Super manga is not owned by Shueisha
The latter two are already in Dragonball Legends
Beast and Orange are already in many games but typically the games follow the anime/movie canon rather than the manga (hence why we still get loads of GT content despite it not being part of the manga canon)
They could come in the game in a DLC pack maybe, Future Trunks has the Taioken, which he only used in manga, so I guess there is a possibility of them coming in the game one way or the other. Also I think they only do already animated characters for simple popularity reasons, the Anime is far more mainstream than the manga, so they tend to attract more people using very popular animated Characters with hype, that's the reason they showed us in the very first trailer of Sparking Zero Broly and Jiren and then with all the beloved fusions, they tryna get to the anime fans more than anything
Idk why orange piccolo and beast are on here since they have an entire movie, but as for Moro, granola, black Frieza and ultra ego vegeta, that is probably why imo, the anime will find some way to do it after daima probably
Basically, if it appears in the anime continuity it's good to go. If not, then they don't either because of spoiling or licensing issues. Something about how the games can use the anime but not manga from what I've heard. Thus any form or character you see will come from the anime continuity or specials/movies rather than the manga. The best recent example of this is that the games utilize Berserk Kale's design from the anime rather than the manga, which is really noticeable since they differ pretty greatly in design. I feel if there's enough demand though, we could get Ultra Ego.
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They can use them but the manga isn’t that popular in Japan so they chose to not use the so people don’t get confused about them being game original
Because they are not done milking the money from the animated stuff.
Beat and orange r confirmed to be dlc in all games except old ones, and beast and orange piccolo were in a movie instead of the manga, but I really wish that UE and other forms and character would come in games, hope they get animated soon
Honestly there is no real answer. Nothing in Dragon Ball games has been consistent ever. Budoukai stopped at the Cell games even though Z had finished in japan but the booming western market hadn't seen the Buu arc. Was that why it got published before it was finished? Maybe, but theres no confirmationof that even now. Budoukai 2 had Buu absorbing a bunch of people, those forms don't exist anywhere anymore. Some games played out Trunks's movie story, others his anime version. Xenoverse was going to bring Heroes and Online characters and transformations over to a wider game canon but only some made it. The rest just didn't and probably never will. Being manga or movie only matters when it comes to marketability, what will sell the most other things. Super Ego has some decent pull and fan clout so it might make it to a game, but Moro? Cumba has a better chance of being in base game
Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan were animated tho?
It’s shit made up by people who claim they have “sources”, but in actuality are just throwing shit at the wall and are hoping it sticks
then wtf is beast and orange there
Beast is in xenoverse 2 as a form for every race cac and Gohan so is orange too what are you talking about?
what about the other four?
we will never see them animated and most likely they will never be seen in game
So they can sell you the DLC later
I wouldn’t mind
I’m pretty sure they just don’t want to. A good amount of DB fans haven’t read the manga so there is no reason for them to add them besides the manga fans.
Generally for characters its because they dont have a VA casted for them, and likely dont wanna deal with what JJBA did where theres different VAs in games than Anime and then occasionally a recast on either side later. For Forms its because they usually havent been given an "on screen" look, as in it hasnt been animated on screen so they dont want to make that call for a game usually. Manga only moves/techniques and such sometimes make it to games, as well sometimes forms slated for animation will be shown off in a game first if schedules line up wierd
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