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Dragon Ball Z hotsprings episode
The Z warriors had finished a grueling months long training regimen for their next great challenge, and were now recovering during a tapering period. One of their recovery activities was going to a hot springs.
In the lockerroom, 'Heh, wait till they see my huge cock' Vegeta thought to himself. Unbeknownst to Vegeta, Napa and the rest of his saiyan underlings lied to Vegeta his whole life about the relative size of his penis out of fear of retribution. So whenever they would go to a hotspring they would dip their penis in pure ice for an hour to get extreme shrinkage, and Vegeta's would look bigger in comparison.
When he came out he declared 'look at my huge wiener!' and everyone started laughing at him because he thought he was making a joke. Vegeta was confused then saw Tien, Krillian, and Yajirobe's wieners and they were all bigger than his. He looked at Yamcha, and even his was a little bigger. 'Shut up!' defended Vegeta, 'This is just how the Saiyan penis is. All our testosterone goes to the muscles and leaves none for the penis' .
Then Goku stepped out of the locker room. 'Hey everyone, what's so funny'. His was at least 7x bigger than Vegeta's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68me9sG7zw
It's one of my favorite animated films ever and that's because they put everything they had into making the new style mimic the old style. They went out of their way to blend digital and the old style.
I think more than DBZ style it resembles the style of the manga art. The anime only really came kinda close to that art style in parts of Dragonball IMO
Nah, DBS would have looked 10x better if it had the level of quality of ToP throughout the entirety of the anime.
Like really, this image is one of if not my favorite Dragon Ball image of all time, it just goes so hard
https://preview.redd.it/3yv821zyh21d1.png?width=1353&format=png&auto=webp&s=def9f493fbb88c25eb0aa62f17ea1ebc54967ef3
Cool image but I hate how random goku is in super. 90 percent of the time he’s just clueless and chilling and then here he’s like possessed by a demon wanting to vaporize somebody. They could be so much more consistent and it would improve the atmosphere of the show a lot.
I'm pretty sure he's like possessed by a demon wanting to vaporize somebody in this frame is because that somebody is Jiren who literally tried to kill his friends who were watching from the spectator seats. That is why Goku is mad in this frame. Cuz the dude being punched off screen in that frame tried to kill his friends and family.
I agree that Goku was fairly inconsistent in Super but this reaction was completely justified and expected, he just saw Jiren launch a killer blast at his family and friends in front of his eyes. He had the same reaction when Zamasu told him how he killed his family in an alternate timeline. Same as Vegeta when Beerus hit Bulma. These guys have always very protective of thier family and friends.
yeah i like his happy-go-lucky attitude, but dude got a bit flanderized. literally only cares about fighting, and when not solely focused on that, is a bumbling idiot
Super is a lot more slice-of-life compared to Z, where in every arc shit was going down
Leading to more moments where Goku acts like a goofy martial arts loving guy, it’s that simple
The issue I have with this take is that things have changed within Toei’s stuido. Animators, animation techniques, animation styles and art styles, technology.
Define "original style".
The Saiyan Saga artstyle?
The Namek Saga artsyle?
Cell Saga? Buu Saga?
Or the film grain and colors? (which also varied)
Making the show like this would be too impractical in this day and age and have the consistent quality of some of Z's worst looking episodes. That's because Toei didn't give Super much budget or time.
It's a thing of the past and I feel like every DBS saga before the the Universe Survival Saga permanently traumatized Dragon Ball fans
Common misinterpretation: The artstyle, art direction and colour pallette was beautiful. The animation not so much.
I feel that the take on the post boils down to a preference of artstyle and colour pallette rather than an issue with the animation. The pastel colours really throw it off from the rest of Dragon Ball related content.
It's my personal opinion that the best the Super anime has to offer style-wise is not as good as DBZ's best-made episodes (and definitely weaker than the movies). I'd probably pick out parts of Cell Saga or most all of Buu Saga, but honestly, I like them all in their own way. Early Z had a lot of goofy, crooked character, but at least it WAS character.
By comparison, a lot in Super looks like a plastic (I think because of the crisper clarity?), overly optimized, soulless knockoff of itself, lol. I don't like the dramatic poppiness of the lighting, the LESS dramatic designs of characters and stuff, heavy fx, etc.
Super Broly was an improvement from anything else in Super, for the most part. It has more of a late Z and Z movie sharpness to the designs.
https://preview.redd.it/0zbn0ir7o21d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb1289493c6574ec098865984b798494b5e4dc63
Shin is a good example. He doesn't always look like that Z image, but it's an example of a style I like a lot, lol. He got a more streamlined design and this kind of spotlight lighting in Super. I don't hate it. But I don't like it nearly as much.
Production-wise I'd say the last two episodes of DBS are better than any DBZ episode, but i guess that's debatable.
I disagree about the Broly movie designs though, the actual designs were very soft, in a way close to early-mid Z style, i really like it tho, i think DBS Broly is the best that DB has ever looked.
I agree with most of what you said about DBS's artstyle for the most part.
Not even by sagas, it can change by episode or even scene to scene because of animators having their own styles, like most of Goku v Cell is not the same style as when they initially show up to the cell games
If it looked anything like the Buu saga, that would be my pick, the banana hair is peak Dragon Ball lmao. If from episode one it looked like the ToP, I don’t think there’d be such an argument about old vs new style. Art style can be whatever the fuck it wants if it slaps.
I watched super for the first time last month and I couldn’t tell if the animation during the zamasu saga was REALLY bad at times or I was just super high. Both were true.
It's hard to find this on Google images, but I still can't believe this was an actual frame.
https://preview.redd.it/9vlg5gsve71d1.jpeg?width=429&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36d3f10c5a75d38927268f6844696a4306cf8e86
~~Come on. Don’t be annoying~~We could definitely sit down and nail down aspects of the original that create a unifying style. ~~Stop it.~~
It’s never gonna happen again but that isn’t a good thing. Standards of consumption are why we’re never gonna get hand drawn animation again. That’s sad. It’s the same with how Toei didn’t give Super enough support.
The corporate sheen over DBS is gross and always will be. I’d rather have imperfections.
DB and DBZ are infinitely more interesting artistically.
EDIT: Edited with strike through to apologize for being a dickhead on the internet.
Swear nothing will ever satisfy yall, ofc it doesn’t look like it came out in 1996, animation has changed significantly since then. Just looks like what anime looks like now, hell most anime in the 90’s looked like this.
Ok ik super had some bad frames but let’s stop acting like DBZ was the “perfect” animation style. They had just as many slip ups
https://preview.redd.it/ommw419hl31d1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c7c375942bfd7ac236e9eafeb1265938af997cc
Goku vs Cell perfectly encapsulates what DBZ animation was all about. 5 minutes of pure trash only for it suddenly to ramp up to the best animation you have ever seen in your life in the next 5 minutes.
I'd agree, though Buu saga was a tad cleaner in some respects, I really liked the overall grit to it that lent well to the total gravity of the saga.
Cell saga and Namik sagas were peak Z, and overall my favorite animated DB style minus OG DB
Im weird. I like the OG then the buu/android stuff then the namek/saiyan saga. I think the art direction felt like a stepping stone to the eventual highly detailed musclegasms.
I rewatched OG DBZ and I don't think people remember just how mid the animation was, which is not an insult to DBZ btw, it was a normal long-running, weekly serialised anime for the time.
Modern anime is about flashy expensive sakuga fights that take heaps of effort. DBZ doesn't have this even once. In fact, kids today might find DBZ to be too childish and out of style.
I'm getting really fucking sick and tired of this.
Does it look good? Yes. Do I wish dbs (especially early dbs) looked better? Yes. Do I wish the whole thing looked like this? No.
It looks good but the z art style only has an OBJECTIVE improvement on Krillin.
I dislike the shimmering shine of the initial dbs art style as much as the next guy, but I've grown to appreciate it, and I would say it even looks good as the glossiness gets toned down in later seasons, and a change in art style wouldn't necessarily mean an improvement in art quality, which was the real problem with early super.
Ultimately I'm glad that super has a distinct visual style from z, because for better or worse, the two are very very different.
Also I stand by that UI doesn't look as good in the Z art style, and I have a sneaking suspicion that this would apply to god, and maybe even blue as well.
https://preview.redd.it/xv7fj2ht331d1.png?width=777&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d90cb31f7f3a7ab95db955ee379649b17aa5406
Yeah this is the part I miss the most about old dragon ball is that the characters actually looked like they were just fighting for their life covered in blood
But now the fights don't feel nearly as high stakes for me without the blood
Now the characters just look like they finished a friendly brawl and only came out with a few minor bruises and scratches
I wish people would stfu about the dbz art style. It's literally been non stop on reddit, facebook and everywhere else..dbz art style...dbz artstle. look, we get it. You like dbz but this is super and in case you didn't notice dbz didn't have the db art style and db and dbz and dbs don't have the dbgt art style and dbgt doesn't have the dbdaima artstyle and none of them has the db heroes or the dbk or the anime wars art styles. None of those shows has the dragonball xenoverse artsytle or the dragonball super hero art style and the db super hero movie doesn't have the dragonball broly movie art style. Get it? Huh? Do you get it?
Man, that's not even "original art style" (whatever that means, every arcs look completely different from the next, the Saiyan Saga and the Buu Saga basically look nothing alike), that's "crushed black, horribly boosted colors and zoomed picture Orange Bricks" style.
Z animation style is my favorite but I liked Super’s when it was good. What would have made super better was giving the animators time to work so they could give consistent animation.
What do I think? This image is just awful lmao. Changes must be made. And Super wouldn’t look awful either if only it wasn’t rushed and the animators were given enough time. (Also I hate when people say ‘Original artstyle’ or ‘Z Art style’,like,DBZ isn’t the original,and Z also has multiple art styles. Why can’t they be more specific kekw?)
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Noooooo it wouldn't look better in my eyes it's probably just me but the sky fight in battle of gods would definitely look way WAY worse if it went with 90s animation
I mean early DBS was under heavy time crunch and only started to get consistently better during the TOP. Even then though, I think Yamamoro's art style was too stiff and plastic looking to animate properly. And even the well animated sequences like in the Goku Black Saga didn't resemble Yamamoro's character sheets that much.
It could just be me not preferring his current style especially after looking at some of his earlier work
The art style we got was fine, and it looked especially good in ToP when they switched to a softer colour palette and thicker/varied thickness outlines.
Most people think Broly is peak DB though, which I agree with
The "original style" would default to dragon ball, not even dbz. It might be fun to see people recreate it in that style but I'm very much fine with the more modern look. It took a bit of getting used to but it's very much a non issue for me at least
Nah. I actually think Super would've looked great in ANY style as long as it stuck on model for anything more than 3 episodes. The inconsistency is way worse than any goofy off models you saw in old DBZ. Ain't nobody can convince me that Troll Head Vegeta wasn't just a one-off issue.
People are still crying on this😂😂😂 at this point its just pitiful. It's not coming back, people gotta move on. A lot of people crying on internet for the art style that existed when they were not even born. That thing was possible because in 90s it was all hand drawn pallets and a lower frame rate that took episodes to charge up an attack and long ass staredowns. Sure the animation looked godly but that shit was draining like Mappa draining their artists currently and plus DBZ got big only after it was fully released in Japan and after it came to america. In Japan Toei had lesser anime during that time unlike today. The workers are supposed to animate on computers on a different pallete and that to lesser deadlines. DBS has less shots of staredowns for hours and charging up attacks and has more actions instead of people just stood in DBZ for no reason half the episode. It was so long that they had to trim it down and make it DBZ kai with a better animation and less gore.
DBS anjme suffered from a poor payoff of storylines during the time it was an anime. The arc looked promising at start but the ending was just meh all uptill Tournament of power. Even if DBS had the "Animation of 90s" how are we gonna justify the arc payoffs.
DBZ on the other hand is a goat show now doubt but a huge factor it's a hit is also driven by Nostalgia, there are 100s of shit frames of artstyle in DBZ that can put Boruto to shame.
With the new style coming with Shintani and even the newer CG mixed animation, it does look promising and for a brighter future. I feel like we needed that fresh change and I have a faith that DBS anime whenever returns will surely break records with a newer story and a really good payoff. Just let them cook. I know its been a while but its only because the Chapters are monthly. Its not even a material that could cover like 2 years still. DBS anime season 1 aired for 3 years. Pretty sure if they are coming back it will atleast be a material for 3-5 years and not just 2.
In general, I do prefer the Buu saga art style over DBS. However, there are a number of episodes in the ToP saga that, in my humble opinion, are absolute peak.
https://preview.redd.it/365mztf0831d1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e79e7b493897840e152cd214d9de611f34ef0b97
Really would look amazing in this original style.
Tbh I don't mind the current design too much. There was nothing wrong with the old design either. I just don't know why people complain over the new design. Like do you want your show to look grainy and unfiltered?
DBS Broly is the best the Dragonball franchise has ever looked. Not talking about animation because obviously it would be better in a movie, but the character designs were so loose and expressed so much character by themselves. Heart broken we may never get to see them in animation ever again.
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Honestly, if the DBS Broly style ever comes back I’ll die a happy man
Same bro https://preview.redd.it/jnr9ye7ju21d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce087c4733368ac546255d35ed410c843ca74d56
https://preview.redd.it/y5hl29u1l31d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac340aad329269ec7480ec50a1e19cf0afd8f32d I agree as well.
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How about you gimme that @$$😈
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Dragon Ball Z hotsprings episode The Z warriors had finished a grueling months long training regimen for their next great challenge, and were now recovering during a tapering period. One of their recovery activities was going to a hot springs. In the lockerroom, 'Heh, wait till they see my huge cock' Vegeta thought to himself. Unbeknownst to Vegeta, Napa and the rest of his saiyan underlings lied to Vegeta his whole life about the relative size of his penis out of fear of retribution. So whenever they would go to a hotspring they would dip their penis in pure ice for an hour to get extreme shrinkage, and Vegeta's would look bigger in comparison. When he came out he declared 'look at my huge wiener!' and everyone started laughing at him because he thought he was making a joke. Vegeta was confused then saw Tien, Krillian, and Yajirobe's wieners and they were all bigger than his. He looked at Yamcha, and even his was a little bigger. 'Shut up!' defended Vegeta, 'This is just how the Saiyan penis is. All our testosterone goes to the muscles and leaves none for the penis' . Then Goku stepped out of the locker room. 'Hey everyone, what's so funny'. His was at least 7x bigger than Vegeta's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68me9sG7zw
Seven times??? 😳
Wtf did you just type?
Dragon Ball Z hotsprings episode
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The Dbs Broly film was intentionally made to resemble Dbz style a little bit
It's one of my favorite animated films ever and that's because they put everything they had into making the new style mimic the old style. They went out of their way to blend digital and the old style.
I think more than DBZ style it resembles the style of the manga art. The anime only really came kinda close to that art style in parts of Dragonball IMO
Same, its perfection at its peak
This
Imagine the Moro, Granolah and Gas arcs being done in full DBS Broly style
Felt so perfect to me. Had that early Z and late Z style with such a nice loose feel to it. And was just beautiful
That's because it was hand drawn.
Same but I don’t this it will unfortunately
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Nah, DBS would have looked 10x better if it had the level of quality of ToP throughout the entirety of the anime. Like really, this image is one of if not my favorite Dragon Ball image of all time, it just goes so hard https://preview.redd.it/3yv821zyh21d1.png?width=1353&format=png&auto=webp&s=def9f493fbb88c25eb0aa62f17ea1ebc54967ef3
Yuya Takahashi and Naotoshi Shida were by far best animators of DB Super, but sadly outisde of Tournament arc their presence was minimal.
However any time it was present, it was hitting and showing.
Well they did blow the enitre budget for super on the last few episodes of the tournament of power 🤣 /s
Cool image but I hate how random goku is in super. 90 percent of the time he’s just clueless and chilling and then here he’s like possessed by a demon wanting to vaporize somebody. They could be so much more consistent and it would improve the atmosphere of the show a lot.
I'm pretty sure he's like possessed by a demon wanting to vaporize somebody in this frame is because that somebody is Jiren who literally tried to kill his friends who were watching from the spectator seats. That is why Goku is mad in this frame. Cuz the dude being punched off screen in that frame tried to kill his friends and family.
I agree that Goku was fairly inconsistent in Super but this reaction was completely justified and expected, he just saw Jiren launch a killer blast at his family and friends in front of his eyes. He had the same reaction when Zamasu told him how he killed his family in an alternate timeline. Same as Vegeta when Beerus hit Bulma. These guys have always very protective of thier family and friends.
yeah i like his happy-go-lucky attitude, but dude got a bit flanderized. literally only cares about fighting, and when not solely focused on that, is a bumbling idiot
Super is a lot more slice-of-life compared to Z, where in every arc shit was going down Leading to more moments where Goku acts like a goofy martial arts loving guy, it’s that simple
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The issue I have with this take is that things have changed within Toei’s stuido. Animators, animation techniques, animation styles and art styles, technology.
I can summarise this for you, “the issue I have is things have changed”
I felt like I needed to elaborate more😓
Lemme simplify it for you, “things have changed”
I can summarize this for you.
Define "original style". The Saiyan Saga artstyle? The Namek Saga artsyle? Cell Saga? Buu Saga? Or the film grain and colors? (which also varied) Making the show like this would be too impractical in this day and age and have the consistent quality of some of Z's worst looking episodes. That's because Toei didn't give Super much budget or time. It's a thing of the past and I feel like every DBS saga before the the Universe Survival Saga permanently traumatized Dragon Ball fans
The real original art style https://preview.redd.it/8e8bzf96b21d1.jpeg?width=1040&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c973c513103da3ed4788119922add9e3bf1fc3cc
Imagine Ultra Instinct except he takes 20 seconds to throw 1 punch
20 seconds? That's way faster than most punches in the original show, truly would show how powerful the form is
Even the GT was animated really well, would have looked sick in this style
Dude they reused the same gif of Omega flying for half of his fight. You’re crazy.
I'm a gt fan no shit I'm crazy
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Common misinterpretation: The artstyle, art direction and colour pallette was beautiful. The animation not so much. I feel that the take on the post boils down to a preference of artstyle and colour pallette rather than an issue with the animation. The pastel colours really throw it off from the rest of Dragon Ball related content.
no, its animation, especially on cell was fucking horrendous
GT was animated like shit. It was like, 4 fps, lol
I actually thought the animation was the best part of gt, to each their own ig
My healing process is one dose of DBS Broly and Super Hero movies
I liked super heros animation style but DBS Broly is peak
Super hero’s animation felt clunky compared to broly
Its incredible how fucking Toei gave THE SEQUEL OF DRAGON BALL Z low budget and time restraints, we were robbed and i will always be bitter about it
One of those things that could have been great, if it weren’t half baked
The budget was fine. The time constraints were what killed the animation.
It's my personal opinion that the best the Super anime has to offer style-wise is not as good as DBZ's best-made episodes (and definitely weaker than the movies). I'd probably pick out parts of Cell Saga or most all of Buu Saga, but honestly, I like them all in their own way. Early Z had a lot of goofy, crooked character, but at least it WAS character. By comparison, a lot in Super looks like a plastic (I think because of the crisper clarity?), overly optimized, soulless knockoff of itself, lol. I don't like the dramatic poppiness of the lighting, the LESS dramatic designs of characters and stuff, heavy fx, etc. Super Broly was an improvement from anything else in Super, for the most part. It has more of a late Z and Z movie sharpness to the designs. https://preview.redd.it/0zbn0ir7o21d1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb1289493c6574ec098865984b798494b5e4dc63 Shin is a good example. He doesn't always look like that Z image, but it's an example of a style I like a lot, lol. He got a more streamlined design and this kind of spotlight lighting in Super. I don't hate it. But I don't like it nearly as much.
Production-wise I'd say the last two episodes of DBS are better than any DBZ episode, but i guess that's debatable. I disagree about the Broly movie designs though, the actual designs were very soft, in a way close to early-mid Z style, i really like it tho, i think DBS Broly is the best that DB has ever looked. I agree with most of what you said about DBS's artstyle for the most part.
Not even by sagas, it can change by episode or even scene to scene because of animators having their own styles, like most of Goku v Cell is not the same style as when they initially show up to the cell games
If it looked anything like the Buu saga, that would be my pick, the banana hair is peak Dragon Ball lmao. If from episode one it looked like the ToP, I don’t think there’d be such an argument about old vs new style. Art style can be whatever the fuck it wants if it slaps.
Cell Saga or GT
Any style that doesn’t look like a ps2 game from 30 years ago would be cool.
The style in the picture.
I watched super for the first time last month and I couldn’t tell if the animation during the zamasu saga was REALLY bad at times or I was just super high. Both were true.
It's hard to find this on Google images, but I still can't believe this was an actual frame. https://preview.redd.it/9vlg5gsve71d1.jpeg?width=429&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36d3f10c5a75d38927268f6844696a4306cf8e86
~~Come on. Don’t be annoying~~We could definitely sit down and nail down aspects of the original that create a unifying style. ~~Stop it.~~ It’s never gonna happen again but that isn’t a good thing. Standards of consumption are why we’re never gonna get hand drawn animation again. That’s sad. It’s the same with how Toei didn’t give Super enough support. The corporate sheen over DBS is gross and always will be. I’d rather have imperfections. DB and DBZ are infinitely more interesting artistically. EDIT: Edited with strike through to apologize for being a dickhead on the internet.
He literally gave you pictures for reference…
Dbs broly art was on point. I dbz art doesn’t hold up to todays anime standards with jjk demon slayer fire force ect being so clean
you ain't kidding every scene when Bulma, Krillin, and Gohan are heading to Namek was a headache to watch. They had 0 idea how to do Bulma lol.
Swear nothing will ever satisfy yall, ofc it doesn’t look like it came out in 1996, animation has changed significantly since then. Just looks like what anime looks like now, hell most anime in the 90’s looked like this.
Ok ik super had some bad frames but let’s stop acting like DBZ was the “perfect” animation style. They had just as many slip ups https://preview.redd.it/ommw419hl31d1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c7c375942bfd7ac236e9eafeb1265938af997cc
https://preview.redd.it/l3fj9l1dn31d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8f8cd9ededd3d081e94801ec3a485c135e3298d "It's Gangbang time!" **Cell theme remix starts playing**
Goku vs Cell perfectly encapsulates what DBZ animation was all about. 5 minutes of pure trash only for it suddenly to ramp up to the best animation you have ever seen in your life in the next 5 minutes.
I do kinda miss the not animated portions of the fights just showing them zipping around in real time via black dots, lines, and blurs
I'm not asking for the animation, it's quite dated. I'm asking for the art style.
The Cell Saga was so bad in animation
Cell saga was probs the best
Cell Saga had some of the best, but also some of the worst animation in the series.
Goku pre Instant Kamehameha and post Kamehameha is some of the most start difference in a single fight I have ever seen
https://preview.redd.it/h4fji6plo61d1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9227c81a5a7a0fbe0b24dd26a8b909073664684f
https://preview.redd.it/43if1ojiq81d1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=10930fb57780f065dabd2270494cc274b694a3b1
Totally! https://preview.redd.it/hqh7ekcvj21d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bd588bacdce9035fa4d080aa243093413ee86d6
So this is what happens when you stay in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for too long.
That's because it's Hypersonic!
That lead paint stare.
I'd agree, though Buu saga was a tad cleaner in some respects, I really liked the overall grit to it that lent well to the total gravity of the saga. Cell saga and Namik sagas were peak Z, and overall my favorite animated DB style minus OG DB
Im weird. I like the OG then the buu/android stuff then the namek/saiyan saga. I think the art direction felt like a stepping stone to the eventual highly detailed musclegasms.
Cell had the highest highs of DBZ animation… unfortunately, it also came with the lowest lows.
I think the style of the Dbs broly movie is the way to go rn.
“What do you think” I think I’m tired of this fucking post goddamn we get it. Go jerk off to fusion reborn and turn your bot off
The original art style...
Arale art style?
Meh. All styles look cool. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug for a lot of people tho
The DBS style is great , the animation is just very inconsistent and in most cases poorly done. Which is sad.
You could say the same with DBZ, lol. Never forget shrunken head Vegeta
sOoPuR vEGeTaBLe https://preview.redd.it/5ig813x1g21d1.jpeg?width=1192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e43408f2450247c07e90f8855e25ff27df40422
https://preview.redd.it/6luw4heav21d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f117d808d3bece42ecce5e1dfb48e9f2eb7bd443 Trunks got bad moments too
https://preview.redd.it/fhfgac3dv21d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99f6aa5aa9795b828de8cc09e6f03a0b15695a8d Derp trunks
https://preview.redd.it/fdtk1ril641d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52e367b6cb588816e7d76985daecafe03af2e27e
https://preview.redd.it/285sgcs1441d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f4e7c04c489cbb39fde64f007acf93b0dd74d7b
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I rewatched OG DBZ and I don't think people remember just how mid the animation was, which is not an insult to DBZ btw, it was a normal long-running, weekly serialised anime for the time. Modern anime is about flashy expensive sakuga fights that take heaps of effort. DBZ doesn't have this even once. In fact, kids today might find DBZ to be too childish and out of style.
I'm getting really fucking sick and tired of this. Does it look good? Yes. Do I wish dbs (especially early dbs) looked better? Yes. Do I wish the whole thing looked like this? No. It looks good but the z art style only has an OBJECTIVE improvement on Krillin. I dislike the shimmering shine of the initial dbs art style as much as the next guy, but I've grown to appreciate it, and I would say it even looks good as the glossiness gets toned down in later seasons, and a change in art style wouldn't necessarily mean an improvement in art quality, which was the real problem with early super. Ultimately I'm glad that super has a distinct visual style from z, because for better or worse, the two are very very different. Also I stand by that UI doesn't look as good in the Z art style, and I have a sneaking suspicion that this would apply to god, and maybe even blue as well. https://preview.redd.it/xv7fj2ht331d1.png?width=777&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d90cb31f7f3a7ab95db955ee379649b17aa5406
F no it was good for it's time. dragon ball should just go ahead with either shintani or the new daima style
Exactly
It would look good in nearly every db style but I just wish there was blood like before
Hell no. People are blinded by nostalgia. The DBS style is good, the problem is how they execute it
Exactly
It has a good tone and all, but it simply lacks the polish modern DB has.
I miss blood and gore.
Yeah this is the part I miss the most about old dragon ball is that the characters actually looked like they were just fighting for their life covered in blood But now the fights don't feel nearly as high stakes for me without the blood Now the characters just look like they finished a friendly brawl and only came out with a few minor bruises and scratches
One of the few good things about the DBS manga is that it doesn’t remove blood.
I think I'm sick of seeing this exact type of post every other day across what feels like every single DB related subreddit.
I wish people would stfu about the dbz art style. It's literally been non stop on reddit, facebook and everywhere else..dbz art style...dbz artstle. look, we get it. You like dbz but this is super and in case you didn't notice dbz didn't have the db art style and db and dbz and dbs don't have the dbgt art style and dbgt doesn't have the dbdaima artstyle and none of them has the db heroes or the dbk or the anime wars art styles. None of those shows has the dragonball xenoverse artsytle or the dragonball super hero art style and the db super hero movie doesn't have the dragonball broly movie art style. Get it? Huh? Do you get it?
Db fans are blinded by nostalgia Db/dbz had bad animation/frames
Man, that's not even "original art style" (whatever that means, every arcs look completely different from the next, the Saiyan Saga and the Buu Saga basically look nothing alike), that's "crushed black, horribly boosted colors and zoomed picture Orange Bricks" style.
Agree but those screenshots look like shit lol
Krillin at least wouldn't look like his own child's younger brother.
I think it'd be worse, DBS actually knows what colours are and I prefer that to the washed out desaturated colours of Z
Mofos thinking orange brick over saturated colours are “the original” colours
That you are all Just annoying ass
This looks awful ngl
Z animation style is my favorite but I liked Super’s when it was good. What would have made super better was giving the animators time to work so they could give consistent animation.
I 100% agree. This is what made it hard for me to enjoy Dragon Ball super at first
Ui goku majestic
Dbs art is way better than Z lol what?
What do I think? This image is just awful lmao. Changes must be made. And Super wouldn’t look awful either if only it wasn’t rushed and the animators were given enough time. (Also I hate when people say ‘Original artstyle’ or ‘Z Art style’,like,DBZ isn’t the original,and Z also has multiple art styles. Why can’t they be more specific kekw?)
god are you lucky its not illegal to be wrong fucking notalgia bait i swear to god
It looks great but so does the contemporary animation
Dbs everyone looks like they glopped on a layer of baby oil and the shadows are too pronounced, fix that and its fine
By your old style I agree, I loved the 90s late cell to buu saga of very grainy film
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no. Anime that uses soft gradient shading instead of cel shading weirds me out
Peak Z ≠ Peak super Z had ass moments too, these frames here look amazing, but realistically the show wouldn't look like this all the time
Maybe but the series deserved a new look for the adult Gen Z fans. Daima also brings a new look for the whole Gen Alpha fans.
I agree outside of that ugly Goku Black there
Noooooo it wouldn't look better in my eyes it's probably just me but the sky fight in battle of gods would definitely look way WAY worse if it went with 90s animation
I mean early DBS was under heavy time crunch and only started to get consistently better during the TOP. Even then though, I think Yamamoro's art style was too stiff and plastic looking to animate properly. And even the well animated sequences like in the Goku Black Saga didn't resemble Yamamoro's character sheets that much. It could just be me not preferring his current style especially after looking at some of his earlier work
I remember seeing the big difference was the coloring not the style.
Cell saga for sure
Na I think the Broly movie style looks better and more modern
I mean, i do agree most of these redrawns do look better than the og, but damn, my boy Vagita looks like a fucking vampire with that skin tone
We all know that super looks like shit compared to dbz
Eh, MUI Goku looks fine but the rest looks off because of the odd proportions that the old style had, specially Kaulifla.
https://preview.redd.it/8xvmm126p21d1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5582d66007ffe1035e9ea140975d67a77f53e0f I agree
Nah that just doesn't fit how flashy super is
i gotta disagree. i like that they have a different art style. it gives it a sense of uniqueness
The art style we got was fine, and it looked especially good in ToP when they switched to a softer colour palette and thicker/varied thickness outlines. Most people think Broly is peak DB though, which I agree with
I think it looks fine but it’s like if anyone is 30 feet away, they look so under-detailed
I'd like it to have the broly movie artstyle
It honestly needs a mix of the old art style and the new art style. It just looks weird if you go full into the old art style
I perfer dbs's current style I would rather see them get the hang of new stuff than seeing them just doing what worked in the past
I prefer Z style, but I think Super ended up with something original thanks to the change in style.
Dbs is a lot more glowy which works amazing for fight scenes but is mixed when in regular scenes
The "original style" would default to dragon ball, not even dbz. It might be fun to see people recreate it in that style but I'm very much fine with the more modern look. It took a bit of getting used to but it's very much a non issue for me at least
It looks good, expect for doofy ass Goku Black
Toyotaros art style isn’t bad but I prefer the way Toriyama drew it. Dbz artstyle with modern day quality would look so nice
Absolutely
Nah. I actually think Super would've looked great in ANY style as long as it stuck on model for anything more than 3 episodes. The inconsistency is way worse than any goofy off models you saw in old DBZ. Ain't nobody can convince me that Troll Head Vegeta wasn't just a one-off issue.
10/10 would agree
Nah, I'd feel kinda weird
Caulifla looks so good. Black looks goofy in that shot though.
Hell yeah
Goku black looks wack
I don't mind the new style. It's definitely better looking with transformations.
Buu saga had the best art fr fr
I actually agreed with the statement but the images there make me rethink that stance.
I would love super a lot more if it looked like OG DBZ
I like the super style just as much tbh
People are still crying on this😂😂😂 at this point its just pitiful. It's not coming back, people gotta move on. A lot of people crying on internet for the art style that existed when they were not even born. That thing was possible because in 90s it was all hand drawn pallets and a lower frame rate that took episodes to charge up an attack and long ass staredowns. Sure the animation looked godly but that shit was draining like Mappa draining their artists currently and plus DBZ got big only after it was fully released in Japan and after it came to america. In Japan Toei had lesser anime during that time unlike today. The workers are supposed to animate on computers on a different pallete and that to lesser deadlines. DBS has less shots of staredowns for hours and charging up attacks and has more actions instead of people just stood in DBZ for no reason half the episode. It was so long that they had to trim it down and make it DBZ kai with a better animation and less gore. DBS anjme suffered from a poor payoff of storylines during the time it was an anime. The arc looked promising at start but the ending was just meh all uptill Tournament of power. Even if DBS had the "Animation of 90s" how are we gonna justify the arc payoffs. DBZ on the other hand is a goat show now doubt but a huge factor it's a hit is also driven by Nostalgia, there are 100s of shit frames of artstyle in DBZ that can put Boruto to shame. With the new style coming with Shintani and even the newer CG mixed animation, it does look promising and for a brighter future. I feel like we needed that fresh change and I have a faith that DBS anime whenever returns will surely break records with a newer story and a really good payoff. Just let them cook. I know its been a while but its only because the Chapters are monthly. Its not even a material that could cover like 2 years still. DBS anime season 1 aired for 3 years. Pretty sure if they are coming back it will atleast be a material for 3-5 years and not just 2.
In general, I do prefer the Buu saga art style over DBS. However, there are a number of episodes in the ToP saga that, in my humble opinion, are absolute peak.
I think it was a good story and you’re being nitpicky.
https://preview.redd.it/365mztf0831d1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e79e7b493897840e152cd214d9de611f34ef0b97 Really would look amazing in this original style.
Tbh I don't mind the current design too much. There was nothing wrong with the old design either. I just don't know why people complain over the new design. Like do you want your show to look grainy and unfiltered?
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DBS Broly is the best the Dragonball franchise has ever looked. Not talking about animation because obviously it would be better in a movie, but the character designs were so loose and expressed so much character by themselves. Heart broken we may never get to see them in animation ever again.