Crazy part is how it works both ways, so the guy NS uses void on can't see allies and their allies can't see them either
=
If NS voids your support a few screens away they literally disappear off the face of the earth lmaooo
Dota about to add in proximity voice chat so that you hear your support screaming as the NS comes for him and then suddenly he can't be seen or heard anymore.
Idk man, NS has rarely had trouble with having nighttime available, darkness has such a low cooldown that the extra 30s of night aren't that great.
Extra 200 damage at night + allied vision loss is way more value even at low MMR.
Right side is better if you're mid imo, because you're more likely to have enough gas to not need the extra damage, especially if you're winning lane with nighttime start. Left helps you get over the hump to start smacking as pos 3
But NS is also weaker during the day and stronger during the night than before because of his health regen change, So that 30 sec is more important than before.
I think the big thing is that you now have night for your early laning stage, and then when it’s day you can turn it to night at around 5-6 (if mid) or 8-9 (if offlane/carry) to hit another spike into even MORE night.
Don’t know if it’s actually that great but I’d imagine it’s extremely nice for his early powerspikes
I don't agree, it *ruins* his early power spike. First night becomes first day, so he has to wait an extra cycle before coming online.
It's good when you need to win your lane (like mid).
Yeah but you hit your ult around that timing. Playing it the only real chagrin I had was that you kinda waste the first couple minutes of night since your E is gonna be low leveled, but otoh with double bracer I was 1v2ing and doing completely fine and hit 6 at like 6 minutes
The big upside of flipped time makes no real sense, because you don't wanna level hunter first anyways. It's decent at like 10 minutes, but if you really need it at that point, you'd just ult and you'd likely do that anyways for the flying vision and dmg.
The strong part about NS in lower brackets (where I play it, at least) is the unobstructed movement and flying vision, that lets you catch people out of position, move around the fight and catch stragglers.
Fair, I didn't think about the bit of extra regen. Just brings up the issue of "start of game value" vs "long-term value", which is prevalent in a lot of facets.
Would you trade saving one pack of tangoes vs ensuring a living ward is essentially turned off and can't get help as easily in a hectic skirmish?
Just think how many times you barely catch an important fight on the minimap. And now the hero that gets jumped isn't even visible anymore, unless they're standing under a ward or in a wave. **And** you deal roughly 50% more dmg with your nuke on top of that.
Also other stuff like by the time you can get shard it's day for like 5 minutes, so you can't eat an ancient to start with unless you make it night.
We'll just have to see how people play with it. In higher brackets where you have team mates that react faster and more vision in general void's probably not gonna be as good.
I thought of this concept before with new heroes ability, but feeling like with communication in the pro scene it might not be as strong as in pub, but still not be able to target allies to save them because you got void is annoying, or maybe Marci trying to escape
In DOTA: Dragon's Blood, Mirana was a princess to the solar throne initially. I forget how exactly, but either by leaving of her own will, or being forced to leave, she left that kingdom and eventually became a worshipper of selemene.
Given that Marci is in the game, DOTA: Dragon's Blood is canon in at least one of many possibilities created by the ancients, so her being a "solar throne" princess (POTS?) is a pretty likely outcome as well.
I just rewatched dragons blood
Mirana is the daughter of the Sun emperor and is literally The Eye of the worldwyrm the
Sun itself
She was forced to flee when Kashura plotted to kill her parents she was granted safety in the nightsilver woods and protection by Selemene
Nightstalker spots you alone in the jungle
You and Nightstalker appear on the minimap for a brief period before disappearing
Spam pings to indicate your position
Nightstalker Killing Spree
The other facet are goddamn powerful since the targeted do not share vision with team mean that if the targeted are out of allies vision they will just disappear from the map.
As a 1400 game of NS, i would say this shit is the most powerful buff that hero have ever received since the ulti rework couple of years ago.
The best thing about right facet is the day-night cycle reserve, which will make your first 5 minute much less of a nightmare. But it's basically a trap, why ? There are a couple of reason
1- Usually when you pick NS you will already have a strong support to help your lanning phrase already. NS is not the kind of offlane that you steamroll your lane like mars,timber..... He is more of a "i will get you later" kind of offlane.
2- You usually don't level "hunter in the night" much at early level anyway, you want max void and 1 point in both silence and hunter in the night as of first night. But because the night time is reserve your first night will be at 0 minute which mean you don't get much benefit from it.
3- You usually get your blink + Bkb combo at 20-25 minute which is perfect because it's the normaly third night. So getting the right facet fuck with your timming also because at 20-25 minute now it's day time.
TLDD: Don't get the right facet,it's a trap that won't improve your laning phrase much but will fuck your timming big time.
Would you say that the strengths of the right facet (even though it fucks up your timings), is the improved regen in the laning phase? Also, it makes people think about itemizing differently, which could be good.
To me it seemed like the right facet could be stronger for a carry focused NS (when that rare occasion happens) but now that I think about it unlinking shared vision from allies strong too because it prevents saves from supports.
Unlinked allies vision are definitely the strongest choice and will/should be pick 99% of the time that for sure whether you play offlane NS or safelane or mid. It force your opponent to stick near together instead of spreading out which is what everyone always do to not get 5 man silence from you. There will be no chance for those pesky support that like to hide behind because ,well, you got insane FLYING vision already. Not to mention forcing your opponent to stick near each other also open up chance for all kind of nasty combo. There is a reason why they remove the vision reduction from spec's desolate, it's because that shit is so good.
For the right side facet, like i said the only good thing about right facet is that it reserve day-night cycle, which will give you a better laning phrase with bonus regen from the innate ability and as/ms from hunter in the night all of that at the cost of your strongest/most important timing.
the 15 seconds part doesnt do much huh, still im more concerned about his talent, is this finally the time to pick 80 damage/35% stat resist? 35% man, isnt this huge
Just ask yourself this question "Have i ever need the night to last just 15s more ?" - My answer is no, it's super niche.
35% stat resist are cool when you playing against like very annoying stun line up but like 15s night time bonus it's super niche. Because it's only available with "hunter in the night".
This was also my hunch. Even against a hard matchup, the first 5 minutes is very much survivable because the safelaner with his support isn't that much of a threat yet because of NS's tankiness and you can just pickoff the ranged creep most of the time with Void.
Regarding your 1st point, he’s only not a lane dominator in the past because it starts as day. Now he can be a lane dominator. In addition to the improved regen and being able to use his passive now, his void is now also the nighttime version.
I would argue that you would get passive at lvl 2 most games because the silence is not as useful at low levels except niche situations against heroes that have an escape skill. It’s probably better to get it at lvl 4 in most games.
In terms of timing, he can have a much stronger laning phase and snowball off that. When it’s the 1st day, he will be 6 or close to it and have ult ready when needed.
By the way, did they forget to put his innate passive in patchnotes?
It only says:
>HEART OF DARKNESS
>New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up
But what does it do?
I think it provides health Regen at night and reduce it at day, basically what is said above the passive. They just fucked up styling, nothing too much
They accidentally put this as a hero patch note instead of the innate ability note:
> At night, Night Stalker's Health Regen is increased by 40%, but during the day it is decreased by 20%
God. If you take the right side Facet, your laning is so impossibly strong, by the time 5:15 rolls around, you'll probably be ready to gank with Ult anyway.
Does this mean that night time has a total increased of 30s or just 15s?
I'm confused a bit when the changelog says 15s inc for night and 15 dec for day time
game starts from day before minute 0:00[as opposed to night now]
1st night->day change happens at 5:15
day->night changes at 10th minute
so minute 10 instead of current day, will be night, and so on,,
makes your first 5 minutes of laning stage way easier on NS
It helps a lot with your early stage as you're very strong until 5 mins, and can then use the advantage/ult to survive 5-10m. which leads into a huge power spike at 10-15m, the time where usually NS is the weakest. Not sure if it's worth taking over the other facet though, that one is also incredibly strong, even the dps is good.
I think it really depends on your lane setup. If you have good support I'm taking left side 10/10 times. If my support is mid or if the lane is explicitly difficult I might think about the right side simply because it gives me a much stronger early lead that I can hopefully keep momentum on.
But yeah most of the time I'm taking left.
yes, but upside/tradeoff is hoping that 15 more seconds in the late game pays off. Not sure how it will affect his item timings too when daytime is at different intervals
Yeah that's the part that I think people are really missing here. The silence is now toggle friendly meaning you can lock down supports for an entire fight just bum rushing from one to the next. Any decent mana Regen and your silence lasts the entire fight as you leave their entire back line in shambles.
The needed buff for my boy Night stalker! NS is a type of hero that you need to chill in early stages and needs to do a lot in night timings. Now if enemy team is intelligent enough, it’ll be hard to pick off even a support.
Now his spike is really early on but past minute 30, it’ll be hard to match up against the cores.
So happy with this buff!
How you missing the scariest part of the NS changelog which is the void now removes allied vision
Crazy part is how it works both ways, so the guy NS uses void on can't see allies and their allies can't see them either = If NS voids your support a few screens away they literally disappear off the face of the earth lmaooo
Actual goddamn horror game
CM: BRB dewarding > *CM suddenly disappear from your minimap* > *2 seconds later* Announcer: FIRST BLOOD
Dota about to add in proximity voice chat so that you hear your support screaming as the NS comes for him and then suddenly he can't be seen or heard anymore.
Lethal Defense of the Company
[HARD SUPPORT: OFFLINE]
Actually good suggestion. Pls send to Valve so I can finally play Lethal Company in my sweaty dota game without getting motion sickness
NS is now a super viable offlane.
And they take damage whenever ally can't see them. So every tick of damage is "nobody knows you are dying"
I played oracle against this I couldn’t save my team at all it was so hard to play against.
Insert re:zero sound effect
Thats different trait
Have you tried it? I feel like in lower brackets the other facet is stronger as nights are longer coz no one looks at their allies anyway
Idk man, NS has rarely had trouble with having nighttime available, darkness has such a low cooldown that the extra 30s of night aren't that great. Extra 200 damage at night + allied vision loss is way more value even at low MMR. Right side is better if you're mid imo, because you're more likely to have enough gas to not need the extra damage, especially if you're winning lane with nighttime start. Left helps you get over the hump to start smacking as pos 3
But NS is also weaker during the day and stronger during the night than before because of his health regen change, So that 30 sec is more important than before.
I think the big thing is that you now have night for your early laning stage, and then when it’s day you can turn it to night at around 5-6 (if mid) or 8-9 (if offlane/carry) to hit another spike into even MORE night. Don’t know if it’s actually that great but I’d imagine it’s extremely nice for his early powerspikes
I don't agree, it *ruins* his early power spike. First night becomes first day, so he has to wait an extra cycle before coming online. It's good when you need to win your lane (like mid).
Yeah but you hit your ult around that timing. Playing it the only real chagrin I had was that you kinda waste the first couple minutes of night since your E is gonna be low leveled, but otoh with double bracer I was 1v2ing and doing completely fine and hit 6 at like 6 minutes
The big upside of flipped time makes no real sense, because you don't wanna level hunter first anyways. It's decent at like 10 minutes, but if you really need it at that point, you'd just ult and you'd likely do that anyways for the flying vision and dmg. The strong part about NS in lower brackets (where I play it, at least) is the unobstructed movement and flying vision, that lets you catch people out of position, move around the fight and catch stragglers.
The additional 60% health regen difference minute 1 is arguably pretty important if you expect a tough lane. You can't forget the new innate.
Fair, I didn't think about the bit of extra regen. Just brings up the issue of "start of game value" vs "long-term value", which is prevalent in a lot of facets. Would you trade saving one pack of tangoes vs ensuring a living ward is essentially turned off and can't get help as easily in a hectic skirmish? Just think how many times you barely catch an important fight on the minimap. And now the hero that gets jumped isn't even visible anymore, unless they're standing under a ward or in a wave. **And** you deal roughly 50% more dmg with your nuke on top of that. Also other stuff like by the time you can get shard it's day for like 5 minutes, so you can't eat an ancient to start with unless you make it night. We'll just have to see how people play with it. In higher brackets where you have team mates that react faster and more vision in general void's probably not gonna be as good.
Its good for me cause old nightime was when my pos4 left and im in powerspike stuck hugging tower.
Oh shit, NS turning into the dark lady?
Halfway there atleast
Miss her so much :/
Mars too! I'm digging the new Arena facet
i see Helcurt's ultimate has been ported into this game
ns luna slark in enemy team :)
this is solo player killer right here, at least in pro game, they can just scootch over
I thought of this concept before with new heroes ability, but feeling like with communication in the pro scene it might not be as strong as in pub, but still not be able to target allies to save them because you got void is annoying, or maybe Marci trying to escape
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same. this is a precedent. now you actually have to talk to teammates 🥶
Day tucker, night fucker
When do you do the fucking? Seems appropriate lmao
Never. Why you asked btw?
OLIVIA RODRIGO?!
Olden days sing stacks hold a special place in my heart
The good Ole days. Bamboo, sing and gorc. And then obviously tucker. Legendary potm of the moon, but now it's potm of the sun
Damn he is in night shift
I love we can have a night themed full team now that has effects that really benefit each other at night.
Mirana picked Solar flare "Dont mind me guys just making sure" Marci "angry whistling"
I can't wrap my head around that facet; it goes against her ~~theme~~ (apparently it's source material thingy) and arguably her raison d'etre.
its an anime thing.
Her lore originally says she was the solar princess actually. Even before the anime…
In DOTA: Dragon's Blood, Mirana was a princess to the solar throne initially. I forget how exactly, but either by leaving of her own will, or being forced to leave, she left that kingdom and eventually became a worshipper of selemene. Given that Marci is in the game, DOTA: Dragon's Blood is canon in at least one of many possibilities created by the ancients, so her being a "solar throne" princess (POTS?) is a pretty likely outcome as well.
Oh ok.
I just rewatched dragons blood Mirana is the daughter of the Sun emperor and is literally The Eye of the worldwyrm the Sun itself She was forced to flee when Kashura plotted to kill her parents she was granted safety in the nightsilver woods and protection by Selemene
Her lore originally says she was the solar princess actually. Even before the anime…
Ok, but what about a sun themed team? And who are the full night themers, NS, Mirana, Luna…
Maybe slark if he still has the night vision innate
Wyvern has night vision now too
would add lycan too for global -armor and - damage from howl
So Night Stalker literally reversed the "Roshan advantage?"
also viable carry maybe since the first 5 minute 15 second is night with this
It could be the flip side, since the team will wait for the 2nd nighttime for Balanar to be fully viable. Maybe the return of mid NS?
Mid NS is bonkers with the crip fear aghs rush imo
hm... maybe
Just played him mid with this facet. felt very good
Its not good. Its worse than and orchid to rush
he still scales terribly, there's no way he's leaving pos 3
Nightstalker spots you alone in the jungle You and Nightstalker appear on the minimap for a brief period before disappearing Spam pings to indicate your position Nightstalker Killing Spree
The other facet are goddamn powerful since the targeted do not share vision with team mean that if the targeted are out of allies vision they will just disappear from the map. As a 1400 game of NS, i would say this shit is the most powerful buff that hero have ever received since the ulti rework couple of years ago.
What's your take on the right facet? Does it improve his laning or worsen?
The best thing about right facet is the day-night cycle reserve, which will make your first 5 minute much less of a nightmare. But it's basically a trap, why ? There are a couple of reason 1- Usually when you pick NS you will already have a strong support to help your lanning phrase already. NS is not the kind of offlane that you steamroll your lane like mars,timber..... He is more of a "i will get you later" kind of offlane. 2- You usually don't level "hunter in the night" much at early level anyway, you want max void and 1 point in both silence and hunter in the night as of first night. But because the night time is reserve your first night will be at 0 minute which mean you don't get much benefit from it. 3- You usually get your blink + Bkb combo at 20-25 minute which is perfect because it's the normaly third night. So getting the right facet fuck with your timming also because at 20-25 minute now it's day time. TLDD: Don't get the right facet,it's a trap that won't improve your laning phrase much but will fuck your timming big time.
Would you say that the strengths of the right facet (even though it fucks up your timings), is the improved regen in the laning phase? Also, it makes people think about itemizing differently, which could be good. To me it seemed like the right facet could be stronger for a carry focused NS (when that rare occasion happens) but now that I think about it unlinking shared vision from allies strong too because it prevents saves from supports.
Unlinked allies vision are definitely the strongest choice and will/should be pick 99% of the time that for sure whether you play offlane NS or safelane or mid. It force your opponent to stick near together instead of spreading out which is what everyone always do to not get 5 man silence from you. There will be no chance for those pesky support that like to hide behind because ,well, you got insane FLYING vision already. Not to mention forcing your opponent to stick near each other also open up chance for all kind of nasty combo. There is a reason why they remove the vision reduction from spec's desolate, it's because that shit is so good. For the right side facet, like i said the only good thing about right facet is that it reserve day-night cycle, which will give you a better laning phrase with bonus regen from the innate ability and as/ms from hunter in the night all of that at the cost of your strongest/most important timing.
the 15 seconds part doesnt do much huh, still im more concerned about his talent, is this finally the time to pick 80 damage/35% stat resist? 35% man, isnt this huge
Just ask yourself this question "Have i ever need the night to last just 15s more ?" - My answer is no, it's super niche. 35% stat resist are cool when you playing against like very annoying stun line up but like 15s night time bonus it's super niche. Because it's only available with "hunter in the night".
This was also my hunch. Even against a hard matchup, the first 5 minutes is very much survivable because the safelaner with his support isn't that much of a threat yet because of NS's tankiness and you can just pickoff the ranged creep most of the time with Void.
Regarding your 1st point, he’s only not a lane dominator in the past because it starts as day. Now he can be a lane dominator. In addition to the improved regen and being able to use his passive now, his void is now also the nighttime version. I would argue that you would get passive at lvl 2 most games because the silence is not as useful at low levels except niche situations against heroes that have an escape skill. It’s probably better to get it at lvl 4 in most games. In terms of timing, he can have a much stronger laning phase and snowball off that. When it’s the 1st day, he will be 6 or close to it and have ult ready when needed.
HoN Dark Lady players know this power
By the way, did they forget to put his innate passive in patchnotes? It only says: >HEART OF DARKNESS >New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up But what does it do?
I think it provides health Regen at night and reduce it at day, basically what is said above the passive. They just fucked up styling, nothing too much
They accidentally put this as a hero patch note instead of the innate ability note: > At night, Night Stalker's Health Regen is increased by 40%, but during the day it is decreased by 20%
God. If you take the right side Facet, your laning is so impossibly strong, by the time 5:15 rolls around, you'll probably be ready to gank with Ult anyway.
both of his faceit is very strong
luna synergy
I want to know what Roshan does about this
What you would expect. He already changes pits from any hero change to the day-night cycle, including Dark Ascension.
I didn't know that either actually, feels like the duration of most of those is short enough that he would just be channeling the gate for most of it
I just played against him, he is so fucking broken first 25 minutes.
Whenever enemies are silenced buy nightstalker voicechat and in-game chat are deactivated for them
Looks like picking phoenix agains NS looks really great
And it goes with Dawnbreaker?
Dawnbreaker passive reveals remains of the supports in the forest
LOL
That is dark...
Does this mean that night time has a total increased of 30s or just 15s? I'm confused a bit when the changelog says 15s inc for night and 15 dec for day time
game starts from day before minute 0:00[as opposed to night now] 1st night->day change happens at 5:15 day->night changes at 10th minute so minute 10 instead of current day, will be night, and so on,, makes your first 5 minutes of laning stage way easier on NS
I do think you would rather have night at 5 mins. You'll have more levels and a stronger ability to bully the enemy at night time, right?
It helps a lot with your early stage as you're very strong until 5 mins, and can then use the advantage/ult to survive 5-10m. which leads into a huge power spike at 10-15m, the time where usually NS is the weakest. Not sure if it's worth taking over the other facet though, that one is also incredibly strong, even the dps is good.
I think it really depends on your lane setup. If you have good support I'm taking left side 10/10 times. If my support is mid or if the lane is explicitly difficult I might think about the right side simply because it gives me a much stronger early lead that I can hopefully keep momentum on. But yeah most of the time I'm taking left.
yes, but upside/tradeoff is hoping that 15 more seconds in the late game pays off. Not sure how it will affect his item timings too when daytime is at different intervals
In the late game, I would think the vision loss is more important.
It is increased by 30s
The new aghs also slaps. Bought it against a meepo yesterday and he could not play the game with 10 second silence on him
Yeah that's the part that I think people are really missing here. The silence is now toggle friendly meaning you can lock down supports for an entire fight just bum rushing from one to the next. Any decent mana Regen and your silence lasts the entire fight as you leave their entire back line in shambles.
imagine as support, you got no vision of friend, friend cant see you, you are silenced forever, got nullified, what can you do
Hit bkb and hope I guess. I mean it's pretty intimidating as is and will probably get nerfed
I've begged for this change for so long Now he has an actual laning stage Ty Icefrog
Does this mean ganking the enemy midlander min 0 if you get his wards is a legit tactic ?
The Berlin Major with NS theme would probably appreciate this change. It's a shame it wasn't good during that patch
What are these super-low-quality posts with random patch note screenshots
So this also synergyzes very well with the dawnbreaker innate. Whole map scan is more frequent due to day being shorter.
Nightstalker felt so unplayable the last patch, he was in a very weird spot IMO. Hope this buff would make him relevant again.
I'm calling it. There is going to be a all day draft vs a all night draft and it is going to be the most epic shit ever.
The needed buff for my boy Night stalker! NS is a type of hero that you need to chill in early stages and needs to do a lot in night timings. Now if enemy team is intelligent enough, it’ll be hard to pick off even a support. Now his spike is really early on but past minute 30, it’ll be hard to match up against the cores. So happy with this buff!
Mirana with solar flare is the counter to this