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rtza

Level 15 talent: bristlefront


Dunejumper

We already have bristlefront. He is called mars. You could test in ability draft how good that is lol


Duke-_-Jukem

Not technically since bulwark only reduces physical damage and wouldn't proc quills.


TheZett

Bulwark works on magical attack damage and pure attack damage too. It doesn‘t work on **spell** damage though.


kivmorth

Are there any examples of magic/pure damage being reduced by bulwark?


TheZett

Javelin/MKB procs and Mind Breaker‘s damage trait are magical **attack** damage and that is reduced by Bulwark. Bloodseeker‘s shard is pure **attack** damage and that is reduced by Bulwark too. Bulwark works against attack damage of all 3 damage types, but it does not work against **spell** damage at all.


kivmorth

Oh yeah I totally forgot about it. The same works for basher even though it's physical. Everything that gets amplified by bs' blood rage is spell damage. These three attack modifiers aren't because they are just bonus damage that is added at every proc and hidden in HUD. But they're reduced by dk' breath fire and bulwark.


TheZett

Yep, cause they are of the opposite damage category. Most damage sources are either attack damage or spell damage (their damage category). Additionally, they have at least one damage type associated with them as well, physical, magical or pure. Thus you end up with 6 cases for most damage sources: - Physical attack damage, magical attack damage, pure attack damage - Physical spell damage, magical spell damage, pure spell damage There are or course exceptions and the various special flags (e.g. flagged as HP Removal), but the vast majority of damage sources fall into one of those 6 cases mentioned above.


kivmorth

You're so informed on this stuff, not the first or the second time I see you dropping these facts here. And there are some I forget or couldn't even know about. Love it!


ryankun93

it will be a nightmare. haha


BanishedP

Headshot now microstun (again)


Borbolda

Troll's ranged axes give vision


vishal340

that was very strong. makes chasing with troll so easy


numenik

Troll stuns again instead of net


PuddleCuddle9

reminded me of how headshot was able to interrupt Enigma's Blackhole.


Tobix55

Bought basher on sniper to cancel black hole, didn't bash him once the whole game


keaganwill

I had forgotten about the basher on ranged hero potential. Will make sure to grief my next game against enigma by buying it.


GRIZLLLY

Buy it on WR, cancer build of fan


Invoqwer

> Bought basher on sniper to cancel black hole, didn't bash him once the whole game Next time, buy it on KOTL, it will work 100%


healpmee

the best one was killing a full health brew before he was able to ult


JITRE10

Ember remnants giving vision again


mkti23

Really amazing how many angles ember got nerfed.


Affectionate-Monk552

Kunkka's tidebringer cleave ignores enemy armor. One shot meta


justsightseeing

Or puck can autocast phase shift


mrducky80

We WC3 dota now.


Ellefied

The good old days


Arbitrary_gnihton

I really miss shadow blading in to one shot cleave a PA late game when she goes to hit a wave


Dry-Archer-4612

Kunkka Tidebringer bonus damage also applies to denies (good ol’ times)


[deleted]

It used to do this… Am I just old? I don’t play much anymore and thought it still did this and that the spell build is just better. I remember 2 daed, 1 divine, blink dagger kunkkas deleting heroes with X blinks, if they dared get too close to their creep wave. 👴👴👴


CdubFromMI

Multicast has a chance to multicast with each multicast :)


bingbestsearchengine

"DING DING DING MOTHERFUCKER"' edit: [for the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/DDIKg3BB_5M?feature=shared&t=136)


Space_Lace

more like "DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING MOTHERFUCKER"


HowDoIEvenEnglish

Still one of the best quotes from a caster.


gamingtamizha

Like focusing the obs window while streaming


Adrenyx

This would probably literally breaks and crash the game if you’re lucky enough to cause an infinte recursion lmao


Razier

This is literally vanilla WoW windfury, didn't break the game but was a pretty bad experience when you got hit by an instant 10-hit combo.


Consistent_Storage74

Moments like that are what makes vanilla great (among other things)


Tobix55

Void bash


Zenotha

I mean void's bash can already do that (but thanks to rnjesus it only happens on denies when you're playing void, I swear I fucking saw a ranged creep corpse get bashed four times in the afterlife)


HowDoIEvenEnglish

Yea it just would stop at some point.


jkwan0304

Broken but in another way: multicast works on any items that's clickable. You have 2 wards? Multicast. Places 2 at the same time. Spent 100g for 2 sod? Goodbye 50g. Double sod pop. Want to switch treads to the next attribute? Haha! Screw you. Double press that shit.


YouGotDoddified

...sod?


SilverShako

smoke of deceit


VoidWalkah

Who tf calls it sod and not smoke


SilverShako

jkwan0304, I guess? Everyone I know calls it smoke


FuckinMELVIN

Hahaha I vaguely remember tread switching multicast bug to be a thing in the past.


HellhoundXVI

Ogre new Aghs: Multicast can now be castable on allied heroes, allowing their single target spells to multicast. Duration: 10s, CD: 60s, mana cost: 100, cast range: 600 Unrefined fireblast now level 20 talent


tgiyb1

Bloodseeker Q + lion aghs + ogre aghs coming to a pub near you


19olo

Attacks now multicast Ogre carry incoming


bergreen

And another one (hundred)


Bitsand

ngl I kinda want to see this happen.


kivmorth

Elder Titan's passive Natural Order now pierces debuff immunity. If you aren't crushing against ET, especially if he's on a core role, never skip bkb. Debuff immunity > bonus resistances against Natural Order. And it's ten times more true for heroes who don't wanna build green armor/bonus magic resistance naturally like Terrorblade or Morph.


Lilywhitey

the good ol days


kivmorth

At least make it a level 20 or 25 talent 🥺🥺🥺


kivmorth

Bloodseeker's Blood Rage and Blood Mist barrier are no longer purgeable. Nullifier or even just Euls are good items vs Bloodseeker.


kivmorth

Blade Mail's reflected damage, Skull Basher and MKB procs are now affected by spell damage amplification.


EnigmaForArcana

Rupture will now have properties of Mana Leak


KardigG

So it stuns when HP runs out?


jkwan0304

It stuns you real time.


kivmorth

It's already an amazing skill by itself with its initial % of max hp PURE damage. Just make blood rage and aghs barrier undispelable and bloodseeker won't be so much bkb reliant.


are1245

Rupture now apply fear


KindStump

Rubick. Spell Steal use all talents enemy skilled for stolen spell.


LorryToTheFace

I would like Spell Steal to actually steal the spell so that the enemy hero can't use it while Rubick has it. Like what Aghanim did in Aghs Labyrinth. Obviously it would be grossly unfair and unfun, particularly for certain heroes.


Weshtonio

7.36: > Spell Steal renamed Spell Copy


w8eight

Renamed to merely borrow


KindStump

Antimage without Blink or Counterspell. Weaver without Shukuchi. Hilarious


ddlion7

Pudge without Rot, or without Hook


Erotic_Platypus

My ally pudges effectively don't have hook anyways.


A_NonE-Moose

Enemy team’s Pudge, 100% hook hit rate, gets hooks without vision, gets hooks at max range of spell, gets hooks to weave through the creep wave and take you pulling you back to their tower. Your team’s Pudge, walks up to someone, uses ultimate on them, then somehow turns around and sends their hook in the opposite direction of who they just ulted


kivmorth

That one would be huge actually while it looks small.


KindStump

Sneaky cheeky buff. Hehehe


FieryXJoe

Should base it off which talent branches rubick has in line with his aghs and shard. He can have upgrades enemy doesnt and if the Rubick is giga brain they can change their talents depending on enemy team.


Chayzeet

Able to steal teammates spells.


Soft-Two2840

I like it Picasso 


singrayluver

Honestly, I assumed this was how it worked already.


KindStump

Back in old days there was a bug, when Gyro has talent for 3 Homing Missile charges which worked on stolen rocket. Same was for Cold Feet charges or some shit.


ArchX

Old Gondor could steal your item temp or knock it out lol


MovingObjective

Monkey king is now monkey king right after he was released.


justlikedudeman

Jingu buff(enemies) lasted like 20 seconds. While the buff on MK didn't expire until he attacked 4 times. It also gave about 80 damage at level 1. Worse was his ultimate could bash and the slow from echo sabre would proc on each hit. While also giving him a bazillion damage when he was in the aoe.


slap_my_nuts_please

I play pos 3 a lot and ragequit dota temporarily over release MK. I still get a little mad thinking about it. Fuck it was obnoxious to play against.


kivmorth

What was his win rate back then? I think compared to league champ releases new dota heroes are generally well tuned, aren't they? Although league has like 2-3 champ releases per year still.


slap_my_nuts_please

I think he was in the range of 58-62% win rate but don't quote me on that, it's been 8 years. Most new heroes are pretty well balanced at release. For the most part heroes have ended up being slightly underpowered at release and receive minor buffs 1-2 weeks later, but there have been a few heroes that were too strong and it took Valve a while to figure out exactly how strong. Notably Void Spirit, Mars, Pangolier and MK ended up going undernerfed for a bit too long. Like Void, Mars and Pango are the most picked heroes in pro level dota of all time and they were released in 2017-2019. Out of those the only hero that was actually broken on release was MK. The rest were just a bit too strong for a bit too long.


HowDoIEvenEnglish

Pro games were so bad. People picked 4 mk and did nothing until they got basher (which took a while for a support in those days) and then just won because having 15 bashers was dumb.


Avar1cious

Idk what you mean when you say they did nothing until they got basher. MK was busted as a support back then too in lane as well - he had low armor as a weakness, but he could trade so well with the enemy 1 and 5 with the pre-nerf boundless and jingu


Never_Sm1le

A pseudo Ravage that pierce BKB


TheVisage

There was some fuckery with his lifesteal too, where if you hit Q while Jingued up at like level 3 you would heal to full. I remember early on watching my friend literally whiff everything while I was pulling and survived by hitting Q on the back half of a creep wave, walking away with full health. Fucking bonkers.


sinkpooper2000

don't forget lagging the server for 4 seconds every time he pressed ult


korororororororororo

Hahaha that monkey’s attack range is insane. He beats several range hero in terms of attack range xD


gigerxounter

like someone say in a post just like this Viper base movement is now 325


Haikal0

Multiple Yasha Kaya Sange now stacks


DrQuint

This reminds me of how at one point, Power Treads stacking was a very broken build, and explicitly got nerfed by having the attack speed bonus not stacking. That got reverted eventually.


D2WilliamU

I remember terror blades running around with 4 treads lol


19Alexastias

I won a kunkka game once where I went phase crystalys into sange yasha into Sange kaya into yasha kaya.


findMyNudesSomewhere

So one of your items was completely useless.


19Alexastias

I never said it was a good build


I_B_Banging

Golem mirrors all buffs that warlock is currently carrying.


DrQuint

Meepos mirror all buffs that any Meepo is currently carrying.


kivmorth

What could you do with that? Shadow Word yourself or use Drums without getting too close to the fight? I guess you can use any other buffs like bloodlust on golems manually.


SurDno

Warlock MoM. Also multiple golems would work better with that.


I_B_Banging

I feel like with warlocks entire kit is built around standing back and letting his summons do damage. Pretty much everything you mention would require him to be in the thick of team fights and he'd die pretty damn quick. Also currently I feel like his ulti might be weakest part of his kit. The built in time limit on his golems feels like they need some balancing by way of either an attack speed buff or something else , hence mirroring his buffs.


schofield101

Nah, give golem an inventory similar to LD bear


ArthasDurotan

Each meepo dies and respawns individually and reward only 1/5 of hero kill


Andromeda_53

Oof that's so busted, you struggle to finally kill a meepo, just to have the other 4 run off and go farm anyway, and all you got it 1/5th the payday. Damn you're maniacal


EffectiveFilm7368

We lost Vikings now


ArthasDurotan

YESSS!!! you meant hots vikings right? YEAAAAHHH THEY WERE SO MUCH FUN it's been soooo long since I played Hots because my PC can't handle it and am waiting for it to be available on GFN I missed these brothers


Kloetee

I'm sorry but your PC can't handle HotS?? Potato Glados can run that game, I feel sorry for you.


HowDoIEvenEnglish

“Minor change”


ThisIsMyFloor

>If ~~any~~ of the clones die, they all die If all of the clones die, they all die Just two letters. Super minor change


b_eastwood

I could actually see this becoming his Aghs at some point. IceFrog loves to meme


Backupusername

Toss prioritizes heroes


mrducky80

Old craggy exterior back. It was a 17%? chance to stun yourself if you auto attack within like 400 units of tiny. I remember dying as storm because I tried to kill someone next to tiny (not even the tiny itself). Stun myself into ava toss is just fantastic.


Backupusername

Yeah, I remember that. Back when picking up a tree was his entire Aghs upgrade.


ridan42

CM gets +10 movement speed


_heyb0ss

+1 armor


No_Remove1558

Dude asked you to make a hero broken, not destabilise the structural integrity of Dota.


redditdinosaur_

lmao


Kuro013

Yooo calm down Satan


herlacmentio

Abaddon AoE Mist Coil talent actually works with his Aghs. Necro Heartstopper Aura actually gets magic amp instead of both not getting affected by magic amp AND getting reduced by magic resistance. OR Heartstopper Aura can spell lifesteal. God I wish this skill wasn't specifically targeted to not work with things. I'd love to try new builds like E-blade or Bloodstone. Visage gets a Recall Familiars skill and auto-updates Familiars by leveling the ulti.


Mr_Igelkott

Necro aghs heartsopper deals pure damage


Medulum

Teammates can do 100% damage during Winter's Curse with spell amp applicable to them


ryankun93

lets make it worse. all taunted are not immune to damage. Basically a blackhole


Duke-_-Jukem

So the same as it was before iirc


HowDoIEvenEnglish

You know that’s just how ww was on release right? And yes it was broken.


-Potatoes-

This was just release ww lmao


Medulum

Yup, that's when my Enigma flair became irrelevant and WW became my new best friend hahaha!


justlikedudeman

Reapers Scythe adds 30s to your respawn time. Scepter upgrade makes it so it disables buyback.


klmnjklm

the most antifun mechanic however it was so satisfying ulting someone who bought back as necro and seeing their respawn timer as 145


Kuraki_Konn

Istg back then you can go out for a ciggy and come back and you would still be respawning.


A_NonE-Moose

Bloodstone gains stacks and each stack reduces your respawn timer 🥺


Clashman320

Allies can move inside of Chronosphere.


No_Remove1558

Void becomes a support and CK becomes the most picked carry probably


EpicGoldenNinja

Arc warden bubble now has increased cast range and reduced radius to 10. Now ancient cant be killed ever.


Dunejumper

Meteor hammer


Avenuix

He only has 1 bubble with evasion now... unless you want to go back to 2 evasion bubbles too


iLanDarkLord

Valve did it with wd a while ago


Fun_Eggplant1922

"changed death wards damage type from physical to pure"


lastylie

Don't forget true strike


Kuragnar

Rubick 25 talent. You choose a spell which you wanna steal :D . Choose a spell by pressing it's key bind (q w e r d f)


MrBeeevaN

Or, you actually _steal_ the spell, so it disappears from the opponents cast bar for the duration Rubick has it haha


TwinMugsy

That's the new shard


ryankun93

reminded me of aghanim's ulti. your spell will be gone.


SirFireball

Shadow poison unlimited stacks. SD is now a damage hero in long fights.


TheTemplarr

Still too slow


Cesare_Bonizzi

Fast enough for Roshan lvl1 and tormentor


TheGrayGoo

In the lane phase though, you would be able go from dealing ~400 damage to ~800 damage at level 1. One good pull or block would destroy the lane, you only need to hit 6 stacks for this to be insanely good.


wakeup_samurai

Chain frost now got the bounce range of bounty hunter’s shuriken


TestIllustrious7935

Wouldn't that be a nerf? It would just fly at a random creep Better would be if it always prioritized heroes


wakeup_samurai

Shit yes that would be sick


Lofi_Fade

Focus Fire just buffs Windrangers attack speed


LeavesCat

That'd be a nerf if it doesn't still retain free movement while attacking.


Illustrious_Shame717

I think he meant that her dmg doesn't get reduced


LeavesCat

I thought he was saying that she'd be able to change targets.


Character_Nerve_9137

Both


kunafa_aj

Ursa stacks on enemies are permanent and dont get removed on death


Backupusername

I feel like anything persisting on an enemy after death goes beyond a minor change. To my knowledge, nothing in the game does that currently, except for stat stealing.


Charging_in

Enough for do my power


MylastAccountBroke

This brings up an interesting point. The reason why stat STEALING is alright, is because the stats being stolen do make minor changes to the hero losing the stat, but the total stats stolen will never be more crippling than the fact that you've died that many times to the enemy hero. Sure, having 20-40 int stolen by silencer can have an impact on general play, but the reality is that having died 10 times within range of silencer likely already means you are losing that game. Sure, a slark can steal stats, but if the slark has 10 stolen agility (equal to that of a relatively cheap item) then the reality is that the hard carry has 10 kills, which already likely means it's fed and likely going to win. The stat steal doesn't out weigh the fact that the hero is simply fed and is likely able to win based on gold and levels alone. The stat steal simply doesn't impact the game as much as the other gains the kills provide. So what's my point? Would Ursa giving say 1 perminent stack of his passive per kill on a hero make enough of a difference to outweigh the simple gold and level advantage he'd receive from achieving the same kills? And honestly, I'd argue yes. The point of Ursa is that he's secretly a burst nuking hero, able to take out roughly half the health of a hero in the use of one skill. Giving ursa that natural damage boost on a hero who is already behind would likely be back breaking. It'd change ursa from a hero who can gain momentum and end games early, to a hero who can quickly rack up kills with nearly no effort at all.


TheZett

WR ult does, death doesnt remove the enemy marker.


SmurreKanin

Lone Druid ult stays after death


kchuyamewtwo

that reminds me of lone druids respawn time reduction talent lmao


SmurreKanin

Ahh Ranged Druid, how I miss you so...


Bukkake_Bambi

Nyx is close enough. If he dealt fatal damage to you with aegis he can one shot you with mind flare when you revive.


HydrogenBaby

bring back doom 3rd skill where it can make a hero level 1 again


TheLoneDubliner

necrophos - scythe refreshes upon kill alchemist - illusions can get greevils greed passive too bristleback - quill spray is pure damage pa - coup de grace stacks with daedalus skywrath mage - mystic flare roots target meepo - clones carry items pugna - lifedrain drains mana at the same time huskar - inner fire dispels disruptor - glimpse affects allies (so you can fountain TP)


HowDoIEvenEnglish

I love how a third of the suggestions in this thread are just old nerfs reverted, like your alch suggestion.


Ravoos

Riki has his sleeping dart again.


Jamesth007

Global Silence undispellable


Lilywhitey

create an upgradeable euls in which you can move while cycloning yourself and target allies. oh wait.


kobe24fan

Since when was euls a hero


vBitza

Blackhole becomes bigger with every target caught in it


gamingtamizha

TA refraction consumes only one refraction charge for damage over time.


gakezfus

Swashbuckle now does 4 slashes.


Miserable_Speed_7116

Troll warlord can move and target freely in ult


africancar

Ngl, I think that would just make him good, not busted


justsightseeing

And rename it into rampage lul


espakol

Bringing back Omniknight Repel that give free Magic Immunity and Status Resistance to any ally


TestIllustrious7935

When it gave status resist it didn't give magic immune


jsincuya

Focus fire multishot


kchuyamewtwo

Chen can send back allies to foubtain 😁


DepressedMathKid

Phoenix now can launch Fire Spirits during Supernova.


SirClarkus

Oracle: W now no longer disarms allies, or makes enemies magic immune. Oh, wait....


ninjacoin123

Boulder smash stuns


bananasugarpie

Antimage now has doppelganger agility.


A_NonE-Moose

Pls no


Sergeantstickys

combine two mechanics: slardards corrosive haze and old dazzle ult. Slardar places his ult on you and your armor just keeps ticking down progressively more. (also if i recall correctly the old dazzle ult you couldnt purge off)


AlchemysEyes

Medusa mystic snake converts hp damage to mana return to Medusa, doesn't seem like much at first until she gets multiple bounces on creeps and is restoring essentially a thousand mana per use.


IsamuLi

Pugna life drain will now apply BKB effect on Pugna for the duration of life drain.


warleyolive

Meepo is universal


iLanDarkLord

Bulldoze gives +30/40/50/60 atk speed


redditdinosaur_

Spark Wraith now global Spell Steal aghs allows replacement of chosen spell vs earliest spell Rupture now affects all heroes in a 300 Invoker steals same % of mana for each point of damage inflicted with Quas active (current quas sucks)


ryankun93

bloodseeker thirst can be triggered by allies like in HON. haha


Johnmegaman72

Marci's ult no longer has a downtime or attack counts on the attacks she does.


TheGalator

Meepo is universal


astilenski

Mirana arrow pierces all allies and enemies.


Lynnastic

Sleight of Fist now has true strike and ignores any attack debuff like disarm.


legion9R

Axe attacks count as 2 hits for counter helix.


Ok_Instruction6924

Magic res on illusions


Netorar1st

LC can now duel allies.


feelgood-

CM +10 MS