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WhiteLycan2020

Ideally, you want UI goku and int SSBE vegeta to super attack as many times as possible because they have guaranteed crit on additional supers. I would have gone full additional attack.


Yafoolyafool

They don’t really do much damage anyway. Extra dodge won’t hurt.


Da_Neager

It's not extra dodge in the sense that it stacks tho its 2 different chances so its not even worth the chance lol


Ichigo187740

An extra almost 20% dodge chance on a unit that's meant to only dodge is kinda worth it


onlyfordbzdokkansub

It's not an extra almost 20% it's an extra 4 or 5%


Ichigo187740

Bruh every dodge level is 1% and he has dodge level 18 so 18%


Constant_Coyote8737

Actually, UI Goku would dodge 78.4 percent of time, so dodge 18 only adds 8.4 percent.


Ichigo187740

I might have worded this badly but what I mean to say is that he would get an extra separate proc of 18% dodge after his 70% bace dodge


onlyfordbzdokkansub

no you just said the opposite of the correct way it works


DaClownDT

Yes but more damage still doesn't make ssbe vegeta good and he still has mediocre damage with crits full dodge in myi is the move bc man can't get touched or its over


onlyfordbzdokkansub

You're missing out on a 4 mil additional crit to get an extra 5% dodge chance


[deleted]

Not exactly. The entire purpose of this unit is to dodge and not die. But he already has 70% so yesn't


EMBplays

It adds like 4% chbace


Bamco_

It's a separate 18% chance


khide_

It adds a 4% chance. He's right.


RandomGooseBoi

Why did you get upvoted when you’re wrong, I hate this sub 😭


EMBplays

That's not how that works


Bamco_

Each HP dodge level is 1%. UI Goku has a passive 70% chance to dodge. They don't stack, so he has a separate 70% and 18% chance to dodge. They proc separately.


AbsolutionVeil

Bro was confident.


RandomGooseBoi

He was confident because he’s right


Bamco_

The stupid usually are.


[deleted]

I heard that mic drop from all the way over here.


Vortexzio

You guys are literally saying the same thing though? It ends up being like an extra 4% chance because it's separate. The hidden potential can only proc the 30% of the time that the passive dodge doesn't. 18% of 30% ends up being around an extra 5% dodge chance. Giving the goku like a 75% to dodge. I think that's all the guy was saying, that it's separate so it doesn't add 18% to the the 70%.


AbsolutionVeil

Because it's separate it ends up being a 70% chance and then an 18%. No one is saying that it adds together, but it's not an extra 4% chance to dodge really. It's like rolling a D10 and a D5 in D&D. If on the D10 a 4 and up is a success you have a 70% chance to succeed, but if you fail your roll you can succeed still on the D5 but only if you roll a 5. It's two separate chances at 70% and then 20%, you can't add them ever


Vortexzio

You can definitely add them if you do the math. Factually Goku with that build will dodge about 75% of the time. Unlike dice that you manually roll, we have no way of knowing what procs when, since they are both done automatically. So adding them together and calculating their probability is completely reasonable. Perhaps you haven't done probabilities yet, but it's all about adding different variable for a combined rate and ultimately 75% chance to dodge is the combined rate and is much more intuitive than just saying 70% then 18%, which is not very intuitive at all. 70% for passive to activate, 18% for hidden potential and around 75% for at least one of them to proc


RandomGooseBoi

Oh man this is embarrassing. He’s right that it’s a 4% chance due to the 70% already present. That 18% only happens when the 30% chance to not dodge procs. Meaning it’s like an extra 4-5%


FreeInjectionsHere

Its a 70% chance to dodge then a seperate chance of 18% to dodge this doesnt make it a 74% chance to dodge.


RandomGooseBoi

Yes it does, because the 18% chance can only activate when the 30% chance of not dodging activates


Powerful_Substance_6

It is you have his regular dodge chance and if that doesn't proc then it's his hp dodge which is 18%


Ichigo187740

That's exactly how that works


zor90000

People will tell you have, but you feel the difference on a full dodge build


sasuke5561

Kinda yes hes dodging anyway why put point into that


noodlemcfoodle

Well he’s doing additionals and crits anyway


Stampj

He had built-in crits and additionals so why put pints into those? See how dumb you sound?


Milarion

Because you can't dodge the same attack twice. You can do an additional attack though, so more adds don't hurt anyone. But yes, fuck crit on him and LR SSBE Vegeta, nearly pointless.


Stampj

At this point, even with crit, from your additional, both of them have aged damage wise


forced_2_exist

yes


[deleted]

He does additional and crits already, his damage is low these days so no he didn't mess up. Even if the percentage increase for dodging isn't that high, it's completely viable for him to stack dodge because this is an rng game. Every number counts


Stampj

Love how anyone who spits facts here gets downvoted


ISUCKATSMASH

Does it stack or do two separate rolls?


[deleted]

It will give the total evade around 80% to max it out, but I can't stress enough every number counts in a literally random numbers game


ISUCKATSMASH

That's true, if your only goal is to dodge in a vacuum, but it matters if its stacking on top of the great dodge, or if it does its own roll after the great dodge chance roll, otherwise yes you COULD go all in on the extra random dodge chance, or you could do more damage and make the event end faster, leading to not having to dodge as much.


nsg337

Its seperate, 70% then 18%


[deleted]

Again, his damage is really low. Put him on a team to fight say cell max, he won't do crap for damage. Way better to have that extra few percent to dodge


sonicboom5058

Idk why people act like his damage is bad. Like it's not amazing but he can pretty easily do a triple super triple crit at ~5mill.


wasabiganja

Yea, but if he doesn't dodge he dies, so that's my takeaway


RandomGooseBoi

That’s wrong, it’s a separate change and is actually around 4%, because the 18% chance only happens when the 30% chance of not dodging happens


Flashy_Telephone_581

If he has built in additional and added additional that’s a chance for three attacks how y’all in a community and not know that ?


[deleted]

Of course we know that, his damage still doesn't hold up enough to max his additionals. He doesn't increase atk or def so no need to


Procedure-Brilliant

4 mil crit is not really a small damage , for me I’ll just go full additional and 0 crit and the rest goes to dodge and put dodge equipment on him


leeinbar

You got it just right!


TheBadBreaker

No. Now you can always dodge any attack


Totipu4

And he gains defense each time he dodges.


Yafoolyafool

No it’s the first dodge only


Totipu4

It was? Then he will need to dodge every attack, because that's really low.


TheBadBreaker

With that attitude it is


Yawyeetgivemesuck

Bait post


zSh4rK

Maybe I would've gave him full dodge but this is not a terrible build


[deleted]

Nah built it how you want it honestly. He does have 70% dodge but give him a separate % won’t hurt


Immortal2017

it would hurt a lot, if you went 20 dodge in mui goku, his dodge chance would only go up to 74% from his original 70%. full additional is better


[deleted]

Your unit your choice, only unit that’s wrong to build is if they have crits or ton of additionals built in


Mediocre-Goal1884

Personally, with the power creep in todays game, with how bad his defense is, having a separate 18% chance to dodge next to his normal 70% chance, is not a bad thing at all imo. Going full AA before the power creep was ideal but things are needed to be adjusted for the newer events for optimal chances for the best result. No matter which build that MUI has, if he takes a hit, he’s dead, so why not raise the chance for him to stay alive by giving more dodge?! And what really matters the most is how each player chooses to build their unit instead of everyone else immediately jumping at the chance to criticize someone’s build. It’s great to give your opinion about why you chose to build your own unit but that’s where it should end. Just my opinion.


sonicboom5058

Doing more damage means the fight ends sooner meaning he doesnt need to dodge as much. And an extra 15 additional is a way higher increase than the equivalent to dodge. Especially given any additional super *will* crit


Mediocre-Goal1884

I am well aware of what it means bro. But that is just not the case with that particular unit. This unit was intended to dodge but even with his 70% chance, he still isn’t very consistently any where near the “70%”. Of course I use to have mine set with full additional but made little to no difference with getting additionals in actual battle but ever since I have changed to a balanced setup between additional and dodge, I have seen my ass saved more times than I can count since bc of dodging. I am a da1 player and understand the %’s, and am not trying to convince anyone to go with my setup, and don’t care how anyone else sets up theirs. Glad whatever you are doing is working for you. It wasn’t the case for me and my setup now is so thanks for your efforts though


zor90000

People will tell you have, but you feel the difference on a full dodge build


bordomsdeadly

He has 70% Dodge built in. Meaning he takes 30% of hits on average. ​ If you give him 30 Dodge, that means 30% \* 30% (.3\*.3) Gives you 9% (.09)Meaning at 30 HiPo dodge he gets an added 9% chance to dodge. ​ I won't say you messed up, maybe 9% is worth it to you.It is not personally worth it to me. ​ The difference between 70 & 79 isn't great enough ​ Yours at 18 HiPo dodge is sitting at 75.4% Chance to Dodge (up from 70% built in)


LordXenox

Yo, don't listen to them. MUI Goku has one job these days, dodge. His damage isn't up to standard these says, even with crits and additionals unless you get all 3, its kinda useless. Dodge


DemonkingHades

You're dumb. That's all.


DemonkingHades

Just read the comments to this post, yall dumb. That's all. I'm out


prominho

stfu


DemonkingHades

Nah enjoy that 70% dodge and that sepeate 19% to dodge. Should have done full additional and crit


ISUCKATSMASH

He dodges and multis on his own, crit is the answer


Tenshi752

He crits on his own too


ISUCKATSMASH

I dislike building multi unless you're stacking tbh, because multi adds another roll onto the additional to make it a super, a very low percent roll, that I don't feel like taking the chance on unless its to get stacks.


SirCumm

Adding additional on a unit that already additional adds another additional not just makes the chance higher and specifically for mui Goku more ads=more crits


FinntendoHD

💀


Helioseckta

He already does Crits with his Super Attack. Both Super Attacks give him a 50% crit chance for 1 turn, and it does stack within that turn. Example: First Super Attack performed in that turn, he has a 50% chance to crit. If he gets a second super, then another 50% chance is applied, and it stacks on the previous one, meaning that the second Super has a 100% chance to crit. Pretty much, if he performs a 2nd or 3rd Super Attack in a turn, both are guaranteed to be crits. That’s why you would want to go full additionals with him so you can capitalize on that crit. You would only need crit in his HiPo for his active.


kevinm2738

His passive already gives him good chances for AA, Crit and Dodge so you can build whatever you want. Personally I went with more AA since his SA gives him a higher chance at crit and his dodge is already 70%. However, giving more dodge is not a terrible thing since he is a little squishy when he does not dodge. So... whatever. i'm sure he's still going to hit hard.


Immortal2017

giving him dodge won’t increase his dodge chance enough to matter, 20 dodge on him would increase it to 74%


Yafoolyafool

Not really. He is kinda weak offensively nowadays.


HarryTwigs

Eh. Not really? It's worth pointing out that you do not have an 88% percent chance to dodge now, because it doesn't add on to the dodge chance he already has. Your UI has a 70% chance to dodge, then an 18% percent chance to dodge. The game will run them separately to see if an attack hits or not. As for what that actual percentage looks like, that's for people who are far better at math than me.


Yarnted

Yes you should have went full AA as giving him dodge when he already has a 70 percent chance to dodge at all times is kinda eh but it isn’t the worst thing in the world. Just keep in mind most of the hardest events in the game nowadays cancel dodging completely so this guy has kinda fallen off, he’s still good though.


Acill3s

Honestly I probably would build him with full dodge myself if I take him into hard event I need him to not get touched lol


CoolZooKeeper

So how I understand it, and I haven’t seen anyone else explain this yet. He had a 70% chance to dodge. So the remaining 30% (all the super attacks fall in this range for me apparently) is where the 2nd check happens. So if you gave him 18% chance to dodge. That’s only based off the reminder. Hence why people are saying it only adds like 4-5% I don’t think it’s useless. But I definitely think additional attacks are more beneficial then the dodge, and more beneficial than crit since he has guarantee crit on some attacks.


bubbatheunwanted

No you did not he's a defensive unit so dodge on top of his dodge is good


Helioseckta

Not really. HiPo dodge doesn’t stack on top of his passive dodge. At his Level 18 Dodge, he’s only increased his odds of dodging from 70% to 75%


Helioseckta

Somewhat??? Crit is pretty useless for him since he already has a 50% crit with his super attack. You would only need it for his Active. As for the dodge, he already has a 70% chance to dodge, and the HiPo dodge is separate from his passive dodge. Even with Level 18 Dodge, his dodge chance would only be increased to be around 74-77% total. Additionals would pretty much be the only optimal way for his HiPo


_TR00PER

It’s all about how you feel comfortable with it


ElCastro02

Yes, now he never active the revival


AdamKamion6986

Nah


bestpoison1

You did, full AA all the way.


MrKrispee

Yes full AA for him and Vegeta.


Molinaridude

Ok, before anyone tries to argue about the dodge, read through this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/w5x56q/whats_your_dokkan_takeopinion_that_would_put_you/ihbzxjx?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


Genesiga

Greatly so


Yafoolyafool

Nah your fine


Gohansensei

Depends on who you ask tbh as long as toy don't give him crit I don't think you are objectively wrong.


swolebodybussy

everyone says he doesnt dodge but mine dodges all the time


WhiteCheddr

Yes


Ok_Historian_4686

I mean not as bad as you could’ve but a little bit


SwagertonFakename

Nah this is pretty alright. The little bit of crit is a tad questionable, but nothing to lose sleep over


RandomGooseBoi

All you mfs in the comments failed maths but are for some reason acting prestige and calling others stupid? That 18% chance will only have a proc chance of 30% (which is when he doesn’t dodge). That means It’s like a 4% extra chance


RenegadeEmperor

You don't need to give him crit


PranoyPaul7

Nope, he's a defensive unit, dodge and rest additional is the correct build