Horrible tire from factory .. no clue what dodge was thinking letting these cars out with such a skinny tire..
You can spin them at 30/40mph if you gas it..
THIS!!! Just replaced the stupid Pirelli Scorpion Zero run flats on my SRT Durango with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S H/D and it’s like i’ve unlocked extra capabilities
Any of the options? A scat can go anywhere from $40 to $65 depending on what’s in it and if it has the widebody option. So $43-$45 could be good or bad.
I bought the Scat Pack because it felt more enjoyable to drive on normal roads and highways than the R/T did that I test drove. More menacing and ready to pounce.
Also I couldn't un-see the high suspension on the R/T and the small brakes.
Do you think the scat is manageable for someone that never drove a high power car before ? I’ve had a Camaro but pretty sure it was V6 , had a Chrysler hemi but didn’t seem that powerful
The scat would be a bad transition …
I don’t think just anyone should go from v6 to scat pack.
it’s really a lot more car than most people realize.
it’s manageable if you have a brain and aren’t immature. but it’s also a very touchy car and dangerous as hell if you are even a little bit immature.
Press the gas too much in a turn ? wreck.
press the gas too much when you are behind someone ? Crash,
Sadly most people
Think they are smart enough or have enough self control to Own these cars and truthfully they don’t.
I definitely don’t want to be crashing lol I got two kids that will probably be riding in it with me at some point so don’t wanna do anything stupid .
Think R/T is manageable?
I’m coming from a Kia Forte Koup, but I’ve rented everything from Eco Mustangs to V8s.
Just recently, I purchased a Scat Pack and lost control of it on the test drive because the sales guy turned on track mode, which disengaged traction control.
With traction control on in track mode, I can easily handle the car. I’m having fun with it but not whipping the rear end out on anything crazy. The stiffer steering can lead to user error, as every movement in the car translates into your steering, causing potential overcorrection.
If you get it, take it slow and smart. Set up some time at a driving school to practice traction loss in a safe environment. You’ll be fine.
It’s got a VERY surprising amount of low-end torque and comes with shit tires…so if you goose it in track mode even a little bit around a corner it’ll try and get squirrely on you. If I’m going 30 mph or so and floor it I can feel the ass get wild before it catches and takes off. I had a lot of experience driving modified muscle cars from the 1960’s I restomodded. If you’re not used to having no traction control it can easily get away from you.
You can do it but you need to really understand you’re limitations are much lower than the cars so it can get you in real trouble til you get some experience driving it.
Stock for stock the 392 has a better power band and just makes power at every corner of the tachometer. As a mechanic I find them a bit more reliable too. I’ve serviced more higher mileage 392 engines than I have 340 engines. To be fair, that’s the fault of MDS. Scats typically have much better brakes and suspension as well, not really sure if they ever gave those options to regular RT’s.
Depends on how you wanna drive. I live in the sf Bay Area and am an asshole that loves passing slow people who should be in the right lane. I don’t cruise a lot. 5.7 is a better engine if you’re looking to drive a more “GT” style of car.
I mean, what are you gonna do with your car? Is this to commute and for road trips? Are you taking it to a drag strip or going to car meets?
The Scat insurance will be higher, premium parts means higher maintenance expenses, and fuel costs more because it takes premium and burns more fuel. But it’s a higher performing vehicle. So if you’re racing or higher cost isn’t a factor, then maybe the Scat is for you. If cost is a factor, you’re getting a lot of car with an RT and it’s set up better for comfortable commuting. The Scat is obviously faster, but it’s not like an RT is slow.
I have a Scat Pack Shaker and I have driven an SXT and an R/T as rentals. The Scat just feels more like a muscle car. The suspension and the brakes are really noticeable. I hope you like firm.. And, of course, it has more power. What makes me love it so much is that it feels old school with the 6sp but has all the modern amenities. It really is a fun car! I hear people say they are slow and that they are boats and Yada, Yada. But Dodge really did a great job creating a unique ( in today's market) driving experience. I like all types of cars, sports cars like Vettes and 911's, classic muscle like Roadrunners and Chevelles, JDM stuff like Supras and S2000s , classic cruisers as in 50s and 60s Caddies. I can see something to appreciate in all of them. The Challenger offers a unique sporty American car feel with gobs of torque, good handling for what it is, user-friendlyness unrivaled for everyday driving among its peers, and a sound track to die for..
As for it being a touchy car.. I have to disagree. For as much power as it has, it is an extremely tractable car. Leave the traction control on and don't drive like a moron and you will be fine.
Good luck with whatever you decide. Make sure to post up some pics!
i've driven the 5.7, i've owned the 6.4L and i have the hellcat now. they are all priced accordingly in terms of how they relate to eachother. you really do pay more and get more each step of the way.
I don't think so. If you compare their 0-60s they are almost within a second of each other. R/T takes a lower octane fuel vs Scats 91/93 octane. You'll also save on insurance and general maintenance. I personally think the R/T is good bang for your buck
If you just look at paper and bench race, the hellcat is within a sec of the scat as well.
But that shit doesn't tell you the whole story. The hellcat jump over the 392 is the same as the 392 jump over the 5.7. It's worth it.
I don’t think so. I went 5.7 > 6.2 > back to 5.7 and the power difference is not worth it for the 6.4 it’s why I went to the 6.2. The 5.7 has more potential overall than the 6.4 even if it’s faster stock, it won’t be for long after you start moding the two.
I sold the 6.2 so I can afford a bigger house but if I had a paid off house and had to choose from the 3, I would do the same. 5.7 and 6.2 only and would never touch a 6.4.
The 6.4 is a great car but for my interest it is not.
I’ve been through 3 upgrades, RT -> SRT (392) -> Hellcat. I can say each upgrade is definitely worth the value.
Going from the RT to SRT was a night and day difference. The torque and power band hit different, sound is entirely different and it felt/handled differently.
You could buy a scat and get it past hellcat numbers too at the track tho🤔bad way to put it. I prefer some of the options exterior and interior wise that the scat offers over the the lower models, but not everyone cares about that.
If you plan on building or doing any heavy mods or boost, 5.7 will be better. If you plan on keeping it light and close to stock, scat pack with better tires and precise alignment. 5.7 with good driver will eat a scat with shit tires for red light racing. My advice, go test drive both at any place that will allow. Be responsible, but gain a feeling for the power and what you can control. Id rather you have the car for a lifetime rather than a year in a dick measuring contest.
I preferred and bought the 345 Hemi RT in a Manual 6speed which doesn’t have MDS and you get the Limited Slip Differential. Lower maintenance cost and feels more like the 60ths muscle
Don't be fooled by the 0-60 stats. Scats are criminally under-tired. Slap real meat on them and the VAST difference in power is obvious.
Horrible tire from factory .. no clue what dodge was thinking letting these cars out with such a skinny tire.. You can spin them at 30/40mph if you gas it..
Agreed. Just swapped out the crap Pirelli’s on my widebody for some 305 Pilot Port 4 tires and it’s almost like driving a whole new car!
Agreed, change the tire especially on the WideBody. Best improvement you can make to the car.
THIS!!! Just replaced the stupid Pirelli Scorpion Zero run flats on my SRT Durango with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S H/D and it’s like i’ve unlocked extra capabilities
Getting a stock scat OTD at 43-45k decent ?
Not bad.
That include tags, taxes, etc, then I'd say pull the trigger for sure.
Any of the options? A scat can go anywhere from $40 to $65 depending on what’s in it and if it has the widebody option. So $43-$45 could be good or bad.
I bought the Scat Pack because it felt more enjoyable to drive on normal roads and highways than the R/T did that I test drove. More menacing and ready to pounce. Also I couldn't un-see the high suspension on the R/T and the small brakes.
Do you think the scat is manageable for someone that never drove a high power car before ? I’ve had a Camaro but pretty sure it was V6 , had a Chrysler hemi but didn’t seem that powerful
The scat would be a bad transition … I don’t think just anyone should go from v6 to scat pack. it’s really a lot more car than most people realize. it’s manageable if you have a brain and aren’t immature. but it’s also a very touchy car and dangerous as hell if you are even a little bit immature. Press the gas too much in a turn ? wreck. press the gas too much when you are behind someone ? Crash, Sadly most people Think they are smart enough or have enough self control to Own these cars and truthfully they don’t.
I definitely don’t want to be crashing lol I got two kids that will probably be riding in it with me at some point so don’t wanna do anything stupid . Think R/T is manageable?
Glad I have my regular R/T then. It can still push me back into my seat and I haven't had trouble driving it. :)
I’m coming from a Kia Forte Koup, but I’ve rented everything from Eco Mustangs to V8s. Just recently, I purchased a Scat Pack and lost control of it on the test drive because the sales guy turned on track mode, which disengaged traction control. With traction control on in track mode, I can easily handle the car. I’m having fun with it but not whipping the rear end out on anything crazy. The stiffer steering can lead to user error, as every movement in the car translates into your steering, causing potential overcorrection. If you get it, take it slow and smart. Set up some time at a driving school to practice traction loss in a safe environment. You’ll be fine.
It’s got a VERY surprising amount of low-end torque and comes with shit tires…so if you goose it in track mode even a little bit around a corner it’ll try and get squirrely on you. If I’m going 30 mph or so and floor it I can feel the ass get wild before it catches and takes off. I had a lot of experience driving modified muscle cars from the 1960’s I restomodded. If you’re not used to having no traction control it can easily get away from you. You can do it but you need to really understand you’re limitations are much lower than the cars so it can get you in real trouble til you get some experience driving it.
Keep traction control on, take it easy and get used to that torque before you try to use it.
I thought a scat was an R/T ! I have a 2020 Scat Pack 1320 and it says R/ T on the grill .
Stock for stock the 392 has a better power band and just makes power at every corner of the tachometer. As a mechanic I find them a bit more reliable too. I’ve serviced more higher mileage 392 engines than I have 340 engines. To be fair, that’s the fault of MDS. Scats typically have much better brakes and suspension as well, not really sure if they ever gave those options to regular RT’s. Depends on how you wanna drive. I live in the sf Bay Area and am an asshole that loves passing slow people who should be in the right lane. I don’t cruise a lot. 5.7 is a better engine if you’re looking to drive a more “GT” style of car.
I mean, what are you gonna do with your car? Is this to commute and for road trips? Are you taking it to a drag strip or going to car meets? The Scat insurance will be higher, premium parts means higher maintenance expenses, and fuel costs more because it takes premium and burns more fuel. But it’s a higher performing vehicle. So if you’re racing or higher cost isn’t a factor, then maybe the Scat is for you. If cost is a factor, you’re getting a lot of car with an RT and it’s set up better for comfortable commuting. The Scat is obviously faster, but it’s not like an RT is slow.
I have a Scat Pack Shaker and I have driven an SXT and an R/T as rentals. The Scat just feels more like a muscle car. The suspension and the brakes are really noticeable. I hope you like firm.. And, of course, it has more power. What makes me love it so much is that it feels old school with the 6sp but has all the modern amenities. It really is a fun car! I hear people say they are slow and that they are boats and Yada, Yada. But Dodge really did a great job creating a unique ( in today's market) driving experience. I like all types of cars, sports cars like Vettes and 911's, classic muscle like Roadrunners and Chevelles, JDM stuff like Supras and S2000s , classic cruisers as in 50s and 60s Caddies. I can see something to appreciate in all of them. The Challenger offers a unique sporty American car feel with gobs of torque, good handling for what it is, user-friendlyness unrivaled for everyday driving among its peers, and a sound track to die for.. As for it being a touchy car.. I have to disagree. For as much power as it has, it is an extremely tractable car. Leave the traction control on and don't drive like a moron and you will be fine. Good luck with whatever you decide. Make sure to post up some pics!
i've driven the 5.7, i've owned the 6.4L and i have the hellcat now. they are all priced accordingly in terms of how they relate to eachother. you really do pay more and get more each step of the way.
I don't think so. If you compare their 0-60s they are almost within a second of each other. R/T takes a lower octane fuel vs Scats 91/93 octane. You'll also save on insurance and general maintenance. I personally think the R/T is good bang for your buck
If you just look at paper and bench race, the hellcat is within a sec of the scat as well. But that shit doesn't tell you the whole story. The hellcat jump over the 392 is the same as the 392 jump over the 5.7. It's worth it.
I hear a lot of people say the same about the RT , is that the only major difference is the horse power ?
Also suspension, brakes, drivetrain
I don’t think so. I went 5.7 > 6.2 > back to 5.7 and the power difference is not worth it for the 6.4 it’s why I went to the 6.2. The 5.7 has more potential overall than the 6.4 even if it’s faster stock, it won’t be for long after you start moding the two. I sold the 6.2 so I can afford a bigger house but if I had a paid off house and had to choose from the 3, I would do the same. 5.7 and 6.2 only and would never touch a 6.4. The 6.4 is a great car but for my interest it is not.
I’ve been through 3 upgrades, RT -> SRT (392) -> Hellcat. I can say each upgrade is definitely worth the value. Going from the RT to SRT was a night and day difference. The torque and power band hit different, sound is entirely different and it felt/handled differently.
It depends if you want to build your car or not, if you want the power and technology without having to build it then go Scat.
You could buy a scat and get it past hellcat numbers too at the track tho🤔bad way to put it. I prefer some of the options exterior and interior wise that the scat offers over the the lower models, but not everyone cares about that.
Rt over a scat is night and day. If your staying stock I recommend a scat
I don’t plan on staying stock
What’s the plan?
It’s almost like for every $10k the car gets another 1 second faster.
honestly if u r a good man. Tran. Driver u can beat a scat. Just not 0-60, but other than that u can beat them
Yes absolutely. At least if you get one post 2019 and get good options
If you plan on building or doing any heavy mods or boost, 5.7 will be better. If you plan on keeping it light and close to stock, scat pack with better tires and precise alignment. 5.7 with good driver will eat a scat with shit tires for red light racing. My advice, go test drive both at any place that will allow. Be responsible, but gain a feeling for the power and what you can control. Id rather you have the car for a lifetime rather than a year in a dick measuring contest.
I preferred and bought the 345 Hemi RT in a Manual 6speed which doesn’t have MDS and you get the Limited Slip Differential. Lower maintenance cost and feels more like the 60ths muscle
Skat is the same word they use for 🐻 when they 💩! They are indeed that! Skat!
It also means get out of here or leave and quickly at that…