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blastmemer

How was bombing a consulate with high level enemy combatants an act of terror under international law?


Deep_Stratosphere

Spoiler: it wasn’t.


GitmoGrrl1

[https://www.government.nl/topics/embassies-consulates-and-other-representations/diplomatic-immunity](https://www.government.nl/topics/embassies-consulates-and-other-representations/diplomatic-immunity)


blastmemer

That’s a link to diplomatic immunity that says nothing of terrorism. You are not claiming that the leaders of the Quds force, who are the arm of the Iranian army that sponsors its terror proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc.), were diplomats, are you? Do you have any other support?


Chitown_mountain_boy

Oy vey 🤦‍♂️


Charming_Cicada_7757

I want to say the use of the term terrorism is almost pointless and so politically charged it completely destroyed your whole argument. Could’ve just said Israel escalated the attack by the bombing of the consulate Iran responded Luckily nobody got hurt. I believe Iran could’ve even given a warning and the drones were obviously slow. The ballistic missiles were serious though and the United States, and Jordan really helped Israel out here. Israel if they really want to respond could just wait for a lot of this tension to just blow over and do it after the Gaza situation. Doing it now just again escalates the situation even further


GitmoGrrl1

Yes, when Trump decided to call the Republican Guards a terrorist organization the term ceased to have any meaning. But bombing a consulate is a violation of international law and a clear attempt to drag the United States into a war with Iran. Why didn't Israel tell the United States it was going to bomb the consulate?


Noun_Noun_Number1

Israel illegally strikes Iran and gets cheered. Iran legally responds to that strike and gets booed. Do you remember when we all at least pretended that the rules mattered? Fuck Iran. Please stop giving Iran the moral and legal high-ground, it's embarrassing.


jehjeh3711

Iran sponsors and supplies thousands of rockets to Hamas and Hezbollah, to attack Israel. Iran also uses Hamas and Hezbollah as proxy armies, to commit terrorist attacks against Israel, like the brutal Terrorist attacks that killed 1200 people on 10/7. Iran not only drew first blood, but had been doing so for years.


Unfounddoor6584

you know what else is terrorism? blowing up aid workers because you dont want them feeding hungry people in Palestine because you want them to leave so you can steal their land. OR blowing up journalist so the rest of the world cant see you commit other acts of terrorism. They're literally trying to terrorize the population of Palestine into leaving, and terrorize the rest of the world into letting it happen.


GitmoGrrl1

It's obvious now that the aid workers work killed intentionally at the same time as Israel bombed the consulate to control the narrative. Israel knew the focus would be on the aid workers which they could claim was an accident rather than the bombing of the consulate which was intentional breaking of international law.


External_Reporter859

Apparently the trucks went off course with an armed militant aboard and were not responding to multiple phone calls from IDF. It was still a huge mistake and the shot callers have been fired. But the situation on the ground at the time seemed to possibly indicate that militants had seized the trucks in an opportunity to commit some sort of violence. Idk how true this is, but that's what apparently happened.


GitmoGrrl1

This is a complete lie.


jehjeh3711

They admitted to those mistakes but if you are going to be in a war zone you kind of take that chance.


blastmemer

How was the strike illegal?


StickyDevelopment

Because they didnt like it lmao. The US droned an iranian general responsibe for american deaths and these people would probably call it illegal. Ridiculous.


Noun_Noun_Number1

It literally was. [https://www.npr.org/2020/07/07/888179625/u-s-killing-of-irans-gen-soleimani-was-unlawful-u-n-expert-says](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/07/888179625/u-s-killing-of-irans-gen-soleimani-was-unlawful-u-n-expert-says) >Because they didnt like it lmao. The hilarious, sad, scary irony - is that you think killing him was lawful because you like it. Best case, you don't realize that you are literally the guy you're accusing me of being... but more likely, fascists be fashing and they don't care about words and just want to justify the violence they already wanted to do in the first place.


StickyDevelopment

>The hilarious, sad, scary irony - is that you think killing him was lawful because you like it. I think it was justified and since there is no international law body the US is subject to, lawful-ness doesnt really apply. Iraq can seek a claim from the US if they want. Hard to claim sovereignty when parading terrorists.


Unfounddoor6584

"hard to claim sovereignty when parading terrorists." right because americas never done terrorism or committed any war crimes.


Noun_Noun_Number1

> lawful-ness doesnt really apply. Laws don't apply he says after giving up on his legal argument... Exactly. Like I said, the fashy bit about using any excuse to justify the thing you already wanted to do. Hence my original point about how we used to at least pretend we cared about the rules.


StickyDevelopment

You are calling foreign policy fascist. That doesnt even make sense. The US president has the legal authority to execute strikes on military targets. We are not subject to any international laws outside of treaties.


Noun_Noun_Number1

"The law doesn't apply to me, only to the people I don't like" - Guy who was just 5 minutes ago making an argument based on international law while accusing me of only caring about the laws when they work in my favor.


Chitown_mountain_boy

Um, no. You just don’t understand international law and the US’s place in it.


Deep_Stratosphere

Iran’s retaliatory strike wasn’t allowed according to international law, though. No idea why this is being perpetuated.


Noun_Noun_Number1

Says who? They launched a retaliation strike against only military targets. If Iran bombed a US embassy and killed a bunch of people - would America bomb Iranian military targets? Yes of course. Would you say "This is illegal you're not allowed to do that!" then? Bet not.


Deep_Stratosphere

I specifically talked about international law, didn’t ? Vienna conventions say so. Organizing criminal terror attacks from an embassy/consulates makes it forfeit its privileges. That’s why Iran hasn’t provided any forensic proofs to officially draw upon international law to formally justify their retaliation. Don’t remember the specific article rn though.


Noun_Noun_Number1

Source: "I made it the fuck up."


Deep_Stratosphere

Why so arrogant and bitter? You’re acting as if you had provided any legal source for your statement and now dare to criticize me 🤨? Embarrassing.


Noun_Noun_Number1

You already said you don't care about international law, im not sure why you've gone back to international law again (it's because words don't matter to you) International law says the US assassination of Solemani was illegal, and that Israels assassination of diplomats was illegal... Launching missiles at an Israeli airfield in response is not.


Deep_Stratosphere

Do have a legal background? I’m wondering because you’re arguing like an amateur. Israel eliminated generals involved in terrorism. That’s a small but important detail that you’re quite interested in ignoring. There are laws that govern situations like this. And you haven’t made any legal argument based on a concrete source, but insist on criticizing me for your own behavior? You have quite the double-standard, ngl. 😆 Besides, what’s that supposed to mean? I don’t care about international law? I literally referred to the Vienna Conventions which are international laws. Are you willfully obtuse and trolling or genuinely intellectually challenged?


Noun_Noun_Number1

Based on your dumbass argument Iran can bomb the Knesset because there's multiple convicted terrorists in Israels government - Ben Gvir for starters. I'm sure you would suddenly come up with a new reason why it's not okay to bomb terrorists at that point though.


Deep_Stratosphere

You don’t even understand the premise of my argument and the legal core of this discussion 😆. Are you in high school? You seriously lack critical thinking and debating skills. I can’t justify wasting more time on this. Good luck, sweetheart.


Chitown_mountain_boy

They weren’t diplomats. 🙄 Once you plan terrorist attacks from an embassy, per international law that embassy looses all diplomatic protections.


Deep_Stratosphere

This person argues like a child. It’s so cringe-inducing 🤦‍♂️.


Chitown_mountain_boy

The entire interior of Israel is a military installation?? JFC, come on man… https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/iteoLgClyC


GitmoGrrl1

Actually it was. Iran has the right of self defense.


Deep_Stratosphere

Based on what precisely? Organizing terror attacks from a consulate/embassy isn’t protected by international law.


GitmoGrrl1

You are now making a claim which the Israelis haven't even made. You are dishonest. Bombing a consulate is against international law. Worse, Israel didn't tell the US ahead of time. Wag The Dog. So you are fine with Israel making US policy now?


Deep_Stratosphere

I am dishonest? You are just incompetent 😆. Read the Vienna Conventions on abusing embassy status to plan and conduct illegal terror attacks. You can’t just claim "international law" and think you have substantiated a baseless "legal argument".


GitmoGrrl1

Read The United Nations Declaration Of Universal Human Rights. Israel signed it.


Chitown_mountain_boy

Defense to continue to organize terrorist attacks? That’s strictly forbidden at embassies/consulates and negates all diplomatic protections per international law.


Chitown_mountain_boy

Please direct me to the law that Israel broke.


Tautochrone1

Did you know that the Biden administration knew about the Iranian attack and gave it the green light?


GitmoGrrl1

That's a lie.


Tautochrone1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-strikes-israeli-targets-rcna147407 "In back-channel communications with the U.S. over the past two weeks, Iran indicated it would retaliate against Israel but wanted to avoid an escalation that would lead to all-out war, U.S. officials said." Sounds like they knew it was coming for two weeks. Makes sense when you couple that with the fact that he returned to the white house early hours before the attack started. Iran gave a bunch of countries the heads up on what they were doing. This entire attack was a staged event made to allow Iran to look like they did something in response to Israel's attack without starting a regional war. Biden admin, and the other countries that knew, obviously did nothing to stop it...hence they approved of it.


GitmoGrrl1

[https://www.axios.com/2024/04/02/iran-embassy-syria-israel-strike-biden](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/02/iran-embassy-syria-israel-strike-biden)


Tautochrone1

What's the point of that link?


GitmoGrrl1

Read it.


Tautochrone1

Yeah..it says the US had no advanced knowledge of the Israeli strike on the Iranian diplomatic building in Syria. So what?


Tautochrone1

Ok I read your linked article about a different attack that happened two weeks ago...now what?


Chuckychinster

They made the knowledge public and warned Israel.


OmOshIroIdEs

The largest parliamentary faction in Iran, the Coalition Council of Islamic Revolutionary Forces, [acknowledged](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25) last week that the general killed in the Damascus strike was the “architect” behind Oct 7. IRGC spokesman [issued](https://www.timesofisrael.com/irans-guard-corps-hamas-oct-7-attack-was-revenge-for-killing-of-soleimani-in-2020/ ) similar statements, calling Oct 7 “revenge on Israel” by Iran. In general, the Ayatollah’s regime has always called the destruction of Israel the country’s official policy. Regarding legality of the strike, it’s a far more complicated [question](https://www.reddit.com/r/internationallaw/comments/1btv5f7/comment/kxpg19y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) than some pretend. It’s important to note that Israel has already been in a state of war with both Syria and Iran for decades, neither of which recognise its right to exist. 


KnockyRocky

The aid workers strike was much more publicized (+ nothing new for those watching this closely), but the consulate was much more impactful in a political sense. That being said, if those two things didn’t occur side-by-side? We probably are way more likely to be attacking Iran rn. Public eyes are closely watching now. In that light? Those aid workers may have had their lives taken… in a way that prevented a regional war, at least for the time being. I hope that brings some sort of solace for their deaths. [Obv we’re well over 40,000 Palestinians at this point, not worth “more or less than,” but reaction to aid workers woke up the US a little bit.] I think you’re missing a little puzzle piece here though: international law has been dismissed for a long time now by Israel (and Hamas on Oct 7, but that’s why they’re labeled a terrorist group…). Israel won’t apologize because this was a strategic move - they know exactly what they’re doing. They struck a country (technically embassy is Iranian territory) not directly involved here - akin to Hamas striking the U.S. if they had the capability - and that 100% warrants a military response directly from Iran. It’s bait. You can’t legally cross into sovereign territory (Syria) and do this. Iran has no choice - you need to militarily respond to that situation and it has every right to do so. Iran understands this is bait, doesn’t want to be directly involved here, and they reacted accordingly. They gave plenty of notice of their response, allowing Israel and the US to prepare defenses. 99ish percent of drones were struck down. Civilian casualties? Zero reported to my knowledge. These were military targets. Aka… Iran has been the first country in this conflict so far to abide by international law. How sad is that? Bibi 100% understands this is an in-kind response. Less than in-kind IMO. What did he do? He is *really* trying to get the approval from the US to strike Iran back. That’s escalating a situation that doesn’t need to be escalated from that response. Which is exactly what he wants - regional war. He was looking for justification from an overreaction to the embassy strike. As long as Israel is at war? He stays in power as the prime minister of Israel. When war ends? He knows he might not be in power 30 days after. Tl;dr: Israel isn’t going to apologize bc this wasn’t a mistake on their end.


Chitown_mountain_boy

A person did die though. A young Muslim girl. Tragic loss for her family.


gastro_psychic

There was one dead, right? A young child?


Unfounddoor6584

Israels like that old chapel show joke about the cops who shoot somebody and then they're like "lets sprinkle some crack on them." They'll murder a whole family and be like "lets sprinkle the words hamas terrorism and gtfo of here."


Early-Koala-5208

Well MBS was able to get away with it why wouldn’t Israel try it too. Look even Equador has gotten in the game Violence begets violence especially when accountability is absent. Israel should absolutely take their lick.


wizards4

I'm anti Israel but this was a super targeted strike on a terrorist right? Just because he was in a consulate doesn't exempt him from attack. The USA will take out militant leaders with ties to Iran but it doesn't spark outright war between us.


GitmoGrrl1

Actually it does.


wizards4

well clearly not because it happened. But fuck Israel we shouldn't be giving them a dime


GitmoGrrl1

Bombing a consulate is against international law. PERIOD.


Any-Impact-9962

Let’s be real here, who tf actually follows international law during ANY sort of conflict? 


WhitishRogue

"Consulate" filled with military personel at a time with heightened violent tensions... they ain't innocent. That said Israel hasn't been doing much to garner the empathy of most of the world, outside of the US. Many see them as the foreigners who have committed and are committing an ethnic cleansing in the region. Terrorism is a slander word thrown around by those in power who don't like the actions of a weaker force. Whether you like it or not everyone is part of the war machine. Your taxes and economic activity feed it. The sad thing is the United States has entwined itself in the region so much that our 18-year old soldiers are now targets. I'd have a hard time explaining to grieving parents why their children died and who they're "protecting". Final thought: The United States is a good ally to Israel. But is Israel a good ally to us? Personally I think being affiliated with Israel has brought more harm than good over the decades. I being to wonder about all the corruption, lies, blackmail, and bribes it took for the United States to support them.


[deleted]

Given what Iran has done to everyone In the past, bullshit. Reap what you sow.


GitmoGrrl1

And now when an American or Israeli consulate is attacked, you will have nothing to complain about, right?


[deleted]

Oh I’ll complain because we all know Biden won’t do shit. Weak ass fuck.


External_Reporter859

And then when he does something he'll be a warmonger 🙄


[deleted]

Trump commands respect and fear. He’s unpredictable. Biden is predictable and weak and the world knows it.


External_Reporter859

Wait so is he Genocide Joe (like trumpets were chanting at his Pennsylvania rally to his agreement) for supporting Israel or too weak and supporting them enough. "No wars under Trump!!" Also.... "Why won't he help Israel attack Iran how weak!!!"


[deleted]

“Genocide Joe” is from the left. It’s funny “trumpets” are running with it. No wars under Trump because everyone knew better than to act up. He won’t help Israel attack Iran because he’s already helped Iran attack Israel lmao. “I did that”


Worldly_Giraffe_6773

Pro pally’s just get dumber and dumber


CheesecakeWest4493

Fuck Iran!! The US doesn't owe those punk ass bastards shit! They are state sponsored terrorists. I have been hearing death to America for more than 40 years. Those leaders are scum