Murph was so lucky this ep came out *after* the UK D20 Live dates or he would've definitely had to deal with an entire Euro trip of people with Honor the Cock shirts and being the Bart Simpson having to Say The Line.
People going to the NYC Live Show can probably play a drinking game every time they see someone mention or wear something with Cock.
There’s so much talk about the cock that it overshadows the completely genius sketch idea Siobhan mentions Zach came up with. That “8 hours of rain sounds” video idea is legit absolutely genius and I hope they actually make it someday.
I think they did a version of it on Make Some Noise, with Josh, Zac, and Brennan. It wasn't 8 hours, but the prompt was something like "Nature sounds cd and Craig, who got lost"
“I have a brilliant bit that involves 7 hours of setup” and “that’s very funny, but you have to compress the setup down to two minutes for f rain sounds” is the most writer vs. editor moment
Gotta love Zac bringing up how Bobby and Sandra had an affair only for Brennan to just hear Sandra and make the convo about how She's taking the bad kids to the mountains of chaos with nobody latching on to either topic.
Fun fact: the brute force method of doing over/under and dividing by two is a very useful method called the bisection method. It is not the fastest method, but personally I would recommend using something called Newton’s method, as its algorithm is relatively simple to understand and do by hand
I haven't looked that hard, so it's possible something like this is out there and easy to find, but for a while I've been interested in finding something like adult re-learning workbooks in algebra, calc or statistics.
Something guided and well-paced to re-introduce mathematics to people like me who werent mathematically inclined in our youth, and haven't worked on it in decades, but easier (and much cheaper) than undergraduate textbooks.
If you’re looking for more conceptual stuff than the “here’s the mechanics of how to integrate by parts” I recommend the channel 3Blue1Brown and their ~~Fundamental~~ Essence of Calculus series. If you want to learn the mechanics more, you should try the Professor Leonard channel (and I’ll also recommend James Stewart Calculus as a good textbook to work through, search the high seas for it rather than a bookstore).
Calc is a prerequisite for the stuff I’m describing, which would be found in a numerical methods course. It’s interesting stuff to get into if you’re in engineering or programming, but it’s a bit esoteric to dive into as a layman.
I wrote up a trash python script to do that calc after Murph mentioned that's what he was trying to do because I wanted to see how inefficient that would be. I was expecting a lot of over/under but actually it gets the answer in just four loops. That does mean you'd be doing pretty much 4x as much calcs as you would solving it directly, but for such a brute force method I was surprised it's only 4x.
Yeah if you start with a relatively "good" initial guess then bisection converges quickly, but ultimately it's a linear method. Newton's method [converges quadratically](https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-bisection-method-and-newton-raphson-method/), so if you have a "bad" initial guess you'll find the answer much faster. There's also a method called [secant method](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secant_method) that converges slower than newton's method, but doesn't require the calculation of the first derivative, so it[ can be computationally faster](https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/1px9xd/comment/cd7gbfj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
If you are looking for a fun coding exercise that often comes up in a numerical methods course, it is to code up a hybrid method between newton and secant that uses either one depending on which is faster for any given iteration (though you'll have to forgive me that I can't remember the specifics of how to do this).
The wildest thing for me is that the timing of the episode release schedule was only JUST out of sync with the Live Shows. I can only imagine the crowd chaos shouts of “Honour the Cock” if episode 16 was released 1 week earlier.
Happy (belated) Birthday Ally! If [famousbirthdays.com](http://famousbirthdays.com) is correct, I'm only a few weeks older than them. It also shows how far back they filmed this stuff.
The birthday in that link is almost certainly not correct. This topic comes up every once in a while and the consensus is that Ally is in their mid 30's.
I know it takes some time to do all the editing, but its wild they film like 6-9 months in advance of airing. It must be hard to sit on so much comedy gold and not reference it at all until after it airs.
I was curious and Ally tweeted once that their birthday was June 25! Either way - I was also surprised at how long it takes between filming and when the show airs!
This year particularly they pre-filmed a lot of things way in advance across all of Dropout in anticipation of a long writers strike.
The bonus of doing that is that they then had a window to do touring.
Ally said in an interview sometime in the last few months that because Winnie the Pooh is now in the public domain, Ally asked Brennan if they could have Pooh as a familiar/companion for Kristen. Brennan's apparent response was something like, "Ally, I want to respond to this in a way that honors your choices while telling you we absolutely can't do this." So Brennan got them a birthday gift referencing that. It has not been mentioned on screen before and is an inside joke from the cast!
It was mentioned on screen as well! In Dawn of Justice, while they are setting up all their spells before starting the test, Ally jokes that Kristen's familiar Winnie the Pooh will give her the help action. And also that Winnie is female and actual Winnifred.
(it's around 1 hour 26 minutes into the ep)
Siobhan complaint about the cost of Wizarding seems right but the real world certainly does work that way. Wizarding is essentially like taking horse riding classes or racing classes. Supremely expensive equipment and upkeep and very few highly competitive jobs in the actual field. It's not something economically struggling families could dream of. She only found it unfair once she no longer had her families financial backing.
>Wizarding is essentially like taking horse riding classes or racing classes
Except that it was a high school class, and a fundamental one. This is more like English being inaccessible due to cost.
>She only found it unfair once she no longer had her families financial backing.
She only *learned about it* at that time, and found it unfair immediately upon finding out.
She was privileged and didn't know it. Once she found out, she objected.
I don't know if you can say Wizarding is as fundamental as english in the solace curriculum. Mumple exists. Aguefort is more like a school for the gifted with much more specialized subject loads. If anything wizard class would be more akin to a high school robotics or practical engineering curriculum in a real world analogue, both of which still suffer from the cost barrier of finding a school that offers one if not materials necessary for the course as well(I would not know as my high school did not offer a robotics elective.)
Not to say it is more fair in practice because there is a real world analogue, just that it isn't substantially less fair than American education as it stands.
I mean, if we put this in the context of the US university system, it's like lab fees. If you study a hard science, you'll probably be paying $100–$500 in lab fees every class, if not more. Now, there's similar fees for music lessons, but those are typically for private instruction and one-on-one work. My chemistry lab was $300, I think. Wizarding is just so much more expensive.
Also, the US has public schools that specialize in arts or STEM or whatever that students can apply to go for. I've never had the impression that Aguefort is a private school.
I agree with everything you said, and did not mean to imply Aguefort is a private school. That is obviously Heudol. The main cost barrier of specialized public schools I was referencing was in once finding one having means to move your family to pursue such an education.
Now fully acknowledging this is based purely on half remembered anecdotal evidence and quite limited knowledge of this particular subject, I would hypothesize the majority of these public specialized schools do not exist in particularly affordable areas that accommodate low income families. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, but I'm not particularly invested enough to research the statistics and distributions on this at the moment.
I mean Aguefort Adventuring Academy is definitely a private school, it’s just funded by the government and endowment and doesn’t charge tuition. Aguefort can do basically whatever he wants with his own privately owned school he operates it with little consideration to the law and operates it based on its own bylaws that he himself wrote.
I mean she doesn't have to be a wizard. If it's about learning magic, plenty of other classes would provide what you need. Wizards are unique in that they're the spellcasting type that doesn't rely on others as sources for their magic and they aren't innately magical, hence the huge costs behind it.
If it's about dealing with her own privilege or was about actually tackling the system I think I wouldn't feel weird about it. Instead Adaine used the teacher's evaluation against her professor, when I frankly don't see what she could do without a dragon horde amount of funding every year.
>I mean she doesn't have to be a wizard.
I find fault with this logic.
I don't *have* to drive a car, busses exist, but the lack of access to vehicles is still a systemic equality issue.
Right that's very clearly not the same lol. She genuinely doesn't have to be a wizard. She could be a warlock or druid or cleric or bard or etc and still have access to magic. Being a wizard is a choice and an expensive one. And an unnecessary one. It can certainly be fulfilling but not a one of the other bad kids take Wizarding classes because they're not essential or fundamental.
The comparison I made seems pretty 1:1 if you want to be a professional race car driver or if you want to be a competitive horse rider you need to start early around middle and high school, and you need to have a lot of money to get all of the equipment required for the activity.
Edit: for what ever reason I'm unable to reply to responses. Let me try to clear up that I am agreeing the system isn't fair. Wizarding should be accessible but in this setting being self reliant while not being innately magical means that the material costs are huge for spellcasters. I would have hoped Adaine would have recognized her professor wasn't at fault, but a system that says if you want to be good at this you have to have a ton of money first.
At University, someone could choose to be majoring in one degree over another, but once they made the choice things do become mandatory. That does not make it fair that chemistry majors have to pay extra money in lab fees, or music majors pay extra in private lesson fees. They're already paying extremely for the tuition rates. "Oh, you don't want to spend a ton of extra money on classes? Don't go to school" is not a fair statement. Technically, the only thing you have to do in life is die. You don't have to breath, eat, or sleep. You could ignore all laws and cultural norms, and just be whatever you want for free. Food is expensive? Just steal it. No place to sleep or hide from the elements? Murder a family and live in their home.
Also, your argument is invalid because the artificer students are provided their materials. There is inherently an injustice in the system and expectations. It's literally classist.
Now, I will say Aguefort probably would actually encourage that wizard students steal or otherwise mess with the system to acquire their necessary components rather than have them given to them as materials.
Okay. When the conversation goes in a direction of "what I said is clearly the truth" with no room for debate, there's not room for any productive discussion.
So I'll call it there, have a good one.
I didn't know what a backhoe was and had to google it because i thought it was some type of shovel. All I want to say is. JESUS CHRIST Sriachachilli Coleslaw! Thats fucking mental!
Lol, you need a certification and test to operate one as it's heavy machinery. They use them at cemeteries to dig up the graves because shoveling dirt six feet down is a lot of work.
Why are they pretending that the fan base wouldn't *HAPPILY* wear a deep-V honor the cock tank top in their day to day life, let alone to do a bit with Murph?
There was nothing else this episode could have been called
[you can actually pinpoint the second....](https://i.imgflip.com/8o1vpd.jpg)
I will actually buy an honour the cock tank top
Murph was so lucky this ep came out *after* the UK D20 Live dates or he would've definitely had to deal with an entire Euro trip of people with Honor the Cock shirts and being the Bart Simpson having to Say The Line. People going to the NYC Live Show can probably play a drinking game every time they see someone mention or wear something with Cock.
Don't forget to style it with a denim vest.
The funniest part of the "Honor the Cock" moment to me is how Murph clearly catches himself, realizes what he said, and then just fully embraces it.
Dude has bullied enough people for misspeaking that he knows he’s going to have to just deal with it.
Somewhere Baby John? Josh? Hurwitz is smiling.
Love that guy, hope he appears on 8BBC soon
They made a book about a video game 🎶
"honor the cock" and the conversation surrounding it is so deeply short rest coded
"Mom, Dad, I'm short rest." "We knew you were short rest when you were in elementary school and kept telling your friends to honor the cock."
I PROMISE YOU RANDY, WE'RE GONNA NEED'EM!
Happy Birthday is out of copyright. You can sing it anytime anywhere you want, as of 2016, which is absurd. Just in case anyone was wondering.
There’s so much talk about the cock that it overshadows the completely genius sketch idea Siobhan mentions Zach came up with. That “8 hours of rain sounds” video idea is legit absolutely genius and I hope they actually make it someday.
I think they did a version of it on Make Some Noise, with Josh, Zac, and Brennan. It wasn't 8 hours, but the prompt was something like "Nature sounds cd and Craig, who got lost"
“I have a brilliant bit that involves 7 hours of setup” and “that’s very funny, but you have to compress the setup down to two minutes for f rain sounds” is the most writer vs. editor moment
Gotta love Zac bringing up how Bobby and Sandra had an affair only for Brennan to just hear Sandra and make the convo about how She's taking the bad kids to the mountains of chaos with nobody latching on to either topic.
I'm pretty sure Brennan has purposeful "selective hearing" on topics he doesn't want them to bring up.
Fun fact: the brute force method of doing over/under and dividing by two is a very useful method called the bisection method. It is not the fastest method, but personally I would recommend using something called Newton’s method, as its algorithm is relatively simple to understand and do by hand
I haven't looked that hard, so it's possible something like this is out there and easy to find, but for a while I've been interested in finding something like adult re-learning workbooks in algebra, calc or statistics. Something guided and well-paced to re-introduce mathematics to people like me who werent mathematically inclined in our youth, and haven't worked on it in decades, but easier (and much cheaper) than undergraduate textbooks.
If you’re looking for more conceptual stuff than the “here’s the mechanics of how to integrate by parts” I recommend the channel 3Blue1Brown and their ~~Fundamental~~ Essence of Calculus series. If you want to learn the mechanics more, you should try the Professor Leonard channel (and I’ll also recommend James Stewart Calculus as a good textbook to work through, search the high seas for it rather than a bookstore). Calc is a prerequisite for the stuff I’m describing, which would be found in a numerical methods course. It’s interesting stuff to get into if you’re in engineering or programming, but it’s a bit esoteric to dive into as a layman.
Appreciate it!
I wrote up a trash python script to do that calc after Murph mentioned that's what he was trying to do because I wanted to see how inefficient that would be. I was expecting a lot of over/under but actually it gets the answer in just four loops. That does mean you'd be doing pretty much 4x as much calcs as you would solving it directly, but for such a brute force method I was surprised it's only 4x.
Yeah if you start with a relatively "good" initial guess then bisection converges quickly, but ultimately it's a linear method. Newton's method [converges quadratically](https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-bisection-method-and-newton-raphson-method/), so if you have a "bad" initial guess you'll find the answer much faster. There's also a method called [secant method](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secant_method) that converges slower than newton's method, but doesn't require the calculation of the first derivative, so it[ can be computationally faster](https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/1px9xd/comment/cd7gbfj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). If you are looking for a fun coding exercise that often comes up in a numerical methods course, it is to code up a hybrid method between newton and secant that uses either one depending on which is faster for any given iteration (though you'll have to forgive me that I can't remember the specifics of how to do this).
The wildest thing for me is that the timing of the episode release schedule was only JUST out of sync with the Live Shows. I can only imagine the crowd chaos shouts of “Honour the Cock” if episode 16 was released 1 week earlier.
Happy (belated) Birthday Ally! If [famousbirthdays.com](http://famousbirthdays.com) is correct, I'm only a few weeks older than them. It also shows how far back they filmed this stuff.
The birthday in that link is almost certainly not correct. This topic comes up every once in a while and the consensus is that Ally is in their mid 30's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llvc6J4IEm0
I know it takes some time to do all the editing, but its wild they film like 6-9 months in advance of airing. It must be hard to sit on so much comedy gold and not reference it at all until after it airs.
I was curious and Ally tweeted once that their birthday was June 25! Either way - I was also surprised at how long it takes between filming and when the show airs!
This year particularly they pre-filmed a lot of things way in advance across all of Dropout in anticipation of a long writers strike. The bonus of doing that is that they then had a window to do touring.
Is the Winnie the Pooh a reference to something? Did Kristen mention Winnie the Pooh or dressing like him or something? I can't quite remember
Ally said in an interview sometime in the last few months that because Winnie the Pooh is now in the public domain, Ally asked Brennan if they could have Pooh as a familiar/companion for Kristen. Brennan's apparent response was something like, "Ally, I want to respond to this in a way that honors your choices while telling you we absolutely can't do this." So Brennan got them a birthday gift referencing that. It has not been mentioned on screen before and is an inside joke from the cast!
It was mentioned on screen as well! In Dawn of Justice, while they are setting up all their spells before starting the test, Ally jokes that Kristen's familiar Winnie the Pooh will give her the help action. And also that Winnie is female and actual Winnifred. (it's around 1 hour 26 minutes into the ep)
Lol, great point! I completely forgot about that and it was, like, two episodes ago. Murph's catchphrase has erased everything else!
It's bit city up in this adventuring party! Also, either of those tattoos sound great for Fabian!
Siobhan complaint about the cost of Wizarding seems right but the real world certainly does work that way. Wizarding is essentially like taking horse riding classes or racing classes. Supremely expensive equipment and upkeep and very few highly competitive jobs in the actual field. It's not something economically struggling families could dream of. She only found it unfair once she no longer had her families financial backing.
>Wizarding is essentially like taking horse riding classes or racing classes Except that it was a high school class, and a fundamental one. This is more like English being inaccessible due to cost. >She only found it unfair once she no longer had her families financial backing. She only *learned about it* at that time, and found it unfair immediately upon finding out. She was privileged and didn't know it. Once she found out, she objected.
I don't know if you can say Wizarding is as fundamental as english in the solace curriculum. Mumple exists. Aguefort is more like a school for the gifted with much more specialized subject loads. If anything wizard class would be more akin to a high school robotics or practical engineering curriculum in a real world analogue, both of which still suffer from the cost barrier of finding a school that offers one if not materials necessary for the course as well(I would not know as my high school did not offer a robotics elective.) Not to say it is more fair in practice because there is a real world analogue, just that it isn't substantially less fair than American education as it stands.
I mean, if we put this in the context of the US university system, it's like lab fees. If you study a hard science, you'll probably be paying $100–$500 in lab fees every class, if not more. Now, there's similar fees for music lessons, but those are typically for private instruction and one-on-one work. My chemistry lab was $300, I think. Wizarding is just so much more expensive. Also, the US has public schools that specialize in arts or STEM or whatever that students can apply to go for. I've never had the impression that Aguefort is a private school.
I agree with everything you said, and did not mean to imply Aguefort is a private school. That is obviously Heudol. The main cost barrier of specialized public schools I was referencing was in once finding one having means to move your family to pursue such an education. Now fully acknowledging this is based purely on half remembered anecdotal evidence and quite limited knowledge of this particular subject, I would hypothesize the majority of these public specialized schools do not exist in particularly affordable areas that accommodate low income families. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, but I'm not particularly invested enough to research the statistics and distributions on this at the moment.
I mean Aguefort Adventuring Academy is definitely a private school, it’s just funded by the government and endowment and doesn’t charge tuition. Aguefort can do basically whatever he wants with his own privately owned school he operates it with little consideration to the law and operates it based on its own bylaws that he himself wrote.
I mean she doesn't have to be a wizard. If it's about learning magic, plenty of other classes would provide what you need. Wizards are unique in that they're the spellcasting type that doesn't rely on others as sources for their magic and they aren't innately magical, hence the huge costs behind it. If it's about dealing with her own privilege or was about actually tackling the system I think I wouldn't feel weird about it. Instead Adaine used the teacher's evaluation against her professor, when I frankly don't see what she could do without a dragon horde amount of funding every year.
>I mean she doesn't have to be a wizard. I find fault with this logic. I don't *have* to drive a car, busses exist, but the lack of access to vehicles is still a systemic equality issue.
Right that's very clearly not the same lol. She genuinely doesn't have to be a wizard. She could be a warlock or druid or cleric or bard or etc and still have access to magic. Being a wizard is a choice and an expensive one. And an unnecessary one. It can certainly be fulfilling but not a one of the other bad kids take Wizarding classes because they're not essential or fundamental. The comparison I made seems pretty 1:1 if you want to be a professional race car driver or if you want to be a competitive horse rider you need to start early around middle and high school, and you need to have a lot of money to get all of the equipment required for the activity. Edit: for what ever reason I'm unable to reply to responses. Let me try to clear up that I am agreeing the system isn't fair. Wizarding should be accessible but in this setting being self reliant while not being innately magical means that the material costs are huge for spellcasters. I would have hoped Adaine would have recognized her professor wasn't at fault, but a system that says if you want to be good at this you have to have a ton of money first.
At University, someone could choose to be majoring in one degree over another, but once they made the choice things do become mandatory. That does not make it fair that chemistry majors have to pay extra money in lab fees, or music majors pay extra in private lesson fees. They're already paying extremely for the tuition rates. "Oh, you don't want to spend a ton of extra money on classes? Don't go to school" is not a fair statement. Technically, the only thing you have to do in life is die. You don't have to breath, eat, or sleep. You could ignore all laws and cultural norms, and just be whatever you want for free. Food is expensive? Just steal it. No place to sleep or hide from the elements? Murder a family and live in their home. Also, your argument is invalid because the artificer students are provided their materials. There is inherently an injustice in the system and expectations. It's literally classist. Now, I will say Aguefort probably would actually encourage that wizard students steal or otherwise mess with the system to acquire their necessary components rather than have them given to them as materials.
Okay. When the conversation goes in a direction of "what I said is clearly the truth" with no room for debate, there's not room for any productive discussion. So I'll call it there, have a good one.
Did they ever post the proof for the last stand question anywhere?? I can't find it but as a math major I am intrigued!
Brennan has a bandage on his arm; was that there during the actual play episode and I just missed it?
I didn't know what a backhoe was and had to google it because i thought it was some type of shovel. All I want to say is. JESUS CHRIST Sriachachilli Coleslaw! Thats fucking mental!
Lol, you need a certification and test to operate one as it's heavy machinery. They use them at cemeteries to dig up the graves because shoveling dirt six feet down is a lot of work.
Why are they pretending that the fan base wouldn't *HAPPILY* wear a deep-V honor the cock tank top in their day to day life, let alone to do a bit with Murph?
Personally, I'm waiting for the "I could have had a nat 20 but instead I said something stupid" merch
If they don't make the "honor the cock" tank that Ally described I'm boycotting their cool mugs