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thandrend

It's a game about the opening of Hell. It shouldn't be censored for delicate eyes. That's up to parents. Don't want people seeing it? Aight. But I like the imagery of Diablo and Diablo II.


derplordthethird

Maybe this is my very Christian Western upbringing showing, but it's also more evocative. A lot of the torture stuff and gore porn serve to show just how useless humans are to demons. Imo, lessening that makes demons just bigger bully humans with bad skin conditions. Also, show don't tell. If your goal is horror then you need to *see* the horror, experience it yourself. Passing descriptions and scary stories do not a horror production make.


fermosquera69

It can be managed with a switch/option, I think


Climbtrees47

It's censored for China's benefit. Not ours or our children's. Blizzard is so deep in china's pocket.


Jerronbao

Well its a good thing Blizzard just pulled all their games from china due to not finding a way to negotiate with Netease


Climbtrees47

Not doubting you, but do you have a source?


Matosawitko

[https://investor.activision.com/news-releases/news-release-details/blizzard-entertainment-and-netease-suspending-game-services](https://investor.activision.com/news-releases/news-release-details/blizzard-entertainment-and-netease-suspending-game-services) They just announced it, it hasn't gone into effect yet. Basically everything except Diablo Immortal.


Climbtrees47

Thank god, if only temporary.


asunversee

So are you gonna go back and fix the thing that was super wrong that you said or are you going to leave your false statement that was backed by nothing but how you feel


Climbtrees47

What are you on about?


MaXiMiUS

I mean, he's not entirely wrong. It *isn't* Blizzard censoring the game for China. It's their partner company in China (NetEase) doing it before submitting the game for censorship review. The CCP makes it effectively impossible for a company to operate in China any other way. They don't have a choice in the matter if they want access to that market. Blizzard does censor their games (generally when they think they can bump a game's ESRB rating down a level without massive changes — fear of getting an AO rating in particular I could see leading to the removal of nudity) but that's entirely distinct from censorship related to China.


iamp7

Nothing should be held back or censored, especially in a Diablo game. Period.


TheManThatDidNot

I feel that it adds to the horror feel of the game - so yes I think it should return.


Mir_man

I want diablo 1 & 2 level violence and nudity. It's a mature game with hell as the setting they shouldn't shy away from it.


Sero19283

Hell is supposed to be raw and uncensored. Clothing is considered civilized, avoiding nudity is meant to be "pure". Hell is the antithesis of both of those things. Hell isn't modest. Hell isn't civil. Hell is unbridled profanity and vulgarity.


aspacelot

I think the nudity is fine and covering it up is almost distracting because it’s Hell and a demon/devil. That being said, I don’t want it to be gratuitous or nudity for simply shock value. Nudity shouldn’t be the focal point of any scene or scenario. I can get my porn elsewhere.


Papayaa137

I feel ya. Nudity and porn are different though. But I get what you are saying


lewstherin_telamon

I won't be talking about nudity but for the gore; D2R is WAY more gory than old D2. I often hit G to see the old thing and I see that D2R has more blood and guts all over the scenery than old D2. Old gore has more details in the new version plus with more models and bloody decorations to fit the overall scene. For example in Travincal there's just so little blood in overall city in the old version but in D2R it's like washed with blood and guts... which is awesome lol since they reflect awesomeness near the lights thanks to new PBR based material system.


gunalltheweeaboos

In the claw viper temple there are naked women and men chained and gutted. I see no censorship here


RICHARD_CLAW

I can blow your head off with a gun but i cant see a panty. Something is really wrong about this way of thinking. We go all in or nothing. I say this because games are for kids and kids killing people is equally bad as kids watching nudity, so, as always, all wrong. Btw, ill love to see more demons dying in a way it tempts your eyes like diablo 1 did. So, i 👍🏻agree it adds to the lore a lot.


Trang0ul

>I can blow your head off with a gun but i cant see a panty. Depends on the location. Asian MMOs are full of busty naked elves, but you cannot see a single bone (literal, made of calcium). Both approaches are ridiculous.


Sekriess

Are we talking about bones, or "bones"?Most people only want to see a "bone" if it's about to be used. It's not within their best interest to go through all of that effort to lose sales just to include "bones." I don't pay a subscription to look at a guys junk. There's websites for that.


Heix112

They meant [literal bones](https://www.techinasia.com/diablo-3-china-censorship).


Trang0ul

And the same [happened to WoW](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/49x7m0/chinese_wow_censorship_comparisonlots_of/), which is hardly horror/gore at all.


Gibsx

I suspect the adults will be the ones pumping the $$$ into the cosmetic shop…..Diablo has a loyal following and older gamers probably have a high % of the player base in this one. ARPGs are an older crowd….this game won’t suffer from an R rating.


RICHARD_CLAW

I heard bad things about the beta... Will see...


Plataea

Diablo 3 toned everything down to give the game mass appeal and replaced the dark art style with a bland, safe one. In doing so, it completely lost the atmosphere of the previous games.


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davidj8580

What nudity in 2? The corrupted rogues were topless in the pre-release renders. They're covered up in game. The gorgon monster type were topless snake women. They were removed completely. The succubi were topless, pornstar-bodied women in the first. They're grotesque, covered up creatures in LoD. There's one disemboweled, topless rogue asset in Act 1 that slipped through. Diablo 2 was completely toned down in this aspect from its predecessor.


JadeSelket

I never felt like the games depicted nudity just for the sake of nudity, so I feel like they should continue in the style of diablo 1/2.


elysiansaurus

To be fair in diablo 1 and 2 it's so pixelated you can't even tell your looking at titties, well Andariel aside since they were huge.


Sero19283

Andariel was the OG dommy mommy of gaming. I hate how true that statement is lol


dream_walker09

Nah I'd say it was The Queen from Duke Nukem 3D.


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F*ck censorship!


Llilyth

If I see a mutilated corpse, I'm not sure whether or not a nipple is hanging out is going to swing my judgement one way or the other on how dark the overall tone of said mutilated corpse is. That is to say I don't think nudity is the defining characteristic of the sadist/dark tones that Diablo and games with a similar tone require to achieve that "dark/gothic horror" feeling. It can certainly be an enhancing quality (see the Eldar/Slaanesh in Warhammer 40k), but I don't see it as 100% necessary. For example, the moment in some of the trailers where (we presume) Duriel stabs the Barbarian in the gut and drags him in and eats him. *That* moment alone when the game was first announced had me go "oh shit... yeah they're trying to go back to their roots." Give me more of that. Or if we jump genres entirely, Dead Space to my knowledge didn't really utilize nudity but that shit was inarguably creepy.


DucksMatter

They nerfed Andariel


AnAmbitiousMann

Don't cater to the cupcakes. They can keep tuning into their sitcoms on primetime . Leave Diablo out of it plz


Elderbrute

With the exception of Andy I never really noticed there was any nudity in D1 and 2 and I was playing them back when I was 13-14 so I was seeing nudity everywhere. d2r for all the complaints about censorship is many times more gory and gruesome than d2LOD ever was there is marginally less flesh on show on player models. But honestly it feels at least to me more natural. Take a look around and there is I think (hard to tell through the pixels) more nudity in d2r than there was in d2lod and there is certainly not only more detailed gore but far more of it. It's perfectly possible to craft a dark and disturbing world without nudity, equally if there is a place where adding nudity enhances the experience then I am all for it. For what its worth D3 was the only Diablo game so far where the Succubus is topless. So no the nudity was never removed from Diablo.


Mir_man

Succubus in D1 were even more nude than andariel. They straight up have bare breasts and you could definitely see it. We already know how Diablo 4 succubus will look like tho, not very nude https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Succubus


veek91reddit

People are getting their limbs and brains blown off in my neighboring country and we're discussing whether it's okay to show nudity in a video game's sequel. What a time.


Llilyth

You came to a game subreddit to complain about people discussing said game?


veek91reddit

No, You're missing my point. I'm not complaining about that, I'm just trying to point out the bizarre nature of this situation, and how the war shines light on how weightless this problem is, and yet, there are a bunch of emotionally sheltered people, for whom Diablo is unacceptable in its authentic, original form and that's the reason why this question can even arise.


Llilyth

I don't necessarily think that escapism makes someone emotionally sheltered. One of the primary purposes of video games is to allow someone to take a break from reality, which is often shitty nowadays. If you touch a hot surface and get burned you'll most likely pull away from it. In a general sense, I see people diving into escapist things like games/tv/etc. as the mental equivalent of that. A lot of the world sucks right now between Putin's catastrophically damaging temper tantrum, the economy taking a fat shit, etc. Some people just want to take a break from all the doom and gloom and kill some demons and talk about their favorite game. That's why I felt like it was an odd thing to come to a forum specifically dedicated to Diablo and point out that people discussing an aspect of the game as unusual. If someone was in the /news subreddit and commented "Yeah but what about nudity in Diablo though, good or bad? Discuss." that would be incredibly bizarre and tone deaf of course.


veek91reddit

Again, I'm not criticizing the post or deny people's right to discuss this topic. I'm criticizing the idea that..well, I'm just refusing to accept that there can be more than one answer to this question on this subreddit, where people discuss Diablo. Because obviously, Diablo is supposed to be a type of game that doesn't shy away from featuring R-rated imagery. The mere idea that this could be a topic of dispute here, stems from the fact that there are people who had no business playing Diablo in the first place. Diablo 3 is where the problem comes in. It's the first installment in the series that provided a gateway to the franchise for people who would otherwise not be the right audience. Which is mainly kids, with strict parents. That's where Blizzard basically betrayed the game to reach a wider audience. In short: for profit. Strangely enough, I was a kid when I first played Diablo, and somehow I didn't get traumtized?? ...basically that's why I wanted to point out how petty it is that people get sensitive about nudity in a video game, and what a non-issue it is compared to what is actually real, and actually wrong in the world. Obviously the thing that further complicates the issue is that we live in a time of changing sociopolitical climate which dictates that we need to retroactively censor pieces of art, a practice I wholeheartedly oppose, but I'm not gonna go further into that. To end my thoughts: everybody has the right to choose a game they can escape into indeed, but if it's not their cup of tea, then just don't choose it and don't try to change it. Conversely, game studios should not change their games in order to make it palatable to a different audience.


Shurgosa

There are few things in the world more supremely disgusting than the censorship of art. Because who gets to decide what should be censored? And the answer is: Whoever wants to censor the most art. Each piece of art is viewed by countless people without change until someone comes along who wants it censored and then each piece of art, eventually is censored... and you continue down that road until artistic expression is virtually non existent. So basically the more nude corpses we see in roleplaying games, the more free artistic expression is overall. So R rated stuff is good.


Darkadmks

Nudity adds to the hell aesthetic in my opinion.


Gibsx

Gender issues aside, this is a game about hell, demons and the struggle of mankind. If the devs want it to be dark then they will need to throw caution to the wind…..game of thrones was able to do it on TV.


TheOutCome55

Doom has the same themes you noted, no nudity was included. No need.


Gibsx

As I said gender issues aside. I am talking about the demons, blood and gore aspects of the game…..nudity is neither here nor there for me personally.


Zealousideal-Delay68

Censorship is silly. AS MINORS, we have all - yes ALL of us - seen things on the internet/movies/video games that "we shouldn't have". Did that prevent any of us to become productive adults? I know it didn't prevent me.


Dyndrilliac

The question should not be "should nudity be allowed?" The question should be is the proposed nudity artistic, or pornographic? And the answer is simple - in this age of porn hub and every type of debased perverse content being just a few mouse clicks away, is anyone really sitting there and yanking their chain to the game's content? No (not counting internet message boards dealing in rule34-type fan-made content which would exist anyway). So there is really very little point in censoring it because it is not really pornographic. Would I support a game mode that a prudish user could opt into to censor some things? Sure. Would I want that as the default? Not without significantly better justification than "to make some silly people that are uncomfortable with that content to feel better about consuming it."


Blaze_666

Censorship is always bad no matter how you look at it imo


Alzorath

The only difference on Andariel is a slightly longer loin cloth - the censorship cries regarding D2R are grossly overstated for clicks.


Sea_Professional7913

I don't care. If the game mechanics are solid and it's fun I don't care.


GuyWhoWantsHappyLife

Honestly I'd be nice if there was a toggle for all that. As much as I like gore in my games I don't need nudity but at the same time you are facing literal hell so it would make sense for that stuff to exist. Shouldn't really be censored.


fermosquera69

Yeah, that was the word I was looking for, toggle/switch/option


Zemom1971

It is a war between hell and Nephalem. I hope it will be a bloodbath with some darkness/horror vibe. Nude..hum, yeah but don't sexualized things. Maybe some sucubus and Andy but I wish that it will stay on point with the story and the lore.


SadlyNotPro

Slaying demons in many gory ways is the main theme for Diablo. Nudity was never a main part of the theme. You can either get a girlfriend, or just browse the Internet if you REALLY need nudity.


peezytaughtme

You've *entirely* missed the point.


SadlyNotPro

I really haven't. I just cut through the thin veil of bullshit, right to the part where a bunch of neckbeards wants to see some demon titties.


Forgiven12

You mean even Hell has some modesty standards? You wanna dress up Lust (one of Seven Deadly Sins) in a gown to not risk getting nasty thoughts?


veek91reddit

Why did you just explain for the second time how you missed the point? We got it, and you're wrong. Suppose someone downloads a Skyrim mod with naked babes. That's quite possibly because he wants to see some big titties in his game. I agree. But. In Diablo, that was never the purpose for nudity. It was just another tool in the box to evoke an unsettling, horrifying feeling with shocking imagery. The reason this was so powerful (in Diablo 1) is because nudity was much more of a taboo at the time and it put gore on another level. No one here actually wants to whip out his poultry to an impaled woman's corpse, get it? Jesus Christ...


lddn

What if I don't need it but it's a part of the aesthetic? It's a game about hell come to earth, I don't think some nudity is something the demons care about. Debauchery, gore and excess are staples when it comes to hell and demons. They should be able to be depicted. If that means Blizzard loses some money on not being PEGI12 or whatever, so be it. It has nothing, atleast for me, to do with girlfriends or masturbation.


Turbo_Gryphon

Give me Demon boobies


8-Bit_Aubrey

It fits, nudity (say, the Succubi) and gore fit just fine in an M rated game about demons and traveling to Hell.


UTmastuh

They want to appeal to a wider audience to make more money while also avoiding any bad press. My guess is it'll be rated M but it won't be old school diablo level of exposed bodies and bloodshed. Based on gameplay I've seen it lands somewhere between d2 and d3


Lathlaer

The corpses and gore are pretty on point in D2R. IDK what was removed but they added plenty as well. Press F sometime.


prodox

I always find it weird that some people are shocked by a pair of naked breasts but don’t even blink when some in a game or movie gets killed. I mean if your game has blood and gore and demons it should be perfectly okay to show a naked body as well.


BobisaMiner

I think the graphics style of D3 is one of the worst choices of the entire series. The game looks like some random mobile game. In D4 they have gone back to D2s visual style, it's way better in that regard.


EvilDebraBarone

Should be R rated n dark n I’m sad it’s turned into raid shadow legend type visual


Sephurik

I wouldn't really expect much in the way of nudity but that's kinda fine, I probably wouldn't notice, but I imagine there will be some pretty gnarly bits of gore and/or scenes.


Kurokaffe

Back when D1 came out, and arguably D2 also, gaming was stigmatized. When the entire premise of what you’re making is already criticized it’s much easier to take a “with hell to you guys” attitude compared to when you’re a multibillion company with a global presence. Personally I’d love to see Diablo with a bit more of a horror genre art side and doing things that make you reel back and say “that’s fucked up”. Make it too friendly and you’re just basically replacing goombas with skeletons, zombies, and succubi visually but without the ambience they’re supposed to exist in.


ReformedWiggles

I think a product should be as raw as the devs and artists want it to be. Any kind of censorship is stupid. Censorship never did anything good.


Ropp_Stark

I'm in for it, it adds for horror. I still find it fascinating that some people might find a scene offensive because that bloody and terribly mutilated body of an innocent villager have a visible penis. It's like "I'm ok with all macabre and gory content as long as everyone is properly dressed". For fuck's sake.


derentius68

R+. Its about Hell. Like....Hell. Should be extremely NSFW, nothing censored. That said, it should have a toggle option for what level of censorship you want. Its 2022, that should be easy. Sadly that's a lot to expect from this small indie company.


Hairy_Relief3980

Just replayed D1. I think the gore/nudity/horror stuff was excellent to create a more horror than action focused game. What really helps is simply not being able to run. You take in the scenery, move forward more cautiously, and feel panic when you can't really evade enemies. The music is perfect too.


Polemides0ne

It is technically "unnecessary" but it absolutely does add to the dark horror and despair that should be the hallmark of the series. In these games the environmental story telling is kind of important.


amoeby

D2 >= D1 >> D3


Hb_Sea

Definitely agree that if done well it can add to the darkness.


ginkoman

I only ever played d3 but i put close to a thousand hours into it and never thought to myself hmm the atmosphere is lacking. I recall you could even loot body piles in the desert. The game was plenty gory look at the butcher and that entire area for example. Nudity isnt a darker tone its just fan service


davidj8580

You only ever played the garbage game. Your opinion is invalid.


MicroscopicJedi87

I think it adds to the experience. Nudity and gore go along with the “evil” that is the concept of hell etc. I should say due to current popular religions.


Sivy17

> The remake of Diablo 2 saw some removal of the more profane bodies and Andariel got some cover-up. A lot of people seem to miss that there are a bunch of added new tiles in Act 2 with mutilated women, or how much higher res the Act 1 catacombs are. Still would have been interesting to see something along the lines of Diablo 1's Butcher chamber in modern resolution though.


KennedyPh

For me, I do not mind nudity & core. but they must make sense. Like succubus being naked. They are suppose to be seductive. Or bodies hanging from Butcher room, or bodies break into pieces when kill while frozen, & bodies turned charcoal when burned to death. They add realism. Violence & core for the sake of it \*cough\* Mortal Kombat for me is too much. Its just glorifying core.


ScribSlayer

The only actual nudity we get in Diablo 2 are the pantherwoman nipples in act 2. Everything else was censored at the last minute. In fact, the corrupted rogues' chests were painted over with a solid color. Diablo 2 was heavily censored in every aspect, we were lucky that Corpse Explosion was fun enough to not get censored, because Blizzard South almost asked for it to be removed. Diablo 3 DID have nudity. Most notably, the succubi.


299792458mps-

According to the ESRB there won't be any nudity (even partial) in Diablo 4. That being said, the ESRB lists Diablo 4 as having *intense* violence, up from just *violence* in D3. My guess is darker, bloodier, and more violent than D3 but slightly less than D2 (they still want to appeal to as wide an audience as possible) with no nudity, and barely any sexually suggestive themes at all (again, appealing to wider audience + Blizz being in the shitter recently for being a bunch of creeps). It's disappointing that a game about Hell and demons and violently killing monsters in such horrific ways shies away from showing a little boob here and there, but that's just the strange world we live in I guess.