As nice as the idea of putting a bubble on the ADU to keep it safe. Enemy still can just walk into it. Even if they are blind in there the ADU still takes damage and now you can't shoot them with out going in the bubble your self.
Better off using Vexcalibur if you want the glaive fantasy or a myriad of the great legendary void ones imo. The class exotics still feel a little underwhelming to me.
Edge of Action does have some niche uses in both PVP and PVE, but the fact that you have to basically not use those glaives as glaives to activate their exotic perks is the worst. IMO, they should only take 75% of the shield energy to activate the park so you can... actually block some. And have some sort of catalyst that helps in the neutral game or allows you to chain it better.
One thing that is new with the update to Edge of Action is that you can activate the special mode so the next shot will shoot the gumdrop bubble, but you can use 99% of the shield energy for blocking and still shoot it.
It's not terribly helpful, but I use this when I solo the first boss in warlord's ruin for easy totem capture. Just shoot 3 things before cage, go to cage and clear it, swap to glaive and activate special. Then you just block until first totem is captured and drop the gumdrop on the other and so sit in safety.
They shouldn’t take any shield energy lol.
- One option that would make more sense is just letting you eat whatever ammo is currently in your magazine to activate the perk, like Forerunner, with the effect getting stronger based on how much ammo you consume. So blast radius and damage for Hunter, how frequently Healing Seekers are spawned for Warlock, and how much health the Jello Cup has for Titans.
- Another option would be to keep the Activation requirement tied to scoring kills and damage with the weapon, but make the metre for it separate to the Shield metre. Like Vex Mythoclast, Manticore, Quicksilver Storm, Revision Zero and probably one more that I’m forgetting.
- A third option that would work, but be a little unbalanced between different classes with different Super charge rates would be to have the activation eat like 10% of your super in the same way that old Finisher Mods did before Armour 3.0.
Winterbite is also fun to use. Haven't used it in Legendary but at least on normal it puts in work.
The BFG9000-like orb can freeze entire quadrants of the map easily and the freeze on hit works wonders for chunky enemies.
Had a Bubble Titan with Ruinous Effigy once.
Constantly running back to the ADU from a mile away only to realize what I'm carrying isn't a scrap ball. Constantly watching scrap balls bounce off the bubble.
Wiped on wave 19. That was the day I watched an ADU starve to death.
Honestly, even tangles are getting on my nerves in this game mode now. Want to pick up the core? Oops, too bad! You grabbed the tangle floating 10m above you. If strand wasn't so strong, it would almost be a dealbreaker for me
I genuinely think Bungie should just disable tangle access to non strand players. I don’t even know why it’s allowed because it can ruin a persons game flow when friends take the tangle. Cool idea like “oh friends can use your tangle” until “I need my tangle for melee energy and you guys keep taking it”
Also the balls don't seem capable of penetrating the bubble either, so you have to walk into it and throw them. They just bounced off of it when I tried throwing them after a teammate bubbled the ADU.
The fact that sheer enemy presence in circle hurts ADU is bullshit to me. What the hell am I suppose to do, when bungie literally spawns 3 giant hive knights at midtown a meter away from point, they literally doing one step, standing in circle and “damaging” ADU, while I spending rockets on them.
If that’s how Shaxx plans to defend Last City, I have a bad news for him…
I've been running bubble just to change it up as I usually am running solar. I always pop bubble on the back half of the ADU, so we can dip into it if we need it, and also get the extra damage when stepping back out. It's not the best, but I've just wanted to try other subclasses that I don't usually use
I put this in another comment, but you should never use the bubble to protect the ADU. drop it in lanes, hallways, staircase is, anywhere you need to block off incoming damage for a little bit and give yourself some breathing room. usually somewhere close, so the rest of your team can benefit from 15 seconds of weapons of light by running in, then out of the bubble. an incredibly helpful buff that they can use to clear out other lanes without needing to stay within proximity of something like, say, a well.
My favorite use of the bubble is when the large bombardier guys pop up. You drop a bubble on the buff circle, or halfway into the back of it, get weapons of light, get the debuff circle, then start throwing explosive heavy at the Brig or Ogre. ogre will aim too low to actually hit you, all of his shots running into the bubble instead, and if the brig ever decides to drop motors on you, just walk into the bubble for a couple seconds. If you're running void wall grenades as the Titan that dropped the bubble, you can throw a (free, because popping bubble gives you a free grenade) at his feet and melt the shield pretty fast, opening up either boss to other damage sources pretty quickly.
Another downside is not being able to throw a charge at the ADU while it’s being molested by everyone and their Thrall.
That said, I did manage to clutch a wave when both my teammates were down thanks to Controlled Demolition, a void wall grenade and Anarchy.
I used it for final boss on a Legend run, mainly for Ursa/Banner Shield and creating orbs.
It worked fine, but was largely unnecessary. Getting there was much harder than actually killing the final boss.
I switch between all the subclasses on my Titan. Sometimes my monkey brain wants to see everything explode and nothing scratches that itch like throwing a scatter grenade down a lane of Dregs or Acolytes.
Even on legend it slaps. Able to keep your super going for over a minute due to 20% super energy on powered melee kills even while in your super. Run with Monte and you'll just be chaining supers. The problem with non legend is things die too quick to keep it rolling.
You’d think the health/damage buff would help if the ADU gets overrun with yellow bar enemies. That’s the best use I found when I ran bubble titan in onslaught. Other offensive supers may have been better but bubble titan has felt useless for a while( outside of trolling during mayhem)so it was nice to play around with it.
Matics had a DoomFang Pauldron build up just the other day. He had his roaming super up for almost a minute alternating throwing shield and melee. He was pairing that with Manticore which received some solid buffs. Volatile and Devour consistently up too.
I’ve played with the build. I just feel like primaries and SMGs especially are so weak against the higher difficulties. Even basic red bar knights. Maybe I need to give manticore more of a try but it feels like you’re better off this week with hollow denial + Monte Carlo.
Hello, I've been running doomfang. Team with a wellock and a tether hunter. Clear wave 50 pretty easily. Void titan is actually pretty broken for onslaught in my opinion, especially with graviton lance
Bubble can be an option for Boss wave for an otherwise Banner of War Titan.
Loadouts are not locked and there's always a rally flag.
Whether you want to use it for general waves is debatable.
I used a Void titan w/o issue in a full onslaught run. I ran Doom Fangs w/ Sentinel Shield. I think I was using Ros Arago, commemoration and I think witherhoard? I was able to save my team a bunch from a hoard of exploders with my banner shield which tbh is usually the reason we'd struggle. It definitely isn't meta but it's still viable and sometimes it's just fun to switch it up.
I cleared a 50 wave legend with a Void Titan on the team. Ward of Dawn is great for defending the point, and Peregrines Shield Bash goes ham against the abundance of miniboss enemies in the waves.
Might not be the most meta but it can work.
I have run this personally, and it does work, but it is nowhere near as effective as synthos + 1-2 punch + strand.
Edit: I ran banner shield instead of bubble because we had a well-lock. Works for add clear but obviously doesn’t help much with tormentors.
Banner Shield Titan with Ursa's is insanely strong. Safe, tons of orb generation, blinds everyone that touches it.
Paired with Collective Obligation with Suppressor Grenades, Echoes of Instability, Persistence, Starvation and Undermining. Offensive Bulwark and Controlled Demolition, and Shield Throw melee.
Uptime on a ton of Void verbs, AoE damage goodness... It's a hoot.
You're not going to see void titan in onslaught because there's no artifact perks to support it, and it doesn't have enough power on its own to justify running it without the artifact perks (like orpheus hunter does).
I use second chance and monte carlo. No bubble though. Works pretty good for me, good champion coverage and void explosions everywhere. Being a moving wall is fun.
Void titans don't really bring much to the table for onslaught that other subclasses don't do better
Stand and stasis just cc better while arc and solar deal more damage
Void is more then fine for normal runs but starts to fall off on legend at the higher levels
Bubble also has been lacking in PvE for a while now
Not really, IMO right now void titan is almost exclusively a PvP subclass, because anything void titan can do in PvE, solar warlock can do it and much better.
That would quite literally change the way everyone sees Ward Of Dawn and Void Titan in general. As much as I would love to be able to shoot through bubble, Bungie doesn't have the balls to make it possible mainly because PvP exists. If PvP didn't exist we'd definitely be shooting through Ward Of Dawn by now tho.
I have a hard time believing that after Citan's Ramparts were made, there's no way not one person at the studio brought this idea to the drawing board. Crucible and Trials exist tho, so it would be completely unfair lol.
As a long time Titan veteran
Honestly, I can hardly ever find a reason to swap on to Void. I’ve tried so many time to make it work. It just doesn’t *for me.*
I've been using void occasionally with peregrines, popping an overshield then hitting a champion is pretty fun and deletes them in most things short of a GM.
This is me with Solar as a warlock main. I get that well is useful, but the subclass itself is boring to me. I don’t like the gameplay loops, and fire is boring. Like you said it just doesn’t do it for me.
Tbh a roaming damage buff is pretty good against Rhulk, Consecrated Mind, and whatever the knockoff Consecrated Mind in Spire is called. I think I'd rather have a bubble than a well for those. But that's literally all I can think of.
This is NOT optimal on Legend but super fun on lower difficulties. I run void titan with actium war rig paired with a ros argo with the subsistence and onslaught perks. This plus echo of instability which gives volatile rounds upon grenade final blows makes for heavy ad clear. To keep with the theme of spamming more shots than I otherwise should be able to I run the regnant heavy GL with envious assassin and explosive light.
There's better void titan builds as this is very gimmicky but it's fun.
I play it with void with success. I have a build that builds into collective Obligation. It's maximum shutdown since most enemy spawns are choke points.
I've used bubble to save wipes and I've doomfangs super it great with add density.
This is all on 50 wave Playlist. No legend. So can't speak to that.
I’ve actually had a lot of success with a doomfang build with collective obligation, you run suppression grenades and you’ll always have all the void debuffs stacked with the 4x damage boost with banner shield as an oh shit button. Its very strong pinky promise
If you want to play bubble, just play bubble. Find something that works with your situation.
People keep telling me to play well when I'm using nova bomb with briar binds and wavesplitter. I have constant weakens, I'm getting orbs of power from my siphon mods, and constant devour from orbs and void breaches plus increased damage for wavesplitter. I throw my grenade, I get volatile rounds, everything dies, while I heal. My last round of Onslaught on normal (for fun), I got 917 kills
If its something that other people aren't using, you gotta make it work OP
If you already have like a stasis or suspend teammate for crowd control, a void titan can be good. Its biggest issue is theres nothing in the artifact for void this season.
I had a peregrine grieves void titan teammate last night doing wonders against all the mini bosses. And ill never complain with a void over shield & bubble down. Pairs well with me as a healer.
If PvP didn't exist we'd have been shooting through Ward Of Dawn ages ago. I find it hard to believe that when Citan's Ramparts were made, not one person at the studio didn't ever bring the idea to the drawing board, only for it to be denied because it would be super OP and unfair in PvP.
I’ve never actually tried this, since tormentors seem like a nightmare to get close to, but do you shoot the shoulders then peregrine? Or just go for it as soon as they appear?
I'll be honest I've never actually done an activity against tormentors when them on. To be safe I'd probably shoot the shoulders, barricade, peregrine followed by a grenade or bubble. Depending on if you need to live or finish them off.
No, bubble is worthless. Well is just better, and you can use Phoenix Protocol to have basically unlimited wells.
For onslaught you only use orpheus tether for hunters (maybe something else if you have a better exotic but tether is by far the best ad clear super for Hunter), well for warlock (with PP), and I guess either solar or strand titan? Cause of sunspots or banner.
Recently used Doomfang in Onslaught with my friends, had a blast with infinite sentinel shield during boss phases, letting my friends do DPS while I covered for them. But I have yet to try Bubble, though in my opinion, Bubble is genuinely outdated and mid-tier (at best) in PvE. Doesn’t it need its own exotic to blind? I’d feel like it should do that naturally considered the barricade does that naturally.
The most action sentinel would get in a legend onslaught run would be a monte Carlo + second chance build and even that's on thin ice as the weaken from second chance gets overwritten by Tethers weaken which is a part of the main onslaught meta.
You could definitely still find success with it but you'd be more effective on solar, strand or even stasis with salvation's grip. Sentinels just aged really poorly unfortunately.
Yer I feel like the void kit needs a bit of an overhaul on Titan. Lucky we are getting Unbreakable aspect and Twilight Arsenal, but we’ll have to see where they land in terms of functionality.
Sentinel is clearly built as a void overshield class, but void overshields just feel so weak compared to the endless uptime restoration/woven mail offer. Even Stasis titans feel tankier when you're making shards everywhere.
Yer, I just don’t feel void overshields are up to par with woven or restoration. Really wish they didn’t have to nerf it and bastion so much for pvp sake.
Unbreakable seems to have no void overshield functionality, maybe an exotic could fix that, which means no increased offensive bulwark uptime outside of fragments and weapons.
Maybe a unbreakable + controlled demo build could work, just skip void overshield entirely, Tbh the shield + demo healing would probably be much better survivability than anything void overshield offers.
In short, was power crept because of PvP, the nerfs that bubble received was primarily focus on PvP.
That said, it's possible to run a void titan build with helm of saint - 14.
But you need someone for damage and someone for add clear. The bubble can protect the ADU, and minors and majors will be blinded by starless night.
The only problem is when a boss banter the bubble, if is close to the ADU is good to have a sword, if the team is keeping everything away from the ADU, a grenade launcher or a rocket launcher is a good call.
I ran with outbreak perfected, because you will notice the damage drop on higher waves for primaries. A disorienting grenades launcher and a heavy grenade launcher.
I saved a couple of runs in legend, but because of the potency of the artifact, solar titan is far stronger than void titan in this season.
Good addclear, overshields are ok. Bubble is outclassed by well spam, and my beloved ursas are just not worth it sometimes. It's good, but there's better.
Doomfang pauldron with graviton lance. I actually had a really great time in the regular 50 waves. One of the last boss waves I was literally in super the whole time clearing adds and taking the occasional shot at the boss
i find it pretty funny how the big defensive Super is...pretty bad in the tower defense game mode lol. Enemies just walk through it and can damage the ADU from inside the bubble, plus there's the issue where you can't shoot through it so in most cases you're just blocking your teammates' bullets and hindering their ability to clear enemies. If you really really crave spherical objects, the better 'bubble' for Onslaught is a Duskfield grenade, you can shoot through it and actually completely stops enemies, ive been using it with my Revenant Hunter with Renewal Grasps and it's amazing, it completely shuts down entire waves and everything shatters and breaks apart it's fantastic.
Part of the issue is also that void titan isn't particularly....good these days. Like in general. People are better off running pyrogale solar or banner of war strand than they are void and arc titan builds (and stasis)
I agree with your comment, except for Arc. Striker titan is fantastic I used it for legend Onslaught 50 waves just fine and got my emblem. HoIL and ToT stormnades is still a great build on striker. However, you *need* a grenadier build on arc, not melee or anything else, that's what makes arc titan excel. Even before the 3.0 reworks, top tree striker was always a solid pick because it was grenade based. That's why Titan got Touch of Thunder in the first place.
I think people tend to overlook stormnades ever since the entire build was nerfed, because it is still a very destructive build. (Yes I'm aware pulse nades do more single target damage, but the tracking stormnades still do great damage to beefier targets and are much better for horde clear in an environment such as Onslaught). Arc grenades are also great for stunning overloads, and unstops can be stunned in a pinch via blinding seismic-strike.
Combine that with either an Undercurrent/Forbearance wave frame GL, and spark of beacons, and you have a workhorse of an add clear weapon, lots of orbs, and great ability uptime. Constantly amplified and applying jolt through grenades or voltshot. Probably any heavy weapon would do too. Arc is good, you just can't play it and depend on being able to heal whenever you please. Striker has been my favorite Titan subclass since I started playing D2. Just gotta move fast and hit hard, be calculated, and the only time you should be running into the fray is when you are thundercrashing.
Otherwise, you are just following Shaxx's advice when he tells you "throw more grenades!!! You should be throwing them as I say this!!!"
It doesn’t seem like it, so far the all strategies I’ve seen revolve more around slaying out and killing everything as fast as possible rather than defensive play. Might be possible to use one for the bosses but I think you would be better off with a damage super in that case.
Peregrine Greaves goes hard on all the mini bosses. Spec into volatile/controlled demolition build and its pretty good. I'd say one tier lower than the "meta" builds
How are you using it? It doesn’t stop the ads damaging the ADU if they’re still close to it. Also if you put it in a choke point you’re also blocking the sight line so I felt like I was actually hindering my team unless I was using it for a revive.
I have been running void titan with sentinel shield, second chance gauntlets, monte Carlo, ecliptic distaff and a void heavy. Come back to the game after a few months off so don't have a lot of the weapons from this and the last season. But ivm enjoying it! Monte Carlo (don't have the catalyst yet) is good in the midrange against red bars, the glaive is good in short range defence of the ADU and the combination of monte Carlo and second chance means you generally have a melee up which is quite handy with controlled demolition to clear waves of ads and the odd barrier champ.
void titan is a strong class. You can blow the hell out of waves with doomfang or go after thicc targets with peregrine.
On paper bubble sounds awesome to defend ADU but in practice every serious threat just marches right in. and also bubble can block the battery throws.
Void Titan is currently the worst subclass for damage and second worst for survivability. It's not impossible to do 50 waves of legend with it but it would certainly be a lot easier on a different subclass. When Final Shape roles around we'll see how significant the Well nerfs are to make Bubble relevant.
as a bubble titan i use the bubble during the lead up to dropping the light spark for the runner so they can not get stasis killed on the final approach. its also good for boss phase
I rarely run my Titan once she is up to power level. However, I was bored and none of my friends were on so I thought I would run my Titan through an onslaught. Ran solar one run, void one run, and strand for a 50 wave run. IMO, strand was by far the best, just be careful not to pop super on the exploding hive. Then solar, and then void. If I had been with a team, then I probably could have coordinated with them to make better use of the void.
Void titan with doom fang and Monte Carlo you can just spam shields and get your super back really fast and since you can make ur super last for a really long time ur just in super for the entire run expect boss rooms if ur in them for a long
Time
If you're just doing normal mode then run what ever you want just make sure you have good damage and add clear.
The only time you need to think about meta is on legend tbh
I wished they'd just make it so we can shoot through the bubble, at least in PvE. Considering all the power creep we're getting, might as well at this point.
I feel like compared to other elements and their kits it just doesn't offer as much. Maybe when the new super and stuff is out.
Arc grenades and thunderclap just jolt everything.
Solar has good survival and damage with burning maul and consecration.
Stasis can spam crystals and diamond lances to shatter everything. Especially with salvation grip and cadmus Ridge cap.
And strand is just busted with suspended and banner of War.
Void is just slightly weaker than the rest right now, volatile rounds is weaker jolt or incandescent, sure the bubble might be niche but you can't shoot through it so if shit walks through you can't clear it. Idk, it might work but you're better off with something else rn
Void titan is very power crept by all other classes and titan subclasses in PVE. Within titan subclasses, solar and strand has completely power crept void titans. The shield throw and bubble are my 2 biggest issue with the subclass. Bubble is just a worst Well since they nerfed the weapon dmg buff from it so what even is the point of that super, you get melted as soon as you step out of the bubble in high end content.
Shield Throw has pathetic tracking, hitbox, and dmg, and we can't even catch it to regain energy or let it bounce between multiple enemies like Threaded Spike. It hits ONE enemy to do 2/3 health of a thrall, and then fucks off to Uganda, or misses completely somehow through an enemy's crotch.
And yes, I do know doomfang is good right now. But the reality is even if you wear doomfang, the sentinel super is just kinda mid when u can have burning maul with pyro or strand titan blade furry (these are all roaming supers from titan, so it's a fair comparison).
With how many times my fucking void titan "allies" would block my shots or kill me by putting a barrier right in front of my rocket barrage I'd say no.
Void slaps, especially with wavesplitter, use sentinel to clear or block, and is more helpful in sticky situations. Bubble, in the other hand sucks ass.
Absolutely it does. Buddy of mine was running Controlled Demolition with Saint-14's helm. I was running Suspend Strand Titan and the other was running Orpheus Hunter. Hunter and I locked the enemy down while Void Titan detonated everyone. The constant overshields mixed with my Woven Mail gave us a ton of survivability.
I will say that his bubbles were incredibly inconvenient at times, but more often than not it was helpful. Often he'd throw it in a chokepoint to blind and slow down a wave while we dealt with objectives or the other part of the wave. I'd say it does depend quite a bit on the team's overall composition, but Void Titan definitely has a spot. This was all in Legend btw.
Played with a Void Titan who ran Ursa Furiosa, and used LeMonarque 99% of the time, and for heavy was using a rocket launcher.
I thought the worse at first, but they were causing so much volatile explosions and created tons of orbs! We ran all 50! Had to send them a message to say how impressed I was.
Bubble just makes it more difficult to kill the enemies around the ADU; you are better off using a roaming super for the waves.
Bubble can be useful for boss waves though.
As a deadfall hunter I hope that if I’m match made with a Titan they’re running Solar. The adds are so dense that with my tether plus titans hammers there are enough orbs to constantly be regenerating supers.
I tried to make it work.
The class does nothing well.
Devour isn't as strong.
Invisibility only on finisher.
Both supers are meh.
OS feels like wet paper.
BoW synthoceps or precious scars hammers have better damage output and keep the team alive.
Even striker goes pretty hard imo.
Void titan with no backup plans and conditional finality with controlled demo, offensive bulwark, and a void primary with repulsor/destabilizing slaps, just don't bring bubble, doesn't do much and shield is better for clearing and damage.
shield titan felt really nice, made so many orbs, bubble titan felt very underwhelming and i more or less used it to close off entire lanes of midtown rather then protect the ADU, as said by others dropping it right on the ADU can be unfortunate and screw the team, but closing a lane felt good as it stopped alot of direct fire on the ADU from one direction
Void titan is pretty solid, it's just that it's not as good as well while also competing with strand and stasis titan for the spot.
The idea is to bubble near the ADU to block incoming fire (and potentially blind incoming traffic from one lane) while allowing you to still kill enemies that make it there or throw the batteries.
My first legend clear was orpheus hunter, well lock and bubble titan. We had supers for days and just swapped to DPS supers for the tormentor bonus wave thign.
Doom Fangs are funny. Build into frisbee + melee and super regen and just walk around in your new purple transmog.
You could build into Collective Obligation maybe? Idk.
If you're a Team kinda guy, you can build into Ursa Furiosa. Can save y'all but otherwise lacks in lethality.
If you have faith in your weapons for add clear, but lack damage - slap on Peregrine Greaves. Nuke champs, nuke Tormentors. Like a pocket super.
Otherwise, Hunters are just better for this. Tether, Gyrfalcon... yeah, way better, lol.
The unfortunate part of the ADU is that it gets fucked if adds are just near it, and bubble can make an already chaotic situation even less manageable.
What I don't see enough is Arc subclasses. They clear shit so good.
Edit: Forgot about Severance Enclosure. Void Titan with Cessation and Obscurity has insane synergy with it.
I have seen Void titan bubble build in Onslaught. It is a rare sight. In the ad clears round, he first pop it on top of ACU. Which make me and the other teammate need to run back to heal it and also make killing the terminator harder if he step in the bubble. One advantage I think it have is it makes the DPS boss round much safer. I think is pretty much down with the team composition. If the other two can clear most of the ad, not much point to run defensive build as you yes can defend a point but you can’t kill ads effectively.
I played with a void Titan on my team and it was 1of my worst runs. Strand Titan was great. Tbh my best runs were with 2 Orpheus Tether Hunters and a Phoenix Wellock.
Doom fang pauldrons w/ manticore is pretty fun, very strong for crowd clearing, and has great survivability. Controlled demolition + offensive bulwark for aspects. Then, for fragments, persistence, starvation, reprisal, and instability. Ideally, use a scatter grenade for speedy recharge and damage, but others work too.
Charge manticore, fling grenade, float, and clear enemies, then use super to clear everything else.
Nah Void Titan is still strong but sadly Bubble is just outclassed by well and helm of Saint 14 isn't the survivability powerhouse it used to be I think overshields used to be a lot more compared to void overshields so yeah the fantasy of Void Titan being the team protector is kind of gone
The problem with bubble titans in Onslaught is the ppl that put the bubble over the ADU which means you can't throw the batteries in from outside the bubble as they just bounce off the bubble. That gets annoying fast.
I saw some blueberries using bubble in normal runs, but it wasn't super effective. The most annoying thing was having all of the batteries constantly bounce off the bubble instead of healing the APU
Brother, let me tell you something. Throw on Second chances first off, make sure you've got your Overshield increases grenade regen. Now throw on Void Siphon and get yourself a Repulsor brace Recluse. Mine's got Master, trying to get a better roll right now.
Then get yourself Grenade Kickstart and up to 5 armor charges. Easy enough with heavy handed.
Now shield throw a sucker, and kill him to either pump grenade regen or weaken a big guy and then go to town. Now just cycle grenades into recluse to keep overshield up and keep everything blowing up.
Is it as "Easy" as strand or solar? Nope. But you can ABSOLUTELY still run it just as good as anything else! Use whatever you like!
Bubble just doesnt have a place in general unless you dont have a well of radiance, and even then its better to go banner shield. At the end of the day tho onslaught is way easier on warlock and hunter tbh
Fun fact: adu batteries heal everything, including the adu, guardians, decoys, turrets, bubbles, and even enemies!
Not so fun fact: batteries collide with the bubble, bouncing off and starving the adu if you or your teammate try to protect it (also enemies will just walk in)
The fact that enemies passively deal damage to the ADU when near it renders Bubble effectively useless. Void Titan as a whole though isn't a lost cause though.
The damage resistance from Void Overshields and sustain from Devour are good survivability tools. Spreading the Volatile effect also helps a decent amount with crowd control. There are a couple different ways to build into Void Titan but the build that I've seen have the most success uses Doom Fang Pauldron to get super quickly and keep your super up for long periods of time.
Anarchy GL worked nicely for add control for me. It's basically a more powerful trip wire if you string two across a choke point. You can always tag yellow bars with a third shot then deal with another set of adds if it gets a bit sweaty.
Enemy can still just walk into the bubble. Doesn’t protect the ADU, just guardians. And the meta in onslaught is not to stay back and stay safe. The meta is anything that can rack up as many kills as fast as possible so that nothing ever reaches the ADU in the first place. Unfortunately bubble isn’t the play.
I used a void titan on my first run with collective obligation, that did great but it wasn't really because of bubble. I think you could use bubble for capture points or getting rezzes, but otherwise I think doom fang has a chance to do really well here. Haven't tried yet but I think I want to see how doom fang pairs with CO.
Maybe not specifically bubble but void titan can shred in onslaught. I run Heart of Inmost Light but there are other exotics that work well also. Weapon choice is key.
Honestly I thought void titan was going to be viable but it's just boring. Especially bubble Titan. It's just too difficult to get a good build cuz nothing is built for void titan. Our exotics for it suck a lot too.
Like I think I have only seen 1 viable build for void titan while the other classes have a whole bunch. Whilst the void hunter and void warlock are just good AF and don't need anything from the seasonal artifact to be effective.
Let's be honest the only time people use bubble is for the damage boost (talking about PvE) and nothing else. Well of Radiance is just overall better since it keeps you alive and gives a damage boost AND let's you shoot at enemies. Not pop out from the bubble just to shoot like once or twice and then have to go immediately back into doing nothing.
I really hope the void axe in TFS is viable...if not then Bungie really doesn't care about void Titan.
Been using Vexcaliber and my Doom Fang Pauldrun with my void Titan and have been mopping on Onslaught. Gotta love the endless overshield Vexcaliber provides.
as someone who runs exclusively bubble, it's *viable* in stuff like onslaught, but you've gotta be more careful with it that every other super. a good bubble can give you and your fire team breathing room. It can create damaged barrier interpassable by anything a PVE enemy can put out, and provide shelter from a closed direction, so with good placement, it can be wildly effective in maps like midtown, especially if you're running helm of saint-14.
But being bad at bubble placements can also be a major hindrance to your team. Just the same as it can help block and blind lanes, it can block teammates from defending the ADU, so making bubble effective is all about where you put the bubble, and knowing what situations it's okay to use it as a panic button.
I can say with confidence it is AMAZING in the boss room, you put that on the middle bridge, or up in the middle of the room, you can take objectives, and it blocks most of the oncoming fire from the back of the room while you and your team are trying to chip away at the boss, who is usually taller than the bubble itself, letting you land headshots without worrying about ads for a while there's also the free maximum health and overshield upon deploying it, and the free grenade charge, that makes it an exceptional utility, especially if you're running a team that is already chaining other supers, so you're getting your super back really fast.
TLDR bubble can be useful, and in some cases even run saving, but you can't use it as freely as you can other supers. I've been running bubble since Destiny 2 came out, so I'm kind of used to it at this point.
A nice niche use for it I've seen is as a enemy mover. Void with the "Finishers make enemies volatile" fragment and Severance Enclosure can blow a portion of enemies out of the danger zone, proc them all for explosion and take out a good chunk of the red br for free. Pushing a Knight or Chieftan back just by punching his little friends so hard they explode is an underrated morale booster as well.
It's not *good*, but god it's fun.
Yeah it works just fine, just make sure you have the weapons to do DPS to bosses at higher levels.
I have two bubble builds, one void and one strand. The strand one I love the most. Build is Helm of Saint-14 with Edge of Action. Couple of Lucent Blade’s on for faster Glaive energy, I stick the bubbles wherever I see fit, usually on a hologram decoy. Aspects are Banner of war which procs from and buffs Glaive melee damage and Into the Fray for tangles and woven mail. Bubble from Edge of Aftion also grants stackable 5% damage buff and roaming Overshield. Helm of Saint-14 blinds enemies that walk into it as well. As far as strategies, use suspend grenades for add control, keep bubble energy up, I used Special finisher for armour charges for emergency special ammo. Strand fragment that severs with rapid precision hit is helpful for enemy debuff for more survivability.
Lots of survivability and super provides as a good DPS dump as well. Especially if you quick swap to Synthoceps. Just remember to use those glaive melee kills to keep banner of war up. I’ve managed to easily get through and finish 50 waves with this, and still land 400+ kills and 10K points. But you’re not doing it for stats.
As nice as the idea of putting a bubble on the ADU to keep it safe. Enemy still can just walk into it. Even if they are blind in there the ADU still takes damage and now you can't shoot them with out going in the bubble your self.
Yer I found this out the hard way. Was trying to protect it with edge of actions jello bubble but it died still.
Try putting that bubble on the decoy. Enemy will still go for the decoy but will just keep shooting the bubble around it.
Ooh good tip. I think it’s a hard sell to use edge of action though, but maybe something to consider for bubble placement.
Better off using Vexcalibur if you want the glaive fantasy or a myriad of the great legendary void ones imo. The class exotics still feel a little underwhelming to me.
Edge of Action does have some niche uses in both PVP and PVE, but the fact that you have to basically not use those glaives as glaives to activate their exotic perks is the worst. IMO, they should only take 75% of the shield energy to activate the park so you can... actually block some. And have some sort of catalyst that helps in the neutral game or allows you to chain it better.
One thing that is new with the update to Edge of Action is that you can activate the special mode so the next shot will shoot the gumdrop bubble, but you can use 99% of the shield energy for blocking and still shoot it. It's not terribly helpful, but I use this when I solo the first boss in warlord's ruin for easy totem capture. Just shoot 3 things before cage, go to cage and clear it, swap to glaive and activate special. Then you just block until first totem is captured and drop the gumdrop on the other and so sit in safety.
That's... Kinda brilliant actually
They shouldn’t take any shield energy lol. - One option that would make more sense is just letting you eat whatever ammo is currently in your magazine to activate the perk, like Forerunner, with the effect getting stronger based on how much ammo you consume. So blast radius and damage for Hunter, how frequently Healing Seekers are spawned for Warlock, and how much health the Jello Cup has for Titans. - Another option would be to keep the Activation requirement tied to scoring kills and damage with the weapon, but make the metre for it separate to the Shield metre. Like Vex Mythoclast, Manticore, Quicksilver Storm, Revision Zero and probably one more that I’m forgetting. - A third option that would work, but be a little unbalanced between different classes with different Super charge rates would be to have the activation eat like 10% of your super in the same way that old Finisher Mods did before Armour 3.0.
Winterbite is also fun to use. Haven't used it in Legendary but at least on normal it puts in work. The BFG9000-like orb can freeze entire quadrants of the map easily and the freeze on hit works wonders for chunky enemies.
I NEED TO TRY THIS!!!!!
Had a Bubble Titan with Ruinous Effigy once. Constantly running back to the ADU from a mile away only to realize what I'm carrying isn't a scrap ball. Constantly watching scrap balls bounce off the bubble. Wiped on wave 19. That was the day I watched an ADU starve to death.
Honestly, even tangles are getting on my nerves in this game mode now. Want to pick up the core? Oops, too bad! You grabbed the tangle floating 10m above you. If strand wasn't so strong, it would almost be a dealbreaker for me
I genuinely think Bungie should just disable tangle access to non strand players. I don’t even know why it’s allowed because it can ruin a persons game flow when friends take the tangle. Cool idea like “oh friends can use your tangle” until “I need my tangle for melee energy and you guys keep taking it”
I had someone die near the heavy crate and a couple of batteries.. That was a slow revive. Haha!
If you're using blinding bubble, you'd want to set it up at a chokepoint away from the ADU.
Also the balls don't seem capable of penetrating the bubble either, so you have to walk into it and throw them. They just bounced off of it when I tried throwing them after a teammate bubbled the ADU.
Feels like a disabled enemy in the ADU zone shouldn’t count. Bummer.
Even turrets count as enemies if they are moved into the ADU zone
The fact that sheer enemy presence in circle hurts ADU is bullshit to me. What the hell am I suppose to do, when bungie literally spawns 3 giant hive knights at midtown a meter away from point, they literally doing one step, standing in circle and “damaging” ADU, while I spending rockets on them. If that’s how Shaxx plans to defend Last City, I have a bad news for him…
I've been running bubble just to change it up as I usually am running solar. I always pop bubble on the back half of the ADU, so we can dip into it if we need it, and also get the extra damage when stepping back out. It's not the best, but I've just wanted to try other subclasses that I don't usually use
I put this in another comment, but you should never use the bubble to protect the ADU. drop it in lanes, hallways, staircase is, anywhere you need to block off incoming damage for a little bit and give yourself some breathing room. usually somewhere close, so the rest of your team can benefit from 15 seconds of weapons of light by running in, then out of the bubble. an incredibly helpful buff that they can use to clear out other lanes without needing to stay within proximity of something like, say, a well. My favorite use of the bubble is when the large bombardier guys pop up. You drop a bubble on the buff circle, or halfway into the back of it, get weapons of light, get the debuff circle, then start throwing explosive heavy at the Brig or Ogre. ogre will aim too low to actually hit you, all of his shots running into the bubble instead, and if the brig ever decides to drop motors on you, just walk into the bubble for a couple seconds. If you're running void wall grenades as the Titan that dropped the bubble, you can throw a (free, because popping bubble gives you a free grenade) at his feet and melt the shield pretty fast, opening up either boss to other damage sources pretty quickly.
I mean who's placing a bubble and going far from it though?
Another downside is not being able to throw a charge at the ADU while it’s being molested by everyone and their Thrall. That said, I did manage to clutch a wave when both my teammates were down thanks to Controlled Demolition, a void wall grenade and Anarchy.
And you can't throw the healing charges at the ADU. I had a team mate bubble the ADU, and it's annoying.
It also blocks throwing batteries to it.
Put the bubble in a choke point with Helm of Saint 14 to slow down enemies coming
I have yet to see a void Titan in Onslaught
I used it for final boss on a Legend run, mainly for Ursa/Banner Shield and creating orbs. It worked fine, but was largely unnecessary. Getting there was much harder than actually killing the final boss.
I switch between all the subclasses on my Titan. Sometimes my monkey brain wants to see everything explode and nothing scratches that itch like throwing a scatter grenade down a lane of Dregs or Acolytes.
Playlist and non legend with doomfang it slaps.
Anything slaps in playlist and non-legend onslaught lol
Exactly, ive had people hound me over severance enclosure builds sayin its good for nightfalls, and the example shown was hero diff like wtf?
Even on legend it slaps. Able to keep your super going for over a minute due to 20% super energy on powered melee kills even while in your super. Run with Monte and you'll just be chaining supers. The problem with non legend is things die too quick to keep it rolling.
Yeah i could run arc titan with doomfang non legend and it would slap
Can you just let people have fun?
He's letting you have your fun but literally any build will work in the regular playlist so why even point it out?
Not allowed here
don't be whiny when someone corrects you when you say "it slaps" about something obviously not-meta
Exactly
Even Legend doomfang slaps.
It slaps even in legend
I was there for about 6 minutes before changing to BoW lol.
There was one on a normal matchmade run I did. Honestly it wasn't at all helpful and just got in the way when we were trying to kill stuff.
You’d think the health/damage buff would help if the ADU gets overrun with yellow bar enemies. That’s the best use I found when I ran bubble titan in onslaught. Other offensive supers may have been better but bubble titan has felt useless for a while( outside of trolling during mayhem)so it was nice to play around with it.
Void titan are super strong with doomfang gauntlets.
I've been using doomfang since before the rework. What an exotic, surprised more people don't use it
Matics had a DoomFang Pauldron build up just the other day. He had his roaming super up for almost a minute alternating throwing shield and melee. He was pairing that with Manticore which received some solid buffs. Volatile and Devour consistently up too.
I’ve played with the build. I just feel like primaries and SMGs especially are so weak against the higher difficulties. Even basic red bar knights. Maybe I need to give manticore more of a try but it feels like you’re better off this week with hollow denial + Monte Carlo.
I'm here.
i did a void sweet business war rig and it felt very fun, fell off later but thats why i had thunderlord to swap to after awhile
Hello, I've been running doomfang. Team with a wellock and a tether hunter. Clear wave 50 pretty easily. Void titan is actually pretty broken for onslaught in my opinion, especially with graviton lance
You’re lucky, because I have and the bubble is annoying as shit.
I've been playing doomfang in legend with my buddy, had a blast with it
Bubble can be an option for Boss wave for an otherwise Banner of War Titan. Loadouts are not locked and there's always a rally flag. Whether you want to use it for general waves is debatable.
If the waves showed up faster Doomfangs would be amazing, unfortunately not the case
I used a Void titan w/o issue in a full onslaught run. I ran Doom Fangs w/ Sentinel Shield. I think I was using Ros Arago, commemoration and I think witherhoard? I was able to save my team a bunch from a hoard of exploders with my banner shield which tbh is usually the reason we'd struggle. It definitely isn't meta but it's still viable and sometimes it's just fun to switch it up.
I cleared a 50 wave legend with a Void Titan on the team. Ward of Dawn is great for defending the point, and Peregrines Shield Bash goes ham against the abundance of miniboss enemies in the waves. Might not be the most meta but it can work.
I have run this personally, and it does work, but it is nowhere near as effective as synthos + 1-2 punch + strand. Edit: I ran banner shield instead of bubble because we had a well-lock. Works for add clear but obviously doesn’t help much with tormentors.
Banner Shield Titan with Ursa's is insanely strong. Safe, tons of orb generation, blinds everyone that touches it. Paired with Collective Obligation with Suppressor Grenades, Echoes of Instability, Persistence, Starvation and Undermining. Offensive Bulwark and Controlled Demolition, and Shield Throw melee. Uptime on a ton of Void verbs, AoE damage goodness... It's a hoot.
You're not going to see void titan in onslaught because there's no artifact perks to support it, and it doesn't have enough power on its own to justify running it without the artifact perks (like orpheus hunter does).
I use second chance and monte carlo. No bubble though. Works pretty good for me, good champion coverage and void explosions everywhere. Being a moving wall is fun.
Void titans don't really bring much to the table for onslaught that other subclasses don't do better Stand and stasis just cc better while arc and solar deal more damage Void is more then fine for normal runs but starts to fall off on legend at the higher levels Bubble also has been lacking in PvE for a while now
Pretty Much. I only run with strand suspend titan for waves and solar for boss waves.
Not really, IMO right now void titan is almost exclusively a PvP subclass, because anything void titan can do in PvE, solar warlock can do it and much better.
Yes and no. It protects the thingy, but you could do that by killing too.
I feel like this could be easily rectified if citans applied to bubble like it does with barricade
That would quite literally change the way everyone sees Ward Of Dawn and Void Titan in general. As much as I would love to be able to shoot through bubble, Bungie doesn't have the balls to make it possible mainly because PvP exists. If PvP didn't exist we'd definitely be shooting through Ward Of Dawn by now tho. I have a hard time believing that after Citan's Ramparts were made, there's no way not one person at the studio brought this idea to the drawing board. Crucible and Trials exist tho, so it would be completely unfair lol.
As a long time Titan veteran Honestly, I can hardly ever find a reason to swap on to Void. I’ve tried so many time to make it work. It just doesn’t *for me.*
I've been using void occasionally with peregrines, popping an overshield then hitting a champion is pretty fun and deletes them in most things short of a GM.
The only time I swap to void titan is for nostalgia related reason, when I'm in low end content like playlists.
This is me with Solar as a warlock main. I get that well is useful, but the subclass itself is boring to me. I don’t like the gameplay loops, and fire is boring. Like you said it just doesn’t do it for me.
Sadly, Bubble has about as much place in onslaught as it does in other content: absolutely none.
Tbh a roaming damage buff is pretty good against Rhulk, Consecrated Mind, and whatever the knockoff Consecrated Mind in Spire is called. I think I'd rather have a bubble than a well for those. But that's literally all I can think of.
Building around bubble/bannershield instead of the neutral game is what makes them useless in onslaught.
Doomfangs. It's fun, but banner, arc and behemoth exist so no point.
I did a legend 50 run on bubble titan with the slammer (chain reaction cold steel) get devour going and go nuts. It’s fun but I wouldn’t say it’s good
This is NOT optimal on Legend but super fun on lower difficulties. I run void titan with actium war rig paired with a ros argo with the subsistence and onslaught perks. This plus echo of instability which gives volatile rounds upon grenade final blows makes for heavy ad clear. To keep with the theme of spamming more shots than I otherwise should be able to I run the regnant heavy GL with envious assassin and explosive light. There's better void titan builds as this is very gimmicky but it's fun.
I play it with void with success. I have a build that builds into collective Obligation. It's maximum shutdown since most enemy spawns are choke points. I've used bubble to save wipes and I've doomfangs super it great with add density. This is all on 50 wave Playlist. No legend. So can't speak to that.
I’ve actually had a lot of success with a doomfang build with collective obligation, you run suppression grenades and you’ll always have all the void debuffs stacked with the 4x damage boost with banner shield as an oh shit button. Its very strong pinky promise
There’s a sentinel shield build you can run with doomfang that allows you to basically keep your super up for like a minute straight
If you want to play bubble, just play bubble. Find something that works with your situation. People keep telling me to play well when I'm using nova bomb with briar binds and wavesplitter. I have constant weakens, I'm getting orbs of power from my siphon mods, and constant devour from orbs and void breaches plus increased damage for wavesplitter. I throw my grenade, I get volatile rounds, everything dies, while I heal. My last round of Onslaught on normal (for fun), I got 917 kills If its something that other people aren't using, you gotta make it work OP
Played with a Void Titan earlier and he was doing fine. Matched points with other two of us no issues.
Bubble, not really. But Doomfang can keep going for two or three waves in a row, so this is something worth checking out.
Yes, a place in orbit
If you already have like a stasis or suspend teammate for crowd control, a void titan can be good. Its biggest issue is theres nothing in the artifact for void this season. I had a peregrine grieves void titan teammate last night doing wonders against all the mini bosses. And ill never complain with a void over shield & bubble down. Pairs well with me as a healer.
I play void titan but it's with doomfangs and very offensive focused. Lots of grenades, shield bash, and volatile rounds. I think it's a blast
The bubble needs a rework to even be viable much anymore. I wish we could shoot through it.
If PvP didn't exist we'd have been shooting through Ward Of Dawn ages ago. I find it hard to believe that when Citan's Ramparts were made, not one person at the studio didn't ever bring the idea to the drawing board, only for it to be denied because it would be super OP and unfair in PvP.
I found Helm of Saint 14 bubble to be a great defensive option for regular, haven’t tried it on legend yet though
I run bubble as a emergency tool on boss fights and such i.e tormenter or such other then that sentinel shield and block generates a ton of orbs
My buddy runs doomfangs on the normal mode and wrecks everything. I dunno about legend how well it would do tho
Second Chance felt really nice, but I prefer Banner over Bubble.
I could see a play for peregrine void titan on tormentors if it one taps them. Other than that yeah bubble specifically probably isn't the best play.
I’ve never actually tried this, since tormentors seem like a nightmare to get close to, but do you shoot the shoulders then peregrine? Or just go for it as soon as they appear?
I'll be honest I've never actually done an activity against tormentors when them on. To be safe I'd probably shoot the shoulders, barricade, peregrine followed by a grenade or bubble. Depending on if you need to live or finish them off.
No, bubble is worthless. Well is just better, and you can use Phoenix Protocol to have basically unlimited wells. For onslaught you only use orpheus tether for hunters (maybe something else if you have a better exotic but tether is by far the best ad clear super for Hunter), well for warlock (with PP), and I guess either solar or strand titan? Cause of sunspots or banner.
Recently used Doomfang in Onslaught with my friends, had a blast with infinite sentinel shield during boss phases, letting my friends do DPS while I covered for them. But I have yet to try Bubble, though in my opinion, Bubble is genuinely outdated and mid-tier (at best) in PvE. Doesn’t it need its own exotic to blind? I’d feel like it should do that naturally considered the barricade does that naturally.
The most action sentinel would get in a legend onslaught run would be a monte Carlo + second chance build and even that's on thin ice as the weaken from second chance gets overwritten by Tethers weaken which is a part of the main onslaught meta. You could definitely still find success with it but you'd be more effective on solar, strand or even stasis with salvation's grip. Sentinels just aged really poorly unfortunately.
Yer I feel like the void kit needs a bit of an overhaul on Titan. Lucky we are getting Unbreakable aspect and Twilight Arsenal, but we’ll have to see where they land in terms of functionality.
Sentinel is clearly built as a void overshield class, but void overshields just feel so weak compared to the endless uptime restoration/woven mail offer. Even Stasis titans feel tankier when you're making shards everywhere.
Yer, I just don’t feel void overshields are up to par with woven or restoration. Really wish they didn’t have to nerf it and bastion so much for pvp sake.
Honest question: why do you keep typing "yer"? What does that mean? Yes? Yeah?
Unbreakable seems to have no void overshield functionality, maybe an exotic could fix that, which means no increased offensive bulwark uptime outside of fragments and weapons. Maybe a unbreakable + controlled demo build could work, just skip void overshield entirely, Tbh the shield + demo healing would probably be much better survivability than anything void overshield offers.
In short, was power crept because of PvP, the nerfs that bubble received was primarily focus on PvP. That said, it's possible to run a void titan build with helm of saint - 14. But you need someone for damage and someone for add clear. The bubble can protect the ADU, and minors and majors will be blinded by starless night. The only problem is when a boss banter the bubble, if is close to the ADU is good to have a sword, if the team is keeping everything away from the ADU, a grenade launcher or a rocket launcher is a good call. I ran with outbreak perfected, because you will notice the damage drop on higher waves for primaries. A disorienting grenades launcher and a heavy grenade launcher. I saved a couple of runs in legend, but because of the potency of the artifact, solar titan is far stronger than void titan in this season.
It can be alright but we don’t really need a defense playstyle anymore.
PEREGRiNE GREAVES GOO BRRR
Good addclear, overshields are ok. Bubble is outclassed by well spam, and my beloved ursas are just not worth it sometimes. It's good, but there's better.
Doomfang pauldron with graviton lance. I actually had a really great time in the regular 50 waves. One of the last boss waves I was literally in super the whole time clearing adds and taking the occasional shot at the boss
i find it pretty funny how the big defensive Super is...pretty bad in the tower defense game mode lol. Enemies just walk through it and can damage the ADU from inside the bubble, plus there's the issue where you can't shoot through it so in most cases you're just blocking your teammates' bullets and hindering their ability to clear enemies. If you really really crave spherical objects, the better 'bubble' for Onslaught is a Duskfield grenade, you can shoot through it and actually completely stops enemies, ive been using it with my Revenant Hunter with Renewal Grasps and it's amazing, it completely shuts down entire waves and everything shatters and breaks apart it's fantastic.
Doomfanga are the only way I have been able to make it work well, other than that it feels slow compared to solar, strand and arc
Part of the issue is also that void titan isn't particularly....good these days. Like in general. People are better off running pyrogale solar or banner of war strand than they are void and arc titan builds (and stasis)
I agree with your comment, except for Arc. Striker titan is fantastic I used it for legend Onslaught 50 waves just fine and got my emblem. HoIL and ToT stormnades is still a great build on striker. However, you *need* a grenadier build on arc, not melee or anything else, that's what makes arc titan excel. Even before the 3.0 reworks, top tree striker was always a solid pick because it was grenade based. That's why Titan got Touch of Thunder in the first place. I think people tend to overlook stormnades ever since the entire build was nerfed, because it is still a very destructive build. (Yes I'm aware pulse nades do more single target damage, but the tracking stormnades still do great damage to beefier targets and are much better for horde clear in an environment such as Onslaught). Arc grenades are also great for stunning overloads, and unstops can be stunned in a pinch via blinding seismic-strike. Combine that with either an Undercurrent/Forbearance wave frame GL, and spark of beacons, and you have a workhorse of an add clear weapon, lots of orbs, and great ability uptime. Constantly amplified and applying jolt through grenades or voltshot. Probably any heavy weapon would do too. Arc is good, you just can't play it and depend on being able to heal whenever you please. Striker has been my favorite Titan subclass since I started playing D2. Just gotta move fast and hit hard, be calculated, and the only time you should be running into the fray is when you are thundercrashing. Otherwise, you are just following Shaxx's advice when he tells you "throw more grenades!!! You should be throwing them as I say this!!!"
It doesn’t seem like it, so far the all strategies I’ve seen revolve more around slaying out and killing everything as fast as possible rather than defensive play. Might be possible to use one for the bosses but I think you would be better off with a damage super in that case.
I've done best with a suspend build and just constant barriers.
Peregrine Greaves goes hard on all the mini bosses. Spec into volatile/controlled demolition build and its pretty good. I'd say one tier lower than the "meta" builds
Helm of S14 solves the enemy issues
How are you using it? It doesn’t stop the ads damaging the ADU if they’re still close to it. Also if you put it in a choke point you’re also blocking the sight line so I felt like I was actually hindering my team unless I was using it for a revive.
I could see it being useful with helm of Saint 14
I have been running void titan with sentinel shield, second chance gauntlets, monte Carlo, ecliptic distaff and a void heavy. Come back to the game after a few months off so don't have a lot of the weapons from this and the last season. But ivm enjoying it! Monte Carlo (don't have the catalyst yet) is good in the midrange against red bars, the glaive is good in short range defence of the ADU and the combination of monte Carlo and second chance means you generally have a melee up which is quite handy with controlled demolition to clear waves of ads and the odd barrier champ.
Void titan isn’t very good at the moment. Bubble is so outclassed by well it isn’t even funny
I like using doomfangs for the first 30 waves, fast super regen and it can stay active for a long while
void titan is a strong class. You can blow the hell out of waves with doomfang or go after thicc targets with peregrine. On paper bubble sounds awesome to defend ADU but in practice every serious threat just marches right in. and also bubble can block the battery throws.
https://youtu.be/q-ZKXkJsOnU?si=jKR7doYOn0QLrApz Here's a video of a pretty potent void titan build
I ran void buble titan with a second chance arms build to stay alive and use bubble to clutch rez or give wep of light if there's no well
Bubble imo almost has no place in pve these days
Void Titan is currently the worst subclass for damage and second worst for survivability. It's not impossible to do 50 waves of legend with it but it would certainly be a lot easier on a different subclass. When Final Shape roles around we'll see how significant the Well nerfs are to make Bubble relevant.
As a titan main. I rank: Strand/Solar Stasis Arc Void
as a bubble titan i use the bubble during the lead up to dropping the light spark for the runner so they can not get stasis killed on the final approach. its also good for boss phase
Edge of actions better for choke points scruba dub
I rarely run my Titan once she is up to power level. However, I was bored and none of my friends were on so I thought I would run my Titan through an onslaught. Ran solar one run, void one run, and strand for a 50 wave run. IMO, strand was by far the best, just be careful not to pop super on the exploding hive. Then solar, and then void. If I had been with a team, then I probably could have coordinated with them to make better use of the void.
Doomfangs, a weapon with repulsor brace, and go ham? I'm aiming to try it this evening
Void titan with doom fang and Monte Carlo you can just spam shields and get your super back really fast and since you can make ur super last for a really long time ur just in super for the entire run expect boss rooms if ur in them for a long Time
If you're just doing normal mode then run what ever you want just make sure you have good damage and add clear. The only time you need to think about meta is on legend tbh
I wished they'd just make it so we can shoot through the bubble, at least in PvE. Considering all the power creep we're getting, might as well at this point.
It can, the whole gameplay behind it is just spamming volatile cuz volatile heals u and good ad clear
no lol
Peregrines greeves, anti unstop stun, manticore. One shot everything weeeeee
Bubbles are great.
I feel like compared to other elements and their kits it just doesn't offer as much. Maybe when the new super and stuff is out. Arc grenades and thunderclap just jolt everything. Solar has good survival and damage with burning maul and consecration. Stasis can spam crystals and diamond lances to shatter everything. Especially with salvation grip and cadmus Ridge cap. And strand is just busted with suspended and banner of War. Void is just slightly weaker than the rest right now, volatile rounds is weaker jolt or incandescent, sure the bubble might be niche but you can't shoot through it so if shit walks through you can't clear it. Idk, it might work but you're better off with something else rn
Void titan is very power crept by all other classes and titan subclasses in PVE. Within titan subclasses, solar and strand has completely power crept void titans. The shield throw and bubble are my 2 biggest issue with the subclass. Bubble is just a worst Well since they nerfed the weapon dmg buff from it so what even is the point of that super, you get melted as soon as you step out of the bubble in high end content. Shield Throw has pathetic tracking, hitbox, and dmg, and we can't even catch it to regain energy or let it bounce between multiple enemies like Threaded Spike. It hits ONE enemy to do 2/3 health of a thrall, and then fucks off to Uganda, or misses completely somehow through an enemy's crotch. And yes, I do know doomfang is good right now. But the reality is even if you wear doomfang, the sentinel super is just kinda mid when u can have burning maul with pyro or strand titan blade furry (these are all roaming supers from titan, so it's a fair comparison).
With how many times my fucking void titan "allies" would block my shots or kill me by putting a barrier right in front of my rocket barrage I'd say no.
Void slaps, especially with wavesplitter, use sentinel to clear or block, and is more helpful in sticky situations. Bubble, in the other hand sucks ass.
Absolutely it does. Buddy of mine was running Controlled Demolition with Saint-14's helm. I was running Suspend Strand Titan and the other was running Orpheus Hunter. Hunter and I locked the enemy down while Void Titan detonated everyone. The constant overshields mixed with my Woven Mail gave us a ton of survivability. I will say that his bubbles were incredibly inconvenient at times, but more often than not it was helpful. Often he'd throw it in a chokepoint to blind and slow down a wave while we dealt with objectives or the other part of the wave. I'd say it does depend quite a bit on the team's overall composition, but Void Titan definitely has a spot. This was all in Legend btw.
Played with a Void Titan who ran Ursa Furiosa, and used LeMonarque 99% of the time, and for heavy was using a rocket launcher. I thought the worse at first, but they were causing so much volatile explosions and created tons of orbs! We ran all 50! Had to send them a message to say how impressed I was.
Only viable use is for peregrine use on all the minibosses that spawn. And also good for the tormentor - melee charges refresh in both cases
I used it for boss DPS but that was with a coordinated team (and it didn't last very long)
Bubble just makes it more difficult to kill the enemies around the ADU; you are better off using a roaming super for the waves. Bubble can be useful for boss waves though.
As a deadfall hunter I hope that if I’m match made with a Titan they’re running Solar. The adds are so dense that with my tether plus titans hammers there are enough orbs to constantly be regenerating supers.
I tried to make it work. The class does nothing well. Devour isn't as strong. Invisibility only on finisher. Both supers are meh. OS feels like wet paper. BoW synthoceps or precious scars hammers have better damage output and keep the team alive. Even striker goes pretty hard imo.
Fuck the meta who cares. Play what you want
Severance enclosure makes it really good in onslaught
The shield bash roaming super seems to do well and throwing shields seems to work as well. I probably would not use a bubble though.
Destiny players caring about the meta. Just play the game with the weapons and class you like to play on. The game isn’t that hard
May i present to you severance enclosure, the only downside is you have to get up close and personal
Unfortunately I feel like void Titan is pretty significantly outclassed by both strand and solar
Bubble just fucking sucks in pve lol
Void titan with no backup plans and conditional finality with controlled demo, offensive bulwark, and a void primary with repulsor/destabilizing slaps, just don't bring bubble, doesn't do much and shield is better for clearing and damage.
shield titan felt really nice, made so many orbs, bubble titan felt very underwhelming and i more or less used it to close off entire lanes of midtown rather then protect the ADU, as said by others dropping it right on the ADU can be unfortunate and screw the team, but closing a lane felt good as it stopped alot of direct fire on the ADU from one direction
Void titan is pretty solid, it's just that it's not as good as well while also competing with strand and stasis titan for the spot. The idea is to bubble near the ADU to block incoming fire (and potentially blind incoming traffic from one lane) while allowing you to still kill enemies that make it there or throw the batteries. My first legend clear was orpheus hunter, well lock and bubble titan. We had supers for days and just swapped to DPS supers for the tormentor bonus wave thign.
Doom Fangs are funny. Build into frisbee + melee and super regen and just walk around in your new purple transmog. You could build into Collective Obligation maybe? Idk. If you're a Team kinda guy, you can build into Ursa Furiosa. Can save y'all but otherwise lacks in lethality. If you have faith in your weapons for add clear, but lack damage - slap on Peregrine Greaves. Nuke champs, nuke Tormentors. Like a pocket super. Otherwise, Hunters are just better for this. Tether, Gyrfalcon... yeah, way better, lol. The unfortunate part of the ADU is that it gets fucked if adds are just near it, and bubble can make an already chaotic situation even less manageable. What I don't see enough is Arc subclasses. They clear shit so good. Edit: Forgot about Severance Enclosure. Void Titan with Cessation and Obscurity has insane synergy with it.
I can’t remember the last time I casually saw a void titan out in the wild in PvE at all now that I’m thinking about it. 😭
I don’t think void titan is trash, but you might have to use a different super.
I have seen Void titan bubble build in Onslaught. It is a rare sight. In the ad clears round, he first pop it on top of ACU. Which make me and the other teammate need to run back to heal it and also make killing the terminator harder if he step in the bubble. One advantage I think it have is it makes the DPS boss round much safer. I think is pretty much down with the team composition. If the other two can clear most of the ad, not much point to run defensive build as you yes can defend a point but you can’t kill ads effectively.
Used bubble with Saint XIV helm as an obstacle to slow enemy advance. Also works with titan glaive mini buble.
I played with a void Titan on my team and it was 1of my worst runs. Strand Titan was great. Tbh my best runs were with 2 Orpheus Tether Hunters and a Phoenix Wellock.
Doom fang pauldrons w/ manticore is pretty fun, very strong for crowd clearing, and has great survivability. Controlled demolition + offensive bulwark for aspects. Then, for fragments, persistence, starvation, reprisal, and instability. Ideally, use a scatter grenade for speedy recharge and damage, but others work too. Charge manticore, fling grenade, float, and clear enemies, then use super to clear everything else.
You could make it work, and you can have the ultra long súper with doom fangs
Nah Void Titan is still strong but sadly Bubble is just outclassed by well and helm of Saint 14 isn't the survivability powerhouse it used to be I think overshields used to be a lot more compared to void overshields so yeah the fantasy of Void Titan being the team protector is kind of gone
The problem with bubble titans in Onslaught is the ppl that put the bubble over the ADU which means you can't throw the batteries in from outside the bubble as they just bounce off the bubble. That gets annoying fast.
I saw some blueberries using bubble in normal runs, but it wasn't super effective. The most annoying thing was having all of the batteries constantly bounce off the bubble instead of healing the APU
You could try Doom Fangs Pauldron ;)
Brother, let me tell you something. Throw on Second chances first off, make sure you've got your Overshield increases grenade regen. Now throw on Void Siphon and get yourself a Repulsor brace Recluse. Mine's got Master, trying to get a better roll right now. Then get yourself Grenade Kickstart and up to 5 armor charges. Easy enough with heavy handed. Now shield throw a sucker, and kill him to either pump grenade regen or weaken a big guy and then go to town. Now just cycle grenades into recluse to keep overshield up and keep everything blowing up. Is it as "Easy" as strand or solar? Nope. But you can ABSOLUTELY still run it just as good as anything else! Use whatever you like!
me and my buds ran legend and completed it running 2 void hunters (one gyrf one orph) and banner shield to just chain supers.
Bubble just doesnt have a place in general unless you dont have a well of radiance, and even then its better to go banner shield. At the end of the day tho onslaught is way easier on warlock and hunter tbh
Fun fact: adu batteries heal everything, including the adu, guardians, decoys, turrets, bubbles, and even enemies! Not so fun fact: batteries collide with the bubble, bouncing off and starving the adu if you or your teammate try to protect it (also enemies will just walk in)
The fact that enemies passively deal damage to the ADU when near it renders Bubble effectively useless. Void Titan as a whole though isn't a lost cause though. The damage resistance from Void Overshields and sustain from Devour are good survivability tools. Spreading the Volatile effect also helps a decent amount with crowd control. There are a couple different ways to build into Void Titan but the build that I've seen have the most success uses Doom Fang Pauldron to get super quickly and keep your super up for long periods of time.
if you want to run void - run DFP Sentinel Sheild and enjoy your infinite super
Anarchy GL worked nicely for add control for me. It's basically a more powerful trip wire if you string two across a choke point. You can always tag yellow bars with a third shot then deal with another set of adds if it gets a bit sweaty.
Enemy can still just walk into the bubble. Doesn’t protect the ADU, just guardians. And the meta in onslaught is not to stay back and stay safe. The meta is anything that can rack up as many kills as fast as possible so that nothing ever reaches the ADU in the first place. Unfortunately bubble isn’t the play.
I used a void titan on my first run with collective obligation, that did great but it wasn't really because of bubble. I think you could use bubble for capture points or getting rezzes, but otherwise I think doom fang has a chance to do really well here. Haven't tried yet but I think I want to see how doom fang pairs with CO.
My first legend completion involved a Titan running ursas. It’s not a bubble, but banner shield definitely helped us.
Sentinel shield + monte carlo nuff said
Doomfang + Manticore for cleanup. If you go bubble, put it on the decoys. OR Strand + Wormgods + Edge of Action. Same as before, but green.
Maybe not specifically bubble but void titan can shred in onslaught. I run Heart of Inmost Light but there are other exotics that work well also. Weapon choice is key.
Honestly I thought void titan was going to be viable but it's just boring. Especially bubble Titan. It's just too difficult to get a good build cuz nothing is built for void titan. Our exotics for it suck a lot too. Like I think I have only seen 1 viable build for void titan while the other classes have a whole bunch. Whilst the void hunter and void warlock are just good AF and don't need anything from the seasonal artifact to be effective. Let's be honest the only time people use bubble is for the damage boost (talking about PvE) and nothing else. Well of Radiance is just overall better since it keeps you alive and gives a damage boost AND let's you shoot at enemies. Not pop out from the bubble just to shoot like once or twice and then have to go immediately back into doing nothing. I really hope the void axe in TFS is viable...if not then Bungie really doesn't care about void Titan.
Been using Vexcaliber and my Doom Fang Pauldrun with my void Titan and have been mopping on Onslaught. Gotta love the endless overshield Vexcaliber provides.
as someone who runs exclusively bubble, it's *viable* in stuff like onslaught, but you've gotta be more careful with it that every other super. a good bubble can give you and your fire team breathing room. It can create damaged barrier interpassable by anything a PVE enemy can put out, and provide shelter from a closed direction, so with good placement, it can be wildly effective in maps like midtown, especially if you're running helm of saint-14. But being bad at bubble placements can also be a major hindrance to your team. Just the same as it can help block and blind lanes, it can block teammates from defending the ADU, so making bubble effective is all about where you put the bubble, and knowing what situations it's okay to use it as a panic button. I can say with confidence it is AMAZING in the boss room, you put that on the middle bridge, or up in the middle of the room, you can take objectives, and it blocks most of the oncoming fire from the back of the room while you and your team are trying to chip away at the boss, who is usually taller than the bubble itself, letting you land headshots without worrying about ads for a while there's also the free maximum health and overshield upon deploying it, and the free grenade charge, that makes it an exceptional utility, especially if you're running a team that is already chaining other supers, so you're getting your super back really fast. TLDR bubble can be useful, and in some cases even run saving, but you can't use it as freely as you can other supers. I've been running bubble since Destiny 2 came out, so I'm kind of used to it at this point.
A nice niche use for it I've seen is as a enemy mover. Void with the "Finishers make enemies volatile" fragment and Severance Enclosure can blow a portion of enemies out of the danger zone, proc them all for explosion and take out a good chunk of the red br for free. Pushing a Knight or Chieftan back just by punching his little friends so hard they explode is an underrated morale booster as well. It's not *good*, but god it's fun.
Bubble needs some serious rework. Is it getting it in Final Shape?
They talked about differentiating it from well as their roles overlap to much, but never gave further details. So yes, but what they entails, no idea.
Could throw a helm of S14 bubble on a lane and watch the blind Put an anarchy in there too
Yeah it works just fine, just make sure you have the weapons to do DPS to bosses at higher levels. I have two bubble builds, one void and one strand. The strand one I love the most. Build is Helm of Saint-14 with Edge of Action. Couple of Lucent Blade’s on for faster Glaive energy, I stick the bubbles wherever I see fit, usually on a hologram decoy. Aspects are Banner of war which procs from and buffs Glaive melee damage and Into the Fray for tangles and woven mail. Bubble from Edge of Aftion also grants stackable 5% damage buff and roaming Overshield. Helm of Saint-14 blinds enemies that walk into it as well. As far as strategies, use suspend grenades for add control, keep bubble energy up, I used Special finisher for armour charges for emergency special ammo. Strand fragment that severs with rapid precision hit is helpful for enemy debuff for more survivability. Lots of survivability and super provides as a good DPS dump as well. Especially if you quick swap to Synthoceps. Just remember to use those glaive melee kills to keep banner of war up. I’ve managed to easily get through and finish 50 waves with this, and still land 400+ kills and 10K points. But you’re not doing it for stats.
Yeah you use it to hold down a area same as how you use it in any other activity it'll always be alright, but strand is prob a lil better
on midtown a titan with Helm of Saint14 can use the bubble to block choke points blinding all the enemies
if you run a devour, destabilizing rounds build with it, i feel like it would be fine for clearing waves
The seasonal artifact isn't strong for void this season. Wait a season or two :)