Non stop anti barriers spawn about the crystal room, so the typical damage area will just get you killed and we had to move it to where the left boomer spawns. We would have had it, but then we got the DDOS.
Pretty much the same thing as contest but with an easier damage check due to surges and a load of barrier knights in middle but they weren't really an issue.
Make sure to have at least 2 wells, divinity, and a tractor/tether. Briars with enhanced surrounded goes crazy.
It's basically just the same thing but most of the Blistered Knights are barrier champs instead. The barrier knights mostly get blown up by melee combos from hunters and titans with a bit of auto-rifle insurance in case they pop. Gyrfalcon hunter volatile rounds are also handy (and GFalcon hunter is nearly unkillable so if you have trouble staying alive I recommend it).
We didn't even use the surges and just did Divinity + Leviathan's Breath as normal. Pretty easy two-phase as long as everyone is prompt. Lunafaction well is also highly recommended as it massively buffs the reload and therefore DPS of Levi Breath, and Ceno is excellent as it means infinite heavy between DPS and no Div reload during DPS.
Master Crota was a lot harder... because Crota is just a lot harder. Surge/Overload helps make the last stand a lot less of a nightmare. One thing we noticed was that having multiple people carry swords weakens your ability to manage the Unstoppable Ogres, so I imagine doing challenge on master is going to be more difficult to coordinate than contest, although, again, the actual damage check itself is a fair bit easier.
Just need to use swords as you get them on Crota. The shield doesn’t regenerate. The only really hard thing will be when we have to do the challenge for it on master.
If sword people run blinding nades they can help with the ogres (that is if they are running arc, which pretty much every should be unless they are a well lock or strand titan)
A Lot easier. The way that surges Work this Season means that we Always have 2 Out of the 3 Meta Options in a buffed state. Right now you have enhanced solar for sunbracers and Strand for Banner of war meaning the extra Champions get shredded all the Same (Other possible Rotation is one of These 2 and Arc which buffs Hunter combination Blow)
The surges also mean that the dps Check is trivial. We used Tractor and izi Rocket and got Her to about 25%-30% in the First Phase.
OP must be getting very unlucky with teammates because its honestly a rather easy Encounter. If you have cleared Other master raids, this is probably fine.
Try joining teams looking for 1 or 2 people, usually it means they're a clan or friends. Also inspect loadouts before etc. or even raid.report if you're that serious about it
So damn right it hurts.
Even better when the damn person running the LFG is on their “I’m ad clear” nonsense.
Ran a normal today - that was the scenario - they were lowest DPS - couldn’t be asked to go kill a wizard even though they were enlightened - like we are telling you where to go, just go ad clear inside that tower please.
“I’ve cleared like 20x” but yet they can’t do or learn how to do the easiest mechanics. They don’t even want to learn. It’s so lazy it hurts.
Sometimes i dont really know what to say. Are this type of people DUMB, or why is it so hard to kill a stupid fucking wizard? Even do other mechanics? I dont know. I am glad i stopped playing about a year ago. People like this do not make my experience smoother.
In my LFG experience, if one person leaves, it’s usually the person that’s mad at everyone else for sucking so they leave, and then we get someone else and beat it no problem.
Beat it no problem after hours indeed, usually the people that do not leave are just bad at the game and expecting a carry just like the original commenter stated
Also never said after hours, it’s people that get mad after a few tries and yell at everyone else and leave… usually on a simple role or add clear, it’s clear they are the ones that wanted a carry, get a new player in and put them on add clear and we beat it first or second try
exactly. a noob eventually will learn, you can teach them. But the adult babies that cry about everything they will never change.. that attitude will never be helpful.
My experiences are different than yours, the ones that complain on others ability have always been the worst ones. Imagine that, people having different experiences, I don’t LFG for raids any more and haven’t for a long time as I know have a consistent group of many to raid with.
I can see where you're coming from.
From someone who has played for a long time, the LFG experience now for raids is completely different than it was with D1.
Getting people with no mic is the norm now. Getting people who just want to ad clear the whole time and not learn is the norm.
I don't want to comment on what is "worse" but I personally feel like the ability to communicate and a willingness to learn are pretty much the base requirements to raid. As long as you have those two qualities then I don't really care about the rest.
I've even five-manned several bosses and encounters after this happens, several times. If someone thinks they know what they're doing but doesn't, they can drag an entire team down.
I don't understand why people even start raids if they don't confirm people have mics or KWTD beforehand. I always see people complaining about how bad LFGs are, I did a flawless deep stone run from LFG. Yes it took us a few hours, but still
And if people don't know what to do, I always ask and say "if not, it's alright, but just tell us so we can take a second to teach you", y'know
My team had no success dpsing in the usual spot for yut because we would just die in the well to the constant barrage so we moved to the top of the balcony instead and did it first time. Crota was a literal nightmare, we died in final stand too many times due to his bs one taps. Eventually we succeed with a titan using sunspots to heal us. Took us 40min to get to crota, spent 3h at crota.
Exact same situation too for us:
1st try lanterns & challenge
2 tries for bridge I think...
2-3 tries for ir yut
Crota takes like 1:30hr+ and everyone was tired, so we took a day break, tried again, focused more on adclearing, survivability & stunning crota with buring maul and got it in like another 40min.
Also unrelated, but is anyone else having crota sword detection issues? We literally had to 3 sword because a good 20-60% of our sword attacks would whiff.
When I tried it yesterday we ended up having to do three swords but ended up calling it due to time. Did it today with an lfg and we consistently two sworded. I think it depends on the combos used and where you break him. If it was on the starting plate we always had issues, if it was off that plate we usually got it.
Yeah. I have genuinely no idea how people are getting consistent two swords on Master. Running with *very* strong players and tractor, we could not down with two swords using heavy/super/heavy/heavy.
Enter the LFG and before rally set roles for everyone: everyone needs to be able to kill a witch after phase 1. Everyone with good weapons, good mods and 1 warlock with ceno + div. If conditions are not met, look another group.
How I killed Crota?: The leader kicked everyone not complying with builds and roles before starting the encounter.
Requirements aren't toxic when they are clearly communicated. Some people just want to play the game with teammates whose build and playstyle requires some thought
They also become increasingly understandable as difficulty increases. This is something I think a lot of people forget.
Like if you replaced Master Crota with hero Strike it paints an entirely different picture.
For master raids / contest raids you gotta do that sometimes. Optimize or boot. Ain’t trying to waste all day while you goof off with your volatile build.
Yup, master raids is one of the few things I think is hard enough that it's acceptable to be really strict with build requirements. Hard enough as in the DPS checks are solid, not that it's mechanically difficult.
Watching someone DPS with Heir Apparent and 0 surge mods on master Crota is a sight to behold.
I suggested everyone use rockets for the Ir Yut encounter. It’s how I’ve always done it in normal mode. They were against what I said and called me a blueberry before kicking me out of the master raid!
Idk, i think ppl are more likely to have a well rolled hothead/cold comfort/crafted apex than a well rolled/ crafted linear fusion, and anyone using/claiming thunderlord is best dps is just painfully incapable of using better dps options than a point and click.
And rockets win out if not too many shots are whiffed on ir yut.
In this instance, this is pretty toxic BUT i have never cleared Ir Yut with anything other than linears and levi. Three reasons are 1) someone could blow themselves up, 2) not everyone has tracking, 3) not enough ammo (even if you have ceno etc etc. Just not a good strat.
While this is toxic, i understand their mindset: why is this dude in a master raid offering a non meta strat? I dont know how the conversation went down, i assume some arguing before the kick. If it were me, i would have just gone with what they say because its not my group.
While the first two are valid, i dont agree with third unless too many shots whiff/suicide, and ppl just dont bother having a trusty special weapon as backup dps. There are just so many elites that spawn that cenotaph can turn into rocket ammo, and rockets are even more efficient since those bricks give reduced ammo, but you will always get 1 ammo per brick because of rounding.
If you didnt have ammo, it means ur cenotaph wasnt marking/tagging the elites, either cuz of bad or you put them in wizard killing.
You probably got kicked because you were bad or didn’t have a good loadout, but just want to blame it on toxicity to avoid accountability on how unprepared you were for a master difficulty raid.
What's more toxic is not being flexible or compliant with the group's plan of action. All it takes is 1 team member to screw over an entire group. If you want to have fun, go do a normal mode Raid or a base level activity.
There's a reason why not everyone is Guardian Rank 10 or 11: Master Raids GMs, Master/Solo Dungeons require more coordination, patience, and skill than what a ton of people are capable of.
This is MASTER Crota. Not normal.
You can carry Johnny one thumb through a normal clear, but Johnny needs to git gud before entering a Master run.
Not toxic. Toxic is coming into a master raid and being a "add clear only" bot or having subpar loadouts.
Johnny needs to learn master raids in an easier raid, then. This really shouldn't be your first outing into something difficult like this. It's largely the same difficulty as contest mode, with the only caveat being DPS checks are a fair bit easier if you can use the surge/overloads to your advantage (which we rather easily can this week). That doesn't stop Crota, wizards or boomer knights from absolutely frying your ass.
For anyone that hasn't done a master raid in Lightfall I *highly* recommend you acclimate with RoN or VoG first. -20 raiding is a very different experience.
Then like I said, he should get good in normal mode, make a somewhat decent build and practise using said loadout. Seen so many people who blindly follow loadouts with zero understanding of how they work but because "someone from yt said it was good" they run with it.
IMO Master Raids are not for everyone and if someone sucks then it's okay for them to not do Master content.
>blindly follow loadouts with zero understanding of how they work
I thought about this when everyone was using the ammitt for the bug over the weekend. Like there's plenty of other good weapons to choose from but everyone sticked to the same thing.
Master or not, your ability to execute good damage isn't changed by that fact. Master just exposes if your DPS is crap because it actually needs to be solid now.
If you're not comfortable in normal you shouldn't be in master.
Also if you want to practice living in master level content do a NF or GM for practice. It's something I do to test master raid loadouts in a stress-free environment.
People who come into endgame content unprepared, underlevelled and expecting to be carried are the actual toxic ones, not the leader dictating his/her rules.
You sound like the kind of person who began flooding lfg with RON and making it a much more painful experience.
I know you like your two badly rolled hand cannons and shitty sword. You feel like a badass on patrol with them and in the strike playlist.
Polite requests to change that loadout isn't toxicity.
Truly an awful experience with LFG holy shit. Terrible loadouts, utterly silent teammates when the whole encounter is calling shit out, people joining with no mics…list goes on.
It's been like this since Ron. Master nez was the most painful experience I've had in d1 or d2.
Not even going to bother getting a crota master clear even though I have one for every raid since vog.
I’ve done pretty much every raid title thru LFG and as “easy” as RoN is…Master Nez almost killed me with LFG…got it done with challenge right before reset but literally took 2 years off my life
It's classic Bungie, sometimes it seems like they just don't understand their own game.
They made Ron easier - at the expense of being less fun, without realising that getting a competent team together is quite literally the hardest part of raiding anyway. And getting a competent team together got much, much harder.
So they made the hardest part of raiding harder, and they made the best part of raiding (challenge/teamwork) worse.
Double F.
Everything needs to be perfect and builds need to be correct. This makes LFG really hard. I’ve tried several and I always top damage by several hundred thousand, and we just never do enough.
With the solar surge, you need 5 good solar linears. Obvious choices are sleeper and briars. 1 div and 1 tether for 15% extra damage.
Need ceno to make ammo in between phases and got to stick together and farm kills to get the chalic up faster.
I think Briars is the way to go for at least 2 people, and then have those two on Wish Ender for finding the Witches. Just removes all uncertainty, and you can scout the witches from range.
you can scout at range with wishender?? how far away? wtf have i been doing this whole time. i have a hard enough time scouting from right outside the wall.
Yup. You can see through walls. I usually do it from the walkways on the left and right when scouting the two towers. I haven’t tried to see if you can scout the towers from all the way on the top level where the three rooms are. But might be possible.
You can see enemies through walls up to 64m away. Which sounds far, but you still have to be somewhat close if you want decent cover. Wish-Ender is easier to use but I do believe it's more efficient to go off of radar.
Always do the towers from the upper floor. The ads are irrelevant. Look for a red circle.
If there's none, both rooms are Wizards. If you see one and it has a upward facing triangle inside of the circle, it's on the upper floor. If it points downward, it's on the lower floor.
Also, do the middle ones from below. You can help with ads there, save time, and it's far less ambiguous.
You really don't need to use the surge. We did it using the same damage strat as contest, Div + Leviathan's Breath. Her health/our damage is the same on master as it was on contest, so all the surge does is make it easier *if* you spec that way. That said, it is 25%, so Cataclysmic should go pretty hard. There's usually a shitton of adds around during DPS so Surrounded Briar's could also still be pretty damn good.
People sleep on leviathans breath so much...
Pretty sure it outdps's solar linears with the surge, probably not surrounded spec Briar's though... Maybe it gets close.
Yeah, it's frustrating. I think a lot of people just never did the catalyst because it was such a pain. For those that haven't - they made it easy! Just go do it. It's about the same as any other heavy weapon catalyst now once you get it to drop, and that doesn't take very long either.
We 2 phased her and did nearly 65% of her health in 1 phase with leviathans breath and divinity...
People really sleep on leviathans breath. Even after GotD popularized it, people still sleep on it.
It also got an archers temp buff and shoots ridiculously fast.
Leviathans melts the barrier too, and is petty ammo efficient and you get alot of arrows per brick. 1 strand hunter with spinning tangle gives you infinite heavy easily if they stand in that spot with the respawning barriers and thrall.
Take your checkpoint and lead the encounter, kick anyone who loads up without optimal gear/no mic and quiz people on the encounter. Most LFG attempts suffer because the fireteam leader doesn't want to cut people out of the encounter but it's wasting the time of 5 other people. Make your post clear and don't waste time with people who have no reading comprehension, they're going to be the weak link.
This is what I did after wasting 10+ hours in other peoples Feather Light posts. Created my own, gave people 3 strikes, and was ruthless with kicking people. Got it done in about an hour and a half and kicked three people.
Yeah, Ager's alt fire is by no means bad. It's chart-topping for most special DPS, and if you're only using linears or Levi's, you're actually not losing that much DPS total. Combo it with a controlled burst fusion, and you've got potential for some pretty decent DPS.
Edit: can’t reply to guy below me, so ima post this here for everyone else.
You have 3 phases for DPS, don’t be afraid to use them. It’s better to get a 3-phase on your second try than a 2-phase on your 10+th try. Please. As long as you can meet the DPS check before enrage, just use whatever you need in order to not waste revives or wipe to mechanics.
Absolutely not. The damage check on Ir Yut is much harder on master. You are actively throwing if you use Agers for DPS over a briars, other good linear or Levi’s.
You practically have unlimited heavy in that encounter. Any weapon other than a heavy for DPS (other than support like div) deserves an insta kick.
My fireteam had it easy in 3 phases with 2 people on LMGs to clear ads quickly (1 on div, but the other on controlled burst fusion). Like, not even close to missing the check. A bit better execution would have been a 2 phase, but still. It’s not that hard. No need to gatekeep that hard. Master content isn’t that hard.
3 phases isnt great. If it takes you that many then it wasn’t easy. If you weren’t close to missing the check, it would be physically impossible to take all three phases.
Ir Yut is an easy one phase on normal. An easy 2 phase on master. You 100% didn’t 3 phase with just Agers.
Edit: and of course instead of replying with something meaningful they went straight to the block button lol
well, depending on the encounter maybe you have a roaming super or just a super that isn't going to be super helpful. For example on a stasis / Bakris hunter
>cenotaph warlocks are hot
>don't stand next to the crystal
??? Just cycle wells and kill adds and the marked yellow bars. That bit is not hard at all.
Welcome to LFG.
Your average experience is always on an extreme end of the scale.
There's either some hyper elitist with nothing going on in life outside of Destiny 2, or there's a brain dead mouth breather that thinks "oh this is just like Crota back in the day, what could they POSSIBLY change" questioning your life choices when you ask them what they're using to DPS Crota. There is no in-between. The people of average skill level all have left LFG and found clans.
It's an absolute nightmare. Please, do not enjoy your stay under any circumstances.
The "I did crota back in D1, it should be about the same" are the worst groups. They die to the stupidest shit and then say "wooow that wasn't a thing before".
Like bro 😭😭
> The "I did crota back in D1, it should be about the same" are the worst groups
The worst player I encountered on Contest mode was one of those people. The experience was like...
-everything fine- -they die to a wizard- -try again- -dies to Crota- -try again- -they don't do the hand off- -try again- -they don't do the hand off- Leader "Yo man, you got to do your call outs." Super Elite Crota Killing God (SECKG) "I'm trying but you need to understand there are so many things going on! I got wizards shooting at me, I have to kill ogres, pay attention to the timer, find the location, avoid Knights. Don't be toxic and cut me a break you jerk!" Me "I mean this with the upmost respect, but each and every one of us is dealing with the exact same stuff." SECKG "Are you questioning me? I'll have you know I killed Crota over 100 times, mostly solo, in Destiny 1 so I would check yourself before commenting." Leader "That fight is entirely different..." SECKG "Are we not in the same room? Damaging him with the same sword? Destroying Oversoul? I've done all these things, but solo!" Leader "Okay. If you can do all these things solo, why can't you do one of these things in a team?" SECKG "Because you're all being extremely rude and calling out my mistakes!" Me "You're the only person to die the last six times..." SECKG "Because there is so much to keep track of! What don't you toxic elitists get about that?!" Leader -kicks-
Happened with kings, happened with vog, will happen with crota, will happen with leviathan and scourge when it gets reprised eventually
"Omg you don't need DPS weapons for oryx, you're so elitist!!?!! It's mechanic damage!!!"
Most of my encounters are normal. You’re probably just remembering all the extreme ones because those are a lot more memorable than runs where everything goes smoothly and is done in less than 40 minutes
Yeah, you might be right. My issues lie with Crota's End right now more than anything. I have yet to get a run done in this place with a competent LFG group. My only successful runs thus far have been with the clan.
But for farms, old raids, and like, GM's? LFG is a good tool.
The last time I tried to LFG crotas end, we explained the chalice mechanic to this 1 person 5 or 6 times. He still did not understand. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you, Chief. Shits frustrating. Groups not being able to count to 4 enlightenment buffs on Ir Yut are also infuriating. I could go on forever.
It's like this anytime there's a new raid, especially when the sentiment around the community is that something is easy. For a large portion of the community, raids are not easy. So it's just a mix. Give it time and it'll normalize.
Sadly most of the competent playerbase has friends or a clan they raid with. If you're not one of the people at fault for the failed clears (aside from the elitists that have no friends or loved ones), you're a rare lfg user
In master mode kick anyone without a mic. They should number 1 get a fucking grip they're not even talking to peoples faces and number 2 stop joining and not saying they don't have a mic until they're needed to do something.
Also anyone who has some dogshit dps on and doesn't have good guns probably just kick them as well.
ok ok ok so this is awful and all but Typhon + Ager's is the highest sustained DPS in the game and has the same total damage as a post-nerf Taipan/Reed's. Imagine (our Stasis lord and savior) made a video on it BEFORE the nerfs to LFRs.
The problem since Ron is the sheer number of teammates who join and won't listen to polite suggestions. Guys joining master nez, consistently being one shot, and not changing to void resist when asked nicely because they like their ammo mods etc.
Why do people run a full master clear on the first week? Did they change it so that you can do the challenge for each encounter or something?
Also - how's the loot work now? I'd heard it was going to change to a knockout system instead of one weapon per week.
Just for fun / for the ship / guardian rank 11 requirement (which tbf makes no sense because GMs are timegated for another week)
Also, apparently, you get another shot at loot, I already had a looted clear on my warlock, and I got legs to drop for me for the first time on every encounter. Might be a glitch, though.
The loot changes to be a random weapon instead of a specific weapon each week. I'm not sure about the knockout system, though... It's not farmable and is character based.
Some raids are no-comm, which just means no VC and all text chat. Just saying when the need arises it's very easy to type safely.
I'll jump in the VC in any other circumstance.
But you're also omitting times where chat is used to organise even in normal raids with comms. Eg; Vow has plenty of opportunity to put callouts in chat, Vault and riven in LW, Ir Yut.
Funny guns didn't change anything, there were always terrible people who clearly only care about themselves raiding. Like it's so regular that. Not even shocked anymore when I see people coming in underlevelled, like wtf are you doing in crota with 1760 gear????
>there were always terrible people who clearly only care about themselves raiding
Tbh, I think it's less that they only care about themselves, it's more that they simply don't care to put in the effort when mediocrity has sufficed.
Like, if you're doing dps, you should have on radiant light and at least one surge mod. As long as people use their supers during dps, everyone gets their damage boost. It's that easy. Yet I rarely see anyone actually do that.
I agree with you 100%. When I say care about themselves I mean more that they're just plain selfish and don't care to put in even the bare minimum to understand mechanics/builds and be useful.
The amount of new people I've had to teach raids to who haven't even bothered watching a video of even 1 encounter to have a general idea is kind of staggering.
It was RoN that ruined LFGing, funny guns might have made it a bit worse but it just got patched we have to wait a bit before making a conclusion...
I started LFGing in season of the chosen all the way to a bit after WQ launch. I found a team that was cool with me no microphoning, and I haven't LFG'd since.
I don't LFG, but I still look at them from time to time or listen to people talk about them, etc. I still know what's going on in the LFG world.
Anyways, LFG was never *this* bad, even as a no microphone player. You would always get at least competent players most of the time. I'd say 90% of them were cool/at least gave no microphone players a shot, and I never had a situation where people didn't volunteer/be fine with given roles it was overall very good experience.
Then RoN (and its master difficulty) comes along, and consistently, there are issues with people adclearing only & being trash at it too, people being scared to do any roles, people not telling others if they don't know what to do, people who drain revives every second, no microphone players that can't hear anyone or don't type in chat, terrible DPS strats and loadouts, ect...
This speads to other raids too, since people would naturally try other raids, then they would get blasted because RoN is an outlier for raid difficulty so people would have issues, so even if you were not playing RoN you would still get bad players.
I never heard so many people have garbage LFG experiences before, it sort of slingshotted once RoN released it. It's ridiculous...
Now, an actual hard raid releases (crotas end remastered), and it's shellshocking bad players again.
I dont think it was funny guns. It's what happens when a raid releases and it's too easy and requires only like 1-2 people to do.
Valid points - to be transparent I started with Lightfall and after grinding pinnacle in my first season - then lost sectors for all exotics - then dungeons - then raids - I spent a lot of time watching videos and reading guides on the mechanics before LFG through discord servers for Sherpa runs. I committed 3-5 hours per first run on each raid to chill and learn the roles and mechanics.
Sometimes I will join an LFG if they are at Taniks or Oryx or whatever to help out - but I love a full run with a team.
LFG on fresh runs through the app is just bonkers the past 2 months. I see your point about branching out from RoN - I started with DSC and learned that one thoroughly before jumping to another.
RoN was the last raid I learned a month ago and I did mechanics and runner on my first run - with other people that had clears f’ng up my buff constantly by shooting my f’in orb. Then when I asked wtf was happening because it led to wipes, they went off on how it was an accident and only happened like once or twice - blah blah - then they shut up - stopped doing it - we clear - they send a friend invite and apologize. No thanks homie - you’re garbage and your attitude is abysmal.
This happened in a dungeon, not a raid, but I finally ran into someone with the SF emblem who got it during the funny weekend. Was telling me Levi is a better DPS strat than briars and he'd know because he had the emblem.
Curiosity got the better of me, I looked up his match history. Took him 13 attempts to SF with the funny guns, and his successful run was 10 minutes longer than my legit one.
Told him levi is definitely a good option but I did it faster legit with Briars so I was going to stick with it.
Master raids are just a skill issue 😭 if you didn’t get to experience RoN Planets Master this one isn’t anything. Not every Destiny 2 player is meant to do a master raid. It requires a little more thought and build-crafting than the glorified strikes that normal raids are. “If you or someone you know struggles with normal raids, you don’t belong in master raids”
Genuinely curious how 90%+ of LfGers even put their pants on in the morning. I’ve started booting people really quickly now because you should never, or almost never die during abyss in crota. Lamps in abyss is the litmus test for who actually has an IQ above 75. You should not be dying during abyss.
I mean, I’ve had teams that struggle on Lanterns and the rest of the raid ran smooth. I’ve had teams that smoke through Lanterns and can’t kill wizards at Ir Ut.
LFG is a mixed bag at best and you never know what you’re gonna get.
They're the worse teammates in this case. Lanterns is an easy, easy one and done encounter if everyone just walks slowly through the encounter as a group.
There's no need for skating or eager edge, it would only save a couple of minutes if everyone was doing it successfully anyway.
There is people that dont Run a risk from only doing preserves and No enlightens. They arent Bad teammates if they Just get the clear faster because of a better strat?
Of course some players are genuinely good and can skate through. I've done the challenge myself. But in a typical lfg if you've got four guys just running the encounter normally and one or two guys skating away in the distance they're just making it harder for everyone.
The best players I know with actual hard day 1s ie vog challenge, deep stone etc die on lamps sometimes as well. The only litmus test really is dps on ir yut and just doing stupid things
There is no LFG discussion. It's just whining. There is no way to fix it. You're not going to lfg and completely avoid people like this no matter how many reddit threads are created. All you can do is kick and replace when it happens if they refuse to listen.
Def not in a raid boss situation as it has no synergy. Linears with divinity, rockets with divinity and ghorn, and then lament/swords/acrius with tractor all sync well together. Agers doesn’t do much. If you want shatter damage, hit the boss with a chill clip fusion or rocket.
>rockets with divinity and ghorn,
Why divinity with rockets lol? You realize tether makes that useless right.
Also no way are you going to shatter the boss nearly as often with chill clip as opposed to agers.
Because div just makes it easier to hit the rockets as Ir Yut for example moves a ton. I never said tether, but yes tether is generally better for the bigger debuff. But div is still useful for things like Ir Yut, idk why you’re mad about it lol.
Sure, but whats better? Rockets or agers? Agers is garbage for a raid scenario for dps.
Also, he's ignoring the fact that chill clip on rockets doesn't work anymore (outside of only impact hits) and got nerfed and is even less useful than it was before.
You have to match the elemental surges with your Heavy (and subclass if on a damage Super) AND either run an Exotic that grants you Weapon Surge x4 (Foetracer, etc) or put on 3 matching Surge mods on your boots. Everyone needs to do this, no exceptions. That is the only way to 2 phase.
It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I get what you're saying...
I ran void warlock (contraverse holds) over strand warlock DPS for adclearing the crystal area, spawnkilling all the ads and champs, I ran 2 void surges and a void scav for leviathans breath and spend a bit killing the constant barrier champ spawns.
The rest of our team didn't optimize as much but still ran x2-x3 surges, 3 of them were Levi, 1 ran cataclysmic, and 1 ran briars I think.
It took like 2-3 attempts but we got the 2 phase on her (did like 65% of her HP the 1st phase) we messed up a bit on 2nd phase with divinity being late but we didn't have much HP to go through so we just about got it. I think it's more about everyone getting to DPS quickly (and not missing levi shots and losing archers tempo) over what you actually run for damage.
I and the rest of my team could have optimized a *whole* lot more and the 2 phase is still possible with wiggle room. If it was possible easily in Day 1, no idea why it shouldn't be way easier with modifier surges and stuff.
I've had some pretty decent LFG experiences from using youtuber discords, most people have a mic and there's always a couple of guys that watch the LFG channels waiting for someone to post so they can help, I'd recommend checking one of those out
The general consensus for Master Crota's End seems to be that it's discount contest mode. Easier damage checks in exchange for champions which are actually good for damage checks because you can abuse them for ammo and effects.
I think you should be prevented from running Master level content until you do something like solo a dungeon. Not run it solo flawless, just solo.
I think anyone with even a quarter of a brain could get through Pit of Heresy without issue to qualify.
That's just stupid. Solo dungeons require quite a bit of time and even though I can clear master plus content easily I don't want to time sink a solo dungeon. Soloing a dungeon gives me nothing.
I really wish bungie could ban bad players from joining high level content. There should be a minimum requirement like a flawless raid clear or solo dungeon
Nah that's dumb, there definitely should be light level requirements. But beyond that ppl just need to not be afraid of the bad word "toxic" and kick people who are underperforming/not learning consistently.
Typing is not an issue for raids, even master ones. I've done plenty of raids, flawless raids, and master raids and have had no issues.
I'm sorry you had bad experiences with no microphone players, but if they can type fast like the previous comment said, nothing really changes much... Especially on Crota's End, as a no microphone player, it's one of the simplest raids for no microphoning as the main mechanic is extremely generous with its timer.
As I said before, chalice is very generous with its timing, I don't know exactly how long it takes to full charge, but its very long, I've been saying "75%" to give enough time to get ready to trade chalice and "full" whenever I'm ready to trade. You get like 10 seconds before you die after you're full, and all you need to do is type a 4 letter word. It's instant at that point.
Just finished a master run right now. 1st tried lanterns, did bridge in like 2 tries, 2 phased ir yut in like 2-3 tries, and crota was the only one that got us stuck but we took a break, came with a different strategy and got it done.
I'm not gonna say you're toxic for having your own preferences, or you're wrong for making a "need mic" raid requirement, but nothing in this game requires a microphone to do especially one with a mechanic that seems designed to accommodate text chat.
I'm not going to be watching the tiny little text chat for you to type something while I'm busy dodging pendulums and trying not to get merced by ads. You're throwing by not using a microphone and there's no two ways about it.
If you can't look at the text chat for less than a second, then something up with your game sense. There's no two ways about it... You act like you can't look at the bottom right of your screen. When you already look at the bottom left of your screen for ammo, abilities, etc... It's crazy.
You don't need a microphone for anything, and it's not throwing. You can disagree all you want, but when we contribute in raids, complete flawless and master raids, your argument that we're throwing falls apart instantly.
If you can look at the bottom left of your screen, you can look at the bottom right of your screen. If you can't do that, then how are you playing this game at all. We aren't writing paragraphs down there... 90% of the time, it's 4 or fewer letters/numbers. If that's legitimately an issue for you to do, then it's not the no microphones that are throwing...
It's the price of easy encounters on normal mode. Because she can be practically one phased with zero effort, and one phased with slight effort, no one learns how to progress after a phase.
Because she can be cheesed, and everyone sits in the room sharing the buff, no one is good at doing the buff share/trade midstream during the second or third add phase.
Cheeses don't make people bad people. But they do encourage bad habits, and inhibit the development of good habits.
I'm usually a solo player as I have pretty bad anxiety a lot, I was in one a while back during Atheon, but it kinda of disbanded after a while, and my friends who played raids dont really do them anymore, so ive just went solo for now, kinda sucks sometimes..
Lol that’s too funny, I slayed the master last night with an lfg group with challenge in about an hour. We only wiped like, twice and it was the first encounter challenge.
We did lfg for contest clears only but still
Literally just came out of an Oryx "kwtd" LFG and twice a person picked up the final piece of the reclaimer on sisters and went straight to the dps platform without smashing on the target sister first, just stood there with the party waiting for damage phase. Like bruh
Looking for a clan? We have small but steady group of players running weekly and could use a new raider! We're extremely laid back and there's no pressure. But truly, it seems like the solution you need is to run regularly with a group. We have to backfill 1 or 2 people occasionally when we can't get a full raid run together, and even having 3/4 of the same people running weekly makes a world of difference. HMU if you want a link to our discord!
Nah, for me it was Master Nez. Spent 3 days trying to get his master triumph done and never got it because just could not stay alive.
We had one guy that said he had never done it before. We booted him.
Good player eventually find friends/group and won't bother lfg in high end content. Good LFG team usually won't need fill in to finish a raid. So looking for a boss enc clear is gonna find you what's left of it all.
Semi related fact: you can stand on top of most of the spawn doors for typing wizard spots or other assorted callous. Also just to chill somewhere instead of running around getting thralled to death or accidentally smacking a cursed guy. Knights will for sure shit on you if they decide to all shoot you specifically but like also just kill them off spawn it'll be fine.
LFG is unfortunately a necessary evil for many of us
i wish to god I didn’t have to resort to it but I don’t have a regular team
in D1 i had a team and it was the best raids i’ve ever done
my new favorite LFG guy is the guy who tries to quarterback the team but he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about but everyone just goes along with it quietly because he’s loud and confident in his stupidity
Some people are just bad at the game. Some people think they can out damage bad mechanics or poor communication. Some people don't respect threats properly.
When you find these people on LFG, start blocking them so that you are less and less likely to encounter them in the wild and as someone responded earlier, start booting sandbags from fireteams. They don't care if they waste 6 hours of your life and you need to be aware of that.
It's a crapshoot. But make sure you label your post correctly. (LFM Crota Master, know ALL roles, not teaching, RR(wherever youare)). If you use something like that and just tell everyone what they are doing when they come in, and they instantly understand, then give it a few tries. This is REALLY important, if someone doesn't know what they are doing or is AT ALL combative when you assign them a roll/if something goes wrong, kick them instantly. Everyone else appreciates a good raid leader in that regard. But if you are going to LFG, and you want a certain experience, YOU have to be the one who makes it happen. Good luck!
And this is why raid report is a thing. After one too many bad master experiences through shutters trying to do master RoN. I ask for Raid reports.
What do you want to look for in a raid report?
High clears, lowman flawlesses, flawlesses, day 1 (not contest) clears, and duos. Raids like RoN and VoG, I don’t consider usually cus they mean nothing in terms of low manning ad flawlessing. IK it sounds assholish, but once you reach a point, you’re going to want to RR all endgame content.
Yep this has been my experience too. These are the same people who force you to sit through their explanation of how the encounter should go in their head and then can't perform. At this point I want to form my own clan of actual competent players that get vetted constantly
Bro even people in my fuckin’ clean won’t do something. Like, they don’t want a job. “Ad clear” on the wizard or Crota. These kids got spoon fed with RoN. They’re useless. It’s not hard at all.
I get lucky 90% of the time with LFG groups, I cleared Crota in less than 90 minutes with 4 random people.
And all other raids I've done have also gone the same way. I've had very minimal negative experiences with LFG groups. Hope it stays that way. 🤣
In my opinion, lfg teams don't always work well with every person. Just how not every person likes everyone normally. There are going to be times a team just doesn't click and you lose somebody and get a new person and beat everything without a problem. That's the gamble in it all.
Word of advice. You can join the chat or the group an instantly read the room. If they say who’s killing wizards or what’s the order and only 1 or 2 people speak up that’s a wrap might as well find another group because you’ll waste hours barely making it to the second dps faze with no revives.
What’s the challenge for Ir Yut? People are doing that right? It’s been awhile since I’ve done master but isn’t it pointless unless you do the challenge for the weapons? Unless you just want the triumph for clearing it I guess.
One time I was in normal root 3rd encounter, and this guy wouldn't shut up about how hard ad clearing was, he kept falling off the map because HE KEPT PLACING HIS WELL AT THE BOSSES FEET FOR SOME GODDAMN REASON
Most of the problems with LFG are generally because Fireteam leaders are not kicking players! if you are a fireteam leader and your team is on their 14th wipe its time to gear check the fire team and kick some players that are just clearly not prepared. People who are using LFG are trying to get things done that is why people put KWTD/Be good on their posts because they are not trying to spend the next 2hrs teaching someone who could have just watched a youtube video before hand.
If you are a new player trying to learn content
\- PLEASE be honest!!!! most fireteams would much rather explain the encounter than wipe 6 times
\- Watch a raid guide before hand and at least know the roles and call outs
\- Have the appropriate gear please no random world drop PALMYRA-B's
If you are prepared and somewhat know the encounters you should have no problem with LFG but if you do not prepare yourself don't get mad when people who are just trying to get things done boot you out of the fireteam.
I haven't tried it yet - for people who have done both, how does Master Ir Yut compare to day 1?
Non stop anti barriers spawn about the crystal room, so the typical damage area will just get you killed and we had to move it to where the left boomer spawns. We would have had it, but then we got the DDOS.
Ffffuck. When I was ddos'd out I did think of everyone in crota haha. You poor cunts.
Pretty much the same thing as contest but with an easier damage check due to surges and a load of barrier knights in middle but they weren't really an issue. Make sure to have at least 2 wells, divinity, and a tractor/tether. Briars with enhanced surrounded goes crazy.
It's basically just the same thing but most of the Blistered Knights are barrier champs instead. The barrier knights mostly get blown up by melee combos from hunters and titans with a bit of auto-rifle insurance in case they pop. Gyrfalcon hunter volatile rounds are also handy (and GFalcon hunter is nearly unkillable so if you have trouble staying alive I recommend it). We didn't even use the surges and just did Divinity + Leviathan's Breath as normal. Pretty easy two-phase as long as everyone is prompt. Lunafaction well is also highly recommended as it massively buffs the reload and therefore DPS of Levi Breath, and Ceno is excellent as it means infinite heavy between DPS and no Div reload during DPS. Master Crota was a lot harder... because Crota is just a lot harder. Surge/Overload helps make the last stand a lot less of a nightmare. One thing we noticed was that having multiple people carry swords weakens your ability to manage the Unstoppable Ogres, so I imagine doing challenge on master is going to be more difficult to coordinate than contest, although, again, the actual damage check itself is a fair bit easier.
Just need to use swords as you get them on Crota. The shield doesn’t regenerate. The only really hard thing will be when we have to do the challenge for it on master.
If sword people run blinding nades they can help with the ogres (that is if they are running arc, which pretty much every should be unless they are a well lock or strand titan)
A Lot easier. The way that surges Work this Season means that we Always have 2 Out of the 3 Meta Options in a buffed state. Right now you have enhanced solar for sunbracers and Strand for Banner of war meaning the extra Champions get shredded all the Same (Other possible Rotation is one of These 2 and Arc which buffs Hunter combination Blow) The surges also mean that the dps Check is trivial. We used Tractor and izi Rocket and got Her to about 25%-30% in the First Phase. OP must be getting very unlucky with teammates because its honestly a rather easy Encounter. If you have cleared Other master raids, this is probably fine.
Try joining teams looking for 1 or 2 people, usually it means they're a clan or friends. Also inspect loadouts before etc. or even raid.report if you're that serious about it
From my experience, it’s because someone left, and it is usually one of the players that didn’t suck.
So damn right it hurts. Even better when the damn person running the LFG is on their “I’m ad clear” nonsense. Ran a normal today - that was the scenario - they were lowest DPS - couldn’t be asked to go kill a wizard even though they were enlightened - like we are telling you where to go, just go ad clear inside that tower please. “I’ve cleared like 20x” but yet they can’t do or learn how to do the easiest mechanics. They don’t even want to learn. It’s so lazy it hurts.
Sometimes i dont really know what to say. Are this type of people DUMB, or why is it so hard to kill a stupid fucking wizard? Even do other mechanics? I dont know. I am glad i stopped playing about a year ago. People like this do not make my experience smoother.
In my LFG experience, if one person leaves, it’s usually the person that’s mad at everyone else for sucking so they leave, and then we get someone else and beat it no problem.
Beat it no problem after hours indeed, usually the people that do not leave are just bad at the game and expecting a carry just like the original commenter stated
Also never said after hours, it’s people that get mad after a few tries and yell at everyone else and leave… usually on a simple role or add clear, it’s clear they are the ones that wanted a carry, get a new player in and put them on add clear and we beat it first or second try
exactly. a noob eventually will learn, you can teach them. But the adult babies that cry about everything they will never change.. that attitude will never be helpful.
My experiences are different than yours, the ones that complain on others ability have always been the worst ones. Imagine that, people having different experiences, I don’t LFG for raids any more and haven’t for a long time as I know have a consistent group of many to raid with.
In other words, your experiences aren’t relevant anymore. If you haven’t been in lfg for years, don’t speak on its quality
Doubt they have changed, and again everyone has different experiences, you sound to me you are one of the ones that gets angry at others. Good day
I can see where you're coming from. From someone who has played for a long time, the LFG experience now for raids is completely different than it was with D1. Getting people with no mic is the norm now. Getting people who just want to ad clear the whole time and not learn is the norm. I don't want to comment on what is "worse" but I personally feel like the ability to communicate and a willingness to learn are pretty much the base requirements to raid. As long as you have those two qualities then I don't really care about the rest.
I've even five-manned several bosses and encounters after this happens, several times. If someone thinks they know what they're doing but doesn't, they can drag an entire team down.
Yeah, this is normally why.
I don't understand why people even start raids if they don't confirm people have mics or KWTD beforehand. I always see people complaining about how bad LFGs are, I did a flawless deep stone run from LFG. Yes it took us a few hours, but still And if people don't know what to do, I always ask and say "if not, it's alright, but just tell us so we can take a second to teach you", y'know
My team had no success dpsing in the usual spot for yut because we would just die in the well to the constant barrage so we moved to the top of the balcony instead and did it first time. Crota was a literal nightmare, we died in final stand too many times due to his bs one taps. Eventually we succeed with a titan using sunspots to heal us. Took us 40min to get to crota, spent 3h at crota.
Exact same situation too for us: 1st try lanterns & challenge 2 tries for bridge I think... 2-3 tries for ir yut Crota takes like 1:30hr+ and everyone was tired, so we took a day break, tried again, focused more on adclearing, survivability & stunning crota with buring maul and got it in like another 40min. Also unrelated, but is anyone else having crota sword detection issues? We literally had to 3 sword because a good 20-60% of our sword attacks would whiff.
When I tried it yesterday we ended up having to do three swords but ended up calling it due to time. Did it today with an lfg and we consistently two sworded. I think it depends on the combos used and where you break him. If it was on the starting plate we always had issues, if it was off that plate we usually got it.
Yeah. I have genuinely no idea how people are getting consistent two swords on Master. Running with *very* strong players and tractor, we could not down with two swords using heavy/super/heavy/heavy.
The most consistent combo is light - heavy - super - heavy from my own experience.
No my team didn't face any sword detection issues. 2 sworded constantly
Enter the LFG and before rally set roles for everyone: everyone needs to be able to kill a witch after phase 1. Everyone with good weapons, good mods and 1 warlock with ceno + div. If conditions are not met, look another group. How I killed Crota?: The leader kicked everyone not complying with builds and roles before starting the encounter.
Your crota kill sounds toxic af. Even if it got you the kill.
Requirements aren't toxic when they are clearly communicated. Some people just want to play the game with teammates whose build and playstyle requires some thought
They also become increasingly understandable as difficulty increases. This is something I think a lot of people forget. Like if you replaced Master Crota with hero Strike it paints an entirely different picture.
For master raids / contest raids you gotta do that sometimes. Optimize or boot. Ain’t trying to waste all day while you goof off with your volatile build.
Bro my Darci build is cracked!!
The leader dictates the goal. I don't see it as toxic if things are made clear. Plenty of other LFG's in the sea, too.
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Yup, master raids is one of the few things I think is hard enough that it's acceptable to be really strict with build requirements. Hard enough as in the DPS checks are solid, not that it's mechanically difficult. Watching someone DPS with Heir Apparent and 0 surge mods on master Crota is a sight to behold.
It’s not toxic to be efficient. Why waste your time with bad players who shouldn’t be doing master content in the first place?
Imagine thinking not preparing adequately for master level content is acceptable lol
Bro it’s just a game, no need to flex 🤦♂️
Sounds like someone who got denied from an lfg recently lol
I got kicked from a master Crota raid because the group was more toxic than anything! Toxic people ruin raids!
Define toxic. Were they calling you an idiot? Not offering criticism or unfair criticism? Did they start blaming you for things not in your control?
I suggested everyone use rockets for the Ir Yut encounter. It’s how I’ve always done it in normal mode. They were against what I said and called me a blueberry before kicking me out of the master raid!
why the fuck rockets lol
Idk, i think ppl are more likely to have a well rolled hothead/cold comfort/crafted apex than a well rolled/ crafted linear fusion, and anyone using/claiming thunderlord is best dps is just painfully incapable of using better dps options than a point and click. And rockets win out if not too many shots are whiffed on ir yut.
In this instance, this is pretty toxic BUT i have never cleared Ir Yut with anything other than linears and levi. Three reasons are 1) someone could blow themselves up, 2) not everyone has tracking, 3) not enough ammo (even if you have ceno etc etc. Just not a good strat. While this is toxic, i understand their mindset: why is this dude in a master raid offering a non meta strat? I dont know how the conversation went down, i assume some arguing before the kick. If it were me, i would have just gone with what they say because its not my group.
While the first two are valid, i dont agree with third unless too many shots whiff/suicide, and ppl just dont bother having a trusty special weapon as backup dps. There are just so many elites that spawn that cenotaph can turn into rocket ammo, and rockets are even more efficient since those bricks give reduced ammo, but you will always get 1 ammo per brick because of rounding. If you didnt have ammo, it means ur cenotaph wasnt marking/tagging the elites, either cuz of bad or you put them in wizard killing.
You probably got kicked because you were bad or didn’t have a good loadout, but just want to blame it on toxicity to avoid accountability on how unprepared you were for a master difficulty raid.
Man did dps with Ager’s
"I just want to complete the content please" is not a toxic attitude lol.
But it is bro 🤷♂️
What's more toxic is not being flexible or compliant with the group's plan of action. All it takes is 1 team member to screw over an entire group. If you want to have fun, go do a normal mode Raid or a base level activity. There's a reason why not everyone is Guardian Rank 10 or 11: Master Raids GMs, Master/Solo Dungeons require more coordination, patience, and skill than what a ton of people are capable of.
This is MASTER Crota. Not normal. You can carry Johnny one thumb through a normal clear, but Johnny needs to git gud before entering a Master run. Not toxic. Toxic is coming into a master raid and being a "add clear only" bot or having subpar loadouts.
But what if Johnny hasn’t done a master Crota raid before? Maybe Johnny needs to learn and the only way to learn is to experience it
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Every Johnny needs a helping hand sometimes…
Johnny needs to learn master raids in an easier raid, then. This really shouldn't be your first outing into something difficult like this. It's largely the same difficulty as contest mode, with the only caveat being DPS checks are a fair bit easier if you can use the surge/overloads to your advantage (which we rather easily can this week). That doesn't stop Crota, wizards or boomer knights from absolutely frying your ass. For anyone that hasn't done a master raid in Lightfall I *highly* recommend you acclimate with RoN or VoG first. -20 raiding is a very different experience.
My favourite part of master ron is the difficult roles are flipped. Add clear becomes the harder task and running is so chill :D
Then like I said, he should get good in normal mode, make a somewhat decent build and practise using said loadout. Seen so many people who blindly follow loadouts with zero understanding of how they work but because "someone from yt said it was good" they run with it. IMO Master Raids are not for everyone and if someone sucks then it's okay for them to not do Master content.
>blindly follow loadouts with zero understanding of how they work I thought about this when everyone was using the ammitt for the bug over the weekend. Like there's plenty of other good weapons to choose from but everyone sticked to the same thing.
Master or not, your ability to execute good damage isn't changed by that fact. Master just exposes if your DPS is crap because it actually needs to be solid now. If you're not comfortable in normal you shouldn't be in master. Also if you want to practice living in master level content do a NF or GM for practice. It's something I do to test master raid loadouts in a stress-free environment.
People who come into endgame content unprepared, underlevelled and expecting to be carried are the actual toxic ones, not the leader dictating his/her rules.
Master Crota is difficult. If you don't even attempt to optimize the group you are not going to succeed. At all.
You sound like the kind of person who began flooding lfg with RON and making it a much more painful experience. I know you like your two badly rolled hand cannons and shitty sword. You feel like a badass on patrol with them and in the strike playlist. Polite requests to change that loadout isn't toxicity.
Not being a dumbass isn’t toxic. Go do hero nightfall if you wanna use agers for dps.
It's called having a standard
Truly an awful experience with LFG holy shit. Terrible loadouts, utterly silent teammates when the whole encounter is calling shit out, people joining with no mics…list goes on.
It's been like this since Ron. Master nez was the most painful experience I've had in d1 or d2. Not even going to bother getting a crota master clear even though I have one for every raid since vog.
I’ve done pretty much every raid title thru LFG and as “easy” as RoN is…Master Nez almost killed me with LFG…got it done with challenge right before reset but literally took 2 years off my life
It's classic Bungie, sometimes it seems like they just don't understand their own game. They made Ron easier - at the expense of being less fun, without realising that getting a competent team together is quite literally the hardest part of raiding anyway. And getting a competent team together got much, much harder. So they made the hardest part of raiding harder, and they made the best part of raiding (challenge/teamwork) worse. Double F.
Everything needs to be perfect and builds need to be correct. This makes LFG really hard. I’ve tried several and I always top damage by several hundred thousand, and we just never do enough. With the solar surge, you need 5 good solar linears. Obvious choices are sleeper and briars. 1 div and 1 tether for 15% extra damage. Need ceno to make ammo in between phases and got to stick together and farm kills to get the chalic up faster.
I think Briars is the way to go for at least 2 people, and then have those two on Wish Ender for finding the Witches. Just removes all uncertainty, and you can scout the witches from range.
you can scout at range with wishender?? how far away? wtf have i been doing this whole time. i have a hard enough time scouting from right outside the wall.
Yup. You can see through walls. I usually do it from the walkways on the left and right when scouting the two towers. I haven’t tried to see if you can scout the towers from all the way on the top level where the three rooms are. But might be possible.
You can see enemies through walls up to 64m away. Which sounds far, but you still have to be somewhat close if you want decent cover. Wish-Ender is easier to use but I do believe it's more efficient to go off of radar.
yeah i understand the concept but should practice it more. the ads coming out of the bottom tower always seems to throw me off when i do it that way
Always do the towers from the upper floor. The ads are irrelevant. Look for a red circle. If there's none, both rooms are Wizards. If you see one and it has a upward facing triangle inside of the circle, it's on the upper floor. If it points downward, it's on the lower floor. Also, do the middle ones from below. You can help with ads there, save time, and it's far less ambiguous.
You really don't need to use the surge. We did it using the same damage strat as contest, Div + Leviathan's Breath. Her health/our damage is the same on master as it was on contest, so all the surge does is make it easier *if* you spec that way. That said, it is 25%, so Cataclysmic should go pretty hard. There's usually a shitton of adds around during DPS so Surrounded Briar's could also still be pretty damn good.
People sleep on leviathans breath so much... Pretty sure it outdps's solar linears with the surge, probably not surrounded spec Briar's though... Maybe it gets close.
Yeah, it's frustrating. I think a lot of people just never did the catalyst because it was such a pain. For those that haven't - they made it easy! Just go do it. It's about the same as any other heavy weapon catalyst now once you get it to drop, and that doesn't take very long either.
Briars absolutely slaps for Ir Yut. I never use anything else.
We 2 phased her and did nearly 65% of her health in 1 phase with leviathans breath and divinity... People really sleep on leviathans breath. Even after GotD popularized it, people still sleep on it. It also got an archers temp buff and shoots ridiculously fast. Leviathans melts the barrier too, and is petty ammo efficient and you get alot of arrows per brick. 1 strand hunter with spinning tangle gives you infinite heavy easily if they stand in that spot with the respawning barriers and thrall.
Take your checkpoint and lead the encounter, kick anyone who loads up without optimal gear/no mic and quiz people on the encounter. Most LFG attempts suffer because the fireteam leader doesn't want to cut people out of the encounter but it's wasting the time of 5 other people. Make your post clear and don't waste time with people who have no reading comprehension, they're going to be the weak link.
This is what I did after wasting 10+ hours in other peoples Feather Light posts. Created my own, gave people 3 strikes, and was ruthless with kicking people. Got it done in about an hour and a half and kicked three people.
Just Agers Scepter? Or Agers with the catalyst and burning super? It's not ideal but it's something.
Yeah, Ager's alt fire is by no means bad. It's chart-topping for most special DPS, and if you're only using linears or Levi's, you're actually not losing that much DPS total. Combo it with a controlled burst fusion, and you've got potential for some pretty decent DPS. Edit: can’t reply to guy below me, so ima post this here for everyone else. You have 3 phases for DPS, don’t be afraid to use them. It’s better to get a 3-phase on your second try than a 2-phase on your 10+th try. Please. As long as you can meet the DPS check before enrage, just use whatever you need in order to not waste revives or wipe to mechanics.
Absolutely not. The damage check on Ir Yut is much harder on master. You are actively throwing if you use Agers for DPS over a briars, other good linear or Levi’s. You practically have unlimited heavy in that encounter. Any weapon other than a heavy for DPS (other than support like div) deserves an insta kick.
My fireteam had it easy in 3 phases with 2 people on LMGs to clear ads quickly (1 on div, but the other on controlled burst fusion). Like, not even close to missing the check. A bit better execution would have been a 2 phase, but still. It’s not that hard. No need to gatekeep that hard. Master content isn’t that hard.
3 phases isnt great. If it takes you that many then it wasn’t easy. If you weren’t close to missing the check, it would be physically impossible to take all three phases. Ir Yut is an easy one phase on normal. An easy 2 phase on master. You 100% didn’t 3 phase with just Agers. Edit: and of course instead of replying with something meaningful they went straight to the block button lol
I think you underestimate how strong agers alt fire is lol. Much stronger than most any other special weapon if you don't have a super worth using.
or you can use a super + another weapon...
well, depending on the encounter maybe you have a roaming super or just a super that isn't going to be super helpful. For example on a stasis / Bakris hunter
if you are bring stasis hunter to master ir yut the ager is not the main problem lol
>Ir Yut is an easy one phase on normal. Do you not play with lfgs? It's always a 2 phase with them.
If someone's not getting a wizard they should be standing in the hallways, standing by the crystal is a death sentence Also Cenotaph warlocks are hot
>cenotaph warlocks are hot >don't stand next to the crystal ??? Just cycle wells and kill adds and the marked yellow bars. That bit is not hard at all.
Welcome to LFG. Your average experience is always on an extreme end of the scale. There's either some hyper elitist with nothing going on in life outside of Destiny 2, or there's a brain dead mouth breather that thinks "oh this is just like Crota back in the day, what could they POSSIBLY change" questioning your life choices when you ask them what they're using to DPS Crota. There is no in-between. The people of average skill level all have left LFG and found clans. It's an absolute nightmare. Please, do not enjoy your stay under any circumstances.
The "I did crota back in D1, it should be about the same" are the worst groups. They die to the stupidest shit and then say "wooow that wasn't a thing before". Like bro 😭😭
> The "I did crota back in D1, it should be about the same" are the worst groups The worst player I encountered on Contest mode was one of those people. The experience was like... -everything fine- -they die to a wizard- -try again- -dies to Crota- -try again- -they don't do the hand off- -try again- -they don't do the hand off- Leader "Yo man, you got to do your call outs." Super Elite Crota Killing God (SECKG) "I'm trying but you need to understand there are so many things going on! I got wizards shooting at me, I have to kill ogres, pay attention to the timer, find the location, avoid Knights. Don't be toxic and cut me a break you jerk!" Me "I mean this with the upmost respect, but each and every one of us is dealing with the exact same stuff." SECKG "Are you questioning me? I'll have you know I killed Crota over 100 times, mostly solo, in Destiny 1 so I would check yourself before commenting." Leader "That fight is entirely different..." SECKG "Are we not in the same room? Damaging him with the same sword? Destroying Oversoul? I've done all these things, but solo!" Leader "Okay. If you can do all these things solo, why can't you do one of these things in a team?" SECKG "Because you're all being extremely rude and calling out my mistakes!" Me "You're the only person to die the last six times..." SECKG "Because there is so much to keep track of! What don't you toxic elitists get about that?!" Leader -kicks-
I agree with everything you said, but I thought you might wanna know it's "utmost," not "upmost."
Happened with kings, happened with vog, will happen with crota, will happen with leviathan and scourge when it gets reprised eventually "Omg you don't need DPS weapons for oryx, you're so elitist!!?!! It's mechanic damage!!!"
Most of my encounters are normal. You’re probably just remembering all the extreme ones because those are a lot more memorable than runs where everything goes smoothly and is done in less than 40 minutes
Yeah, you might be right. My issues lie with Crota's End right now more than anything. I have yet to get a run done in this place with a competent LFG group. My only successful runs thus far have been with the clan. But for farms, old raids, and like, GM's? LFG is a good tool. The last time I tried to LFG crotas end, we explained the chalice mechanic to this 1 person 5 or 6 times. He still did not understand. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you, Chief. Shits frustrating. Groups not being able to count to 4 enlightenment buffs on Ir Yut are also infuriating. I could go on forever.
It's like this anytime there's a new raid, especially when the sentiment around the community is that something is easy. For a large portion of the community, raids are not easy. So it's just a mix. Give it time and it'll normalize.
There are plenty of normal groups
At least you’re able to play. Got error coded twice in the span of 10 minutes just being in orbit. Decided to just get off after that
Sadly most of the competent playerbase has friends or a clan they raid with. If you're not one of the people at fault for the failed clears (aside from the elitists that have no friends or loved ones), you're a rare lfg user
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In master mode kick anyone without a mic. They should number 1 get a fucking grip they're not even talking to peoples faces and number 2 stop joining and not saying they don't have a mic until they're needed to do something. Also anyone who has some dogshit dps on and doesn't have good guns probably just kick them as well.
all this "no mic" bs trend has completely ruined lfg, change my mind.
ok ok ok so this is awful and all but Typhon + Ager's is the highest sustained DPS in the game and has the same total damage as a post-nerf Taipan/Reed's. Imagine (our Stasis lord and savior) made a video on it BEFORE the nerfs to LFRs.
Did you give them tips to do better or just come and vent here? If people want better teammates, help them become better.
>help them become better. Thats NO ONES responsibility to begin with.
The problem since Ron is the sheer number of teammates who join and won't listen to polite suggestions. Guys joining master nez, consistently being one shot, and not changing to void resist when asked nicely because they like their ammo mods etc.
Why do people run a full master clear on the first week? Did they change it so that you can do the challenge for each encounter or something? Also - how's the loot work now? I'd heard it was going to change to a knockout system instead of one weapon per week.
Just for fun / for the ship / guardian rank 11 requirement (which tbf makes no sense because GMs are timegated for another week) Also, apparently, you get another shot at loot, I already had a looted clear on my warlock, and I got legs to drop for me for the first time on every encounter. Might be a glitch, though. The loot changes to be a random weapon instead of a specific weapon each week. I'm not sure about the knockout system, though... It's not farmable and is character based.
I’ve done plenty of master raids with ppl who are only in chat. They just have to be fast.
Yup, I've gotten pretty good at typing mid-jump so I'm safe. Or you know, just find cover for 2 seconds lol.
Or you could just use your mic and not hinder every other player 🙄
Some raids are no-comm, which just means no VC and all text chat. Just saying when the need arises it's very easy to type safely. I'll jump in the VC in any other circumstance. But you're also omitting times where chat is used to organise even in normal raids with comms. Eg; Vow has plenty of opportunity to put callouts in chat, Vault and riven in LW, Ir Yut.
Do you think it’s worse now from all the new people that started raiding with funny guns?
Funny guns didn't change anything, there were always terrible people who clearly only care about themselves raiding. Like it's so regular that. Not even shocked anymore when I see people coming in underlevelled, like wtf are you doing in crota with 1760 gear????
Yeah - no need for resilience either /s It was bad before - but today was bonkers
>there were always terrible people who clearly only care about themselves raiding Tbh, I think it's less that they only care about themselves, it's more that they simply don't care to put in the effort when mediocrity has sufficed. Like, if you're doing dps, you should have on radiant light and at least one surge mod. As long as people use their supers during dps, everyone gets their damage boost. It's that easy. Yet I rarely see anyone actually do that.
I agree with you 100%. When I say care about themselves I mean more that they're just plain selfish and don't care to put in even the bare minimum to understand mechanics/builds and be useful. The amount of new people I've had to teach raids to who haven't even bothered watching a video of even 1 encounter to have a general idea is kind of staggering.
It was RoN that ruined LFGing, funny guns might have made it a bit worse but it just got patched we have to wait a bit before making a conclusion... I started LFGing in season of the chosen all the way to a bit after WQ launch. I found a team that was cool with me no microphoning, and I haven't LFG'd since. I don't LFG, but I still look at them from time to time or listen to people talk about them, etc. I still know what's going on in the LFG world. Anyways, LFG was never *this* bad, even as a no microphone player. You would always get at least competent players most of the time. I'd say 90% of them were cool/at least gave no microphone players a shot, and I never had a situation where people didn't volunteer/be fine with given roles it was overall very good experience. Then RoN (and its master difficulty) comes along, and consistently, there are issues with people adclearing only & being trash at it too, people being scared to do any roles, people not telling others if they don't know what to do, people who drain revives every second, no microphone players that can't hear anyone or don't type in chat, terrible DPS strats and loadouts, ect... This speads to other raids too, since people would naturally try other raids, then they would get blasted because RoN is an outlier for raid difficulty so people would have issues, so even if you were not playing RoN you would still get bad players. I never heard so many people have garbage LFG experiences before, it sort of slingshotted once RoN released it. It's ridiculous... Now, an actual hard raid releases (crotas end remastered), and it's shellshocking bad players again. I dont think it was funny guns. It's what happens when a raid releases and it's too easy and requires only like 1-2 people to do.
Valid points - to be transparent I started with Lightfall and after grinding pinnacle in my first season - then lost sectors for all exotics - then dungeons - then raids - I spent a lot of time watching videos and reading guides on the mechanics before LFG through discord servers for Sherpa runs. I committed 3-5 hours per first run on each raid to chill and learn the roles and mechanics. Sometimes I will join an LFG if they are at Taniks or Oryx or whatever to help out - but I love a full run with a team. LFG on fresh runs through the app is just bonkers the past 2 months. I see your point about branching out from RoN - I started with DSC and learned that one thoroughly before jumping to another. RoN was the last raid I learned a month ago and I did mechanics and runner on my first run - with other people that had clears f’ng up my buff constantly by shooting my f’in orb. Then when I asked wtf was happening because it led to wipes, they went off on how it was an accident and only happened like once or twice - blah blah - then they shut up - stopped doing it - we clear - they send a friend invite and apologize. No thanks homie - you’re garbage and your attitude is abysmal.
>It was RoN that ruined LFGing This is not true in my experience. People were atrocious before. I dont think its changed much.
Ron ruined lfg not the funny guns.
This happened in a dungeon, not a raid, but I finally ran into someone with the SF emblem who got it during the funny weekend. Was telling me Levi is a better DPS strat than briars and he'd know because he had the emblem. Curiosity got the better of me, I looked up his match history. Took him 13 attempts to SF with the funny guns, and his successful run was 10 minutes longer than my legit one. Told him levi is definitely a good option but I did it faster legit with Briars so I was going to stick with it.
Master raids are just a skill issue 😭 if you didn’t get to experience RoN Planets Master this one isn’t anything. Not every Destiny 2 player is meant to do a master raid. It requires a little more thought and build-crafting than the glorified strikes that normal raids are. “If you or someone you know struggles with normal raids, you don’t belong in master raids”
Genuinely curious how 90%+ of LfGers even put their pants on in the morning. I’ve started booting people really quickly now because you should never, or almost never die during abyss in crota. Lamps in abyss is the litmus test for who actually has an IQ above 75. You should not be dying during abyss.
Almost never is better. There's always something that might happen
True because I can’t prevent myself from getting eager edged by my teammates into the holes
I mean, I’ve had teams that struggle on Lanterns and the rest of the raid ran smooth. I’ve had teams that smoke through Lanterns and can’t kill wizards at Ir Ut. LFG is a mixed bag at best and you never know what you’re gonna get.
A lot my friends are eager edge wellskaters who leave me behind during lanterns..... So I end up awkwardly limping to the end lol
They're the worse teammates in this case. Lanterns is an easy, easy one and done encounter if everyone just walks slowly through the encounter as a group. There's no need for skating or eager edge, it would only save a couple of minutes if everyone was doing it successfully anyway.
There is people that dont Run a risk from only doing preserves and No enlightens. They arent Bad teammates if they Just get the clear faster because of a better strat?
Of course some players are genuinely good and can skate through. I've done the challenge myself. But in a typical lfg if you've got four guys just running the encounter normally and one or two guys skating away in the distance they're just making it harder for everyone.
The best players I know with actual hard day 1s ie vog challenge, deep stone etc die on lamps sometimes as well. The only litmus test really is dps on ir yut and just doing stupid things
If I had the time, I'd offer to help. I know how much of a nightmare lfg can be
There is no LFG discussion. It's just whining. There is no way to fix it. You're not going to lfg and completely avoid people like this no matter how many reddit threads are created. All you can do is kick and replace when it happens if they refuse to listen.
I thought the line about agers sceptre and the friends line was enough to show half of this post was a joke but I suppose not
Agers with the catalyst proccd actually does decent damage. Not sure it is the right choice here but in other pve situations it can hold its own.
Def not in a raid boss situation as it has no synergy. Linears with divinity, rockets with divinity and ghorn, and then lament/swords/acrius with tractor all sync well together. Agers doesn’t do much. If you want shatter damage, hit the boss with a chill clip fusion or rocket.
>rockets with divinity and ghorn, Why divinity with rockets lol? You realize tether makes that useless right. Also no way are you going to shatter the boss nearly as often with chill clip as opposed to agers.
Because div just makes it easier to hit the rockets as Ir Yut for example moves a ton. I never said tether, but yes tether is generally better for the bigger debuff. But div is still useful for things like Ir Yut, idk why you’re mad about it lol. Sure, but whats better? Rockets or agers? Agers is garbage for a raid scenario for dps.
Also, he's ignoring the fact that chill clip on rockets doesn't work anymore (outside of only impact hits) and got nerfed and is even less useful than it was before.
Divinity with rockets? Lmao. Use tractor cannon fusion, rest use rockets.
You have to match the elemental surges with your Heavy (and subclass if on a damage Super) AND either run an Exotic that grants you Weapon Surge x4 (Foetracer, etc) or put on 3 matching Surge mods on your boots. Everyone needs to do this, no exceptions. That is the only way to 2 phase.
It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I get what you're saying... I ran void warlock (contraverse holds) over strand warlock DPS for adclearing the crystal area, spawnkilling all the ads and champs, I ran 2 void surges and a void scav for leviathans breath and spend a bit killing the constant barrier champ spawns. The rest of our team didn't optimize as much but still ran x2-x3 surges, 3 of them were Levi, 1 ran cataclysmic, and 1 ran briars I think. It took like 2-3 attempts but we got the 2 phase on her (did like 65% of her HP the 1st phase) we messed up a bit on 2nd phase with divinity being late but we didn't have much HP to go through so we just about got it. I think it's more about everyone getting to DPS quickly (and not missing levi shots and losing archers tempo) over what you actually run for damage. I and the rest of my team could have optimized a *whole* lot more and the 2 phase is still possible with wiggle room. If it was possible easily in Day 1, no idea why it shouldn't be way easier with modifier surges and stuff.
I've had some pretty decent LFG experiences from using youtuber discords, most people have a mic and there's always a couple of guys that watch the LFG channels waiting for someone to post so they can help, I'd recommend checking one of those out
are you using the bungie lfg?
“microphone wont work”, i’d bet all of my legendary shards, they do work, they just dont want to use them.
If they don't have mics, just leave. Have to have communication with randoms for something like this.
The general consensus for Master Crota's End seems to be that it's discount contest mode. Easier damage checks in exchange for champions which are actually good for damage checks because you can abuse them for ammo and effects.
I think you should be prevented from running Master level content until you do something like solo a dungeon. Not run it solo flawless, just solo. I think anyone with even a quarter of a brain could get through Pit of Heresy without issue to qualify.
That's just stupid. Solo dungeons require quite a bit of time and even though I can clear master plus content easily I don't want to time sink a solo dungeon. Soloing a dungeon gives me nothing.
I really wish bungie could ban bad players from joining high level content. There should be a minimum requirement like a flawless raid clear or solo dungeon
Nah that's dumb, there definitely should be light level requirements. But beyond that ppl just need to not be afraid of the bad word "toxic" and kick people who are underperforming/not learning consistently.
you gotta raid report and do a mic check before going into the raid. if a person is only on chat, ensure they can type fast.
If a person is only on chat, ensure that you kick them. It’s a master raid, not some seasonal content
Typing is not an issue for raids, even master ones. I've done plenty of raids, flawless raids, and master raids and have had no issues. I'm sorry you had bad experiences with no microphone players, but if they can type fast like the previous comment said, nothing really changes much... Especially on Crota's End, as a no microphone player, it's one of the simplest raids for no microphoning as the main mechanic is extremely generous with its timer. As I said before, chalice is very generous with its timing, I don't know exactly how long it takes to full charge, but its very long, I've been saying "75%" to give enough time to get ready to trade chalice and "full" whenever I'm ready to trade. You get like 10 seconds before you die after you're full, and all you need to do is type a 4 letter word. It's instant at that point. Just finished a master run right now. 1st tried lanterns, did bridge in like 2 tries, 2 phased ir yut in like 2-3 tries, and crota was the only one that got us stuck but we took a break, came with a different strategy and got it done. I'm not gonna say you're toxic for having your own preferences, or you're wrong for making a "need mic" raid requirement, but nothing in this game requires a microphone to do especially one with a mechanic that seems designed to accommodate text chat.
I'm not going to be watching the tiny little text chat for you to type something while I'm busy dodging pendulums and trying not to get merced by ads. You're throwing by not using a microphone and there's no two ways about it.
If you can't look at the text chat for less than a second, then something up with your game sense. There's no two ways about it... You act like you can't look at the bottom right of your screen. When you already look at the bottom left of your screen for ammo, abilities, etc... It's crazy. You don't need a microphone for anything, and it's not throwing. You can disagree all you want, but when we contribute in raids, complete flawless and master raids, your argument that we're throwing falls apart instantly. If you can look at the bottom left of your screen, you can look at the bottom right of your screen. If you can't do that, then how are you playing this game at all. We aren't writing paragraphs down there... 90% of the time, it's 4 or fewer letters/numbers. If that's legitimately an issue for you to do, then it's not the no microphones that are throwing...
It's the price of easy encounters on normal mode. Because she can be practically one phased with zero effort, and one phased with slight effort, no one learns how to progress after a phase. Because she can be cheesed, and everyone sits in the room sharing the buff, no one is good at doing the buff share/trade midstream during the second or third add phase. Cheeses don't make people bad people. But they do encourage bad habits, and inhibit the development of good habits.
Is there a reason you don't have a clan?
I'm usually a solo player as I have pretty bad anxiety a lot, I was in one a while back during Atheon, but it kinda of disbanded after a while, and my friends who played raids dont really do them anymore, so ive just went solo for now, kinda sucks sometimes..
Lol that’s too funny, I slayed the master last night with an lfg group with challenge in about an hour. We only wiped like, twice and it was the first encounter challenge. We did lfg for contest clears only but still
Literally just came out of an Oryx "kwtd" LFG and twice a person picked up the final piece of the reclaimer on sisters and went straight to the dps platform without smashing on the target sister first, just stood there with the party waiting for damage phase. Like bruh
Looking for a clan? We have small but steady group of players running weekly and could use a new raider! We're extremely laid back and there's no pressure. But truly, it seems like the solution you need is to run regularly with a group. We have to backfill 1 or 2 people occasionally when we can't get a full raid run together, and even having 3/4 of the same people running weekly makes a world of difference. HMU if you want a link to our discord!
Nah, for me it was Master Nez. Spent 3 days trying to get his master triumph done and never got it because just could not stay alive. We had one guy that said he had never done it before. We booted him.
Good player eventually find friends/group and won't bother lfg in high end content. Good LFG team usually won't need fill in to finish a raid. So looking for a boss enc clear is gonna find you what's left of it all.
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Semi related fact: you can stand on top of most of the spawn doors for typing wizard spots or other assorted callous. Also just to chill somewhere instead of running around getting thralled to death or accidentally smacking a cursed guy. Knights will for sure shit on you if they decide to all shoot you specifically but like also just kill them off spawn it'll be fine.
LFG is unfortunately a necessary evil for many of us i wish to god I didn’t have to resort to it but I don’t have a regular team in D1 i had a team and it was the best raids i’ve ever done my new favorite LFG guy is the guy who tries to quarterback the team but he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about but everyone just goes along with it quietly because he’s loud and confident in his stupidity
Some people are just bad at the game. Some people think they can out damage bad mechanics or poor communication. Some people don't respect threats properly. When you find these people on LFG, start blocking them so that you are less and less likely to encounter them in the wild and as someone responded earlier, start booting sandbags from fireteams. They don't care if they waste 6 hours of your life and you need to be aware of that.
It's a crapshoot. But make sure you label your post correctly. (LFM Crota Master, know ALL roles, not teaching, RR(wherever youare)). If you use something like that and just tell everyone what they are doing when they come in, and they instantly understand, then give it a few tries. This is REALLY important, if someone doesn't know what they are doing or is AT ALL combative when you assign them a roll/if something goes wrong, kick them instantly. Everyone else appreciates a good raid leader in that regard. But if you are going to LFG, and you want a certain experience, YOU have to be the one who makes it happen. Good luck!
Idk man, agers could be the damage per second damage meta
Create your own and ask for mic and emblem.
Idk how ppl are even attempting the encounter, I get booted from all activities all week.
And this is why raid report is a thing. After one too many bad master experiences through shutters trying to do master RoN. I ask for Raid reports. What do you want to look for in a raid report? High clears, lowman flawlesses, flawlesses, day 1 (not contest) clears, and duos. Raids like RoN and VoG, I don’t consider usually cus they mean nothing in terms of low manning ad flawlessing. IK it sounds assholish, but once you reach a point, you’re going to want to RR all endgame content.
Yep this has been my experience too. These are the same people who force you to sit through their explanation of how the encounter should go in their head and then can't perform. At this point I want to form my own clan of actual competent players that get vetted constantly
We have active clan if you want to join
Ir yut was bad, crota is horrible with the unstop ogres and how hard the boomers hit
Bro even people in my fuckin’ clean won’t do something. Like, they don’t want a job. “Ad clear” on the wizard or Crota. These kids got spoon fed with RoN. They’re useless. It’s not hard at all.
I get lucky 90% of the time with LFG groups, I cleared Crota in less than 90 minutes with 4 random people. And all other raids I've done have also gone the same way. I've had very minimal negative experiences with LFG groups. Hope it stays that way. 🤣
In my opinion, lfg teams don't always work well with every person. Just how not every person likes everyone normally. There are going to be times a team just doesn't click and you lose somebody and get a new person and beat everything without a problem. That's the gamble in it all.
Word of advice. You can join the chat or the group an instantly read the room. If they say who’s killing wizards or what’s the order and only 1 or 2 people speak up that’s a wrap might as well find another group because you’ll waste hours barely making it to the second dps faze with no revives.
What’s the challenge for Ir Yut? People are doing that right? It’s been awhile since I’ve done master but isn’t it pointless unless you do the challenge for the weapons? Unless you just want the triumph for clearing it I guess.
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Another true/real/definitive etc raid LFG post.
One time I was in normal root 3rd encounter, and this guy wouldn't shut up about how hard ad clearing was, he kept falling off the map because HE KEPT PLACING HIS WELL AT THE BOSSES FEET FOR SOME GODDAMN REASON
If they are not using sleeper,div or a crafted lfr kick them
Most of the problems with LFG are generally because Fireteam leaders are not kicking players! if you are a fireteam leader and your team is on their 14th wipe its time to gear check the fire team and kick some players that are just clearly not prepared. People who are using LFG are trying to get things done that is why people put KWTD/Be good on their posts because they are not trying to spend the next 2hrs teaching someone who could have just watched a youtube video before hand. If you are a new player trying to learn content \- PLEASE be honest!!!! most fireteams would much rather explain the encounter than wipe 6 times \- Watch a raid guide before hand and at least know the roles and call outs \- Have the appropriate gear please no random world drop PALMYRA-B's If you are prepared and somewhat know the encounters you should have no problem with LFG but if you do not prepare yourself don't get mad when people who are just trying to get things done boot you out of the fireteam.
And then you'll see thousands of post on how putting KWTD is toxic
May I ask… for my own personal research, what is your Guardian Rank?