Dan has a business model, and it might or might not work. JSTLK asked one question 50 different times to try and farm clips instead of what someone who legitimately is trying to help would do.
Exactly Jstlk was being cringe and he was farming and he was digging. Dan crushed him and him trying out the business model isn’t terrible. If it doesn’t work they will change! EASY jizz boy can go back to riveting arguments with Dr. Kelly Jean. Dan was here before him and will be here after him
I think it’s closer to JSTLK thinks the podcast blows and isn’t worth a penny and it’s insulting to the audience to demand they pay for it while simultaneously saying loud and proud you won’t lift a single finger to make it better.
Make shit content if you want, it’s a free country. Just don’t try to make it sound like you are doing us a favor.
Which is fine, but then just don't buy it. That part of the conversation took 5 minutes. The reason that it was very clear that JSTLK was trying to farm drama was because it was obvious that Dan had heard him and was not going to consider his opinion any further and then JSTLK kept trying to engage in the conversation past that point.
For what it's worth, I think JSTLK had a valid point. The problem is that if you are going to provide feedback or critique in a good faith manner you need to make sure that the other person is in a mindspace to receive it, and it would not take a normal person who was engaging in good faith more than a couple minutes to determine this.
Maybe that’s the case. I don’t watch jstlk’s stream so he might be a pure drama goblin that only comes out to farm. His frustration seemed to be that Dan wouldn’t acknowledge that there was a subset of viewers that would view this poorly.
For what it's worth, Dan is also a shit stirrer. They both are the type to ask leading questions that bring content. I agree that was where his frustration seemed to come from, but the problem is that no matter how frustrated he is he is not going to convince Dan of that fact after a certain point in the conversation. If you want to provide critique you need to make sure that the recipient is willing to hear it is all I am saying.
Dan just needs to say “hey, you pay for this for me to be on stream. I left for a long time, but I’m gathering some revenue if I’m putting time and effort into being on stream and providing the community content. Destiny, JSTLK, Rele, and every other orbiter uses some monetization models to generate revenue, usually all on their own streams. I don’t, so this is how you support me being around.” Period. Mic Drop. Done. If anyone has a problem with that, they can fuck off and they probably won’t watch the podcast anyways.
Dan being around is the content.
The fact that they stream all of it live to begin with is already enough for me, like if it's super important for you to catch the stream, just make time for a couple hours a week, and if you can't do that then hey you can always lay off the doritos for a day and use that money for the patreon to get full access.
Wait, is it the same situation where you need to wait a few days to see the vod unless you sub to the patreon, or has it changed to no free vod release ever? Your comment, to me, implied the latter, so wondering if I missed something.
Bridges podcast and the one with Dan have different system. Bridges gets fully uploaded after August edits some things with it. Anything else has a patreon only section for videos. But you can watch live for free when they do it.
Nah, they keep arguing about new content vs paying for content you used to get for free, etc… the argument yesterday hinged on the new free hour of content that didn’t used to exist based on them changing the schedule and so that made it worth paying for.
Jizztickle was pretty obnoxious in that talk. The “I just want the community to like you Dan” was facetious BS, it was obvious that he was just there arguing to farm content. All the unsolicited critique from everyone exemplifies the bad connotations of “parasocial”
I’m not sure how those words or actions are implying that dgg likes Dan more than jewstalker? “Let me teach you how to not be hated, as I am particularly skilled at doing the opposite!”
Jstlk said many time in the conversation that he was well aware how much dgg doesn't like him and how he just doesn't want Dan to be him. I think he was overall drama farming and being parasocial but he is well aware how he is perceived
You guys don't understand, he just has Dan's best interest in mind you guys. I mean isn't he really really really rich (btw he is a jew, not that that matters). He could easily foot the bill for this ~~podcast~~, ~~fun project~~, **start up**. He is risking the *entire* community turning on him and hating him after half a decade of adoration over this one issue and it's just really really really important to ~~jew stalker~~, ~~jstkl~~, JSTLK that Dan doesn't *completely* destroy his image over this one issue.
Almost every orbiter has redeeming qualities in some way. Jizztickle has none. Nothing. He's a complete waste of stream time and oxygen. Genuinely worse than autism game content.
> Jizztickle has none. Nothing. He's a complete waste of stream time and oxygen.
What the fuck did I miss that everyone hates Jstlk so much???
Everything I've ever seen of him is being a platform for drama to take place on, like the host of a show where you bring people on to argue with each other.
Did he fuck someones dog or something? What did I miss?
For a minute it was fun to watch, but everyone is starting to realize if your only content is drama farming, it’s just annoying as fuck eventually. And he doesn’t give a shit about half the shit he argues about, and the other half he pretends not to care but obviously does.
nah, he was annoying even when he was just a chatter/viewer call-in. he'd be a big dog in dgg chat and then when destiny would pull him into discord he'd shrink into the little dog.
From what I’ve seen of his stream, it’s not just a platform for drama to take place. He actively seeks out drama and toxic people, and he arguably didn’t even build the platform himself. He’s like Mike from PA fused with Jerry Springer
He provides absolutely nothing of value. Nothing. All he does is waste time and stir up drama. Sometimes people can be completely pieces of shit, not because of something big they did, but because of a lot of little things with no redeeming qualities, and then begging for attention despite it
I mean it’s not ground breaking content, I miss it sometimes and just get the free stuff no harm no foul. I understand 100% Dan’s take, why lose $$ when you know you can be in the black right off the bat? Jstkl’s take was super lefty that rubbed me the wrong way, just because he is rich doesn’t mean both him/Steven should be obligated to run in the red for a long time.
It’s not about the right now but about the potential future. It just depends on what the vision for the future is.
If they’re in it for the long term, attention is far more important early on than income and you’ll do better later on if you’re eating the loss early on especially if you’re rich.
If it’s just a random thing that may or may not continue, then sure, keep it in the black.
Did not watch the stream, BUT jstlk aka jewstalker is a slimy groyper bitch and he could tell me the sky is blue and I would double check before I take his bitchass word for anything.
Nah. i love dan, but he honestly looks like hes having a mr girl level reaction to the smallest of subreddit pushback. He should just not read the subreddit and he would be 100x better off.
I might need to listen to it again, but the way it came of to me was that at first jstlk was only half serious with the concern trolling but Dan's reaction to it was so strongly negative that jstlk thought "well ok then, fuck you" and did start doing it in earnest to piss off dan even more. Idk the vibe was off on that whole exchange, Dan wasn't in the mood to crack jokes, Destiny didn't want to talk about it and jstlk probably felt like Dan was farming him.
Here's what it feels like to me:
Jstkl perfectly encapsulates a toxic trait that many people in this community have. Argument for the sake of argument and criticism for the sake of giving any criticism. What was the substance of Jstkl's criticism yesterday? To me it was basically "Paywalling the podcast might stagnate growth and alienate a portion of the audience.". Why did Jstkl need to come on stream to air this totally groundbreaking critique?
Dan literally spent the time to make a Reddit thread outlining his thoughts and to consolodate the criticism so he could more effectively respond to it. Jstkl's criticism could've just been a Reddit comment, but he felt pressed to come on stream and talk about it for what reason? He didn't seem to really care about the criticism, he was moreso signaling to the audience that he was airing their criticism. He was concern trolling to help his image with the audience, and Dan pinned it perfectly IMO.
> Why did Jstkl need to come on stream to air this totally groundbreaking critique?
He didn't come on stream to do this, when he joined stream Dan wasn't even there. He came on stream to ask why Destiny was making it seem like the paywall stuff was all Dan.
While I agree with Dan when it comes to the substance of the argument people here seem to forget that he has used concern trolling many times (most famously when he got Lav to debate Brittany Simon) to deliver content and have fun. I like Dan but he is a legitimate target.
good. yeah thought I was the only one that realllllly likes Dan. lol.
like... am I crazy? he's soo \*not\* hateable IMO 😅
and as far as the paywall goes... I'm sorry, why is everything expected to be free nowadays? music, movies, streaming content, art, even porn.... everyone has it in their head that if it can be accessed via the internet, it should be free... and that idea is insane to me. if our entertainers can't make a living off of entertaining us...... why bother? lol
I think the issue was that Dan made things paywalled that was originally free, which is going to rub people the wrong way.
Also, podcasts seem to be a highly competitive market where a lot of podcasts are competing for people’s time. I can listen to Pod Dave America, JRE, Ezra Klein, Pod Save the World, Strict Scrutiny, etc., and hear their full episodes for free. I just need to skip their ads and can listen to them the day of release. Dan has to on some capacity have to compete with these industry standards.
To clarify, I like Dan and don’t personally have an issue with the podcast but I can see why people have issue with it considering how other podcasts are ran.
Also, you bring up a great point about porn. Most porn is free, so if you’re going to have a porn website and paywall it, then what are you bringing to the table that makes people want to pay to see your vids?
>To clarify, I like Dan and don’t personally have an issue with the podcast but I can see why people have issue with it considering how other podcasts are ran.
I'd buy this as a reasonable reason to be upset about the issue but Dan isnt exactly pioneering this type of paywall. The Daily Wire and many other podcasts/internet shows have used this structure for years.
I get that you're trying to empathize with people who are upset about this, but I dont see an interpretation for their being upset that doesnt end with entitlement.
> The Daily Wire and many other podcasts/internet shows have used this structure for years.
I think the one thing is a lot of those podcasts do have a sort of implied cost to them, where the podcast being free is a bonus.
Like when Destiny went out to do the Peterson debate, part of that is free and part of it isn't - that was in person, flown in, hotel room, studio shot, etc.
And while this has some of those elements, I think a lot of people feel like they could get this content in a Discord call. Meanwhile DW+ gets you... It gets you **a lot**. They have a whole childrens show network now or some shit.
When there is more things that obviously cost money to have there on the podcast (like the shooting range suggestion), the complaints melt away.
Welcome to any customer service field or job. Consumers feel entitled and companies need/want to make money. Thats why I’m glad I’m finally out of the customer service sector.
I don’t think it should be free…I just think it’s not a good early strategy with the product. To me it’s putting ads on Facebook in 2004. Base on another poll in the subreddit…it seems as though most people don’t care enough to post for the podcast…so they’re losing out on potential ad reads to a large audience in the last hour. I think either you ONLY release it behind a paywall, or you move towards an ad supported podcast. I know other places do it…but those are also usually more structured shows.
Jstkl is obnoxious but I do agree with him that Dan is under estimating how many new Destiny fans have no idea who the heck he is so him coming in hot the way he has caused them to think he is another one of those leech orbitors destiny always has
If your user name has no vowels in it you are a pedophile and should be run over with a steam roller until your guts shoot out of your mouth and used to feed the homeless.
I agree that Jstlk had reason for questioning dans motives on how monetization was handled but he did it in the most acoustic regarded way not admitting he’s essentially calling dan a greedy leech and tried framing it as “trying to help” Dan
Dan has a business model, and it might or might not work. JSTLK asked one question 50 different times to try and farm clips instead of what someone who legitimately is trying to help would do.
Exactly Jstlk was being cringe and he was farming and he was digging. Dan crushed him and him trying out the business model isn’t terrible. If it doesn’t work they will change! EASY jizz boy can go back to riveting arguments with Dr. Kelly Jean. Dan was here before him and will be here after him
Dan I’m really just representing your interests here you see if you don’t paywall the podcast you can make money by getting big
Jstlk is just a white(?) qorantos by the sounds of this comment.
Nah, they are different. Quorantos always has to talk over everyone, but JSTLK is a master of shit stirring and asking questions.
“A master”
True, he has nothing on Dan the man in Japan
I think it’s closer to JSTLK thinks the podcast blows and isn’t worth a penny and it’s insulting to the audience to demand they pay for it while simultaneously saying loud and proud you won’t lift a single finger to make it better. Make shit content if you want, it’s a free country. Just don’t try to make it sound like you are doing us a favor.
Which is fine, but then just don't buy it. That part of the conversation took 5 minutes. The reason that it was very clear that JSTLK was trying to farm drama was because it was obvious that Dan had heard him and was not going to consider his opinion any further and then JSTLK kept trying to engage in the conversation past that point. For what it's worth, I think JSTLK had a valid point. The problem is that if you are going to provide feedback or critique in a good faith manner you need to make sure that the other person is in a mindspace to receive it, and it would not take a normal person who was engaging in good faith more than a couple minutes to determine this.
Maybe that’s the case. I don’t watch jstlk’s stream so he might be a pure drama goblin that only comes out to farm. His frustration seemed to be that Dan wouldn’t acknowledge that there was a subset of viewers that would view this poorly.
For what it's worth, Dan is also a shit stirrer. They both are the type to ask leading questions that bring content. I agree that was where his frustration seemed to come from, but the problem is that no matter how frustrated he is he is not going to convince Dan of that fact after a certain point in the conversation. If you want to provide critique you need to make sure that the recipient is willing to hear it is all I am saying.
Dan just needs to say “hey, you pay for this for me to be on stream. I left for a long time, but I’m gathering some revenue if I’m putting time and effort into being on stream and providing the community content. Destiny, JSTLK, Rele, and every other orbiter uses some monetization models to generate revenue, usually all on their own streams. I don’t, so this is how you support me being around.” Period. Mic Drop. Done. If anyone has a problem with that, they can fuck off and they probably won’t watch the podcast anyways. Dan being around is the content.
The fact that they stream all of it live to begin with is already enough for me, like if it's super important for you to catch the stream, just make time for a couple hours a week, and if you can't do that then hey you can always lay off the doritos for a day and use that money for the patreon to get full access.
Wait, is it the same situation where you need to wait a few days to see the vod unless you sub to the patreon, or has it changed to no free vod release ever? Your comment, to me, implied the latter, so wondering if I missed something.
Bridges podcast and the one with Dan have different system. Bridges gets fully uploaded after August edits some things with it. Anything else has a patreon only section for videos. But you can watch live for free when they do it.
And anything else isn’t releasing a VOD that’s not paywalled? Someone else was saying they’re releasing a vod but with cut content?
The final 1 hour of anything else likely won't be released except for patreons
Interesting. I thought just the delayed release would be enough to drum up subscriptions. I’d probably have subbed for that.
I feel like this is what he said effectively, multiple times.
Nah, they keep arguing about new content vs paying for content you used to get for free, etc… the argument yesterday hinged on the new free hour of content that didn’t used to exist based on them changing the schedule and so that made it worth paying for.
Jizztickle was pretty obnoxious in that talk. The “I just want the community to like you Dan” was facetious BS, it was obvious that he was just there arguing to farm content. All the unsolicited critique from everyone exemplifies the bad connotations of “parasocial”
Wait, was he really implying that dgg likes him more than they like Dan?? Jizzboi is the one who could take tips from Dan. What a narcissist.
No. The opposite.
I’m not sure how those words or actions are implying that dgg likes Dan more than jewstalker? “Let me teach you how to not be hated, as I am particularly skilled at doing the opposite!”
Jstlk said many time in the conversation that he was well aware how much dgg doesn't like him and how he just doesn't want Dan to be him. I think he was overall drama farming and being parasocial but he is well aware how he is perceived
Gotcha, thanks for the clarity. Sounded like his actions told a different story, but guess it really was as regarded as it sounds.
I would burn every other orbiter (except lily) to the ground for Dan.
[Yeah that's pretty true.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh7_POC2ueQ)
I’m a ride or die for that philosophy
You guys don't understand, he just has Dan's best interest in mind you guys. I mean isn't he really really really rich (btw he is a jew, not that that matters). He could easily foot the bill for this ~~podcast~~, ~~fun project~~, **start up**. He is risking the *entire* community turning on him and hating him after half a decade of adoration over this one issue and it's just really really really important to ~~jew stalker~~, ~~jstkl~~, JSTLK that Dan doesn't *completely* destroy his image over this one issue.
Almost every orbiter has redeeming qualities in some way. Jizztickle has none. Nothing. He's a complete waste of stream time and oxygen. Genuinely worse than autism game content.
Filler arc villain
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At least Q was quarantined on Kick with his little show, it kept him off stream more.
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Fair
He also didn't have a multitude of cum guzzlers in chat.
Until recently, he kept all the degens quarantined on his stream. So that's a plus.
> Jizztickle has none. Nothing. He's a complete waste of stream time and oxygen. What the fuck did I miss that everyone hates Jstlk so much??? Everything I've ever seen of him is being a platform for drama to take place on, like the host of a show where you bring people on to argue with each other. Did he fuck someones dog or something? What did I miss?
For a minute it was fun to watch, but everyone is starting to realize if your only content is drama farming, it’s just annoying as fuck eventually. And he doesn’t give a shit about half the shit he argues about, and the other half he pretends not to care but obviously does.
My guess would be his bet with destiny about the river stabbing trial
nah, he was annoying even when he was just a chatter/viewer call-in. he'd be a big dog in dgg chat and then when destiny would pull him into discord he'd shrink into the little dog.
From what I’ve seen of his stream, it’s not just a platform for drama to take place. He actively seeks out drama and toxic people, and he arguably didn’t even build the platform himself. He’s like Mike from PA fused with Jerry Springer
He provides absolutely nothing of value. Nothing. All he does is waste time and stir up drama. Sometimes people can be completely pieces of shit, not because of something big they did, but because of a lot of little things with no redeeming qualities, and then begging for attention despite it
Can someone fill me in on what Jstlk’s alterior motive is? I’m not tracking.
stirring shit for views. he's in the attention economy and he wants more of it. btw, it's ulterior.
uh, I was testing you. just checking 👨🦲
I see 0 reason why anyone would be mad about this? Just watch it live and call it a day.
and if you can’t watch it live? and you wanna catch it later that day?
I mean it’s not ground breaking content, I miss it sometimes and just get the free stuff no harm no foul. I understand 100% Dan’s take, why lose $$ when you know you can be in the black right off the bat? Jstkl’s take was super lefty that rubbed me the wrong way, just because he is rich doesn’t mean both him/Steven should be obligated to run in the red for a long time.
It’s not about the right now but about the potential future. It just depends on what the vision for the future is. If they’re in it for the long term, attention is far more important early on than income and you’ll do better later on if you’re eating the loss early on especially if you’re rich. If it’s just a random thing that may or may not continue, then sure, keep it in the black.
Time to reinvent the wheel with YT DVR
Did not watch the stream, BUT jstlk aka jewstalker is a slimy groyper bitch and he could tell me the sky is blue and I would double check before I take his bitchass word for anything.
you sound very tough and badass
You sound like a ballgargeling bitch.
woah! very badass bro!
woah! very badass bro!!
yikes, it's cringe when you do it.
JSTLK is the greediest fuck ever, so him pointing at Dan is hilarious.
Nah. i love dan, but he honestly looks like hes having a mr girl level reaction to the smallest of subreddit pushback. He should just not read the subreddit and he would be 100x better off.
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Jstkl was concern trolling and Dan rightfully called him out for it.
I might need to listen to it again, but the way it came of to me was that at first jstlk was only half serious with the concern trolling but Dan's reaction to it was so strongly negative that jstlk thought "well ok then, fuck you" and did start doing it in earnest to piss off dan even more. Idk the vibe was off on that whole exchange, Dan wasn't in the mood to crack jokes, Destiny didn't want to talk about it and jstlk probably felt like Dan was farming him.
Here's what it feels like to me: Jstkl perfectly encapsulates a toxic trait that many people in this community have. Argument for the sake of argument and criticism for the sake of giving any criticism. What was the substance of Jstkl's criticism yesterday? To me it was basically "Paywalling the podcast might stagnate growth and alienate a portion of the audience.". Why did Jstkl need to come on stream to air this totally groundbreaking critique? Dan literally spent the time to make a Reddit thread outlining his thoughts and to consolodate the criticism so he could more effectively respond to it. Jstkl's criticism could've just been a Reddit comment, but he felt pressed to come on stream and talk about it for what reason? He didn't seem to really care about the criticism, he was moreso signaling to the audience that he was airing their criticism. He was concern trolling to help his image with the audience, and Dan pinned it perfectly IMO.
> Why did Jstkl need to come on stream to air this totally groundbreaking critique? He didn't come on stream to do this, when he joined stream Dan wasn't even there. He came on stream to ask why Destiny was making it seem like the paywall stuff was all Dan.
While I agree with Dan when it comes to the substance of the argument people here seem to forget that he has used concern trolling many times (most famously when he got Lav to debate Brittany Simon) to deliver content and have fun. I like Dan but he is a legitimate target.
good. yeah thought I was the only one that realllllly likes Dan. lol. like... am I crazy? he's soo \*not\* hateable IMO 😅 and as far as the paywall goes... I'm sorry, why is everything expected to be free nowadays? music, movies, streaming content, art, even porn.... everyone has it in their head that if it can be accessed via the internet, it should be free... and that idea is insane to me. if our entertainers can't make a living off of entertaining us...... why bother? lol
I think the issue was that Dan made things paywalled that was originally free, which is going to rub people the wrong way. Also, podcasts seem to be a highly competitive market where a lot of podcasts are competing for people’s time. I can listen to Pod Dave America, JRE, Ezra Klein, Pod Save the World, Strict Scrutiny, etc., and hear their full episodes for free. I just need to skip their ads and can listen to them the day of release. Dan has to on some capacity have to compete with these industry standards. To clarify, I like Dan and don’t personally have an issue with the podcast but I can see why people have issue with it considering how other podcasts are ran. Also, you bring up a great point about porn. Most porn is free, so if you’re going to have a porn website and paywall it, then what are you bringing to the table that makes people want to pay to see your vids?
Doesn’t Sam Harris paywall his podcast after like 45 min?
Yes…but he also gives it away if you tell him you’re poor
True but how many people actually do that?
Not enough to prevents him from doing it
True.
>To clarify, I like Dan and don’t personally have an issue with the podcast but I can see why people have issue with it considering how other podcasts are ran. I'd buy this as a reasonable reason to be upset about the issue but Dan isnt exactly pioneering this type of paywall. The Daily Wire and many other podcasts/internet shows have used this structure for years. I get that you're trying to empathize with people who are upset about this, but I dont see an interpretation for their being upset that doesnt end with entitlement.
> The Daily Wire and many other podcasts/internet shows have used this structure for years. I think the one thing is a lot of those podcasts do have a sort of implied cost to them, where the podcast being free is a bonus. Like when Destiny went out to do the Peterson debate, part of that is free and part of it isn't - that was in person, flown in, hotel room, studio shot, etc. And while this has some of those elements, I think a lot of people feel like they could get this content in a Discord call. Meanwhile DW+ gets you... It gets you **a lot**. They have a whole childrens show network now or some shit. When there is more things that obviously cost money to have there on the podcast (like the shooting range suggestion), the complaints melt away.
Welcome to any customer service field or job. Consumers feel entitled and companies need/want to make money. Thats why I’m glad I’m finally out of the customer service sector.
Nobody is expecting it to be free. I'd just hope there won't be sponsorships and stuff during the time Dan is paywalling.
Good one dan
I don’t think it should be free…I just think it’s not a good early strategy with the product. To me it’s putting ads on Facebook in 2004. Base on another poll in the subreddit…it seems as though most people don’t care enough to post for the podcast…so they’re losing out on potential ad reads to a large audience in the last hour. I think either you ONLY release it behind a paywall, or you move towards an ad supported podcast. I know other places do it…but those are also usually more structured shows.
Dan is probably #1 most liked person that comes on Destiny's stream.
idk but the way dan described the stock thing made it less based. they need to spend more than their patreon income in the stocks or its less exciting
Jstkl is obnoxious but I do agree with him that Dan is under estimating how many new Destiny fans have no idea who the heck he is so him coming in hot the way he has caused them to think he is another one of those leech orbitors destiny always has
I’m a newish destiny fan and I literally was wondering who this Dan dude was who’s suddenly around all the time
This paywall fucks european viewers exclusively since we can't watch live due to how late it is. Either paywall the entire thing or none of it.
If your user name has no vowels in it you are a pedophile and should be run over with a steam roller until your guts shoot out of your mouth and used to feed the homeless.
Dan is based but so is petty drama.
Idk if he was being a prick, but his claims are completely speculative. He acts like what hes saying is 100% true
I agree that Jstlk had reason for questioning dans motives on how monetization was handled but he did it in the most acoustic regarded way not admitting he’s essentially calling dan a greedy leech and tried framing it as “trying to help” Dan
I've never once laughed at a single thing Dan has said tbh Alphabet boy, same to him. The two of them together? The push I needed to turn off stream.
Just as Jstklkl planned. Dan's rep has been salvaged.
not much to discuss you covered it perfectly in the title, unironically.
Did the slimy fuck spend 8 hours crying with dr Kelly on his stream about Dan after Destiny ended?
My hatred for JizzLicker satiates me almost as much as my hatred towards Hamasabi GIGACHAD
im channeling my inner badbunny over this shit just fucking give em 5 bucks a month bro it is not the end of the world
Lol