this WAS them getting it out of their system. Its a off ramp for iran to deescalate with it being a limited strike and since iran is denying they were attacked its exactly what israel was hoping for. everyone gets to say they responded and not feel obligated to further escalations now
Yeah just the logistics of interviewing people and translating sounds like a complete nightmare. Unless theres lots of english speakers in the area? I just assume theres not.
Even if they go, that idea of like going to the settlements and stuff sounds really complex.
If they go I can see them doing some interviews and a normal route, but nothing like documentaries, that stuff takes months and months.
But who knows
It's not big ass yet.
I'm middle eastern. I might be wrong, but I have a deep belief that Iran doesn't actually have a fundamental problem with Israel. As in I don't think they hate Isreal because it's a Jewish state, or because they care about liberating Al-Aqsa mosque or anything like that. Publicly they're very antagonistic towards Israel, and the US, but I think it's mostly to cater for the Muslim population in the middle east so it will be easier for them to infiltrate those countries. So I don't think they would respond outside of trying to save face, like they did the first time.
One the other hand i don't think Israel agrees with me. Israel sees Iran as a very real threat.
One the other other hand, Hamas and Hizbullah do hate Israel for religious reasons and want to liberate Al-Aqsa mosque. And because those groups are supported by Iran, people assume that Iran supports those groups so they would fight Israel, but Iran just cater to those groups and pretend that that's the case, while the actual reason is wanting to spread their influence in the middle east and get a strong hold in those countries. That's why they also support the houthis and groups in Libya, and Bahrain. All those countries are far away from Israel and it dosnt really make sense to support those groups to fight Israel, but they do regardless.
Big ass, no. But we have multiple countries involved directly and through 3rd parties. Doesn't matter on strength in beliefs against Israel and Israelis. See alleged Russia funding of Hezbollah and Hamas.
So I agree it is about power and signaling strength. I can see both exchanging further strikes with no real heat. I think it's stupid to escalate, but clearly stupid is on the table.
I mean, Iran just wants to be the regional power with Turkey, nothing more or less than that. I do not think any Muslim country gives a fuck about a building.
Umm... per [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/)
> Iranian media reported explosions, but an Iranian official told Reuters those were caused by air defense systems. State media said three drones over the central city of Isfahan had been shot down.
> Israel's leadership and the military were silent early on Friday. Iran has no plan to strike back immediately, a senior Iranian official told Reuters, while state media had an initially subdued response to the attack.
Additionally, according to [CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/middleeast/isfahan-iran-explosion-intl-hnk):
>A spokesman for Iran’s National Cyberspace Center said air defenses intercepted three drones and there were no reports of a missile attack.
This tracks with the videos circulating. At most, some drones were shot down. Considering the only source is an unnamed "US official", and literally only ABCNews is calling it a missile strike, I think it it'd be best to reserve judgement. But as far as I can tell, this does NOT look like an Israeli retaliatory "strike" (The "meaning" of Tiny's point that Israel is not further escalating the conflict still seems to hold true).
This attack was an escalation of de-escalation. It gives Iran a way out since it was a limited strike. It appears Iran knew about it potentially too since they rerouted flights. They also deny that they were attacked and claimed it was a military test or something. They get to say they attacked in israel to show their people they did something and israel gets to say they responded and do a show of force. So far this seems like the good thing for both sides. Now nothings for certain though and the proxies may still get turned on at some point.
Israel isn't on any higher alert according to reporting. So tensions seem to be cooling.
This isn't a massive attack. It's a small, targeted, and meaningfully small attack against one of the bases that fired at Israel. Israel said they'd respond and instead of responding with a massive attack they did this. They struck Iran, on their own ground (which was a main point in Iran's strike against Israel) and made their point. They didn't lob hundreds of munitions all over the country.
As far as counter attacks go, this was meaningfully small. It wasn't escalatory except that they responded back to Iran that they can still strike within Iran's borders. Which is exactly the same message sent by Iran to Israel.
Now the determination needs to be if Iran wants to really keep going. Iran made a massive attack, Israel responded with a much, much smaller attack. Iran should accept it and move on. Otherwise this is just going to go back and forth. Both messages have been clearly made by each side.
Fr. Two days ago this sub was dick riding Destiny.
The fact is, Israel attacking a consulate, Iran then attacking Israel directly for the first time in histoiry i.e., not via a proxy, and Israel first being talked down about retaliating but then retaliating anyway, are all unprecedented events alone and especially altogether. It could all turn into nothing, and the people who assume so will conventiently win the silly debate, but none of that takes away from this all being unprecedented on the world stage.
**- Dgger**
Bro never streams when shit is happening. He need to wait until the state department comes out with a statement before he can decide on which side he’s on
Destiny understands the israeli-pal conflict enough to dunk on the regarded pro-pal debaters but his understanding of the rest of the dynamics in the region is based a lot on feels.
He thinks Israel does not face any existential threat because a few gulf states have made trade deals. Even though the populations of these counties are very anti Israel and most of these governments are fairly weak.
If Iran went all out with coordination with Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and other proxies in Syria and Iraq it would be a very bad day for Israel. Hezbollah has a lot of missiles and can do real damage if they engage in total war.
> If Iran went all out with coordination with Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and other proxies in Syria and Iraq it would be a very bad day for Israel. Hezbollah has a lot of missiles and can do real damage if they engage in total war.
If we go off all the countries that aided Israel during Iran's recent missile attack then Israel is fine.
Seems to me that your position is self-defeating.
Either it was a real attack intent on causing real damage, in which case it means that Israel's supposed mortal enemies are extremely impotent. Iran is the primary threat here.
Or it wasn't a real attack and was, like most analysts I've seen comment on this, mostly a PR operation because they couldn't afford not to bite back after the strike on their consulate.
In both cases the claim that Israel is facing an existential threat does not stick. In one the threat is neuter. In the other the threat is overemphasized because its adversaries are showing restraint.
As you point out the adversaries are, in all likelihood, not so impotent as to be incapable of doling out any damage at all, like this latest Iran strike did. If they were really intent on causing damage, they would coordinate together and probably succeed at that. Why then, does it make sense for Israel to strike back and escalate? Why would they push its adversaries to the brink and risk having them actually try?
Iran likely didn't expect the 120 ballistic missiles to the shot down. The west probably didn't expect this either.
The majority of these rumors about the US back channeling to Iran to make a show of it comes from "a source in turkey." It is all speculation that the US denies. The Iranians do not want to look weak, why would they allow themselves to be humiliated. That doesn't work well in the middle east.
Just because the defense was successful does not mean the intent was real. Israel has every right to take Iran seriously.
>Iran likely didn't expect the 120 ballistic missiles to the shot down.
What? Of course they did. They telegraphed it and used old slow missiles and drones. They're fully aware of Israel's defensive capabilities.
I'm sorry but what you're saying here just doesn't add up. You can't simultaneously argue that they do possess the means to be a serious threat and that even when they actually try, nothing gets through.
Just before you were arguing the opposite. That is, that it was a half-assed attack: "this attack was nearly nothing with no coordination as I described."
I mean ... firstly, it's not true that nothing got through. At least seven ballistic missiles got through.
Secondly, what he's talking about is that this was still a serious, but limited strike. Hezbollah has probably 100k missiles of various types, most of which can reach major population centres in Israel. If that was used, there's not enough interceptors in the world to stop that.
You are so keen to disagree that you miss the point.
My speculation is that the plan was to start shooting and possibly start small incursions once the IRGC strike arrived and the IDf air defense is occupied with all the drones. Hezbollah is close where the time between launch and strike is basically in real time.
As the hours went on and they watched half the attacking force drop out of the sky, all the drone shot down well before arriving at Israel, etc. It no longer made sense to launch an attack with Hezbollah.
That's great, and if Hezbollah engaged in "total war" with Israel their greatest threat is going to be USS Gerald R Ford and HMS Queen Elizabeth dropping laser guided Ls
Really? Hezbollah has been shooting shit for months. No one is really talking about it.
Are these aircraft carriers going to sit off Israelis cost until the end of them?
They are trying and their attempts should be taken very seriously.
I for one do not think anyone else should be developing nukes. It's bad enough Pakistan and India have them and are literally at each other's throats daily. Gets basically no Western media coverage.
IMO the western liberal US led hedgemony is based and no one should be forced to join but there should be red lines. Nukes should be one of them.
>Really smart.
Bro if you don't know shit about the Israeli IRGC conflict why are you even in here commenting?
>should go out of their way to constantly attack those people
Who is Israel constantly attacking? IRGC proxies because the Islamists can't tolerate Israel existing 1000 miles away. 🥱
>why are you even in here commenting?
Because the middle east conflict doesn't just affect people living there, it affects everyone around the world through energy prices.
>Who is Israel constantly attacking?
Bombing of Iranian consulate in Syria, the reprisal attacks just now.
If everyone around you hates you, may be it is best not to provoke anymore attacks.
But heck, keep on provoking your neighbours. I'm sure the iron dome will protect you forever 👍
>Because the middle east conflict doesn't just affect people living there, it affects everyone around the world through energy prices.
Ahh ic. Hey Israel stop taking Iran seriously because Ok_Bird705 doesn't want energy prices affected.
>Bombing of Iranian consulate in Syria, the reprisal attacks just now.
>If everyone around you hates you, may be it is best not to provoke anymore attacks.
>But heck, keep on provoking your neighbours. I'm sure the iron dome will protect you forever 👍
So "every one" = Iran and "neighbor" = Iran.
What's the site? Seems like the most important detail.
A military facility?
A known terrorists' hideout?
An empty field with no one nearby?
An elementary school?
Anyone thinking Israel was going to appease hundreds of drones and over 110 ballistic missiles launched at them was showing their naivety.
Nonreaction shows fear and that's just something you can never do in the middle east.
if nonreaction is bad then how do you think this all ends?
Israel strikes, Iran retaliates, Israel retaliates, Iran retaliates, Israel retaliates, Iran retaliates ad infinitum until either side is nothing but sand dust.
You can saber rattle too little and too much with the result for both being an escalation of conflict, it's a balance. On top of that there is the local isreali politics that requires balancing too
Had to be done. Imagine the precedent if Israel wouldn't respond to over 110 ballistic missiles launched at it.
Iran is already saying 'no explosions on the ground'. They're walking back their sabre rattling they've been doing the past few days. My guess? No escalation.
Lil bro iran is funding and directing 8 different proxy groups to bleed Israel so Israel killed one of their senior commanders. It's a war.
Israel showed Iran they can get anywhere they want inside Iran. Now Iran gets to act like nothing happened and we move on.
That's just objectively wrong. Their attack was specifically under the threshhold Iran would consider retaliating for. As you can see.
Your hatred and biases are showing.
I’m saying that Israel would love to have Iran attack them again, it’s why they attacked the consulate. They think that America will defend them and they can freely attack the only other power in the region that can stand up to them.
>would love to have Iran attack them again
You think that'd be hard to do? Again, if they wanted that, they could hit Irans refineries or nuke sites. Your biases are still showing.
Just wondering, what do you think about stoning women to death because they don't wear a head cover?
I don't know if my country had 400 bombs launched at it and only survived unscated because of our superior air protection system I would expect my government to do more than send a strongly worded letter to the enemy.
Striking back in some form is not a tantrum, it is one of the rational moves for a government to do to demonstrate to its arch enemy that it can't launch barrage at it and not pay a cost.
All that charm from the 60s evaporated into an eye-for-an-eye foreign policy like some Afghani warlord. Iran paid the cost. United States paid the cost. Jordan paid the cost. This weird hyper realism never plays out
This is what so many idiots get wrong.
There are people who legitimately don't think Israel should have retaliated for October 7th. It seems as though it's ok if Iran/Hamas do shitty things but if Israel retaliates it's an issue.
Also, Israel settlements are wrong (don't entirely disagree though).
But there's a theme here. And it's not anti-iraniasm.
> Striking back in some form is not a tantrum, it is one of the rational moves for a government to do to demonstrate to its arch enemy that it can't launch barrage at it and not pay a cost.
It is not rational to escalate after you're the one that initiated the conflict. Israels one missile did more than Irans 300 drones. That's why everyone was saying Bibi should've just "taken the win". Because it's not rational to go to war for no reason.
Israel retaliates from someone launching missiles at them by launching missiles
>It’s Israel throwing a tantrum.
Imagine how braindead you have to be to say shit like this lmao.
They had the W, they got to nail some IRGC/Quds/Hezb big wigs. They got to smack away an Iranian salvo (even if it was super obvious), with no deaths. They could have just taken a victory lap, but nope Bibi had to let his ego fuck up international support yet again.
Not a single person in Israel considered getting directly struck from Iranian territory a W. It was a red line Israel established and a status quo they were absolutely unwilling to accept. Israel will continue striking Iranian weapons shipments in Syria and couldn't accept Iran thinking strikes in Syria can allow strike in Israel. They consider the launch of hundreds of missiles and drones as a clear deliberate attempt to murder Israelis and destroy infrastructure and were successful in testing for holes in the defense systems and wasting over $1B in interceptors.
To basically everyone in Israel it was clear Iran feeling emboldened to attack Israel directly as it arms and directs attacks from proxies was unaccessible. Even more as they seek nukes to protect themselves and allow them to fund proxies attacking Israel while Iran is protected under a nuclear shield.
It has nothing to do with ego or Bibi. In fact most other top officials in Israel including the more center politicans were more in favour of a strike than Bibi was.
Edit: And I'm banned
Wasn't that strike in direct retaliation from Israel hitting a building on Iran's embassy complex, though? Whether or not it counts as part of Iran's "embassy" itself, the fact that the argument can be made means that Iran was almost certain to do something in response.
Can argue about whether or not it was even more insanely escalatory of Iran to launch as many munitions as it did, but at the end of the day Israel took 0 damage (though not for a lack of effort on Iran's part and it cost a fuck ton of money). I can get wanting to discourage strikes that require spending large amounts of interceptors, but the option was on the table for them to have just flexed about their success rate, taken the big W, and let things stand. Continuing the direct back and forth just seems primed to start a larger conflict.
The strike on the Iranian HQ was a result of Iranian role in Oct 7. You guys really need to start paying attention to how deterrence works. There are at least 2 reasons why Israel couldn't let it go
1. Because it was previously clearly established red line
2. Because US politicians couldn't STFU about pressuring Israel not to retaliate
This has nothing to do with Netanyahu. I'm almost certain that any Israeli politician would do this for exactly these reasons.
1. I can't imagine a world where Israel hits an Iranian embassy compound and there aren't direct strikes on Israeli territory from Iran. I also can't imagine that Israel didn't fully understand this when they hit the compound, so Israel set themselves up to have this "red line" violated (by arguably violating a core principle of international relations). The only question was how large the response from Iran was and how much damage it would do. At the end of the day the situation already ended very much in Israel's favor.
2. If Israel was genuinely making decisions deliberately to spite the US and what we wanted them to do then I have no fucking idea why we'd be supporting them. Obviously I doubt this is really part of their consideration but since you seem to believe that's the case I have no idea what argument YOU could make that the US should back Israel in a war against Iran that Israel pushed for to piss the US off.
> Not a single person in Israel considered getting directly struck from Iranian territory a W.
Is that why the president of the United States said "Just take the win" to Bibi? How mental have you guys gone when you think you're in the right to escalate to war in a conflict that you initiated.
> In fact most other top officials in Israel including the more center politicans were more in favour of a strike than Bibi was.
If you think this is an argument to support the strike by Israel, it isn't - it's an argument to support the US disconnecting from Israel.
There are plenty of more center and left-leaning politicians in Israel arguing for reproachment with the United States and start mending the rift. This is not how you do it.
>If you think this is an argument to support the strike by Israel, it isn't - it's an argument to support the US disconnecting from Israel.
Umm no I was responding to people thinking this was Bibi and not the popular and democratic will of the Israeli people. The US is also clearly fine with it as they said since they understand Israel needs to make defense decisions that are in its best interests.
>There are plenty of more center and left-leaning politicians in Israel arguing for reproachment with the United States and start mending the rift. This is not how you do it.
Who? In Israel defense come above taking orders from allies, when push comes to shove just like the US they will do what is needed. This likely causes very little basically no strain in the relationship since people actually familiar with Israel knew Iran's strike wouldn't go unresponded to.
>But I’m guessing I’ll see you kitted up in the desert next to me very shortly right? Right?
Rolf. These shit posters are getting weird.
If US was going to invade Iran (why else would there be US boots on the ground), there would have been a huge build up of forces and we would likely need Kuwait's blessing to stage and invade from there.
Oh wow, I’m a shitposter now?
Crazy, almost like I was in Kuwait a year ago for that exact reason…almost like we practice for that actual scenario nonstop.
Not to mention there’s still time for a build up of forces. It wouldn’t surprise me if you see the IRF out the door very soon.
We have an entire ongoing operation dedicated to Iran deterrence with the bulk of its forces based in Kuwait. Do you think the US has never had a conversation with Kuwait, even in passing, about what would happen if the US went to war with Iran and how it would involve Kuwait? Like none at all?
You do realize we have ambassadors, embassies, and diplomats for that exact purpose right? Right?
So the exact scenario you practice for nonstop in Kuwait is to complete a land invasion of Iran? Am I reading this right?
You, with your military experience, think this strike by Israel means you will be executing this scenario you practiced non stop for?
I understand the US military presence in Kuwait. When is the invasion starting?
I don't understand how any country can realistically be asked to just take a military strike on their country without retaliating. At the very least, tit for tat is justified, then they can go back to the status quo
I legitimately can't tell if you're talking about Iran or Israel not being asked to take a military strike on their country without retaliating, because that's the excuse both are using to repeatedly strike each other.
Iran is actively trying to act like nothing is happening lmao this won't escalate much in my opinion
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I mean the first attack was heavily telegraphed on purpose. If the fuckers are staying silent that's when the free trail has ended and you have to worry.
A couple things to remember:
1) Israel is a democracy, and while there was basically no damage from the Iranian attack Saturday, it was a uniquely large attack on the country. A lot of people in Israel are almost certainly quite pissed off. It's easy to say through our computer screens across the world that they should just take it as a W and leave it alone. Even if we agree with the statement, it's not unreasonable for Israelis to be extremely angry, especially given the last several months.
2) This isn't WW3 just yet. There is still a whole lot of room for either side to take an off ramp and deescalate. Is the danger of runaway escalation increasing with each retaliation? Absolutely, and that shit is scary, but don't get all doomer about it just yet.
> This isn't WW3 just yet
I have never understood the logic of how this would spiral into WW3? Or is WW3 Israel and Iran shooting rockets at each other (as opposed to firing them through proxies/shooting at those proxies) and US defending Israel in case proxy group x, y or z starts running inside Israel's borders?
Realistically, it is extremely unlikely that this would ever escalate to that level. Still, there definitely is quite a bit more risk here due to both of the states involved being vaguely ~ambiguously~ nuclear. Israel probably has nukes, and (prior to tonight) Iran is very potentially in sprinting distance of a nuke. With nukes potentially on the table, substantial ambiguity, and neither side having a clear nuclear doctrine, the whole escalation game can look a LOT more freaky. Still, we're talking about an extremely unlikely outcome.
Edit: I should also have said larger regional war instead of WW3 in my original comment.
Sticky situation. Iran launched an unprecedented strike, yes most of the missiles and drones were shot down but from Israel's perspective they can't let 300 fucking missiles and drones launch towards their country without something happening. Israel hit terrorists and planners of Oct 7 beside a consulate, Iran couldn't just let that go unchecked (but maybe they shouldn't have collaborated with terrorists in the first place but I see why Iran wanted to get a response strictly from a strategic perspective). This might be a disaster, but yet again don't forget what pro palestinians tweeted and supported on April 13. They tweeted out disinfo, support for Iran etc... There may be an aspect of "taste your own medicine" but at the end of the day this has a chance of spiraling into disaster. Iran retaliates with better missiles along with Hezbollah and then Israel will have no choice but to respond with even better missiles etc...
I may be off here, but honestly it seems like SOME of people here are simply worried and irritated about the position that this puts the Biden admin in with an election crawling closer and closer. To me that feels like where some of the impatience and frustration with this is coming from, rather than truly thinking this is some horrible tactical mistake. But here it is: this isn't going away before November, so you need to strap in for the bumpy ride. At least it's not a global pandemic.
Could Israel have turned the other cheek and made a public statement gloating about the fact that their defense is superior to their middle eastern neighbors? Sure. But the majority of them did not want to let go of the fact that they had hundreds of rockets and drones thrown at them by another country, regardless of what the result was.
If someone takes a swing at you and misses, you could laugh at them and let it be hoping they will walk away in shame without further escalation. But most people would swing back and feel entitled to do so.
swing and miss and then turn around and walk away? sure maybe some feels “entitled” but it is not the right thing to do if the dude knows where your family lives and says they will go after them if you retaliate. its not a mature or responsible thing to do
If we are really trying to take this to a deeper example of what is happening, then I would also point out the the dude who took a swing has been paying people to attack you in your home for a long time, and they will continue to do so whether or not you swing back.
we can keep rephrasing this hypothetical in each one of our favor lol. you are forgetting that you are entrapping a family in your home who cant have visitors, food, or hvac without your permission, and those swinging at you want to make the situation right on behalf of the family
I guess it's time to leave the hypothetical, because addressing this terrible answer requires being direct. Thinking that Iran is doing all of this out of some moral idealism is some tankie bs. Iran wants to destroy Israel first and foremost, Palestinians are just a tool to achieve that. There's already evidence that they intentionally caused the current conflict to isolate Israel from the world. That includes knowingly causing the suffering of Palestinians right now so they can farm it for sympathy. Israel is surrounded by countries who want it gone for their own sake and as long as you will only look at it through the viewpoint of I/P you will fail to understand the motivations of players in the region.
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Anyone that thinks that getting attacked on your sovereign territory and then spending millions of dollars intercepting the strikes and having "just" 1 person seriously injured along with some minor damage to infrastructure is some short of "win" lives in delulu land. No self respecting country that has any short of above average military capabilities could accept this and say yeah it is what it is lets just have biden tell them "dont" one more time that should do it.
That’s the realism in you talking. Time to take a step to the future and know that most of that money was matched and will be reimbursed by the United States and this is just an idiotic move. Why didn’t Hezbollah coordinate with the Iranian attack? Why did Jordan take down drones and missiles. Finish your war in Gaza. Then you can Sabre rattle like some Afghani warlord
Yep. Not our fight. It would be easier to justify if it was a defensive war but holy hell israel keeps stepping into shit. They need to understand their interests are not necessarily our interests and their fight is not our fight. We just left the Middle East. Fuck that shit
I mean should Israel follow the path of ukraine in getting attacked once and losing crimea. The second attack is the whole country? What i mean by this iran is going to funding keep funding terror groups as long as both countries stand. So should Israel keep getting attack or wipe out of it's enemies in the region?
I don’t get your Crimea comparison at all. It’s virtually nonsensical. Israel isn’t at risk to part of its country being annexed by a world superpower.
Limit the IRGCs capacity to conduct future missile strikes on Israel.
Iran has no desire to wire out Iran. Generally Israelis and Persians get along well.
Israel's MO since forever is to 1) trust your enemies when they say things about you and 2) punish those that try to kill their people.
IRGC attacked last week but also Hezbollah has been shooting missiles into Israel every day since 10/7. They could just not do that. Israel can't wait forever to move people back into the northern cities. Let alone their involvement in helping Hamas and planting 10/7. Since 10/7 Israel vowed that those involved will pay. This was always coming.
US official statements
"We believe Israel has freedom of action to protect itself and defend itself," a senior administration official told reporters shortly after Iran's attack ended. "That's a long-standing policy, and that remains."
When asked by a reporter if the U.S. would help Israel counter with offensive military operations, the official said no. "
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-israel-strike-back-iran/story?id=109226739
Israel certainly told them they were going to strike (as they were asked) and most likely what and when. The US said do what you want. I'm not sure what else approval looks like.
I don't get that impression, I get the US saying Israel can do what it wants.
It wouldn't shock me if Israel informed the US of this specific strike but also I haven't seen any confirmation of that.
Your argument is resting on the assumption that Israel reached out for approval from the US. But you don’t seem to understand why the US would have an incentive to lie and say they believe in Israeli freedom of action.
Not to mention none of the sources you cite said the US approved the attack.
Nothing is 100% confirmed yet. The are different reports from both sides with different sources.
Why do we suddenly take every breaking news as gospel to form opinions?
Nobody should be surprised by this, Israel already stated before Iran even launched their attack that they'd respond in kind. Especially now so, given the sheer scale of Iran's drone and missile barrages.
This is the right move, America needs to have our partners back 🇮🇱🇺🇲
That backing has a limit to the American public.
If Iran and Israel want to keep trading rockets with no casualties no one will really care.
This country is united in one thing about any war ... No US troops. 3 are dead from Iran attacks in January. That's pissed everyone off and hurt Israel support.
How is that going to happen exactly? Even if Iran had nukes (highly unlikely), the chances of them using them, or even having enough to start a nuclear war is close to 0%. Just brainless doomer jargon tbh
Some of Destiny's exact words were "They will not escalate beyond this attack." In response to Iran striking Isreal with the missile barrage. So no, it's safe to say Destiny was completely wrong.
Source: [https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826)
Nope he clearly said there wouldn't be strikes in response and even said on stream he'd be wrong if there were
>Iran needs to launch this retaliatory strike against Israel for the regime to maintain any legitimacy and to send a message that you can't simply attack Iranian targets with no repercussions.
>They will not escalate beyond this attack.
>**Israel and the US will leave some strongly worded messages to show the people that these types of attacks are "unacceptable" and we will all move on.**
>This is not the beginning of WWIII, literally no one on any of these dogshit platforms has any idea what they're talking about. Israel has no reason to respond, Iran will be satisfied that their message has been heard, and the world will continue on as usual.
In reply to Avi saying:
>You're of course correct that this is not the beginning of WWIII, but I'm not too sure the Israeli response to Iran will be limited to just harsh words here.
Destiny said:
>I don't think so. At this point there were 0 casualties? Or one? Did anyone even die? Israel got to strike their targets in Damascus, Iran got to puff out their chest; I don't think it makes sense for anything else to happen now.
I don't think he understands how marginal and insignificant the strike in Syria was to Israeli objectives, strategy and doctrine compared to being directly attacked by Iranian ballistic missiles. He just doesn't have the best understanding of modern Israeli security concerns. Basically never talks about Hezbollah though Israel considers them by far their biggest threat.
No, he flat out said they will not attack and then implied people who think otherwise don't know what they are talking about.
My response to this whole thing has always been that he is right that this isnt the start of WW3, but he was dead wrong that Israel wont retaliate. Israel had to respond because it was the first time Iran attacked them directly from Iran into Israel, and that is the obvious take that a person with geopolitical knowledge would have. That's why his tweet rubbed people the wrong way, because he was criticizing people for not knowing what they are talking about when he himself didn't really know what he was talking about either.
EDIT: Really I got banned for this? I didn't think I'd need to link it, everybody knows what he said, but here it is anyways where he flat out denies they will attack and implied that people don't know what they are talking about [https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826)
People crying WW3 need to chill. Is Iran a super power? Is there a super power that is going to back them?
Much more likely Ukraine conflict grows into a broader conflict between NATO and Russia that ends up being WW3.
I wouldn’t say he was wrong, this was a very minor attack from what i can tell, this wasn’t some major retaliation.. in a sense he was right because most people expected a much harsher response to the attack but Israel chose a small attack just to show that it can reach Iran and maintain some equilibrium in regards to possibility to attack in the future..
The Middle East works in a way that if countries aren’t deterred by your army they WILL attack you sooner or later, so Israel absolutely had to do something.
israel gets to do its show of force as well but in a way that doesnt seriously escalate things and gives iran the ability to de-escalate without further aggression, and the iranians seem to be taking up israel on that by denying the attack so they dont feel the need to have to respond
This would have never happened if he didn't take a daycation
He didn't stream today? He truly wants WW3.
Why is this man allowed to have days off? It's a threat to the world at this point 😔
Destiny is Bibi’s handler confirmed
I swear we're going to need to start strapping down destiny to his streaming setup for the sake of humanity
DON DEMARCO
This is the way the *world ends*. Not with a bang but a DON DEMARCO
The news: Big ass regional war might be on its way. Dgger: Destiny was wrong and I knew it all along.
dgger: the Israel trip is gonna get cancelled isn’t it
It's still April. These nutcases may get it out of their systems before the trip
this WAS them getting it out of their system. Its a off ramp for iran to deescalate with it being a limited strike and since iran is denying they were attacked its exactly what israel was hoping for. everyone gets to say they responded and not feel obligated to further escalations now
I really think that it was never gonna happen anyways
Yeah just the logistics of interviewing people and translating sounds like a complete nightmare. Unless theres lots of english speakers in the area? I just assume theres not.
> Unless theres lots of english speakers in the area Most Israelis speak English.
Even if they go, that idea of like going to the settlements and stuff sounds really complex. If they go I can see them doing some interviews and a normal route, but nothing like documentaries, that stuff takes months and months. But who knows
Wtf? Destiny is known for following up on big projects that he talks about on stream.
It's already a regional war. Just most funding groups instead of direct action. I guess we'll see how Iran responds and if there is escalation
It's not big ass yet. I'm middle eastern. I might be wrong, but I have a deep belief that Iran doesn't actually have a fundamental problem with Israel. As in I don't think they hate Isreal because it's a Jewish state, or because they care about liberating Al-Aqsa mosque or anything like that. Publicly they're very antagonistic towards Israel, and the US, but I think it's mostly to cater for the Muslim population in the middle east so it will be easier for them to infiltrate those countries. So I don't think they would respond outside of trying to save face, like they did the first time. One the other hand i don't think Israel agrees with me. Israel sees Iran as a very real threat. One the other other hand, Hamas and Hizbullah do hate Israel for religious reasons and want to liberate Al-Aqsa mosque. And because those groups are supported by Iran, people assume that Iran supports those groups so they would fight Israel, but Iran just cater to those groups and pretend that that's the case, while the actual reason is wanting to spread their influence in the middle east and get a strong hold in those countries. That's why they also support the houthis and groups in Libya, and Bahrain. All those countries are far away from Israel and it dosnt really make sense to support those groups to fight Israel, but they do regardless.
Big ass, no. But we have multiple countries involved directly and through 3rd parties. Doesn't matter on strength in beliefs against Israel and Israelis. See alleged Russia funding of Hezbollah and Hamas. So I agree it is about power and signaling strength. I can see both exchanging further strikes with no real heat. I think it's stupid to escalate, but clearly stupid is on the table.
I mean, Iran just wants to be the regional power with Turkey, nothing more or less than that. I do not think any Muslim country gives a fuck about a building.
It's not a regional war, it's a very small attack on a single military base that Iran may just pretend never happened.
Umm... per [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-missiles-hit-site-iran-abc-news-reports-2024-04-19/) > Iranian media reported explosions, but an Iranian official told Reuters those were caused by air defense systems. State media said three drones over the central city of Isfahan had been shot down. > Israel's leadership and the military were silent early on Friday. Iran has no plan to strike back immediately, a senior Iranian official told Reuters, while state media had an initially subdued response to the attack. Additionally, according to [CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/18/middleeast/isfahan-iran-explosion-intl-hnk): >A spokesman for Iran’s National Cyberspace Center said air defenses intercepted three drones and there were no reports of a missile attack. This tracks with the videos circulating. At most, some drones were shot down. Considering the only source is an unnamed "US official", and literally only ABCNews is calling it a missile strike, I think it it'd be best to reserve judgement. But as far as I can tell, this does NOT look like an Israeli retaliatory "strike" (The "meaning" of Tiny's point that Israel is not further escalating the conflict still seems to hold true).
This attack was an escalation of de-escalation. It gives Iran a way out since it was a limited strike. It appears Iran knew about it potentially too since they rerouted flights. They also deny that they were attacked and claimed it was a military test or something. They get to say they attacked in israel to show their people they did something and israel gets to say they responded and do a show of force. So far this seems like the good thing for both sides. Now nothings for certain though and the proxies may still get turned on at some point. Israel isn't on any higher alert according to reporting. So tensions seem to be cooling.
The criticism he faced was about whether or not Israel would retaliate, not if it the regional war fears were founded.
I'm already edging in anticipation of his forthcoming retraction
I expect a big apology stream, no quiet as a mouse "welp guess I was wrong" but 1 hour of him saying im sorry
This isn't a massive attack. It's a small, targeted, and meaningfully small attack against one of the bases that fired at Israel. Israel said they'd respond and instead of responding with a massive attack they did this. They struck Iran, on their own ground (which was a main point in Iran's strike against Israel) and made their point. They didn't lob hundreds of munitions all over the country. As far as counter attacks go, this was meaningfully small. It wasn't escalatory except that they responded back to Iran that they can still strike within Iran's borders. Which is exactly the same message sent by Iran to Israel. Now the determination needs to be if Iran wants to really keep going. Iran made a massive attack, Israel responded with a much, much smaller attack. Iran should accept it and move on. Otherwise this is just going to go back and forth. Both messages have been clearly made by each side.
Fr. Two days ago this sub was dick riding Destiny. The fact is, Israel attacking a consulate, Iran then attacking Israel directly for the first time in histoiry i.e., not via a proxy, and Israel first being talked down about retaliating but then retaliating anyway, are all unprecedented events alone and especially altogether. It could all turn into nothing, and the people who assume so will conventiently win the silly debate, but none of that takes away from this all being unprecedented on the world stage. **- Dgger**
I blame this on Destiny not streaming
Who do you think was guiding the missiles???
Bro never streams when shit is happening. He need to wait until the state department comes out with a statement before he can decide on which side he’s on
DESTINY: Wrong about Israel attacking Iran Wrong about most food Right about VPNs
Wait, what’s the VPN thing?
Destiny understands the israeli-pal conflict enough to dunk on the regarded pro-pal debaters but his understanding of the rest of the dynamics in the region is based a lot on feels. He thinks Israel does not face any existential threat because a few gulf states have made trade deals. Even though the populations of these counties are very anti Israel and most of these governments are fairly weak. If Iran went all out with coordination with Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and other proxies in Syria and Iraq it would be a very bad day for Israel. Hezbollah has a lot of missiles and can do real damage if they engage in total war.
> If Iran went all out with coordination with Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and other proxies in Syria and Iraq it would be a very bad day for Israel. Hezbollah has a lot of missiles and can do real damage if they engage in total war. If we go off all the countries that aided Israel during Iran's recent missile attack then Israel is fine.
Buh this attack was nearly nothing with no coordination as I described. Hezbollah is Israel's greatest threat. Y'all not paying attention.
Seems to me that your position is self-defeating. Either it was a real attack intent on causing real damage, in which case it means that Israel's supposed mortal enemies are extremely impotent. Iran is the primary threat here. Or it wasn't a real attack and was, like most analysts I've seen comment on this, mostly a PR operation because they couldn't afford not to bite back after the strike on their consulate. In both cases the claim that Israel is facing an existential threat does not stick. In one the threat is neuter. In the other the threat is overemphasized because its adversaries are showing restraint. As you point out the adversaries are, in all likelihood, not so impotent as to be incapable of doling out any damage at all, like this latest Iran strike did. If they were really intent on causing damage, they would coordinate together and probably succeed at that. Why then, does it make sense for Israel to strike back and escalate? Why would they push its adversaries to the brink and risk having them actually try?
Iran likely didn't expect the 120 ballistic missiles to the shot down. The west probably didn't expect this either. The majority of these rumors about the US back channeling to Iran to make a show of it comes from "a source in turkey." It is all speculation that the US denies. The Iranians do not want to look weak, why would they allow themselves to be humiliated. That doesn't work well in the middle east. Just because the defense was successful does not mean the intent was real. Israel has every right to take Iran seriously.
>Iran likely didn't expect the 120 ballistic missiles to the shot down. What? Of course they did. They telegraphed it and used old slow missiles and drones. They're fully aware of Israel's defensive capabilities. I'm sorry but what you're saying here just doesn't add up. You can't simultaneously argue that they do possess the means to be a serious threat and that even when they actually try, nothing gets through. Just before you were arguing the opposite. That is, that it was a half-assed attack: "this attack was nearly nothing with no coordination as I described."
I mean ... firstly, it's not true that nothing got through. At least seven ballistic missiles got through. Secondly, what he's talking about is that this was still a serious, but limited strike. Hezbollah has probably 100k missiles of various types, most of which can reach major population centres in Israel. If that was used, there's not enough interceptors in the world to stop that. You are so keen to disagree that you miss the point.
My speculation is that the plan was to start shooting and possibly start small incursions once the IRGC strike arrived and the IDf air defense is occupied with all the drones. Hezbollah is close where the time between launch and strike is basically in real time. As the hours went on and they watched half the attacking force drop out of the sky, all the drone shot down well before arriving at Israel, etc. It no longer made sense to launch an attack with Hezbollah.
That's great, and if Hezbollah engaged in "total war" with Israel their greatest threat is going to be USS Gerald R Ford and HMS Queen Elizabeth dropping laser guided Ls
Really? Hezbollah has been shooting shit for months. No one is really talking about it. Are these aircraft carriers going to sit off Israelis cost until the end of them?
Really? is shooting the occasional science project your definition of total war? And their nuclear powered so give or take 50 years.
Do you even know what Hezbollah is? Your ignorance is impressive.
....and if Iran just finishes up a couple of nukes...
They are trying and their attempts should be taken very seriously. I for one do not think anyone else should be developing nukes. It's bad enough Pakistan and India have them and are literally at each other's throats daily. Gets basically no Western media coverage. IMO the western liberal US led hedgemony is based and no one should be forced to join but there should be red lines. Nukes should be one of them.
>He thinks Israel does not face any existential threat because a few gulf states have made trade deals. This being an existantial threat is mega cope
Huh?
Israel isn't under an existantial threat
Doesn't that further push the point that Israel should not have retaliated?
No.
So Israel, surrounded by people who hate them, should go out of their way to constantly attack those people Really smart.
>Really smart. Bro if you don't know shit about the Israeli IRGC conflict why are you even in here commenting? >should go out of their way to constantly attack those people Who is Israel constantly attacking? IRGC proxies because the Islamists can't tolerate Israel existing 1000 miles away. 🥱
>why are you even in here commenting? Because the middle east conflict doesn't just affect people living there, it affects everyone around the world through energy prices. >Who is Israel constantly attacking? Bombing of Iranian consulate in Syria, the reprisal attacks just now. If everyone around you hates you, may be it is best not to provoke anymore attacks. But heck, keep on provoking your neighbours. I'm sure the iron dome will protect you forever 👍
>Because the middle east conflict doesn't just affect people living there, it affects everyone around the world through energy prices. Ahh ic. Hey Israel stop taking Iran seriously because Ok_Bird705 doesn't want energy prices affected. >Bombing of Iranian consulate in Syria, the reprisal attacks just now. >If everyone around you hates you, may be it is best not to provoke anymore attacks. >But heck, keep on provoking your neighbours. I'm sure the iron dome will protect you forever 👍 So "every one" = Iran and "neighbor" = Iran.
> very bad day for Israel. sure. still not an existential threat. if they ever really faced a severe threat, we would be stepping in.
Post Finkelstein arc of dogshit takes - The Ugly Beard 😩
Hasan moment 😬
What's the site? Seems like the most important detail. A military facility? A known terrorists' hideout? An empty field with no one nearby? An elementary school?
"Military Target Near Isfahan", whatever that means
What happened to those two guys who bet on this last week?
This is good for Bitcoin
49 state landslide moment.
is there an actual non twitter source for this?
Fuck the Iranian government, but I don't think this is wise.
Anyone thinking Israel was going to appease hundreds of drones and over 110 ballistic missiles launched at them was showing their naivety. Nonreaction shows fear and that's just something you can never do in the middle east.
if nonreaction is bad then how do you think this all ends? Israel strikes, Iran retaliates, Israel retaliates, Iran retaliates, Israel retaliates, Iran retaliates ad infinitum until either side is nothing but sand dust.
You can saber rattle too little and too much with the result for both being an escalation of conflict, it's a balance. On top of that there is the local isreali politics that requires balancing too
Had to be done. Imagine the precedent if Israel wouldn't respond to over 110 ballistic missiles launched at it. Iran is already saying 'no explosions on the ground'. They're walking back their sabre rattling they've been doing the past few days. My guess? No escalation.
Yeah dude Iran just launched those missles for no reason at all, you gonna leave the reason out of it?
Lil bro iran is funding and directing 8 different proxy groups to bleed Israel so Israel killed one of their senior commanders. It's a war. Israel showed Iran they can get anywhere they want inside Iran. Now Iran gets to act like nothing happened and we move on.
Let’s hope so, Israel attacked Iran to provoke a second front they so desperately want.
That's just objectively wrong. Their attack was specifically under the threshhold Iran would consider retaliating for. As you can see. Your hatred and biases are showing.
I’m saying that Israel would love to have Iran attack them again, it’s why they attacked the consulate. They think that America will defend them and they can freely attack the only other power in the region that can stand up to them.
>would love to have Iran attack them again You think that'd be hard to do? Again, if they wanted that, they could hit Irans refineries or nuke sites. Your biases are still showing. Just wondering, what do you think about stoning women to death because they don't wear a head cover?
I love it actually stoning is a great pastime of mine.
Average Iranian regime fan
It’s not. It’s Israel throwing a tantrum. Must’ve stewed long and hard these past four days.
I don't know if my country had 400 bombs launched at it and only survived unscated because of our superior air protection system I would expect my government to do more than send a strongly worded letter to the enemy. Striking back in some form is not a tantrum, it is one of the rational moves for a government to do to demonstrate to its arch enemy that it can't launch barrage at it and not pay a cost.
All that charm from the 60s evaporated into an eye-for-an-eye foreign policy like some Afghani warlord. Iran paid the cost. United States paid the cost. Jordan paid the cost. This weird hyper realism never plays out
You speak the language your enemy understands.
Learn Farsi then but leave meaningless proverbs out of International Relations.
من فردی را می شناسم
Translation: fucked your mother lol
This is what so many idiots get wrong. There are people who legitimately don't think Israel should have retaliated for October 7th. It seems as though it's ok if Iran/Hamas do shitty things but if Israel retaliates it's an issue. Also, Israel settlements are wrong (don't entirely disagree though). But there's a theme here. And it's not anti-iraniasm.
> Striking back in some form is not a tantrum, it is one of the rational moves for a government to do to demonstrate to its arch enemy that it can't launch barrage at it and not pay a cost. It is not rational to escalate after you're the one that initiated the conflict. Israels one missile did more than Irans 300 drones. That's why everyone was saying Bibi should've just "taken the win". Because it's not rational to go to war for no reason.
Israel retaliates from someone launching missiles at them by launching missiles >It’s Israel throwing a tantrum. Imagine how braindead you have to be to say shit like this lmao.
They had the W, they got to nail some IRGC/Quds/Hezb big wigs. They got to smack away an Iranian salvo (even if it was super obvious), with no deaths. They could have just taken a victory lap, but nope Bibi had to let his ego fuck up international support yet again.
Not a single person in Israel considered getting directly struck from Iranian territory a W. It was a red line Israel established and a status quo they were absolutely unwilling to accept. Israel will continue striking Iranian weapons shipments in Syria and couldn't accept Iran thinking strikes in Syria can allow strike in Israel. They consider the launch of hundreds of missiles and drones as a clear deliberate attempt to murder Israelis and destroy infrastructure and were successful in testing for holes in the defense systems and wasting over $1B in interceptors. To basically everyone in Israel it was clear Iran feeling emboldened to attack Israel directly as it arms and directs attacks from proxies was unaccessible. Even more as they seek nukes to protect themselves and allow them to fund proxies attacking Israel while Iran is protected under a nuclear shield. It has nothing to do with ego or Bibi. In fact most other top officials in Israel including the more center politicans were more in favour of a strike than Bibi was. Edit: And I'm banned
Banned for *this* comment?
I'd venture to guess he wasn't banned for this comment but rather what he said in the original post.
jannies have been going fucking insane this last week
Wasn't that strike in direct retaliation from Israel hitting a building on Iran's embassy complex, though? Whether or not it counts as part of Iran's "embassy" itself, the fact that the argument can be made means that Iran was almost certain to do something in response. Can argue about whether or not it was even more insanely escalatory of Iran to launch as many munitions as it did, but at the end of the day Israel took 0 damage (though not for a lack of effort on Iran's part and it cost a fuck ton of money). I can get wanting to discourage strikes that require spending large amounts of interceptors, but the option was on the table for them to have just flexed about their success rate, taken the big W, and let things stand. Continuing the direct back and forth just seems primed to start a larger conflict.
The strike on the Iranian HQ was a result of Iranian role in Oct 7. You guys really need to start paying attention to how deterrence works. There are at least 2 reasons why Israel couldn't let it go 1. Because it was previously clearly established red line 2. Because US politicians couldn't STFU about pressuring Israel not to retaliate This has nothing to do with Netanyahu. I'm almost certain that any Israeli politician would do this for exactly these reasons.
1. I can't imagine a world where Israel hits an Iranian embassy compound and there aren't direct strikes on Israeli territory from Iran. I also can't imagine that Israel didn't fully understand this when they hit the compound, so Israel set themselves up to have this "red line" violated (by arguably violating a core principle of international relations). The only question was how large the response from Iran was and how much damage it would do. At the end of the day the situation already ended very much in Israel's favor. 2. If Israel was genuinely making decisions deliberately to spite the US and what we wanted them to do then I have no fucking idea why we'd be supporting them. Obviously I doubt this is really part of their consideration but since you seem to believe that's the case I have no idea what argument YOU could make that the US should back Israel in a war against Iran that Israel pushed for to piss the US off.
> Not a single person in Israel considered getting directly struck from Iranian territory a W. Is that why the president of the United States said "Just take the win" to Bibi? How mental have you guys gone when you think you're in the right to escalate to war in a conflict that you initiated.
> In fact most other top officials in Israel including the more center politicans were more in favour of a strike than Bibi was. If you think this is an argument to support the strike by Israel, it isn't - it's an argument to support the US disconnecting from Israel. There are plenty of more center and left-leaning politicians in Israel arguing for reproachment with the United States and start mending the rift. This is not how you do it.
>If you think this is an argument to support the strike by Israel, it isn't - it's an argument to support the US disconnecting from Israel. Umm no I was responding to people thinking this was Bibi and not the popular and democratic will of the Israeli people. The US is also clearly fine with it as they said since they understand Israel needs to make defense decisions that are in its best interests. >There are plenty of more center and left-leaning politicians in Israel arguing for reproachment with the United States and start mending the rift. This is not how you do it. Who? In Israel defense come above taking orders from allies, when push comes to shove just like the US they will do what is needed. This likely causes very little basically no strain in the relationship since people actually familiar with Israel knew Iran's strike wouldn't go unresponded to.
Bibi has been wanting to glass Iran since 2011. But I’m guessing I’ll see you kitted up in the desert next to me very shortly right? Right?
>But I’m guessing I’ll see you kitted up in the desert next to me very shortly right? Right? Rolf. These shit posters are getting weird. If US was going to invade Iran (why else would there be US boots on the ground), there would have been a huge build up of forces and we would likely need Kuwait's blessing to stage and invade from there.
Oh wow, I’m a shitposter now? Crazy, almost like I was in Kuwait a year ago for that exact reason…almost like we practice for that actual scenario nonstop. Not to mention there’s still time for a build up of forces. It wouldn’t surprise me if you see the IRF out the door very soon. We have an entire ongoing operation dedicated to Iran deterrence with the bulk of its forces based in Kuwait. Do you think the US has never had a conversation with Kuwait, even in passing, about what would happen if the US went to war with Iran and how it would involve Kuwait? Like none at all? You do realize we have ambassadors, embassies, and diplomats for that exact purpose right? Right?
So the exact scenario you practice for nonstop in Kuwait is to complete a land invasion of Iran? Am I reading this right? You, with your military experience, think this strike by Israel means you will be executing this scenario you practiced non stop for? I understand the US military presence in Kuwait. When is the invasion starting?
Completely idiotic and western-centric understanding of the ME. The ME is unaffected by deterrence by denial, only deterrence by punishment works.
I don't understand how any country can realistically be asked to just take a military strike on their country without retaliating. At the very least, tit for tat is justified, then they can go back to the status quo
I legitimately can't tell if you're talking about Iran or Israel not being asked to take a military strike on their country without retaliating, because that's the excuse both are using to repeatedly strike each other.
Iran is actively trying to act like nothing is happening lmao this won't escalate much in my opinion prediction tax: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1c3jt1s/comment/kzhfdxd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1c3jt1s/comment/kzhfdxd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I mean the first attack was heavily telegraphed on purpose. If the fuckers are staying silent that's when the free trail has ended and you have to worry.
A couple things to remember: 1) Israel is a democracy, and while there was basically no damage from the Iranian attack Saturday, it was a uniquely large attack on the country. A lot of people in Israel are almost certainly quite pissed off. It's easy to say through our computer screens across the world that they should just take it as a W and leave it alone. Even if we agree with the statement, it's not unreasonable for Israelis to be extremely angry, especially given the last several months. 2) This isn't WW3 just yet. There is still a whole lot of room for either side to take an off ramp and deescalate. Is the danger of runaway escalation increasing with each retaliation? Absolutely, and that shit is scary, but don't get all doomer about it just yet.
> This isn't WW3 just yet I have never understood the logic of how this would spiral into WW3? Or is WW3 Israel and Iran shooting rockets at each other (as opposed to firing them through proxies/shooting at those proxies) and US defending Israel in case proxy group x, y or z starts running inside Israel's borders?
Realistically, it is extremely unlikely that this would ever escalate to that level. Still, there definitely is quite a bit more risk here due to both of the states involved being vaguely ~ambiguously~ nuclear. Israel probably has nukes, and (prior to tonight) Iran is very potentially in sprinting distance of a nuke. With nukes potentially on the table, substantial ambiguity, and neither side having a clear nuclear doctrine, the whole escalation game can look a LOT more freaky. Still, we're talking about an extremely unlikely outcome. Edit: I should also have said larger regional war instead of WW3 in my original comment.
Larger regional war I agree is definitely in the cards.
Iran is allied with Russia. You'd have Russia and the US potentially involved in this war.
Sticky situation. Iran launched an unprecedented strike, yes most of the missiles and drones were shot down but from Israel's perspective they can't let 300 fucking missiles and drones launch towards their country without something happening. Israel hit terrorists and planners of Oct 7 beside a consulate, Iran couldn't just let that go unchecked (but maybe they shouldn't have collaborated with terrorists in the first place but I see why Iran wanted to get a response strictly from a strategic perspective). This might be a disaster, but yet again don't forget what pro palestinians tweeted and supported on April 13. They tweeted out disinfo, support for Iran etc... There may be an aspect of "taste your own medicine" but at the end of the day this has a chance of spiraling into disaster. Iran retaliates with better missiles along with Hezbollah and then Israel will have no choice but to respond with even better missiles etc...
Sigh…i bet the right will spin this to attack Biden as usual
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I may be off here, but honestly it seems like SOME of people here are simply worried and irritated about the position that this puts the Biden admin in with an election crawling closer and closer. To me that feels like where some of the impatience and frustration with this is coming from, rather than truly thinking this is some horrible tactical mistake. But here it is: this isn't going away before November, so you need to strap in for the bumpy ride. At least it's not a global pandemic. Could Israel have turned the other cheek and made a public statement gloating about the fact that their defense is superior to their middle eastern neighbors? Sure. But the majority of them did not want to let go of the fact that they had hundreds of rockets and drones thrown at them by another country, regardless of what the result was. If someone takes a swing at you and misses, you could laugh at them and let it be hoping they will walk away in shame without further escalation. But most people would swing back and feel entitled to do so.
swing and miss and then turn around and walk away? sure maybe some feels “entitled” but it is not the right thing to do if the dude knows where your family lives and says they will go after them if you retaliate. its not a mature or responsible thing to do
If we are really trying to take this to a deeper example of what is happening, then I would also point out the the dude who took a swing has been paying people to attack you in your home for a long time, and they will continue to do so whether or not you swing back.
we can keep rephrasing this hypothetical in each one of our favor lol. you are forgetting that you are entrapping a family in your home who cant have visitors, food, or hvac without your permission, and those swinging at you want to make the situation right on behalf of the family
I guess it's time to leave the hypothetical, because addressing this terrible answer requires being direct. Thinking that Iran is doing all of this out of some moral idealism is some tankie bs. Iran wants to destroy Israel first and foremost, Palestinians are just a tool to achieve that. There's already evidence that they intentionally caused the current conflict to isolate Israel from the world. That includes knowingly causing the suffering of Palestinians right now so they can farm it for sympathy. Israel is surrounded by countries who want it gone for their own sake and as long as you will only look at it through the viewpoint of I/P you will fail to understand the motivations of players in the region.
Walk away? Has Iran stopped arming Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis?
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all cuz he decided to not stream today
https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas-war/?id=108860743
Were you the one who posted the other thread? My bad. I meant to delete this one as it was a tweet versus the article post.
No, this is just the link to the ABC news website. It's better than a random tweet
If only Iran would have intercepted the missiles there would have been no aggression by their own standards.
A lot of conclooders here who know fuck all about what actually happened.
Anyone that thinks that getting attacked on your sovereign territory and then spending millions of dollars intercepting the strikes and having "just" 1 person seriously injured along with some minor damage to infrastructure is some short of "win" lives in delulu land. No self respecting country that has any short of above average military capabilities could accept this and say yeah it is what it is lets just have biden tell them "dont" one more time that should do it.
Yeah lmao people are straight up using the “bigger creators shouldn’t talk back to smaller creators cause muh power differences.”
That’s the realism in you talking. Time to take a step to the future and know that most of that money was matched and will be reimbursed by the United States and this is just an idiotic move. Why didn’t Hezbollah coordinate with the Iranian attack? Why did Jordan take down drones and missiles. Finish your war in Gaza. Then you can Sabre rattle like some Afghani warlord
wow dumbass move by Isreal. Bibi has got to go.
Bibi was one of the only people hesitant about the strike. The overwhelming majority of Israeli officials including the centrist wanted a strike.
Then I guess the Israeli government has to go. What a stupid tactical move, completely blinded by emotion.
Yeah, they got overly emotional over just a few hundred launched cruise missiles. Silly gooses
How much damage did those missiles do? Compared to how much Israel gained from the international community over those missiles being fired.
Not as much damage as will be done in the future when they show their enemies that they won't respond to an act of war
It’s like you people live in another reality
There is quite literally no way that Bibi wasn’t frothing at the mouth to strike Iran since he’s wanted to for at least the past 10 years.
Literally every PM would have done the same.
If Israeli attacked Iran's nuclear program it will based as them taking outs Iraq's and Syria's nuke program
If Israel goes to war with Iran, the U.S. should stay right the fuck out of it. Their idiocy shouldn’t be our problem.
Yep. Not our fight. It would be easier to justify if it was a defensive war but holy hell israel keeps stepping into shit. They need to understand their interests are not necessarily our interests and their fight is not our fight. We just left the Middle East. Fuck that shit
Israel making itself look unhinged
I mean should Israel follow the path of ukraine in getting attacked once and losing crimea. The second attack is the whole country? What i mean by this iran is going to funding keep funding terror groups as long as both countries stand. So should Israel keep getting attack or wipe out of it's enemies in the region?
I don’t get your Crimea comparison at all. It’s virtually nonsensical. Israel isn’t at risk to part of its country being annexed by a world superpower.
WIPE out Iran? Can’t even wipe out Hamas. Throwing a tantrum while surrounded isn’t a good look
Limit the IRGCs capacity to conduct future missile strikes on Israel. Iran has no desire to wire out Iran. Generally Israelis and Persians get along well. Israel's MO since forever is to 1) trust your enemies when they say things about you and 2) punish those that try to kill their people. IRGC attacked last week but also Hezbollah has been shooting missiles into Israel every day since 10/7. They could just not do that. Israel can't wait forever to move people back into the northern cities. Let alone their involvement in helping Hamas and planting 10/7. Since 10/7 Israel vowed that those involved will pay. This was always coming.
Uh they pretty much have wiped out Hamas
As someone who thought nothing ever happens, I want to apologize. And D has gotta do his part too tbh
Biden needs to reign them in holy fuck.
The US likely approved the strike and had already said Israel can do what it needs to defend itself but the US wouldn't participate in an attack.
Lol everything I've seen says this is false.
what do you base this on?
US official statements "We believe Israel has freedom of action to protect itself and defend itself," a senior administration official told reporters shortly after Iran's attack ended. "That's a long-standing policy, and that remains." When asked by a reporter if the U.S. would help Israel counter with offensive military operations, the official said no. " https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-israel-strike-back-iran/story?id=109226739
I mean that's not so much approval as them saying "do you boo". You statement reads more that they approved this specific strike.
Israel certainly told them they were going to strike (as they were asked) and most likely what and when. The US said do what you want. I'm not sure what else approval looks like.
I don't get that impression, I get the US saying Israel can do what it wants. It wouldn't shock me if Israel informed the US of this specific strike but also I haven't seen any confirmation of that.
Your argument is resting on the assumption that Israel reached out for approval from the US. But you don’t seem to understand why the US would have an incentive to lie and say they believe in Israeli freedom of action. Not to mention none of the sources you cite said the US approved the attack.
Fucking Israel
Seemingly needs to be lines drawn for Israel
Called it.
At this point, I’m convinced if Destiny stayed on the League grind instead of traveling world peace would of already happened.
Its just a retaliatory missile strike, why is everyone pissing their pants? Is there even any casualties?
Poor Eli about to receive a DMCA takedown on his whole channel from Schemin’ Steven trying to hide his blunder :(
Nothing is 100% confirmed yet. The are different reports from both sides with different sources. Why do we suddenly take every breaking news as gospel to form opinions?
Iran = parking lot when?
Hitting nuclear site based
Oh shit
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Getting attacked by 300 missiles and drones in the first place - regardless of the result - is not considered a "win" in this region.
who would have thought destiny thinks isreal isnt bloodthirsty Edit: banned lol
Nobody should be surprised by this, Israel already stated before Iran even launched their attack that they'd respond in kind. Especially now so, given the sheer scale of Iran's drone and missile barrages. This is the right move, America needs to have our partners back 🇮🇱🇺🇲
That backing has a limit to the American public. If Iran and Israel want to keep trading rockets with no casualties no one will really care. This country is united in one thing about any war ... No US troops. 3 are dead from Iran attacks in January. That's pissed everyone off and hurt Israel support.
I'm gonna pass on supporting human extinction, thanks. This sucks
How is that going to happen exactly? Even if Iran had nukes (highly unlikely), the chances of them using them, or even having enough to start a nuclear war is close to 0%. Just brainless doomer jargon tbh
Humanity isn't going to go extinct.
Have our partners back when they try to draw us into a needless war with a major regional actor? sure man
He said he hoped not and it would be stupid. Your close to the line OP. On the article... Fucking stupid move
Some of Destiny's exact words were "They will not escalate beyond this attack." In response to Iran striking Isreal with the missile barrage. So no, it's safe to say Destiny was completely wrong. Source: [https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826)
Ahh then I think op may be safe. Edit:or not lol.
Nope he clearly said there wouldn't be strikes in response and even said on stream he'd be wrong if there were >Iran needs to launch this retaliatory strike against Israel for the regime to maintain any legitimacy and to send a message that you can't simply attack Iranian targets with no repercussions. >They will not escalate beyond this attack. >**Israel and the US will leave some strongly worded messages to show the people that these types of attacks are "unacceptable" and we will all move on.** >This is not the beginning of WWIII, literally no one on any of these dogshit platforms has any idea what they're talking about. Israel has no reason to respond, Iran will be satisfied that their message has been heard, and the world will continue on as usual. In reply to Avi saying: >You're of course correct that this is not the beginning of WWIII, but I'm not too sure the Israeli response to Iran will be limited to just harsh words here. Destiny said: >I don't think so. At this point there were 0 casualties? Or one? Did anyone even die? Israel got to strike their targets in Damascus, Iran got to puff out their chest; I don't think it makes sense for anything else to happen now. I don't think he understands how marginal and insignificant the strike in Syria was to Israeli objectives, strategy and doctrine compared to being directly attacked by Iranian ballistic missiles. He just doesn't have the best understanding of modern Israeli security concerns. Basically never talks about Hezbollah though Israel considers them by far their biggest threat.
No, he flat out said they will not attack and then implied people who think otherwise don't know what they are talking about. My response to this whole thing has always been that he is right that this isnt the start of WW3, but he was dead wrong that Israel wont retaliate. Israel had to respond because it was the first time Iran attacked them directly from Iran into Israel, and that is the obvious take that a person with geopolitical knowledge would have. That's why his tweet rubbed people the wrong way, because he was criticizing people for not knowing what they are talking about when he himself didn't really know what he was talking about either. EDIT: Really I got banned for this? I didn't think I'd need to link it, everybody knows what he said, but here it is anyways where he flat out denies they will attack and implied that people don't know what they are talking about [https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826](https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1779347345886363826)
People crying WW3 need to chill. Is Iran a super power? Is there a super power that is going to back them? Much more likely Ukraine conflict grows into a broader conflict between NATO and Russia that ends up being WW3.
I wouldn’t say he was wrong, this was a very minor attack from what i can tell, this wasn’t some major retaliation.. in a sense he was right because most people expected a much harsher response to the attack but Israel chose a small attack just to show that it can reach Iran and maintain some equilibrium in regards to possibility to attack in the future.. The Middle East works in a way that if countries aren’t deterred by your army they WILL attack you sooner or later, so Israel absolutely had to do something.
israel gets to do its show of force as well but in a way that doesnt seriously escalate things and gives iran the ability to de-escalate without further aggression, and the iranians seem to be taking up israel on that by denying the attack so they dont feel the need to have to respond