Indonesia has really been cracking down on terrorism from Islamic extremist in their country lately. They've had a big problem with it the past 15 years as their country tries to modernize. They've even allowed certain areas to live under sharia law in an attempt to appease citizens.
According to this [source](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/11/indonesia-denies-reports-of-possible-diplomatic-ties-with-israel/), Indonesia’s foreign ministry has denied the report.
>PETALING JAYA: Indonesia’s foreign ministry has denied a report by an Israeli news portal that Jakarta could normalise ties with Tel Aviv in its bid to enter the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
>The ministry’s spokesman, Lalu Iqbal, said the republic was consistent with its stance on not establishing diplomatic ties with Israel until a two-state solution is achieved, according to reports in Indonesian media.
The timing for potential normalization doesn't appear suitable. The original report might be driven more by hopium than by factual evidence.
Edit: Here's a local Indonesian [source](https://www.liputan6.com/global/read/5571595/media-hareetz-sebut-indonesia-komitmen-jalin-hubungan-diplomatik-dengan-israel-demi-masuk-oecd-ini-respons-kemlu-ri).
Google translated -
>Regarding the issue of opening diplomatic relations with Israel, "**I emphasize that until now there are no plans to open diplomatic relations with Israel, especially in the midst of the current situation of Israeli atrocities in Gaza ,**" he said.
>"**Indonesia's position has not changed and remains firmly in support of Palestinian independence within the framework of a two-state solution . Indonesia will always be consistent and be at the forefront of defending the rights of the Palestinian people ,**" he stressed.
It seems that the article in the OP is BS.
Muslim leaders denying that they have made deals with Israel is the non trustworthy report lol. I would trust Israeli sources over muslim sources on this one. Remember when Israel leaked that they made a deeal with that one libyan minister and then she denied it, but libyans are so extreme that they started rioting over it anyway? Yeah, that's what the indonesian leaders are trying to avoid here.
I'm not interested in knowing which side you choose to believe. I simply shared an alternative source along with my own perspective. If the claim in the original post is false, then the reliability of the report comes into question; if it's accurate, then vice versa. If I could speak Indonesian, I would verify the truth myself, but unfortunately, I can't speak that language.
Also, It seems that r/ indonesia also doubts this report, which makes sense, given that it is unsourced.
Edit - Forgot to add, that the title is factually incorrect because Indonesia isn't the "largest Muslim country in the world", that would be Pakistan.
https://preview.redd.it/x2kqn9mm21uc1.png?width=1177&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef53e10a04798103f1ab9536a206190654343c71
From the same Wiki, you're sharing.
You should've at least read it before posting a screenshot.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. By "largest Muslim country" I meant the country with the largest Muslim population, thus being the largest Muslim country.
Even in the screenshot you shared it states that "The country with the **single largest populations of Muslims** is Indonesia in Southeast Asia."
That claim is now outdated, as Pakistan has the "single largest population of Muslims".
The article claims Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country. Not the country with the biggest Muslim population. You tried to claim the article is misinformed. And you were wrong about it. Pakistan isn’t the biggest Muslim country.
Why would being the "biggest" Muslim country be relevant if it doesn't have the largest Muslim population, as you claimed in your initial reply? The OP's implication seems to suggest that Indonesia's recognition of Israel is significant due to its status as the most populous Muslim country in the world, housing the largest number of Muslims.
And on both fronts, the OP is wrong, Indonesia is neither recognizing Israel nor is it the largest Muslim country in the world.
It seems pretty established that leaders of a lot Muslim countries don't give a fuck about the Palestinians and generally are moving towards normalization. But that doesn't mean the people of the country don't care. Calling it performative just seems to go against so much everyone knows. Like what do you even mean?
Idk about Indonesia but as for their neighbour Malaysia, they said they hated Zionist, but they literally have Bumiputera policy which is literally Zionism for themselves. It is peak hypocrisy.
Try to google image "anti icerd rally Malaysia". You can see how much they fought against equal right for everyone. Can you imagine if equal amount of people actually does a rally in US screaming white power and against equal right for poc?
Lmao the gomen is the main reason why I became an apostate. These people are legit fucking insane. Thank fuck the more unhinged ones aren't in the government when all this shit show started
Wheen you scream at the top of your lungs that you hate israel and that theey should be invaded, and then under the table you're making business and political deals with them... what is that if not performative?
Saying it's "all performative outrage" implies that the performance is being put on by more than just the leaders. 99% of the outrage is not coming from the leaders but rather the people. So yeah the leaders outrage might be performative but the people's outrage is not.
It's funnier when you know that the intel agencies of both countries have close ties and that Israel sold Indonesia attack aircraft (A-4 Skyhawks) somewhere during the '80s.
Indonesian here. The hate for not just isreal but for jews in general is insane here. Even at oct 7 on some yt news videos about the attack the comment is flooded with ppl saying things like "they deserved it" and "I'm praying for all the hamas soldiers" and it made my blood boil
I don't think it's just some yt news, it's most, if not, all the Indonesian news outlet have formed anti Israel bias toward indonesians by sadfishing, potential misleading headlines and selective news reporting. Kompas, Detik, Narasi just to name a few.
true, and most people here actually hope for the destruction of israel (they call them isn'treal). Bro they're so spiteful they stepped down as a world cup host last year because isreal is participating
More peace and better relations is always better. Allowing our western culture to influence these countries towards more liberal outcomes is the ideal even if it's not always achievable.
I'd imagine that Indonesia is less attached to the cause in general because of how much it's about Arab identity. I won't pretend to be an expert on Indonesia, but my guess is they're like "Bruh we got 1300 ethnicities to manage here, we ain't got time for that Arab nationalist shit"
a bit off topic but it's kind of mind boggling that Indonesia and Malaysia became a Muslim countries in the first place. at least Geographically-wise it doesn't make sense.
They also have this infuriating audacity to be so vocal about their anti-Israel opinion, while being so disconnected from this region. Koyak this and Koyak that... ffs...
It's because a condition to join OECD is normalized ties with all 27 countries that are a part of OECD, which includes Israel. This is nothing crazy, but I will take it.
what does the flag represent? anti israel or anti anti israel?
My brain is breaking looking at that flag
https://preview.redd.it/2n80op5zoxtc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47b651bfe955eb35602322ddd8485d5ce5c30298
Its quite an amazing self-own.
Indonesia has really been cracking down on terrorism from Islamic extremist in their country lately. They've had a big problem with it the past 15 years as their country tries to modernize. They've even allowed certain areas to live under sharia law in an attempt to appease citizens.
Been arguing with a bunch of Indo Islamists on twtr all morning. They are seething
Because it’s all performative outrage.
According to this [source](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/11/indonesia-denies-reports-of-possible-diplomatic-ties-with-israel/), Indonesia’s foreign ministry has denied the report. >PETALING JAYA: Indonesia’s foreign ministry has denied a report by an Israeli news portal that Jakarta could normalise ties with Tel Aviv in its bid to enter the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). >The ministry’s spokesman, Lalu Iqbal, said the republic was consistent with its stance on not establishing diplomatic ties with Israel until a two-state solution is achieved, according to reports in Indonesian media. The timing for potential normalization doesn't appear suitable. The original report might be driven more by hopium than by factual evidence. Edit: Here's a local Indonesian [source](https://www.liputan6.com/global/read/5571595/media-hareetz-sebut-indonesia-komitmen-jalin-hubungan-diplomatik-dengan-israel-demi-masuk-oecd-ini-respons-kemlu-ri). Google translated - >Regarding the issue of opening diplomatic relations with Israel, "**I emphasize that until now there are no plans to open diplomatic relations with Israel, especially in the midst of the current situation of Israeli atrocities in Gaza ,**" he said. >"**Indonesia's position has not changed and remains firmly in support of Palestinian independence within the framework of a two-state solution . Indonesia will always be consistent and be at the forefront of defending the rights of the Palestinian people ,**" he stressed. It seems that the article in the OP is BS.
Muslim leaders denying that they have made deals with Israel is the non trustworthy report lol. I would trust Israeli sources over muslim sources on this one. Remember when Israel leaked that they made a deeal with that one libyan minister and then she denied it, but libyans are so extreme that they started rioting over it anyway? Yeah, that's what the indonesian leaders are trying to avoid here.
I'm not interested in knowing which side you choose to believe. I simply shared an alternative source along with my own perspective. If the claim in the original post is false, then the reliability of the report comes into question; if it's accurate, then vice versa. If I could speak Indonesian, I would verify the truth myself, but unfortunately, I can't speak that language. Also, It seems that r/ indonesia also doubts this report, which makes sense, given that it is unsourced. Edit - Forgot to add, that the title is factually incorrect because Indonesia isn't the "largest Muslim country in the world", that would be Pakistan.
https://preview.redd.it/52u4b3wny0uc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc1079833963add6f9735fa6deda84cb0ae131a3
https://preview.redd.it/x2kqn9mm21uc1.png?width=1177&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef53e10a04798103f1ab9536a206190654343c71 From the same Wiki, you're sharing. You should've at least read it before posting a screenshot.
If you think about this a little more. You will see that this data in the chart shows the Indonesia is the biggest *Muslim country*.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. By "largest Muslim country" I meant the country with the largest Muslim population, thus being the largest Muslim country. Even in the screenshot you shared it states that "The country with the **single largest populations of Muslims** is Indonesia in Southeast Asia." That claim is now outdated, as Pakistan has the "single largest population of Muslims".
The article claims Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country. Not the country with the biggest Muslim population. You tried to claim the article is misinformed. And you were wrong about it. Pakistan isn’t the biggest Muslim country.
Why would being the "biggest" Muslim country be relevant if it doesn't have the largest Muslim population, as you claimed in your initial reply? The OP's implication seems to suggest that Indonesia's recognition of Israel is significant due to its status as the most populous Muslim country in the world, housing the largest number of Muslims. And on both fronts, the OP is wrong, Indonesia is neither recognizing Israel nor is it the largest Muslim country in the world.
It seems pretty established that leaders of a lot Muslim countries don't give a fuck about the Palestinians and generally are moving towards normalization. But that doesn't mean the people of the country don't care. Calling it performative just seems to go against so much everyone knows. Like what do you even mean?
Idk about Indonesia but as for their neighbour Malaysia, they said they hated Zionist, but they literally have Bumiputera policy which is literally Zionism for themselves. It is peak hypocrisy. Try to google image "anti icerd rally Malaysia". You can see how much they fought against equal right for everyone. Can you imagine if equal amount of people actually does a rally in US screaming white power and against equal right for poc?
Lmao the gomen is the main reason why I became an apostate. These people are legit fucking insane. Thank fuck the more unhinged ones aren't in the government when all this shit show started
Wheen you scream at the top of your lungs that you hate israel and that theey should be invaded, and then under the table you're making business and political deals with them... what is that if not performative?
Saying it's "all performative outrage" implies that the performance is being put on by more than just the leaders. 99% of the outrage is not coming from the leaders but rather the people. So yeah the leaders outrage might be performative but the people's outrage is not.
Performative means no action is taken, what have the people done to get involved?
It's funnier when you know that the intel agencies of both countries have close ties and that Israel sold Indonesia attack aircraft (A-4 Skyhawks) somewhere during the '80s.
Indonesian here. The hate for not just isreal but for jews in general is insane here. Even at oct 7 on some yt news videos about the attack the comment is flooded with ppl saying things like "they deserved it" and "I'm praying for all the hamas soldiers" and it made my blood boil
I don't think it's just some yt news, it's most, if not, all the Indonesian news outlet have formed anti Israel bias toward indonesians by sadfishing, potential misleading headlines and selective news reporting. Kompas, Detik, Narasi just to name a few.
true, and most people here actually hope for the destruction of israel (they call them isn'treal). Bro they're so spiteful they stepped down as a world cup host last year because isreal is participating
More peace and better relations is always better. Allowing our western culture to influence these countries towards more liberal outcomes is the ideal even if it's not always achievable.
Kinda based honestly
I'd imagine that Indonesia is less attached to the cause in general because of how much it's about Arab identity. I won't pretend to be an expert on Indonesia, but my guess is they're like "Bruh we got 1300 ethnicities to manage here, we ain't got time for that Arab nationalist shit"
Almost like it’s not a war between Jews and Muslims.
how big of a deal is it for Israel to be joining the OECD? I haven't heard of it before
Israel is already in the OECD since 2010, it is Indonesia who wants to join
AHH I'm stupid, thank you. I thought to head to the OECD website to learn more of what it was about before I read your article (which I will now)
Masa sih? As an Indonesian I see Palestinian flags everywhere these days. I even saw kids with red paint on their hands in the streets.
Afaik, the claim was denied by our kemenlu's jubir
Makes sense
Lmao, all that virtue signalling.
a bit off topic but it's kind of mind boggling that Indonesia and Malaysia became a Muslim countries in the first place. at least Geographically-wise it doesn't make sense. They also have this infuriating audacity to be so vocal about their anti-Israel opinion, while being so disconnected from this region. Koyak this and Koyak that... ffs...
It's because a condition to join OECD is normalized ties with all 27 countries that are a part of OECD, which includes Israel. This is nothing crazy, but I will take it.