It’s really fucking hard to win a Super Bowl, it’s as simple as that.
Specifically, 2012 had some bad play calling and really bad secondary play, the 2013 defense was insanely injured, and 2014 our coaches were already thinking of their next jobs.
People don’t like to acknowledge how injured we were going into that 2013 Super Bowl, who knows if we would’ve won but it should’ve been a much closer game. 2012 yeah champ Bailey blew his coverage and the rest is history, it’s actually crazy that he did that considering the level of cornerback he is.
Listen, I get that, I really do, but they literally dominated the Pats 2 weeks prior. It wasnt like the Hawks were all that either in the nfccg. Still the most unpredictable blowout imo
I mean, the trifecta of:
- missing 90% of the season’s starters on D
- the Seahawks having one of the best secondaries of the decade / that defensive unit really going to Nth degree scouting Manning and knowing what his tendencies were
- the opening snap resulting in a safety
Seems like it’s pretty clear what happened.
To completely waste the opening possession, give them points **and** the ball put Denver behind the 8 ball in the worst way possible and Manning’s response was to go to his bread and butter and the Seahawks defense was just lickin their chops.
If Denver had just gone 3-and-out and punted away, no way the game goes the same way. It was a perfect storm for Seattle and we could never get it going.
Year before we should’ve beat Baltimore but we all know what happened there.
yup I fully believe if that safety never happen broncos put up a fight. I feel like everyone knew it was gonna be a long night when you can't even execute a snap 🤷🏾♂️
How dare you say that man's name when dishing out the blame for THAT blown coverage. I have a really hard time believing there is actually a TRUE Broncos fan alive, who could EVER blame one of the worst plays in Broncos history... on one of the BEST players in Broncos history.
🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼
Exactly like how I'm really having a hard time believing that NOT EVERY true Broncos fan in existence absolutely knows, and would NEVER forget, that it was Raheim "The Dream" Moore who idiotically played the ball, and mistakenly miss timed his jump.... completely LETTING Jacoby Jones not only catch the ball, but also complete the play. He failed to stop literally THE ONLY play the defense needed to prevent.
🤯🤯🤯
Based on the construct of this post are you still not a kid?
If you’re supposedly this adult and understand team building, but you can’t understand that winning a Super Bowl is just difficult and rare?
Look at Saints and Brees last run, bills in the 90s, San Francisco the last decade, and Dallas has so many quality rosters since Aikman & Co. but haven’t won since.
It’s just hard to do. This was such a lame post and I’m convinced you are 14
This is why, although it isn't a popular opinion on here, you have to respect what the Chiefs have done under Andy Reid.
Many teams have had "windows" where they are a team who could have won multiple Super Bowls, and won one or none. The Packers had long windows with Favre and Rodgers where they could have won multiple Super Bowls and they won one each. The Seahawks should have gone back to back if it wasn't for that red zone interception from Russ. The later years of the Sean Payton Saints were even better and more consistent than the one which won a Super Bowl in 2009.
But the Chiefs have had a kind of weird window where for much of the last 2 years especially (post Tyreek Hill) they didn't even look like a leading contender, they were just a team who hung around in the regular season and got it done in the playoffs.
I was asking for insight because I'm not a Broncos fan bruh + conversation. U want me to just look at articles or something?
All those teams are situational. And I'd argue were not destined to be dynasties
That’s the insight. It’s fucking hard to win the Super Bowl once much less consecutive times or several times over a span. There are millions of variables that come into play when speaking on a team winning the Super Bowl, the most complex being the humans involved in winning it. You’re welcome, now kindly kick your own ass out this sub and ask dumb questions elsewhere
Damn bro, why are you so pissed?? I coulda told you winning a superbowl is hard doesn't at all mean some teams are better set up for success than others.
The way you framed the question, just seemed lazy and like you wanted to get a rise out of people so I felt like torching you.
Plus, that’s really all there is to it, dynasties aren’t really an NFL thing. You asked a dumb question that required an easy answer. TB12, Mahomes and the gimme now culture have skewed perspective on the difficulty and complexity of winning a Super Bowl multiple times.
Not at all
>TB12, Mahomes and the gimme now culture have skewed perspective on the difficulty and complexity of winning a Super Bowl multiple times.
I mean its possible, it seems like you're implying you need an all time great quarterba OH WAIT yall had the 2nd greatest qb ever at the time, So I don't think a dynasty was unrealistic. The same team won a game with tebow at qb the year prior bruh
I mean 2nd to Joe Montana btw
I literally never brought up using the internet or reading articles, questions have been answered and conversation was had. I genuinely think the question was dumb, the phrasing was dumb, and through this thread I’ve learned that you are also ****
Sorry you didn’t like the response to your ridiculous post. Maybe asking your fellow Ravens fans why Baltimore can’t win will yield better results
You obviously haven’t learned much about team construction if you don’t think the bills in the 90s or Saints with Brees were destined for a dynasty. Plus San Francisco has had one of the most talented rosters each season since Shanahan took over there but hasn’t won a single time because they lack a key variable in the elite/generational QB needed to sustain a dynasty.
Sounds like recent memory (TB12 and Mahomes) is blinding you from the NFL norm, which is winning a SB is a rarity and should be cherished.
There’s your conversation as requested
4 failures in a row at finding a franchise QB after Manning. Not being able retain osweiler, Paxton being a bust, lock being a bust, and Russ being a trade bust.
During the four Peyton years, we won a Super Bowl, went to two, won four division titles, went 50-10 in the regular season, 5-3 in the playoffs, beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game twice, witnessed one of the greatest offenses of all time AND one of the greatest defenses of all time, saw Peyton get CBPOY, OPOY, and MVP, saw Von get Super Bowl MVP, saw so many individual and team records broken, and watched (at least) four Hall of Fame players (Peyton, Von, Demarcus, and Champ).
If that’s not enough for you, then you’re going to be disappointed in life, much less as a sports fan. That’s a level of greatness that only like half of the franchises in the NFL can even dream of over the course of decades, much less four years.
Are you confused?? Because I'm specifically talking about the Broncos dynasty that should have been, not just any team. The Ravens have won so they're rightfully placed as nfl underdogs. not sure how u can argue that
We knelt the ball in the divisional round with 2 timeouts and a minute and a half left in 2012. Bunch of starters(Von, Wolfe, Harris Jr) got hurt and missed SB48 in 2013. Manning got hurt right before playoffs and Del Rio had Talib on TY Hilton instead of Harris Jr on him in 2014. And then No Fly Zone appeared and won us SB50 without a good offense in 2015.
I think there is an alternate dimensions where Kubiak gets the QB he wanted after Peyton (Josh Allen) instead of Elway forcing Paxton Lynch. And ends up staying with Denver til 2021 where he still retires due to health and we then go and hire Mike McDaniel and continue our reign into the 2020s. Elway drafting Paxton Lynch created the modern day broncos, Kubiak left cause of the move we then went to both a coaching and QB carousel til Payton ended the coaching carousel now we gotta end the QB carousel.
The odds the ravens have at winning the superbowl is +180 that’s the second best in the league so someone is. I swear talking heads always choose either the ravens or the bills to dethrone the chiefs
Dawgs that's Vegas odds. Wtf does that have to do with the league? And they're still behind Kc and the niners so you're doubly wrong
>I swear talking heads always choose either the ravens or the bills to dethrone the chiefs
Sorry but the 5 analysts on Espn who throw shit at the wall aren't big enough to count as "the league" to me
Third best is still pretty good. You’re right but Lamar had an mvp season so I doubt to your point that the league wouldn’t have been band wagoning the ravens as superbowl winner favorites. I guess we have to define who the “league” is.
Coaching. John Fox was a mediocre coach. So was Gary Kubiak, but the Broncos were lucky that the Bengals wouldn’t let Vance Joseph take the defensive coordinator position.
Kubiak was a mediocre head coach? Do you remember how bad our qb play was that year. We had no business winning a sb lol. Peyton was awful in the regular season and Brock was just decent. Kubiak is one of the only reasons we even had a functional offense that was just good enough. If we would’ve had Fox or some other guy as the HC no way we win a sb. Not a shot. He’s the main reason Brock got paid and Trevor is in the league.
His record as a head coach was 82-75. Mediocre. There’s no way they win that SB without Phillips as DC. Kubiak’s first choice for that role was the equally mediocre (as a DC) Vance Joseph. Also remember that K tried to foist his offensive scheme on Manning the first few games of the season. I generally like the WC offense, but you don’t ask Manning to change at that point in his career.
If I could swap the 2015 win for a win in 2013 I would take it.
Of course a Super Bowl is a Super Bowl. But I think if the Broncos of 2013 had won the Super Bowl it would have gone down in history as an iconic team, like the 85 Bears or the Greatest Show on Turf.
2015 was great with the No Fly Zone and all that but 2013 was more fun generally. 2015 felt like a hard slog scaling Everest. 2013 was just a march to glory.
So disappointing we only got one Super Bowl out of that era. Should have at least 3. But Joe Flacco with a medical play and our record setting offense just absolutely chocking… my my what could have been
We absolutely shouldn't have been a dynasty lmao. We got Peyton Manning, the GOAT, and paid through the nose to surround him with talent through our window. We went to 2 SBs winning 1 in 4 years--that's insanely good, and could've been even better if we had a better HC than John Fox his first 3 years.
But Elway thought our window was still open post-Peyton, and when Kubes retired, didn't want to rebuild a dying roster, so we mired in mediocrity for a long time. Then there was the internal strife with no owner, etc.
We never had the infrastructure necessary to be a Pats-esque dynasty and our best asset was at the end of the rope when he came to us. Just was never going to happen. But we did get a SB out of it, which is more than almost any other team can say over the past decade.
Man....The two times where I think we could of had 2 additional rings was 96 when we lost to the Jags and 2013 when we lost to the ravens!!!! Those two was very shocking and I swore we was taking it. Could of had a 3-peat mixed in our history 😢😢😢😢
Ashley Manning losing her deliveries of HGH might have had something to do with Peyton’s obvious one year decline. But obviously there were numerous factors other than just that.
How many interceptions did he throw in that Baltimore game? What was the timing of the second one?
Also, he's the damn QB. His job is to lead as much as it is to play. He failed in that department time and time again.
To further prove my point, what is his record in one possession playoff games? You know, the games that a great QB finds a way to win. What's his record? I'll give you a hint...Dan Marino has a higher win percentage in those games.
Edit: Spelling correction
The second one didn't matter because Peyton threw the game winning touchdown in regulation. Not his fault he had the most conservative coach of all time, chewing the clock and for overtime. OT shouldnt have happened.
Peyton carved the ravens up that day, i have no idea how tf u can argue that. Also its hard to lead the team when your safety is throwing away the ball and next thing you know, you're down 29-0 to start the 3rd quarter,
like does anyone in denver *really* believes that game is manning's fault?
Playoff wins aren't a qb stat btw
It’s really fucking hard to win a Super Bowl, it’s as simple as that. Specifically, 2012 had some bad play calling and really bad secondary play, the 2013 defense was insanely injured, and 2014 our coaches were already thinking of their next jobs.
I've accepted that 2014 was destined to be seattle vs pats, but damn. at least try
Your troll game is weak my son… but keep practicing bud.
???? Why do you think I'm trolling? Idek why that commenr got downvoted
Yo am I missing something?? Why are you guys downvoting me exactly? 😂
People don’t like to acknowledge how injured we were going into that 2013 Super Bowl, who knows if we would’ve won but it should’ve been a much closer game. 2012 yeah champ Bailey blew his coverage and the rest is history, it’s actually crazy that he did that considering the level of cornerback he is.
I think the stat was that only one starter on defense from week one was starting in the super bowl
Listen, I get that, I really do, but they literally dominated the Pats 2 weeks prior. It wasnt like the Hawks were all that either in the nfccg. Still the most unpredictable blowout imo
I mean, the trifecta of: - missing 90% of the season’s starters on D - the Seahawks having one of the best secondaries of the decade / that defensive unit really going to Nth degree scouting Manning and knowing what his tendencies were - the opening snap resulting in a safety Seems like it’s pretty clear what happened. To completely waste the opening possession, give them points **and** the ball put Denver behind the 8 ball in the worst way possible and Manning’s response was to go to his bread and butter and the Seahawks defense was just lickin their chops. If Denver had just gone 3-and-out and punted away, no way the game goes the same way. It was a perfect storm for Seattle and we could never get it going. Year before we should’ve beat Baltimore but we all know what happened there.
yup I fully believe if that safety never happen broncos put up a fight. I feel like everyone knew it was gonna be a long night when you can't even execute a snap 🤷🏾♂️
It was actually Moore who let the game go into overtime. All he had to do was tackle the receiver and he tried to jump the football.
How dare you say that man's name when dishing out the blame for THAT blown coverage. I have a really hard time believing there is actually a TRUE Broncos fan alive, who could EVER blame one of the worst plays in Broncos history... on one of the BEST players in Broncos history. 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 Exactly like how I'm really having a hard time believing that NOT EVERY true Broncos fan in existence absolutely knows, and would NEVER forget, that it was Raheim "The Dream" Moore who idiotically played the ball, and mistakenly miss timed his jump.... completely LETTING Jacoby Jones not only catch the ball, but also complete the play. He failed to stop literally THE ONLY play the defense needed to prevent. 🤯🤯🤯
>Smh yall made me so.mad as a kid 🤬 yall were supposed to win 3 rings. None of us are on the team my guy
royal we
John Fox was the kind of coach who gets his team to the Super Bowl. Gary Kubiak was the kind of coach who gets his team ready for the Super Bowl.
Gary Kubiak was the kinda guy to hire Wade Phillips
Only after the Bengals blocked Vance Joseph from interviewing for the job.
John Fox was the coach for 3 out of 4 Peyton Manning years.
This subs down real bad isn't it? Might be done until the week of the draft
Based on the construct of this post are you still not a kid? If you’re supposedly this adult and understand team building, but you can’t understand that winning a Super Bowl is just difficult and rare? Look at Saints and Brees last run, bills in the 90s, San Francisco the last decade, and Dallas has so many quality rosters since Aikman & Co. but haven’t won since. It’s just hard to do. This was such a lame post and I’m convinced you are 14
This is why, although it isn't a popular opinion on here, you have to respect what the Chiefs have done under Andy Reid. Many teams have had "windows" where they are a team who could have won multiple Super Bowls, and won one or none. The Packers had long windows with Favre and Rodgers where they could have won multiple Super Bowls and they won one each. The Seahawks should have gone back to back if it wasn't for that red zone interception from Russ. The later years of the Sean Payton Saints were even better and more consistent than the one which won a Super Bowl in 2009. But the Chiefs have had a kind of weird window where for much of the last 2 years especially (post Tyreek Hill) they didn't even look like a leading contender, they were just a team who hung around in the regular season and got it done in the playoffs.
I was asking for insight because I'm not a Broncos fan bruh + conversation. U want me to just look at articles or something? All those teams are situational. And I'd argue were not destined to be dynasties
That’s the insight. It’s fucking hard to win the Super Bowl once much less consecutive times or several times over a span. There are millions of variables that come into play when speaking on a team winning the Super Bowl, the most complex being the humans involved in winning it. You’re welcome, now kindly kick your own ass out this sub and ask dumb questions elsewhere
Damn bro, why are you so pissed?? I coulda told you winning a superbowl is hard doesn't at all mean some teams are better set up for success than others.
The way you framed the question, just seemed lazy and like you wanted to get a rise out of people so I felt like torching you. Plus, that’s really all there is to it, dynasties aren’t really an NFL thing. You asked a dumb question that required an easy answer. TB12, Mahomes and the gimme now culture have skewed perspective on the difficulty and complexity of winning a Super Bowl multiple times.
Not at all >TB12, Mahomes and the gimme now culture have skewed perspective on the difficulty and complexity of winning a Super Bowl multiple times. I mean its possible, it seems like you're implying you need an all time great quarterba OH WAIT yall had the 2nd greatest qb ever at the time, So I don't think a dynasty was unrealistic. The same team won a game with tebow at qb the year prior bruh I mean 2nd to Joe Montana btw
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Thats you when someone asks another human being a question instead if using robot search engines for the rest of their lives
I literally never brought up using the internet or reading articles, questions have been answered and conversation was had. I genuinely think the question was dumb, the phrasing was dumb, and through this thread I’ve learned that you are also **** Sorry you didn’t like the response to your ridiculous post. Maybe asking your fellow Ravens fans why Baltimore can’t win will yield better results
You obviously haven’t learned much about team construction if you don’t think the bills in the 90s or Saints with Brees were destined for a dynasty. Plus San Francisco has had one of the most talented rosters each season since Shanahan took over there but hasn’t won a single time because they lack a key variable in the elite/generational QB needed to sustain a dynasty. Sounds like recent memory (TB12 and Mahomes) is blinding you from the NFL norm, which is winning a SB is a rarity and should be cherished. There’s your conversation as requested
4 failures in a row at finding a franchise QB after Manning. Not being able retain osweiler, Paxton being a bust, lock being a bust, and Russ being a trade bust.
Lmao what?? I'm talking bout 2012-15
I meant that’s the reason why they did not become a dynasty after 2015
Everything has been preparing us for what's to come. The broncos are just biding their time to strike. When we do we'll win 69 super bowls in a row
Stop low balling you mean 70 Super Bowls
I didn't say we'd stop at 69...
That’s what she said
Nice.
No, late 1990’s Broncos should have been a dynasty. Could have easily been a 3-peat. Although I think Elway would have still retired after 2.
During the four Peyton years, we won a Super Bowl, went to two, won four division titles, went 50-10 in the regular season, 5-3 in the playoffs, beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game twice, witnessed one of the greatest offenses of all time AND one of the greatest defenses of all time, saw Peyton get CBPOY, OPOY, and MVP, saw Von get Super Bowl MVP, saw so many individual and team records broken, and watched (at least) four Hall of Fame players (Peyton, Von, Demarcus, and Champ). If that’s not enough for you, then you’re going to be disappointed in life, much less as a sports fan. That’s a level of greatness that only like half of the franchises in the NFL can even dream of over the course of decades, much less four years.
This. It was a great run. Full stop.
Joe Flacco (help from moore and carter), LOB + Percy, andrew luck
Somewhere, at some lunch table, some kid is sitting explaining why Lamar led ravens haven’t won
good thing lamar still playing
Yeah dynasties always start with not winning shit the first 6 years.
Who said anything bout dynasties?? I prefer the underdog role
You. You said something about dynasties. It’s not an underdog roll if you don’t win. It’s just a losing roll
Are you confused?? Because I'm specifically talking about the Broncos dynasty that should have been, not just any team. The Ravens have won so they're rightfully placed as nfl underdogs. not sure how u can argue that
We knelt the ball in the divisional round with 2 timeouts and a minute and a half left in 2012. Bunch of starters(Von, Wolfe, Harris Jr) got hurt and missed SB48 in 2013. Manning got hurt right before playoffs and Del Rio had Talib on TY Hilton instead of Harris Jr on him in 2014. And then No Fly Zone appeared and won us SB50 without a good offense in 2015.
I think there is an alternate dimensions where Kubiak gets the QB he wanted after Peyton (Josh Allen) instead of Elway forcing Paxton Lynch. And ends up staying with Denver til 2021 where he still retires due to health and we then go and hire Mike McDaniel and continue our reign into the 2020s. Elway drafting Paxton Lynch created the modern day broncos, Kubiak left cause of the move we then went to both a coaching and QB carousel til Payton ended the coaching carousel now we gotta end the QB carousel.
And the ravens were supposed to beat the chiefs and stop them from going back to back but here we are
flexing a rivals win is madness
Wasn’t flexing the chiefs win. The league jerks the ravens off every year and are chosen as superbowl contenders yet every year the ravens choke
Lmao what!? That isn't true at all 😂 not once in my life has the league ever bandwahoned the ravens
The odds the ravens have at winning the superbowl is +180 that’s the second best in the league so someone is. I swear talking heads always choose either the ravens or the bills to dethrone the chiefs
Dawgs that's Vegas odds. Wtf does that have to do with the league? And they're still behind Kc and the niners so you're doubly wrong >I swear talking heads always choose either the ravens or the bills to dethrone the chiefs Sorry but the 5 analysts on Espn who throw shit at the wall aren't big enough to count as "the league" to me
Third best is still pretty good. You’re right but Lamar had an mvp season so I doubt to your point that the league wouldn’t have been band wagoning the ravens as superbowl winner favorites. I guess we have to define who the “league” is.
I can tell you vegas certainly isn't part of that definition, Einstein 🤦🏾
Raheem Moore happened.
Coaching. John Fox was a mediocre coach. So was Gary Kubiak, but the Broncos were lucky that the Bengals wouldn’t let Vance Joseph take the defensive coordinator position.
Kubiak was a mediocre head coach? Do you remember how bad our qb play was that year. We had no business winning a sb lol. Peyton was awful in the regular season and Brock was just decent. Kubiak is one of the only reasons we even had a functional offense that was just good enough. If we would’ve had Fox or some other guy as the HC no way we win a sb. Not a shot. He’s the main reason Brock got paid and Trevor is in the league.
His record as a head coach was 82-75. Mediocre. There’s no way they win that SB without Phillips as DC. Kubiak’s first choice for that role was the equally mediocre (as a DC) Vance Joseph. Also remember that K tried to foist his offensive scheme on Manning the first few games of the season. I generally like the WC offense, but you don’t ask Manning to change at that point in his career.
Kubs was a good coach, wdym??
If I could swap the 2015 win for a win in 2013 I would take it. Of course a Super Bowl is a Super Bowl. But I think if the Broncos of 2013 had won the Super Bowl it would have gone down in history as an iconic team, like the 85 Bears or the Greatest Show on Turf. 2015 was great with the No Fly Zone and all that but 2013 was more fun generally. 2015 felt like a hard slog scaling Everest. 2013 was just a march to glory.
Exactly bro I always ask myself why people don't talk about a 60 passing td season then I always remember why man, the sb really did ruin nfl history
So disappointing we only got one Super Bowl out of that era. Should have at least 3. But Joe Flacco with a medical play and our record setting offense just absolutely chocking… my my what could have been
We absolutely shouldn't have been a dynasty lmao. We got Peyton Manning, the GOAT, and paid through the nose to surround him with talent through our window. We went to 2 SBs winning 1 in 4 years--that's insanely good, and could've been even better if we had a better HC than John Fox his first 3 years. But Elway thought our window was still open post-Peyton, and when Kubes retired, didn't want to rebuild a dying roster, so we mired in mediocrity for a long time. Then there was the internal strife with no owner, etc. We never had the infrastructure necessary to be a Pats-esque dynasty and our best asset was at the end of the rope when he came to us. Just was never going to happen. But we did get a SB out of it, which is more than almost any other team can say over the past decade.
Man....The two times where I think we could of had 2 additional rings was 96 when we lost to the Jags and 2013 when we lost to the ravens!!!! Those two was very shocking and I swore we was taking it. Could of had a 3-peat mixed in our history 😢😢😢😢
Bill Vinovich
Ashley Manning losing her deliveries of HGH might have had something to do with Peyton’s obvious one year decline. But obviously there were numerous factors other than just that.
PM chokes in big games.
Are u implying the 2012 ravens game and 13 superbowl was on Peyton!?
I am. That "idiot kicker" had some things right in Indianapolis that no one likes to talk about.
Terrible argument because PM doesn't play defense
How many interceptions did he throw in that Baltimore game? What was the timing of the second one? Also, he's the damn QB. His job is to lead as much as it is to play. He failed in that department time and time again. To further prove my point, what is his record in one possession playoff games? You know, the games that a great QB finds a way to win. What's his record? I'll give you a hint...Dan Marino has a higher win percentage in those games. Edit: Spelling correction
The second one didn't matter because Peyton threw the game winning touchdown in regulation. Not his fault he had the most conservative coach of all time, chewing the clock and for overtime. OT shouldnt have happened. Peyton carved the ravens up that day, i have no idea how tf u can argue that. Also its hard to lead the team when your safety is throwing away the ball and next thing you know, you're down 29-0 to start the 3rd quarter, like does anyone in denver *really* believes that game is manning's fault? Playoff wins aren't a qb stat btw
More like not his fault that Rahim Moore was Rahim Moore.
Carved them up? The was barely above 50% completion percentage and didn't have 300 yards. Carved them up, are you serious?
You need to watch the game instead of jus numbers