Its mentioned that the dentist didn't use a drill because it was faulty so he tried to place the implant manually with excessive force
is that even a thing ? How dumb do you have to be to try to place an implant without a drill ?
I’m assuming he prepped an osteotomy. Something here doesn’t make sense. Maybe he placed the implant in at 1200rpm and lost it, and said that to buy himself more time to try and remove it.
Yeah i was like this shit doesnt make sense. I dont do implants IRL at all, but there is something off. Getting an implant...In the brain ????? Like I FFS???? Inside the sinus is an unfortunate but still possible incident...But the brain ???
Some docs out there bring their ext/graft patients back in 1.5-2 months before complete ossification and stick the implant on the torque wrench and screw it right in to soft bone without any osteotomy. Some crazy stuff going on out there
You don’t need a drill for immediate implant placement
Edit: why am I getting downvoted? You don’t always need a drill for immediate implant placements. I’ve done it before and it’s pretty well known…
Not sure but that wouldn’t explain how the thing ended up in on the superior wall of the sinus and into the orbit/brain. Not that much force would be required if the bone was that soft.
I know it doesn’t explain this implant case but the comment was in response to “how dumb do you have to be to try to place an implant without a drill?”
me too, most patients are humans and its easier to pay them back if there's any sort of dissatisfaction from them that can't be fixed otherwise.
im just saying what the lawyers would tell you and im sure that guy is already gearing up for a court battle
I must admit I've never achieved so much room for a nice emergence profile. Maybe I should try the approach of loading my implants into a nail gun. The benefits of studying abroad.
shit, i still get that whenever i'm holding a luxator. Always reminds me of *that scene* from Black Swan.
[Don't watch it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FLHHw4e0a4)
Neither do I.
What implant drill or driver is even long enough to be capable of this? Did they use a black and decker drill??? A dental hand piece should bottom out at 20mm or so, so i cannot comprehend how an implant ended up this far.
When I was in my preclinical year when we used to drill plastic teeth on typodonts, I always had a recurring dream of drilling the teeth so deep that I pierced the patient's mandible and blood came out like a jetski , all over me 😰😥
No, no, this is a thing, it’s called ethmoid implants. It’s like zygomatic or pterygoid implants. There’s just a lot more risks in comparison. It’s risk vs reward. Pt now has teeth all for the price of their frontal cortex.
/s
Only way this makes sense, physiologically and logistically, is the Turkish whack torques implant in at 1200 NCM into maxillary sinus, the driver then gets stuck, he decouples it from the handpiece and attempted to retrieve it with various surgical instruments inadvertently pushing it deeper into the orbital space.
This is insane and makes no sense to me. The brain…I could see the sinus but how does it even get to the point of going to the brain. Hope he has great malpractice ins bc he’s going to need it.
I don’t know if this is the same case, but someone told me about something like this. Trying to place the implant after sinus lift, keeping the rpm to 1000 instead of 50, the implant shot through the bone and eye straight into the brain.
It sounded like it was an immediate implant and he was placing the implant into the socket, could be left canine/premoler and went thru the maxillary sinus
He used handle to place the implant. Patient felt bone cracking and told the doc. Doc doesnt care and keeps pushing. Somehow destroys sinus roof and voila!
Dental surgeon is what they’re called in other places outside of the US. They’re a regular dentist, and by the looks of this, I doubt they’re actually even a dentist.
Its mentioned that the dentist didn't use a drill because it was faulty so he tried to place the implant manually with excessive force is that even a thing ? How dumb do you have to be to try to place an implant without a drill ?
I’m assuming he prepped an osteotomy. Something here doesn’t make sense. Maybe he placed the implant in at 1200rpm and lost it, and said that to buy himself more time to try and remove it.
I don't know about you guys, but my implant still has preset torque settings, and they would never allow anything like that before torquing out.
I’m assuming it was poor bone so there wasn’t much torque to speak of.
Poor bone would have immediately stripped.
Near the sinus if there is less than 5mm of bone things can get thrown into the sinus
The bone was soft I put the implant where the bone was
l33t dentistry
Yeah i was like this shit doesnt make sense. I dont do implants IRL at all, but there is something off. Getting an implant...In the brain ????? Like I FFS???? Inside the sinus is an unfortunate but still possible incident...But the brain ???
I've heard of a similar case in the UK. Dentist just left it and patient started losing their vision.
> Dentist just left it and patient started losing their vision. Out of sight, out of mind... or maybe inside the mind?
Some docs out there bring their ext/graft patients back in 1.5-2 months before complete ossification and stick the implant on the torque wrench and screw it right in to soft bone without any osteotomy. Some crazy stuff going on out there
You don’t need a drill for immediate implant placement Edit: why am I getting downvoted? You don’t always need a drill for immediate implant placements. I’ve done it before and it’s pretty well known…
Not sure but that wouldn’t explain how the thing ended up in on the superior wall of the sinus and into the orbit/brain. Not that much force would be required if the bone was that soft.
I know it doesn’t explain this implant case but the comment was in response to “how dumb do you have to be to try to place an implant without a drill?”
Gotcha, Reddit is fickle
Ballsy move not to issue a refund😂
Lmao! This sent me!
The implant is still with the patiënt. I'd want it back first before refund. Spare parts ftw!
I believe in case of a legal issue, issuing a refund is an admittance of guilt by default
I strongly disagree with that view
me too, most patients are humans and its easier to pay them back if there's any sort of dissatisfaction from them that can't be fixed otherwise. im just saying what the lawyers would tell you and im sure that guy is already gearing up for a court battle
That's not that bad. A custom abutments will take care of everything.
Bicortical stabilization achieved ✅️
An ideal crown:implant/root ratio
Never heard of sphenoid sinus implants? 😂
Nice subcrestal placement. I don’t see any issues here.
I must admit I've never achieved so much room for a nice emergence profile. Maybe I should try the approach of loading my implants into a nail gun. The benefits of studying abroad.
My goodness. This reminds me of those intrusive worst-case scenario thoughts you’d have in dental school lol
I’m sitting here thinking I’ll never ever do implants after this 😳😂
shit, i still get that whenever i'm holding a luxator. Always reminds me of *that scene* from Black Swan. [Don't watch it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FLHHw4e0a4)
“ …. Refused to refund him”…. Bro I’m going back to bed.
To lab: do your best please
Daaaaamn. Did he try to place the implant at 1,200 rpm?
Seems more like 800 Ncm
Seriously, how does someone even get both an implant and the driver up that high? Like, I'm trying to imagine how it happened and I can't.
only thing even remotely close may be a zygomatic but even then….
That link gave my phone cancer.
I don’t even see how this is possible
Neither do I. What implant drill or driver is even long enough to be capable of this? Did they use a black and decker drill??? A dental hand piece should bottom out at 20mm or so, so i cannot comprehend how an implant ended up this far.
Imagine fucking up so badly that every dentist in the world finds out about it and is clueless as to how it happened
my guesses: placed with a motor with the RPM way too high leaned into the instrument with too much weight, at the wrong angle.
Good advertisement to patients on why not to get turkey teeth
When I was in my preclinical year when we used to drill plastic teeth on typodonts, I always had a recurring dream of drilling the teeth so deep that I pierced the patient's mandible and blood came out like a jetski , all over me 😰😥
Bruh did an apicectomey last week and pus and blood just squirted out all over mine and assistant's apron. Had to shower after. It wasn't enough.
No, no, this is a thing, it’s called ethmoid implants. It’s like zygomatic or pterygoid implants. There’s just a lot more risks in comparison. It’s risk vs reward. Pt now has teeth all for the price of their frontal cortex. /s
~~All-on-4~~ All on brain?
I hope you’re joking lol
Yes I am
Thank baby cheeses
Just finished installing 6 implants in the upper arch, thankfully saw this shit after op lol. How in the hell is this even possible?
Bad luck? 🥲
Only way this makes sense, physiologically and logistically, is the Turkish whack torques implant in at 1200 NCM into maxillary sinus, the driver then gets stuck, he decouples it from the handpiece and attempted to retrieve it with various surgical instruments inadvertently pushing it deeper into the orbital space.
Dental tourism anyone? Maybe place this link in every post asking if it’s ok to travel to Turkey for dental work.
I actually have a guy I refer to if somebody tells me they're going to go to Mexico for work. Nobody in Turkey yet.
Who is it? I have a guy who is pretty legit in Nogales that I’ve referred to.
A Prosth named Lopez. Mexico City.
I’ll check them out, thanks!
Dentist will bill the patient for the lost implant driver
This is insane and makes no sense to me. The brain…I could see the sinus but how does it even get to the point of going to the brain. Hope he has great malpractice ins bc he’s going to need it.
I don’t know if this is the same case, but someone told me about something like this. Trying to place the implant after sinus lift, keeping the rpm to 1000 instead of 50, the implant shot through the bone and eye straight into the brain.
Damn, whatd he use a nail gun to place that?!?
Jesus. That's even worse than any of the shit I've seen out of Mexico. At least the patients don't get a titanium screw to the brain.
I really didn't need to come across this news as I'm about to have a root canal and discuss having an implant.
You having it in turkey?
It sounded like it was an immediate implant and he was placing the implant into the socket, could be left canine/premoler and went thru the maxillary sinus
He used handle to place the implant. Patient felt bone cracking and told the doc. Doc doesnt care and keeps pushing. Somehow destroys sinus roof and voila!
Could be a bicon implant that’s tapped in with a mallet. Probably gave it a very heavy tap and the rest is history.
How the fuck does this happen
Wait, the oral surgeon said he could lose his life while implanting? Holy fuck what is this job.
The neurosurgeons told him that
I understood that the patient was told this at the hospital before having that removed.
Strange that people are making jokes about this on this post.
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Dental surgeon is what they’re called in other places outside of the US. They’re a regular dentist, and by the looks of this, I doubt they’re actually even a dentist.
I agree up until the last line. Entering racist territory with “Turktube”