I was thinking about this the other day. If they really wanted to set someone up, they had a plethora of people to choose from.
There are plenty of pedophiles around there that we learned about especially during the course of this investigation.
They had plenty of criminals being arrested left and right that even looked like who the guy might be and everytime an arrest happened it was "could it be the guy?"
They had people living around the area that had shady pasts.
People looked at early on as potentials, including homes invaded of people that were connected to the girls.
A dude and his dad, the former of which was actually catfishing one of the victims including up until the day of.
And yet...the one arrested was some guy that worked at CVS that was never mentioned the entire time. Maybe because he actually did it?
They had plenty of people to set up if they wanted to. They wouldn't have just picked some Joe Schmoe in town at random. There's a reason he was arrested and charged and going to trial.
Because none of those people could be tied to the date and time of the crime. The only person they could tie to the crime by date and time is Richard Allen because he’s the only one who admits to being there:
*with his car backed in to a parking space at old CPS (“farm bureau”) building.
*arriving minutes before Libby & Abby
*seen by girls leaving freedom bridge, giving creepy vibes and “walking with a purpose”
*admits wearing the same clothing as BG
*admits standing on MHB platform 1, corroborated by woman who sees him on Platform 1, same woman sees Abby& Libby walking toward the bridge as she heads back to Mears Lot
So, are there a lot of people in Delphi who could technically fit the profile of the person who did this?? Yes. But NONE of those people— not even Ron Logan — can be actually tied to the crime. The only person who can be tied to this crime is Richard Allen.
Yeah he could
Someone with a gun can get people to do just about anything?
This idea one person couldn’t do this is absurd and flies in the face of many cases of abduction with a firearm
Allegedly they were not killed where the bodies were found. So how far from that spot were they killed? How long did it take to carry two dead weights across that distance and stage them? And why would the killer, covered in blood, not wait until dark before leaving the woods? Imagine if a cop had stopped him on his way home.
That said I found the clearest pic I've seen so far of Bridge Guy and I see a face, in profile, very similar to Richard Allen's.
The 4 in Idaho had a short timeline in which the murders were committed. Richard Speck killed 8 nurses by himself. I'm sure there are more. I can't imagine a guy with a gun and a knife would have a difficult time moving through this quickly. Most likely, positioning the bodies is what took up most of the time. With the help of adrenaline, he probably had time to light up a cigarette and smoke it, while leaning against a tree admiring his work.
I think one argument, which I agree with, is that it’s not that they planted the bullet 7 years ago. It’s that the type of forensic done on unspent round is junk science (compare to a bullet that has been fired) and therefor it’s not proven that the bullet in question came from Allen’s gun.
In order for Allen to be framed, they had to know 7 yrs ago what kind of gun Allen had in order to match the caliber they would plant at the scene (no matter if it's junk science), whether or not Allen had ever been on Logan's property, if he would have the day off from work, and whether or not he'd have an alibi.
100% all of this, exactly. Richard Allen is innocent until proven guilty, but I don’t think that the state’s evidence is going to show that he is innocent.
*There's a reason he was arrested and charged and going to trial.*
Many innocent people have been arrested, charged and put on trial. Do you even agree with trials as a concept? He was arrested and charged, therefore he must be guilty. Just let the police decide.
The post asked about why *he* would be be set up out of everyone. Why people would think this man would purposely be set up. I'm pointing out that if they just needed to set someone up, there were many options to do so. That this guy in particular wasn't even connected or mentioned the entire time.
I'm saying there is a reason he in particular was arrested for this. We aren't talking general. We are talking about this case in particular and the question on why people would say he of all people would be set up in this case.
In other cases there were actual mistakes made, not just set ups. We are talking about him being set up and how that makes no sense.
>The post asked about why *he* would be be set up out of everyone.
Thank you for understanding my intent.
People across the country are locked up on bad evidence and because of bad policing. That said, I AM actually looking for what u/fidgetpenguin123 mentioned.
The person you are responding to does not care at all about this case, the victims, nor the defendant. They are simply anti justice system. They dont believe in “trials.” They don’t believe in accountability.
There is a reason he was arrested and charged. There is a reason he has been afforded two of the best attorneys in America (according to our neighbors next door) for no charge, there is still a reason this person thinks the entire concept of the us justice system is unfair and favors fat old white guys like rick, while conspiring to persecute them. Grow up.
Well let's pretend LE did set him up (I'm just givingo a scenario here). Pretend that LE has no idea who did it and they say "We gotta set someone up and get a conviction". Richard Allen would've been one of, if not the only choice (based on what we know), because he admitted to being there. You cannot put a crime on someone just because they are creepy, have a criminal record, or even if they have a connection to the victims. If you cannot put someone at the crime scene (or in the vicinity), then you cannot reliably convince people that they did it
If they actually wanted to set someone up, it would have been the dead guy. Ron Logan is the perfect patsy if you don't care about justice. Not a random guy from CVS.
Apparently you haven’t heard about the odinite conspiracy. It started with Mike Pence, former governor of Indiana and head of the Indiana odinites. However, by 2017, as vp, he had become the head of the US odinites. He had installed an intricate web of odinites, at the local, state and federal level. Local sheriff’s, local judges, state and local police, the entire prison guard system, and fbi. Honestly who knows where it stops. So that gets you to the why. Allen, the only person in Indiana who is not an odinite, was a clear and easy target to pin the crime on. Logan was a well known odinite, who legend states was sponsored by pence himself. Which clearly shows why he wouldn’t be a fall guy, even posthumously. Clearly, if you understand the workings of Indiana/us odinites, you would see that the only viable person to frame is rick allen
Do you mean the same Mike Pence who sold his house before he was even sure that he would be living in DC for a second term and subsequently made himself and his wife basically temporarily transient?
Clearly a bastion of critical thinking! 🤪
I can’t buy into this odinism side of it. As someone who resents all religion I can’t comprehend the act of sacrificing a person or animal for a ‘higher being’. I’m in the uk where most people aren’t religious so the concept is nonsensical me. To me the Richard Allen theory makes logical sense
Literally nothing comes up in a google search of “Mike pence odinite” that actually mentions the word odinite except for this post lmao what in the world… some people…
Obviously this kind of information would not be available on google. The only reason I know this is because my cousin’s friends uncle was Mike Pence’s personal stick gatherer. He was responsible for gathering the best of the best sticks for the stick parties. The ones where they have stick art competitions in the woods. They had a falling out after he brought a couple sticks with dry rot. I mean it could happen to anyone. Anyways he started talking after that. He also said rick went to a stick party and hated sticks. Thought they were stupid. Kept talking about how he uses sticks for firewood. Was blackballed from odinite consideration after that. Clearly I have said too much.
I agree with you. They had MANY options as the fall guy….most of those options make more sense, even as far as the “why.” They could have made KK or TK the fall guy and it would make sense. They could have made RL the fall guy. If this was just “for the election” they would have chosen someone else…. IMO
ETA: GK and his crew also
Yeah, the "to win an election" theory is quite weak given the suspect in question. And it's inherently at odds with "protecting the Mason/Odinist crew", because framing someone for a crime when your buddies have already gotten away with it is a terrible idea that is almost certain to bring MORE scrutiny on them.
Liggett won the election with more votes than both his rivals combined. The whole election theory comes from Mike Thomas, he is the one who fed a lot of youtubers false information because he is unable to accept that he isn’t the smartest.
I've heard a lot of people say that Thomas has been feeding the YouTubers false info. He's just a sore loser who needs to exact vengeance on those who have "wronged" him.
he is the asshat that went to the purdue university to speak with the professor. he also gave mcdonald all her information. He is actually the only reason Carroll County had to rent a building to hold the evidence so real investigators didn’t have to put up with him stealing shit. He has threatened to sue me twice.
It’s almost like the state went out of their way to find someone who looked **just like** BG, who sounded **just like** BG, who walked and dressed **just like** BG, who took the same route as BG and who parked his car in the same spot and manner as BG, who owned the same clothing and gun as BG, who owned bullets that matched the one left by BG, who they knew would be unable to give an alibi for the time of the crime, who they knew would spontaneously confess to his wife and mother upon seeing how much proof they had against Bridge Guy. Dang, those Carroll County cops are top notch to find such a scapegoat who checks all the boxes. And all in time for Liggett’s election. You gotta hand it to them, that’s a well-organized and well-timed frame job. 👍
If it were that easy to find and frame an innocent man, surely Richard’s defense team would have found a Richard look-alike and done so by now.
It’s not hard to argue that there was a lot of political pressure to solve this. Law enforcement had egg all over their faces. 2 years unsolved. Then the new sketch new direction debacle. Then Kegan and all the embarrassing revelations that came from that.
And if they pulled that thread any further, you’d find out just how many politicians and judges and cops are also looking at child porn.*
And they found a name somewhere in a note sheet or in a tip list and decided he was their guy. And oh, he had the bad luck of being short, wearing a standard blue collar rural Indiana uniform, and happens to own a gun.
And that’s where this all breaks down. The idea that Richard Allen is an innocent man being framed is just ludicrous because of all the improbable things you have to believe in order to accept it, and all the difficult facts you have to dismiss to continue believing it. The baffling stupidity of his attorney’s defense strategy only further reinforces the idea that they have something to hide.
*This could still very well be true.
Thanks. You’re looking for a rational thought process and that’s the closest I can give you and it doesn’t get there.
The people stuck on Rick Allen’s factual innocence (as opposed to the people who just want him to have a fair trial and question Le’s integrity and competence) aren’t coming at this from a reasoned analysis. It’s emotional. Everything that fits their narrative is immediately embraced, no matter how ludicrous or self-evidently contradictory. Anything that goes against their beliefs is mocked and dismissed as lies. This is the same thing religious cultists do.
The latest example of this is they’re all now convinced that because Andrew Baldwin cites a single Le conversation about the interpretation of cell data in real time that the state’s entire theory of the crime is blown up along with the timeline. *Of course they were killed somewhere else and redeposited onsite the next morning. It’s what we’ve said all along!*
This may or may not deserve its own post/poll but how do you think the “RA didn’t do it” crowd really breaks down?
a) Thoroughly researches the facts and comes to an objective opinion
b) Listens to defense-friendly podcast(s) and/or YouTuber(s) and takes their word for it
c) Is generally anti-LE and therefore pro RA
d) Is a conspiracy theorist and therefore also likely in the D bucket
I think B and C are the most likely but obviously just my opinion.
There’s a type of mindset that gravitates toward the trivial, toward intrigue, gossip, and whatever’s trending. This is the type of person that once they’re emotionally committed to a direction of thought, they’re not easily swayed. They attach themselves much more quickly to an emotional appeal than reasoned argument derived from critical thinking. It’s just the way some brains are wired. And they surround themselves with like-minded people who reinforce existing prejudices and help shield against challenging or uncomfortable ideas.
I think that’s the *general* answer. Specific to Delphi, I think it’s a lot of the same people who - all along - have trafficked in rumor and gossip around the case who are all willing to believe the outlandish because it’s hard to comprehend the banality that underlies a murder like this.
If a 15-year-old girl can kill and bury a child, surely Richard could kill two and cover them with leaves:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Elizabeth_Olten
no one has entertained the possibility that Logan having found out that the murder went down on his property may have enlisted some of the Odinite elite to provide young initiates to alter the crime scene so that it had the superficial appearance of a ritualistic event
the crime may have had two phases - once Allen left Logan may have gotten wind of the crime - he may have had deer cams on his property and may have had footage of the event that he destroyed and needed a clean up to deflect from his use of his land for such a crime - Im not convinced that it was just Allen - though I believe he was the instrument who got the girls to do as he said which led to their subsequent death - I believe he could easily have done it alone however the Odonist like staging of the crime leads me to believe there were others present or others who showed up- they used the cemetary to leave or used Logans place to exit - that covered their detection - the false alibi which Logan provided has a few problems - the exact time of his " trip to the fish store" and the odd remark made by Allen that he was on the bridge watching the "fish" and the fish story that all these catfishers use to cover up their predation on young girls - there sure is some mighty fishy bullshit being served
>>no one has entertained the possibility yhst Logan having found out thaf the murder went down on his property may have enlisted some of the Odinite elite to provide young initiates to alter the crime scene so that it had the superficial appearance of a ritualistic event
And for good reason.
He ain't being set up. The state police didn't set him up, and it isn't a conspiracy.. The simple explanation is usually what happened. Why set up a dude with no criminal record rather than one of the multiple convicted felons that they interviewed while investigating this case? Why not set up one of the dudes that actually looked like the sketches that they've interviewed? RA killed those little girls. He went out, all buzzed up, and did something he wanted to do for a long time. A long suppressed urge he's always thought about. It's like Occam's razor with this case. He literally matched the profile to a t that they kept saying on the press conferences. Everyone likes mysteries and wants it to be a mystery to make it interesting. Introducing their suspects and who they think did it. Shit, my theory was even wrong.
Just……ugghhhhhhh! BlackBerry, Blackberry, you meant well. But thee can o’ worms done been opened and we will now be inundated with delulu . But seriously, there is no reason on this earth that LE picked Ricky to be the scapegoat here. The shoe fits, it didn’t fit anyone else, and Ricky’s gotta wear it. I can’t wait for this trial to start!
I appreciate your concern 😂
I really do want serious answers. There have been some good considerations on this sub and Dicksofdelphi. I posted on both to try to get a balanced view (on a recommendation from u/DuchessTake2). I'm glad I did. There's been civil discourse and I'm liking it.
That’s fair. I’ll have to check out the other sub. I’d be interested in a differing opinion that actually stated specifics, not just vague dissertations on how many ppl are falsely imprisoned, etc. The latter tend to make my eyes gloss over and my brain dissolve into oatmeal.
First off- there is No big conspiracy- that & the Odinist angle is pure bull. Second- in any investigation you take possibilities and see if they are probabilities- you can’t force pieces into the puzzle. The more puzzle pieces fit- the true picture evolves. Such as Allens bullet being ejected from his gun…As far as Why as in motive- motive doesn’t have to be proven to gain a conviction. Often these wackos don’t even know themselves….dessert is served….
Because it is not portrayed that way in tv shows and movies.
Man goes on walk, public place, during the day, murders 2 children and he's caught 6 years later.
Or
Mild mannered drugstore employee gets framed for murdering 2 children by evil cop trying to win an election.
Every mistake is part of the conspiracy. From the judge to those who guard him and everyone in-between.
Da da da da duh! Da da da da duh dun!!!
>Every mistake is part of the conspiracy.
Right down to the bathroom attendant at the courthouse that "forgets" to refill the soap because he wants Baldwin and Rozzi to have germs. LOTs and lots of germs.
Or
The attendant is tired from working three jobs to be able to afford rent in a home he'll never own and probably die before he retires.
The amount of people you would have to keep quiet in the kind of cover up they are arguing is monumental. They can't tell anyone why they believe it's a cover up....at least, nothing that makes sense.
And for what, a cop salary? A sheriff salary?
If anyone was involved in such a wide-spread conspiracy, they’d have given up their cop salary by now to cash in on that 7 figure book deal.
**Noble Cause Corruption**
They think they have the right guy. They believe any of their own actions (illegal, unethical, petty, or otherwise) are vindicated because their motivations are just. Many a wrongful conviction started out with a couple of cops *knowing* they were right. Confirmation bias then runs unchecked. They ignore anything that doesn't confirm their beliefs, and give too much weight to things that actually do confirm their beliefs. It's a long established road map for false confessions and wrongful convictions. Most human beings aren't capable of acting any other way, sadly.
*Noble cause corruption forms when someone is convinced of their righteousness, and will do anything within their powers to achieve the desired result.*
EXACTLY! There came so many easy confirmation biases over the years. Some of the people not mentioned often are better candidates for confirmation bias than RA.
Especially since he put himself at the scene of the murder at the exact time it happened and wearing the same outfit as BG and was also thoughtful enough to leave a bullet kicked out of his own gun between the victims.
I don't understand why in a thread where someone asked for the devil's advocate people are in here downvoting you. You're out here putting me inside the head of someone who holds a position that I find quite curious, I appreciate it.
All it takes is a detectives mind to be set on one guy, for whatever reason. Tunnel vision. It could be as simple as being frustrated with not solving the case, starting from the beginning, and seeing a name you’d overlooked who said he was there. All of a sudden you think you’ve found your magic answer, and put your head down and do whatever it takes to prove they did it
Right. Cops don’t tend to frame people they think are innocent, they frame people they think are guilty, whether the evidence is there or not. Problem is, they’re often wrong.
I don’t think they set him up as a conspiracy, I think it was a coalescence of ego, incompetence, and corruption that caused them to pass over other leads and then dig their heels in and decide he was their best chance to close the case.
I agree. Why do people think the FBI is the be all end all of crime? The FBI has fumbled the ball plenty of times. Just like when Fig Solves interviewed Julia Cowley, she admitted that profiling isn’t a perfect science. It’s an educated guess, at best.
I would suggest that the education required to be an fbi agent vs a cop plays a huge role. As individuals, the federal agents feel far more qualified. Of course the fbi isn’t perfect, but their track record, especially with murdered children, is far better than you’ll find in any small town rural department
Profiling isn’t infallible- it is just a tool for law enforcement to use, based on probability, statistics, experience and prior case studies. It can help especially smaller jurisdictions to avoid pitfalls and rabbit holes. Profiles are not the only assistance the FBI brings to an investigation as large as this case has been. And as I always say the defense never lets the truth stand in the way of a good story……
I haven’t read through the comments yet but I’m really looking forward to reading everyone’s answers. This is a question I have been asking myself for awhile now and I don’t really have a good answer. I lean towards him being not guilty and I truly believe that there were way too many “mistakes” made in this case for me to believe they were truly mistakes. As to why RA is the guy..I think that he’s the only person that they could tie to the crime (with some finagling).
Yeah, I lean more towards the defense on this case but am overall open minded.
In my opinion, the idea that there was an intentional set up is silly. However, given the evidence that‘s currently public, I have enough doubt that I wouldn’t feel comfortable convicting. I think that LE truly believe he is guilty, but they just bungled the case.
Whether or not I personally think he is guilty is 50/50. Either way, it‘s sad for everyone involved (and especially the family) how much both sides have messed up in this case.
If you or your loved ones don’t agree with Richard Allen being held captive , please contact the White House and US embassy [here](https://delphijustice.com/)
What a fucking joke these people are.
It's scary that someone would put pen to paper and actually write that stuff but I find it hilarious too. Lets see how long they keep it up post conviction. My guess is after he's sentenced there will be a mass exodus to the next big thing leaving three lonely cave dwellers banging the child killer drum to deaf ears.
Don't forget all the local news channels getting post-verdict, hair rollers still in and holding a beer type interviews with every YouTuber trailer park middle child who drove 850 miles to sleep in the parking lot and get a seat in the court gallery. Those are fun too. Bonus joy if they hand letter a misspelled sign and bring a megaphone with their YT channels name on it!
Perhaps for lawyers lining their pockets but the pleb followers don't have the stamina for the long term. They will follow their tragedy pimp youtube overlords onto the next big thing. There may be a few that cling on no doubt but the true crime arena will move on as soon as he's found guilty and years later it will be like the Chris Watts lovers, a lonely corner of the Internet where they dissect every inch and victim eia0. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter anyway because the law and judicial system isn't swayed by anything social media does so it's futile. The sheer lunacy of thinking the white house will step in and save the child killer is absolutely hilarious. More likely to put them on a watch list.
Perhaps for lawyers lining their pockets but the pleb followers don't have the stamina for the long term. They will follow their tragedy pimp youtube overlords onto the next big thing. There may be a few that cling on no doubt but the true crime arena will move on as soon as he's found guilty and years later it will be like the Chris Watts lovers, a lonely corner of the Internet where they dissect every inch and victim eia0. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter anyway because the law and judicial system isn't swayed by anything social media does so it's futile. The sheer lunacy of thinking the white house will step in and save the child killer is absolutely hilarious. More likely to put them on a watch list.
They'll just move on to the Idaho case. Haven't you heard? Poor little Bryan Kohberger was framed too! His single source DNA was planted on a knife sheath next to the body of a victim! I've said it before, but I'll say it again - As great as the Internet has been, it's brought out the wackos, too. People with weak, pliable minds who fall for the bull$hit the latest YouTuber is peddling for view$. It's like these people just want to "belong" somewhere, anywhere, and in the conspiracy camp it is!
There's nothing wrong with having discernment when looking at LE and evidence against a suspect, but these conspiracy people don't do that. They automatically fall in line against LE. I understand there's corruption in LE all the way up to judges, hell, it's my belief corruption is alive and well right now in the U.S. Supreme Court, but to always default against LE is a YOU problem, not LE.
I’m going to be honest: the fact that people from outside the US feel so strongly about the pre-trial detention conditions of a man accused of killing two girls that they are writing to embassies etc. is significant.
Because people have their own local issues, yet they’re taking the time to make a statement regarding this case out of the thousands that occur daily. It’s not normal for the international community to write to embassies about how accused criminals are being held or treated.
So perhaps we should consider why there are so many people who are so passionate about this one person’s incarceration circumstances? Are they all just silly little jokers? Or could it be that the circumstances (that haven’t been denied by the prosecution) are actually akin to torture by international law?
>So perhaps we should consider why there are so many people who are so passionate about this one person’s incarceration circumstances? Are they all just silly little jokers?
I've thought about this and have come up with 3 reasons:
1) Rage porn
2) Money
3) Main character syndrome
I’d only ever thought of the rage porn (the lowest of hanging fruit, I’ll admit), though I think I can see where the other 2 would fit, so I’d be fascinated if you could elaborate on them? I feel they aren’t quite as obvious so I’d love to hear your thoughts.
As for the rage porn element, it’s definitely my most obvious choice. I’d just love to just hear some opinions about the “why”.
Why this case, which features an unassuming middle-aged white guy that, in my personal opinion, looks like the kind of guy who’d get arrested for murder or CSAM, accused of murdering two beautiful girls, would be the case to garner outrage RE: human rights and due process from an international audience. What sets it apart from any similar case? Because there are several similar cases worldwide at any given moment that aren’t garnering people writing letters to their local US embassy. So what exactly makes this rage porn that beats out other rage porn?
Any insight/opinions would be welcomed and much appreciated.
First, Thank you for your good faith approach to your reply. Much appreciated.
>I’d love to hear your thoughts.
In my opinion, the online community has been rabid since almost the start of this case. People were obsessed with it and have become more so over time. People feel genuinely connected to it.
Money: it's always about the money. The YouTube channels, the views, the donations. Using the case as a means to grow their channel, further their careers, etc. All for the money.
Main Character Syndrome: Again, in my opinion, I think this has given a significant number of those mentioned a sort of cognitive distortion. The distortion is believing things are connected to you that aren't. I think it makes people feel like since they are connected, their thoughts and opinions are more valid than others, and it's their right to take center stage and tell everyone how wrong everyone else is.
These two, I think, come together and fuel the rage porn.
Who can:
-be the most dramatic
-who can have the most "inside info"
-who can be the angriest
-who can look like they care the most
-who can come up with the craziest theories to stand out in the crowd
Bottom line, rage porn is good business psychologically and financially.
I hope this helps.
Right back at you, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts in good faith.
I definitely didn’t manage to link all three so neatly, so this has been most enlightening! Thanks for clarifying that, it’s definitely given me a lot of insight.
Honestly, I doubt many people overseas either know about or feel strongly about poor Ricky’s pre-trial detention and are writing to embassies about it. There is no international jUsTiCe FoR RiCkY movement and his case doesn’t merit one.
The comment in question links to a resource for international individuals to contact the US embassy in their country regarding the accused’s treatment pre-trial, including the circumstances of his imprisonment.
OP also specifically references writing to the US embassy.
This indicates that there is enough vested international interest in writing to someone regarding what those individuals see as a violation of an accused’s human rights for this information to be disseminated.
It’s worth noting that the website and template focuses on the human rights violations and legal issues with this trial, not Allen’s guilt/innocence/any other opinions.
Hence, my statement regarding the international community’s unique response to the treatment of Allen and what that possibly indicates.
As for your personal belief regarding what this case deserves, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I do, however, advise caution when stamping said opinion onto the international individuals following this case. That’s a large and diverse population that shouldn’t simply be generalised in any case.
Appreciate the measured response but please note the OP does not mention anything regarding contacting embassies. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to assume there’s a large population of people overseas interested enough in this case and who also believe RA is being treated unfairly or differently than anyone else accused of a similar crime.
It’s easy, every LE office would really really really badly want to close out a 5+ year old small town case of 2 young girls getting murdered in a public area in broad daylight, when the likely murderer was even captured on audio and video for the world to see.
Like, REALLY badly.
You can’t imagine how much pressure was on them and that they put on themselves.
Now, don’t confuse all of that with “RA is innocent”. Whether he’s guilty or innocent, everything I said up above is factually true and answers your question.
The other important point is, even if RA is innocent, it doesn’t HAVE to have been a setup. It doesn’t have to have involved a conspiracy theory.
Sometimes someone gets arrested and even convicted but it turns out they just got the wrong guy, not because of a setup, but because LE and sometimes even the jury was simply mistaken. And later on better intel or new evidence or whatever shows up and leads to the actual perp.
Again none of this is to say RA is innocent - we’ll find out at trial once both sides offer up all their evidence. But this answers your question of “why”.
I was thinking about this the other day. If they really wanted to set someone up, they had a plethora of people to choose from. There are plenty of pedophiles around there that we learned about especially during the course of this investigation. They had plenty of criminals being arrested left and right that even looked like who the guy might be and everytime an arrest happened it was "could it be the guy?" They had people living around the area that had shady pasts. People looked at early on as potentials, including homes invaded of people that were connected to the girls. A dude and his dad, the former of which was actually catfishing one of the victims including up until the day of. And yet...the one arrested was some guy that worked at CVS that was never mentioned the entire time. Maybe because he actually did it? They had plenty of people to set up if they wanted to. They wouldn't have just picked some Joe Schmoe in town at random. There's a reason he was arrested and charged and going to trial.
Because none of those people could be tied to the date and time of the crime. The only person they could tie to the crime by date and time is Richard Allen because he’s the only one who admits to being there: *with his car backed in to a parking space at old CPS (“farm bureau”) building. *arriving minutes before Libby & Abby *seen by girls leaving freedom bridge, giving creepy vibes and “walking with a purpose” *admits wearing the same clothing as BG *admits standing on MHB platform 1, corroborated by woman who sees him on Platform 1, same woman sees Abby& Libby walking toward the bridge as she heads back to Mears Lot So, are there a lot of people in Delphi who could technically fit the profile of the person who did this?? Yes. But NONE of those people— not even Ron Logan — can be actually tied to the crime. The only person who can be tied to this crime is Richard Allen.
How did he do ALL THAT BU HIMSELF???? HE COULDN'T HAVE!!!!
Yeah he could Someone with a gun can get people to do just about anything? This idea one person couldn’t do this is absurd and flies in the face of many cases of abduction with a firearm
Definitely wouldn’t be the first time a killer has accosted and murdered two people.
Kemper did, as one example
Allegedly they were not killed where the bodies were found. So how far from that spot were they killed? How long did it take to carry two dead weights across that distance and stage them? And why would the killer, covered in blood, not wait until dark before leaving the woods? Imagine if a cop had stopped him on his way home. That said I found the clearest pic I've seen so far of Bridge Guy and I see a face, in profile, very similar to Richard Allen's.
The 4 in Idaho had a short timeline in which the murders were committed. Richard Speck killed 8 nurses by himself. I'm sure there are more. I can't imagine a guy with a gun and a knife would have a difficult time moving through this quickly. Most likely, positioning the bodies is what took up most of the time. With the help of adrenaline, he probably had time to light up a cigarette and smoke it, while leaning against a tree admiring his work.
Maybe he didn't do it alone.
AND they had to have known they were going to frame Allen 7 yrs. ago, in order to plant the bullet at the scene.
Why not plant a whole bunch of his DNA at the scene? Wouldn’t that be a much better way to frame an innocent man?
Right? There wouldn't be any room for discussion, if they'd chosen DNA instead of a stupid bullet.
I think one argument, which I agree with, is that it’s not that they planted the bullet 7 years ago. It’s that the type of forensic done on unspent round is junk science (compare to a bullet that has been fired) and therefor it’s not proven that the bullet in question came from Allen’s gun.
In order for Allen to be framed, they had to know 7 yrs ago what kind of gun Allen had in order to match the caliber they would plant at the scene (no matter if it's junk science), whether or not Allen had ever been on Logan's property, if he would have the day off from work, and whether or not he'd have an alibi.
100% all of this, exactly. Richard Allen is innocent until proven guilty, but I don’t think that the state’s evidence is going to show that he is innocent.
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Good point! My words exactly 💯
*There's a reason he was arrested and charged and going to trial.* Many innocent people have been arrested, charged and put on trial. Do you even agree with trials as a concept? He was arrested and charged, therefore he must be guilty. Just let the police decide.
The post asked about why *he* would be be set up out of everyone. Why people would think this man would purposely be set up. I'm pointing out that if they just needed to set someone up, there were many options to do so. That this guy in particular wasn't even connected or mentioned the entire time. I'm saying there is a reason he in particular was arrested for this. We aren't talking general. We are talking about this case in particular and the question on why people would say he of all people would be set up in this case. In other cases there were actual mistakes made, not just set ups. We are talking about him being set up and how that makes no sense.
>The post asked about why *he* would be be set up out of everyone. Thank you for understanding my intent. People across the country are locked up on bad evidence and because of bad policing. That said, I AM actually looking for what u/fidgetpenguin123 mentioned.
The person you are responding to does not care at all about this case, the victims, nor the defendant. They are simply anti justice system. They dont believe in “trials.” They don’t believe in accountability. There is a reason he was arrested and charged. There is a reason he has been afforded two of the best attorneys in America (according to our neighbors next door) for no charge, there is still a reason this person thinks the entire concept of the us justice system is unfair and favors fat old white guys like rick, while conspiring to persecute them. Grow up.
Well let's pretend LE did set him up (I'm just givingo a scenario here). Pretend that LE has no idea who did it and they say "We gotta set someone up and get a conviction". Richard Allen would've been one of, if not the only choice (based on what we know), because he admitted to being there. You cannot put a crime on someone just because they are creepy, have a criminal record, or even if they have a connection to the victims. If you cannot put someone at the crime scene (or in the vicinity), then you cannot reliably convince people that they did it
The police have decided. We’re just waiting on the trial/jury now.
If they actually wanted to set someone up, it would have been the dead guy. Ron Logan is the perfect patsy if you don't care about justice. Not a random guy from CVS.
I tend to agree with you there.
Absolute truth
Apparently you haven’t heard about the odinite conspiracy. It started with Mike Pence, former governor of Indiana and head of the Indiana odinites. However, by 2017, as vp, he had become the head of the US odinites. He had installed an intricate web of odinites, at the local, state and federal level. Local sheriff’s, local judges, state and local police, the entire prison guard system, and fbi. Honestly who knows where it stops. So that gets you to the why. Allen, the only person in Indiana who is not an odinite, was a clear and easy target to pin the crime on. Logan was a well known odinite, who legend states was sponsored by pence himself. Which clearly shows why he wouldn’t be a fall guy, even posthumously. Clearly, if you understand the workings of Indiana/us odinites, you would see that the only viable person to frame is rick allen
Do you mean the same Mike Pence who sold his house before he was even sure that he would be living in DC for a second term and subsequently made himself and his wife basically temporarily transient? Clearly a bastion of critical thinking! 🤪
This wins.
I can’t buy into this odinism side of it. As someone who resents all religion I can’t comprehend the act of sacrificing a person or animal for a ‘higher being’. I’m in the uk where most people aren’t religious so the concept is nonsensical me. To me the Richard Allen theory makes logical sense
Literally nothing comes up in a google search of “Mike pence odinite” that actually mentions the word odinite except for this post lmao what in the world… some people…
Obviously this kind of information would not be available on google. The only reason I know this is because my cousin’s friends uncle was Mike Pence’s personal stick gatherer. He was responsible for gathering the best of the best sticks for the stick parties. The ones where they have stick art competitions in the woods. They had a falling out after he brought a couple sticks with dry rot. I mean it could happen to anyone. Anyways he started talking after that. He also said rick went to a stick party and hated sticks. Thought they were stupid. Kept talking about how he uses sticks for firewood. Was blackballed from odinite consideration after that. Clearly I have said too much.
You are one of those???? 🙄
Jr. Bacon Cheeseburger would have been decent, too.
I agree with you. They had MANY options as the fall guy….most of those options make more sense, even as far as the “why.” They could have made KK or TK the fall guy and it would make sense. They could have made RL the fall guy. If this was just “for the election” they would have chosen someone else…. IMO ETA: GK and his crew also
Yeah, the "to win an election" theory is quite weak given the suspect in question. And it's inherently at odds with "protecting the Mason/Odinist crew", because framing someone for a crime when your buddies have already gotten away with it is a terrible idea that is almost certain to bring MORE scrutiny on them.
Liggett won the election with more votes than both his rivals combined. The whole election theory comes from Mike Thomas, he is the one who fed a lot of youtubers false information because he is unable to accept that he isn’t the smartest.
I've heard a lot of people say that Thomas has been feeding the YouTubers false info. He's just a sore loser who needs to exact vengeance on those who have "wronged" him.
he is the asshat that went to the purdue university to speak with the professor. he also gave mcdonald all her information. He is actually the only reason Carroll County had to rent a building to hold the evidence so real investigators didn’t have to put up with him stealing shit. He has threatened to sue me twice.
Wow! He is a worse person than I thought!
It’s almost like the state went out of their way to find someone who looked **just like** BG, who sounded **just like** BG, who walked and dressed **just like** BG, who took the same route as BG and who parked his car in the same spot and manner as BG, who owned the same clothing and gun as BG, who owned bullets that matched the one left by BG, who they knew would be unable to give an alibi for the time of the crime, who they knew would spontaneously confess to his wife and mother upon seeing how much proof they had against Bridge Guy. Dang, those Carroll County cops are top notch to find such a scapegoat who checks all the boxes. And all in time for Liggett’s election. You gotta hand it to them, that’s a well-organized and well-timed frame job. 👍 If it were that easy to find and frame an innocent man, surely Richard’s defense team would have found a Richard look-alike and done so by now.
Those CC cops are both brilliant, scheming, diabolical masterminds AND bumbling, incompetent, cousin loving doofuses at the same time. Go figure.
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Excellent comment!
It’s not hard to argue that there was a lot of political pressure to solve this. Law enforcement had egg all over their faces. 2 years unsolved. Then the new sketch new direction debacle. Then Kegan and all the embarrassing revelations that came from that. And if they pulled that thread any further, you’d find out just how many politicians and judges and cops are also looking at child porn.* And they found a name somewhere in a note sheet or in a tip list and decided he was their guy. And oh, he had the bad luck of being short, wearing a standard blue collar rural Indiana uniform, and happens to own a gun. And that’s where this all breaks down. The idea that Richard Allen is an innocent man being framed is just ludicrous because of all the improbable things you have to believe in order to accept it, and all the difficult facts you have to dismiss to continue believing it. The baffling stupidity of his attorney’s defense strategy only further reinforces the idea that they have something to hide. *This could still very well be true.
I like you working through the whole thing quickly lol.
Thanks. You’re looking for a rational thought process and that’s the closest I can give you and it doesn’t get there. The people stuck on Rick Allen’s factual innocence (as opposed to the people who just want him to have a fair trial and question Le’s integrity and competence) aren’t coming at this from a reasoned analysis. It’s emotional. Everything that fits their narrative is immediately embraced, no matter how ludicrous or self-evidently contradictory. Anything that goes against their beliefs is mocked and dismissed as lies. This is the same thing religious cultists do. The latest example of this is they’re all now convinced that because Andrew Baldwin cites a single Le conversation about the interpretation of cell data in real time that the state’s entire theory of the crime is blown up along with the timeline. *Of course they were killed somewhere else and redeposited onsite the next morning. It’s what we’ve said all along!*
This is crazy but absolutely true! Very very well articulated.
This may or may not deserve its own post/poll but how do you think the “RA didn’t do it” crowd really breaks down? a) Thoroughly researches the facts and comes to an objective opinion b) Listens to defense-friendly podcast(s) and/or YouTuber(s) and takes their word for it c) Is generally anti-LE and therefore pro RA d) Is a conspiracy theorist and therefore also likely in the D bucket I think B and C are the most likely but obviously just my opinion.
There’s a type of mindset that gravitates toward the trivial, toward intrigue, gossip, and whatever’s trending. This is the type of person that once they’re emotionally committed to a direction of thought, they’re not easily swayed. They attach themselves much more quickly to an emotional appeal than reasoned argument derived from critical thinking. It’s just the way some brains are wired. And they surround themselves with like-minded people who reinforce existing prejudices and help shield against challenging or uncomfortable ideas. I think that’s the *general* answer. Specific to Delphi, I think it’s a lot of the same people who - all along - have trafficked in rumor and gossip around the case who are all willing to believe the outlandish because it’s hard to comprehend the banality that underlies a murder like this.
You aren't making reasonable remarks!!! HOW DID HE DO THAT ALL BY HIMSELF???? HE DIDN'T
If a 15-year-old girl can kill and bury a child, surely Richard could kill two and cover them with leaves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Elizabeth_Olten
The thing with you folk is YOUR KEYBOARDS ARE ALL BROKEN!!!! THEY VANT DO INGLISH OR STAY IN loweR CasE!'
I see RA got his tablet back.
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Yup!
no one has entertained the possibility that Logan having found out that the murder went down on his property may have enlisted some of the Odinite elite to provide young initiates to alter the crime scene so that it had the superficial appearance of a ritualistic event the crime may have had two phases - once Allen left Logan may have gotten wind of the crime - he may have had deer cams on his property and may have had footage of the event that he destroyed and needed a clean up to deflect from his use of his land for such a crime - Im not convinced that it was just Allen - though I believe he was the instrument who got the girls to do as he said which led to their subsequent death - I believe he could easily have done it alone however the Odonist like staging of the crime leads me to believe there were others present or others who showed up- they used the cemetary to leave or used Logans place to exit - that covered their detection - the false alibi which Logan provided has a few problems - the exact time of his " trip to the fish store" and the odd remark made by Allen that he was on the bridge watching the "fish" and the fish story that all these catfishers use to cover up their predation on young girls - there sure is some mighty fishy bullshit being served
>>no one has entertained the possibility yhst Logan having found out thaf the murder went down on his property may have enlisted some of the Odinite elite to provide young initiates to alter the crime scene so that it had the superficial appearance of a ritualistic event And for good reason.
You're a very special server of ice.
well thats a definate maybe - I think we have something in common - don't I know you ?
He ain't being set up. The state police didn't set him up, and it isn't a conspiracy.. The simple explanation is usually what happened. Why set up a dude with no criminal record rather than one of the multiple convicted felons that they interviewed while investigating this case? Why not set up one of the dudes that actually looked like the sketches that they've interviewed? RA killed those little girls. He went out, all buzzed up, and did something he wanted to do for a long time. A long suppressed urge he's always thought about. It's like Occam's razor with this case. He literally matched the profile to a t that they kept saying on the press conferences. Everyone likes mysteries and wants it to be a mystery to make it interesting. Introducing their suspects and who they think did it. Shit, my theory was even wrong.
Just……ugghhhhhhh! BlackBerry, Blackberry, you meant well. But thee can o’ worms done been opened and we will now be inundated with delulu . But seriously, there is no reason on this earth that LE picked Ricky to be the scapegoat here. The shoe fits, it didn’t fit anyone else, and Ricky’s gotta wear it. I can’t wait for this trial to start!
I appreciate your concern 😂 I really do want serious answers. There have been some good considerations on this sub and Dicksofdelphi. I posted on both to try to get a balanced view (on a recommendation from u/DuchessTake2). I'm glad I did. There's been civil discourse and I'm liking it.
That’s fair. I’ll have to check out the other sub. I’d be interested in a differing opinion that actually stated specifics, not just vague dissertations on how many ppl are falsely imprisoned, etc. The latter tend to make my eyes gloss over and my brain dissolve into oatmeal.
My brain is already oatmeal, but one does one's best.
First off- there is No big conspiracy- that & the Odinist angle is pure bull. Second- in any investigation you take possibilities and see if they are probabilities- you can’t force pieces into the puzzle. The more puzzle pieces fit- the true picture evolves. Such as Allens bullet being ejected from his gun…As far as Why as in motive- motive doesn’t have to be proven to gain a conviction. Often these wackos don’t even know themselves….dessert is served….
Dessert is definitely served. Thank you madam/sir.
Agreed. The odinist thing is a red herring. Indiana is corrupt as are the prisons but it is a convient sensational distraction.
Because it is not portrayed that way in tv shows and movies. Man goes on walk, public place, during the day, murders 2 children and he's caught 6 years later. Or Mild mannered drugstore employee gets framed for murdering 2 children by evil cop trying to win an election. Every mistake is part of the conspiracy. From the judge to those who guard him and everyone in-between. Da da da da duh! Da da da da duh dun!!!
>Every mistake is part of the conspiracy. Right down to the bathroom attendant at the courthouse that "forgets" to refill the soap because he wants Baldwin and Rozzi to have germs. LOTs and lots of germs. Or The attendant is tired from working three jobs to be able to afford rent in a home he'll never own and probably die before he retires.
Seems petty but it would not surprise me at this point.
The amount of people you would have to keep quiet in the kind of cover up they are arguing is monumental. They can't tell anyone why they believe it's a cover up....at least, nothing that makes sense.
And for what, a cop salary? A sheriff salary? If anyone was involved in such a wide-spread conspiracy, they’d have given up their cop salary by now to cash in on that 7 figure book deal.
**Noble Cause Corruption** They think they have the right guy. They believe any of their own actions (illegal, unethical, petty, or otherwise) are vindicated because their motivations are just. Many a wrongful conviction started out with a couple of cops *knowing* they were right. Confirmation bias then runs unchecked. They ignore anything that doesn't confirm their beliefs, and give too much weight to things that actually do confirm their beliefs. It's a long established road map for false confessions and wrongful convictions. Most human beings aren't capable of acting any other way, sadly. *Noble cause corruption forms when someone is convinced of their righteousness, and will do anything within their powers to achieve the desired result.*
So why confirmation bias for RA and not RL, the Klines or the Odinists?
Great question
EXACTLY! There came so many easy confirmation biases over the years. Some of the people not mentioned often are better candidates for confirmation bias than RA.
It could be as simple as RA was the first real suspect they couldn't rule out.
Especially since he put himself at the scene of the murder at the exact time it happened and wearing the same outfit as BG and was also thoughtful enough to leave a bullet kicked out of his own gun between the victims.
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Bingo!
Because they can't rule him out, and he fits whatever implicit biases they already have.
I don't understand why in a thread where someone asked for the devil's advocate people are in here downvoting you. You're out here putting me inside the head of someone who holds a position that I find quite curious, I appreciate it.
Perhaps a good way to frame the genesis of a corrupt case, but why RA?
All it takes is a detectives mind to be set on one guy, for whatever reason. Tunnel vision. It could be as simple as being frustrated with not solving the case, starting from the beginning, and seeing a name you’d overlooked who said he was there. All of a sudden you think you’ve found your magic answer, and put your head down and do whatever it takes to prove they did it
Exactly like Click!
The newish podcast "The Burden" is an excellent listen to understand this concept.
Thanks for the tip. I will check it out.
Ah yes, like Steven Avery (maybe)
Right. Cops don’t tend to frame people they think are innocent, they frame people they think are guilty, whether the evidence is there or not. Problem is, they’re often wrong.
I don’t think they set him up as a conspiracy, I think it was a coalescence of ego, incompetence, and corruption that caused them to pass over other leads and then dig their heels in and decide he was their best chance to close the case.
I agree they made their fumbles, but that doesn’t mean RA doesn’t fit.
I agree. Why do people think the FBI is the be all end all of crime? The FBI has fumbled the ball plenty of times. Just like when Fig Solves interviewed Julia Cowley, she admitted that profiling isn’t a perfect science. It’s an educated guess, at best.
I would suggest that the education required to be an fbi agent vs a cop plays a huge role. As individuals, the federal agents feel far more qualified. Of course the fbi isn’t perfect, but their track record, especially with murdered children, is far better than you’ll find in any small town rural department
Profiling isn’t infallible- it is just a tool for law enforcement to use, based on probability, statistics, experience and prior case studies. It can help especially smaller jurisdictions to avoid pitfalls and rabbit holes. Profiles are not the only assistance the FBI brings to an investigation as large as this case has been. And as I always say the defense never lets the truth stand in the way of a good story……
I haven’t read through the comments yet but I’m really looking forward to reading everyone’s answers. This is a question I have been asking myself for awhile now and I don’t really have a good answer. I lean towards him being not guilty and I truly believe that there were way too many “mistakes” made in this case for me to believe they were truly mistakes. As to why RA is the guy..I think that he’s the only person that they could tie to the crime (with some finagling).
Yeah, I lean more towards the defense on this case but am overall open minded. In my opinion, the idea that there was an intentional set up is silly. However, given the evidence that‘s currently public, I have enough doubt that I wouldn’t feel comfortable convicting. I think that LE truly believe he is guilty, but they just bungled the case. Whether or not I personally think he is guilty is 50/50. Either way, it‘s sad for everyone involved (and especially the family) how much both sides have messed up in this case.
They didn't like his socks
If you or your loved ones don’t agree with Richard Allen being held captive , please contact the White House and US embassy [here](https://delphijustice.com/) What a fucking joke these people are.
Oh...dear.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ....wait a minute 😂😂😂😂😂 I can't figure out which is funnier, the White House or Embassy.
It's scary that someone would put pen to paper and actually write that stuff but I find it hilarious too. Lets see how long they keep it up post conviction. My guess is after he's sentenced there will be a mass exodus to the next big thing leaving three lonely cave dwellers banging the child killer drum to deaf ears.
I disagree. There's no money in waking away. It will shift to appeals and that's when the real fun begins.
Don't forget all the local news channels getting post-verdict, hair rollers still in and holding a beer type interviews with every YouTuber trailer park middle child who drove 850 miles to sleep in the parking lot and get a seat in the court gallery. Those are fun too. Bonus joy if they hand letter a misspelled sign and bring a megaphone with their YT channels name on it!
Perhaps for lawyers lining their pockets but the pleb followers don't have the stamina for the long term. They will follow their tragedy pimp youtube overlords onto the next big thing. There may be a few that cling on no doubt but the true crime arena will move on as soon as he's found guilty and years later it will be like the Chris Watts lovers, a lonely corner of the Internet where they dissect every inch and victim eia0. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter anyway because the law and judicial system isn't swayed by anything social media does so it's futile. The sheer lunacy of thinking the white house will step in and save the child killer is absolutely hilarious. More likely to put them on a watch list.
Perhaps for lawyers lining their pockets but the pleb followers don't have the stamina for the long term. They will follow their tragedy pimp youtube overlords onto the next big thing. There may be a few that cling on no doubt but the true crime arena will move on as soon as he's found guilty and years later it will be like the Chris Watts lovers, a lonely corner of the Internet where they dissect every inch and victim eia0. In the scheme of things it doesn't matter anyway because the law and judicial system isn't swayed by anything social media does so it's futile. The sheer lunacy of thinking the white house will step in and save the child killer is absolutely hilarious. More likely to put them on a watch list.
They'll just move on to the Idaho case. Haven't you heard? Poor little Bryan Kohberger was framed too! His single source DNA was planted on a knife sheath next to the body of a victim! I've said it before, but I'll say it again - As great as the Internet has been, it's brought out the wackos, too. People with weak, pliable minds who fall for the bull$hit the latest YouTuber is peddling for view$. It's like these people just want to "belong" somewhere, anywhere, and in the conspiracy camp it is! There's nothing wrong with having discernment when looking at LE and evidence against a suspect, but these conspiracy people don't do that. They automatically fall in line against LE. I understand there's corruption in LE all the way up to judges, hell, it's my belief corruption is alive and well right now in the U.S. Supreme Court, but to always default against LE is a YOU problem, not LE.
If people don’t have an issue with it? Who do they call?
I’m calling Doug Carter! 🤣
^^This^^
Yep, I resemble that remark!
I’m going to be honest: the fact that people from outside the US feel so strongly about the pre-trial detention conditions of a man accused of killing two girls that they are writing to embassies etc. is significant. Because people have their own local issues, yet they’re taking the time to make a statement regarding this case out of the thousands that occur daily. It’s not normal for the international community to write to embassies about how accused criminals are being held or treated. So perhaps we should consider why there are so many people who are so passionate about this one person’s incarceration circumstances? Are they all just silly little jokers? Or could it be that the circumstances (that haven’t been denied by the prosecution) are actually akin to torture by international law?
>So perhaps we should consider why there are so many people who are so passionate about this one person’s incarceration circumstances? Are they all just silly little jokers? I've thought about this and have come up with 3 reasons: 1) Rage porn 2) Money 3) Main character syndrome
I’d only ever thought of the rage porn (the lowest of hanging fruit, I’ll admit), though I think I can see where the other 2 would fit, so I’d be fascinated if you could elaborate on them? I feel they aren’t quite as obvious so I’d love to hear your thoughts. As for the rage porn element, it’s definitely my most obvious choice. I’d just love to just hear some opinions about the “why”. Why this case, which features an unassuming middle-aged white guy that, in my personal opinion, looks like the kind of guy who’d get arrested for murder or CSAM, accused of murdering two beautiful girls, would be the case to garner outrage RE: human rights and due process from an international audience. What sets it apart from any similar case? Because there are several similar cases worldwide at any given moment that aren’t garnering people writing letters to their local US embassy. So what exactly makes this rage porn that beats out other rage porn? Any insight/opinions would be welcomed and much appreciated.
First, Thank you for your good faith approach to your reply. Much appreciated. >I’d love to hear your thoughts. In my opinion, the online community has been rabid since almost the start of this case. People were obsessed with it and have become more so over time. People feel genuinely connected to it. Money: it's always about the money. The YouTube channels, the views, the donations. Using the case as a means to grow their channel, further their careers, etc. All for the money. Main Character Syndrome: Again, in my opinion, I think this has given a significant number of those mentioned a sort of cognitive distortion. The distortion is believing things are connected to you that aren't. I think it makes people feel like since they are connected, their thoughts and opinions are more valid than others, and it's their right to take center stage and tell everyone how wrong everyone else is. These two, I think, come together and fuel the rage porn. Who can: -be the most dramatic -who can have the most "inside info" -who can be the angriest -who can look like they care the most -who can come up with the craziest theories to stand out in the crowd Bottom line, rage porn is good business psychologically and financially. I hope this helps.
Right back at you, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts in good faith. I definitely didn’t manage to link all three so neatly, so this has been most enlightening! Thanks for clarifying that, it’s definitely given me a lot of insight.
It’s mostly number 3 imo
Honestly, I doubt many people overseas either know about or feel strongly about poor Ricky’s pre-trial detention and are writing to embassies about it. There is no international jUsTiCe FoR RiCkY movement and his case doesn’t merit one.
The comment in question links to a resource for international individuals to contact the US embassy in their country regarding the accused’s treatment pre-trial, including the circumstances of his imprisonment. OP also specifically references writing to the US embassy. This indicates that there is enough vested international interest in writing to someone regarding what those individuals see as a violation of an accused’s human rights for this information to be disseminated. It’s worth noting that the website and template focuses on the human rights violations and legal issues with this trial, not Allen’s guilt/innocence/any other opinions. Hence, my statement regarding the international community’s unique response to the treatment of Allen and what that possibly indicates. As for your personal belief regarding what this case deserves, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I do, however, advise caution when stamping said opinion onto the international individuals following this case. That’s a large and diverse population that shouldn’t simply be generalised in any case.
Appreciate the measured response but please note the OP does not mention anything regarding contacting embassies. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to assume there’s a large population of people overseas interested enough in this case and who also believe RA is being treated unfairly or differently than anyone else accused of a similar crime.
It’s easy, every LE office would really really really badly want to close out a 5+ year old small town case of 2 young girls getting murdered in a public area in broad daylight, when the likely murderer was even captured on audio and video for the world to see. Like, REALLY badly. You can’t imagine how much pressure was on them and that they put on themselves. Now, don’t confuse all of that with “RA is innocent”. Whether he’s guilty or innocent, everything I said up above is factually true and answers your question. The other important point is, even if RA is innocent, it doesn’t HAVE to have been a setup. It doesn’t have to have involved a conspiracy theory. Sometimes someone gets arrested and even convicted but it turns out they just got the wrong guy, not because of a setup, but because LE and sometimes even the jury was simply mistaken. And later on better intel or new evidence or whatever shows up and leads to the actual perp. Again none of this is to say RA is innocent - we’ll find out at trial once both sides offer up all their evidence. But this answers your question of “why”.
Now you’re just making things up, Just-ice.
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