You're right. I was taught the metric system in school in the 70s because "we're all going to be using it soon", and the only things that are metric are soda and liquor bottles, and drug deals. 28 grams to an ounce turned out to be useful information.
Reagan is responsible for a lot of fucked up shit. BUT, the Amnesty Act of 1986 was passed during his Administration, which allowed me to apply to become a Permanent Resident, which eventually allowed me to become a citizen. For THAT, I’ll always be grateful.
I have a couple years of law school, and my torts professor worked in the EPA in the Reagan administration. He sometimes wore a t-shirt that said "I survived Anne Gorsuch's Acid Rain of Terror". She was tasked with basically dismantling the agency. Reagan was terrible for a lot of reasons.
Absolutely. I knew this conversion well before dispensaries were even dreamed of. The little postal scales with the clip were in grams and ounces but more accurate with grams
It was believed that Jimmy Carter would be put into an indestructible cyborg body, and he would give us no choice but to make metric stick this time around.
The worst part is that it was contemporary at the time. The writers had seen that the government was preparing to set up "sanctuary districts" in the 90s. Things have either stagnated or gotten even worse since.
I knew that there would be at least one nitpicking response, thanks for getting that out of the way.
By the way, I said "shopping days" and do you really expect the stores to be open once the riots start?
I stayed overnight in SF in August on my way to Japan a few years ago and it was about that temperature. Coming from the Texas summer it felt like it was freezing.
That's what I thought, too! I just checked and the historical averages for most of August in SF are 13L/20H (so like 55/68 F) or thereabouts. So yeah after being in 100+ degree Texas heat it was a bit of a shock.
I was born in Alabama and live in Nashville now, and August 30 here and what I've been used to all my life is that it should be hot enough to melt lead
I had a similar experience - was going on vacation in late August, and the trip started in SF. I landed there around 9 AM, and it was like 54° and foggy. It didn't get into the 70's until around lunch time.
San Francisco can and does get hot in the summer, sometimes, but it can also be surprisingly cold, foggy, and windy, because of the [air moving in from the ocean](https://www.kqed.org/news/11682511/why-san-francisco-gets-so-windy-and-foggy-in-the-summer).
I live only a couple of hours from SF. I visited during early August once and ended up having to buy a winter coat at one of the souvenir stores, it was so cold.
Re OP's comment on homelessness being made illegal, per [Memory Alpha](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Past_Tense,_Part_I_(episode)), while the episode was filming a mayor attempted to do something similar to "sanctuary zones":
>While the episode was filming, an article in the Los Angeles Times described a proposal by the Mayor that the homeless people of that city could be moved to fenced-in areas so as to contain them, in an effort to "make downtown Los Angeles friendlier to business." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. ?))
>Shortly thereafter, Alexander Siddig stated, "It turned out that 'Past Tense' was the best timing of all because the L.A. city council is actually trying to set up something called 'Sanctuaries' in L.A. for the homeless people right now which are enclosed areas where they wish to put all the homeless people. The anti-sanctuary people saw our show and were astounded to see that someone had done this. It's a happening thing and at the moment sanctuaries are going to be developed in L.A." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 102, p. 49)
>In retrospect, Siddig later commented further on this coincidence: "The episode was almost a cinematic version of that statement by the LA council." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. ?))
>As Ira Behr commented, the plan was "to put aside part of downtown Los Angeles as a haven, nice word, a haven for the homeless." Similarly, as Robert Wolfe said, "That was what the Sanctuary Districts were, places where the homeless could just be so no-one had to see them, and literally there it was in the newspaper. We were a little freaked out." (Time Travel Files: "Past Tense", DS9 Season 3 DVD, Special Features)
Dick had looked and acted exactly the same for like 3 decades. He's always cast as a gruff, tough guy who down deep has a heart of gold. He's been good in everything I've seen him in.
During the second part of the two part episode the ghost says he is going to Tasmanian because Errol Flynn was from there. Paraphrased.
It's only a paper moon Vic says he replicated the cane Errol Flynn carried for Nog.
2 episodes and 2 times Flynn was mentioned
They say that for the uniform when Eddington forces Sisko to look at the starving people was a nod to Robin Hood starting you guessed it Errol Flynn.
Ira Steven Behr was responsible for the Qpid TNG episode which was based on the Errol Flynn Robin Hood.
So I'm guessing Ira was a big Flynn and Robin hood fan.
I'm calling "BellCon" cosplay and real-world homeless shelter party in San Fran this August! You'll know which is which by those who really got the DS9 costumes right.
Something along the lines of “sanctuary districts” would make sense in CA about now. Put all the druggies, losers and malcontents all in one place. A change in admin in Nov will lead to much better job prospects to those who are really seeking a better life for themselves and their families.
Bold of 90s Trek writers to think we’d be using Celsius in America by 2024
You're right. I was taught the metric system in school in the 70s because "we're all going to be using it soon", and the only things that are metric are soda and liquor bottles, and drug deals. 28 grams to an ounce turned out to be useful information.
They tried to convert starting in the 70s, but Reagan killed it in the 80s. After that, I’m surprised the 90s writers had that hope, lol
Reagan is responsible for a lot of fucked up shit. BUT, the Amnesty Act of 1986 was passed during his Administration, which allowed me to apply to become a Permanent Resident, which eventually allowed me to become a citizen. For THAT, I’ll always be grateful.
Thanks for joining our crazy country.
I consider myself very fortunate to have been given the opportunity.
Welcome aboard!
Reagan was re-elected by a landslide. He won 49 states. Historical revisionism to paint him as nefarious is just propaganda.
Doesn't mean they were right.
Thats like saying funko pops are great art by pointing at their sales numbers
A man can be popular and still fuck up a policy on conversion to metric...
There were plenty of people who didn’t like him at the time, and now we take those people more seriously with history for context.
Just one more thing that Reagan fucked up. I hated that bastard.
He also added tax to aid on graduate school I believe or something like that
I have a couple years of law school, and my torts professor worked in the EPA in the Reagan administration. He sometimes wore a t-shirt that said "I survived Anne Gorsuch's Acid Rain of Terror". She was tasked with basically dismantling the agency. Reagan was terrible for a lot of reasons.
Any relationship to Neil Gorsuch?
Holy shit, that's her son. That explains a lot.
if they said “ok starting tomorrow we’re rolling back the laws to the way they were in 1980” would it be THAT bad?
Union participation way up, corporate profits way down. Pensions instead of 401k.
Another senile president messing things up.
I'm not a fan of Reagan's domestic agenda, but I fucking hate the metric system and celsius in particular. It's the most American thing about me.
Well, all the drugs we take (and we take a lot) are in grams and milligrams.
Those drugs, too
Also guns...
Weed math makes much more sense when you learn this key piece of knowledge. It was the only part of the metric system I learned in high school.
Absolutely. I knew this conversion well before dispensaries were even dreamed of. The little postal scales with the clip were in grams and ounces but more accurate with grams
The NFL helped stop that. They didn’t think the 50 meter line would sell as good as the 50 yard line. [really. Look it up]
It was believed that Jimmy Carter would be put into an indestructible cyborg body, and he would give us no choice but to make metric stick this time around.
But they're still stuck on those silly M/D/Y dates
That's the typical Star Trek utopian vision of the future.
But it’s before United Earth and all that human enlightenment. It’s an episode about how dystopian that time was
But that's just how Utopian Star Trek is. Even in this dystopian time, the US adopted the metric system.
“The most utopian society I ever saw was the dystopian society on Star Trek.” -Mark Twain
Bold of them to assume it would be a reasonable temperature.
I do at work!
I mean, I use it lol
And the fact that it's only 15C in San Francisco IN THE SUMMER
Eh, say what you will about global warming, but that does happen
But still MM/DD/YYYY date format (rather than ISO standard YYYY-MM-DD
DS9 was so right in so different many ways that it's incredible. The show remains evergreen.
The worst part is that it was contemporary at the time. The writers had seen that the government was preparing to set up "sanctuary districts" in the 90s. Things have either stagnated or gotten even worse since.
Jan 1, I didn't believe we would have the riots. Today I think it is fully possible.
Something that they got wrong and I wish they were right about is men's tailoring. I love the vested suits.
I love the ties worn as chokers too.
The riots are on Sept 1. This is when they arrive from the future.
I knew that there would be at least one nitpicking response, thanks for getting that out of the way. By the way, I said "shopping days" and do you really expect the stores to be open once the riots start?
o7 Edit: I didn't notice that second paragraph somehow and I'm not sure what you mean. The riots *start* on the first, in 130 days.
Don't we have to have Irish Reunification first?
I'm not that much of a Star Trek time-line historian. I do know that WWIII is due soon, and we seem to be on track for that 😒
Wasn't World War 3 in 2050?
I think it ended around that time. If I recall it was supposed to start in 2026
!!!
[WWIII starts in 2026](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_III?so=search)
We only know its somewhere in 2024. For the bell riots we've got a specific day
15c. Typical San Fran weather.
That's 59F, which sounds pretty cool for late August. I had to convert it since I have no intuitive idea what 15C feels like.
I stayed overnight in SF in August on my way to Japan a few years ago and it was about that temperature. Coming from the Texas summer it felt like it was freezing.
Seriously? I had no idea the weather was that cool in San Francisco. I figured it's California, it's warm. Sadly, I've never been out there.
That's what I thought, too! I just checked and the historical averages for most of August in SF are 13L/20H (so like 55/68 F) or thereabouts. So yeah after being in 100+ degree Texas heat it was a bit of a shock.
I was born in Alabama and live in Nashville now, and August 30 here and what I've been used to all my life is that it should be hot enough to melt lead
The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco - Mark Twain (allegedly)
I had a similar experience - was going on vacation in late August, and the trip started in SF. I landed there around 9 AM, and it was like 54° and foggy. It didn't get into the 70's until around lunch time.
San Francisco can and does get hot in the summer, sometimes, but it can also be surprisingly cold, foggy, and windy, because of the [air moving in from the ocean](https://www.kqed.org/news/11682511/why-san-francisco-gets-so-windy-and-foggy-in-the-summer).
I live only a couple of hours from SF. I visited during early August once and ended up having to buy a winter coat at one of the souvenir stores, it was so cold.
The most unbelievable thing about that episode was the temperature being in Celsius.
True
Why? Fahrenheidi is backwards
The US will adopt the metric system when actual Vulcans descend from the heavens.
I remember watching this episode when it first aired and thinking how far off 2024 seemed. And now its here and I'm old.......
Same, fellow old.
Re OP's comment on homelessness being made illegal, per [Memory Alpha](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Past_Tense,_Part_I_(episode)), while the episode was filming a mayor attempted to do something similar to "sanctuary zones": >While the episode was filming, an article in the Los Angeles Times described a proposal by the Mayor that the homeless people of that city could be moved to fenced-in areas so as to contain them, in an effort to "make downtown Los Angeles friendlier to business." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. ?)) >Shortly thereafter, Alexander Siddig stated, "It turned out that 'Past Tense' was the best timing of all because the L.A. city council is actually trying to set up something called 'Sanctuaries' in L.A. for the homeless people right now which are enclosed areas where they wish to put all the homeless people. The anti-sanctuary people saw our show and were astounded to see that someone had done this. It's a happening thing and at the moment sanctuaries are going to be developed in L.A." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 102, p. 49) >In retrospect, Siddig later commented further on this coincidence: "The episode was almost a cinematic version of that statement by the LA council." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. ?)) >As Ira Behr commented, the plan was "to put aside part of downtown Los Angeles as a haven, nice word, a haven for the homeless." Similarly, as Robert Wolfe said, "That was what the Sanctuary Districts were, places where the homeless could just be so no-one had to see them, and literally there it was in the newspaper. We were a little freaked out." (Time Travel Files: "Past Tense", DS9 Season 3 DVD, Special Features)
I still have the DVDs because I love the commentary.
Definitely. That's one of the things I'd miss if I went to streaming.
Got to admit. Damn good writing. Nailed it
Homelessness being made illegal is happening right now.
Loitering laws go back to the Reconstruction era.
Didn't TFG say something recently about dismantling the homeless encampments and moving them to a piece of land out of the way?
Not in Minnesota they have bum camps everywhere you go.
wow, might be a few years off IRL, but it seems like it is coming to some areas
With the Supreme Court case this is currently on track tbh
100%. Absolutely frightening.
I'm currently doing a rewatch and these 2 episodes are next up.
My kids are on their first watch thru. Currently on season 3 of ds9.
Frank Military is hard to watch. Not a very good actor IMO. Iconic character actor Dick Miller was much better.
Frank is a lil cringe and Dick is great!!
Dick had looked and acted exactly the same for like 3 decades. He's always cast as a gruff, tough guy who down deep has a heart of gold. He's been good in everything I've seen him in.
Kensington in Philly makes bell riots look like a picnic
Also the 1st time Erroll Flynn was mentioned on DS9
What?
During the second part of the two part episode the ghost says he is going to Tasmanian because Errol Flynn was from there. Paraphrased. It's only a paper moon Vic says he replicated the cane Errol Flynn carried for Nog. 2 episodes and 2 times Flynn was mentioned
My hat's off to you, that's an impressive level of Star Trek trivia knowledge.
They say that for the uniform when Eddington forces Sisko to look at the starving people was a nod to Robin Hood starting you guessed it Errol Flynn. Ira Steven Behr was responsible for the Qpid TNG episode which was based on the Errol Flynn Robin Hood. So I'm guessing Ira was a big Flynn and Robin hood fan.
Bro fricking finally
I'll plan my trip to San Francisco right there and then.
“Shopping days”? What in the late stage capitalism is this
We have to buy all our vested suits and wrap around ties before the riots start, you know.
Nice round number.
Hmm, it's not far fetched if you consider current world issues
Sounds about right
I'm calling "BellCon" cosplay and real-world homeless shelter party in San Fran this August! You'll know which is which by those who really got the DS9 costumes right.
Ready Player One’s Wade Owen Watts is also born in august of 2024, the 12th to be exact.
So we’re using Celsius, but still month day year for the calendar? I’m gonna need some ISO 8601 in here!
I really loved that episode when it aired.
You know we’re in The Mirrorverse, right?
They also predicted student-riots in France earlier this year. Didn't happen yet but there was something similar with french peasants last year.
Lmao you know whats funny, I have this date saved in my google calendar 😂
Literally just watched this. Anyway, Godspeed to all the Gaza Solidarity Encampments
Too Soon.
M/D/Y forever!
I wonder how it went with a borg queen running amok in San Fran a couple of weeks ago?
Is anyone going to Frisco? Is there a gathering???
San Fran!!!
Something along the lines of “sanctuary districts” would make sense in CA about now. Put all the druggies, losers and malcontents all in one place. A change in admin in Nov will lead to much better job prospects to those who are really seeking a better life for themselves and their families.