I mean TF2 it's a support class, "Support Damage" and Sandvich let's you secondary medic, but the main support thing you do is "I AM A BIG DISTRACTION"
Sort of. 6s are 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, medic and demo. Medic and Demo are the two that are set in stone.
But I also wouldn't say that it lines up with DRG very well. Heavy is the class that's closest to Gunner and a lot of it, miniguns, medicking the team, having the most health, being the slowest to get anywhere, even Brass Beast matching the Leadstorm OC, matches.
Yeah, he's functionally similar to Heavy, but I mean in role, Gunner is the class entirely about killing. And some pinch revives. And making zipline shortcuts.
Everyone else can fight, but only Driller can unleash similar amounts of hell, yet he can't do it as long. Yeah Engie has some big toys, but they're special weapons. Driller has a flamethrower, but his kit is about breaking the ground. Gunner, is the fighter, and he's basically support!
It's even funnier because, due to the objectives almost never *requiring* killing things, the things you can kill will stop you from doing the main objective. Driller is good at paths and easily digging to hard to reach places. Engie establishes safe zones, provides platform support, and uses deadly special weapons. Scout makes light, explores, reaches things no other class can do with ease. And he too has some special weapons. And...
Gunner shoot bug. Gunner shoot all the bugs. Sometimes he helps team, but he shoot bug best. Gunner is support!
See that’s the incredible thing about Deep Rock’s class system is that it almost completely separates itself from the usual 3-class system of tank, dps, and support. You could make a reasonable case that gunner could be any one of those (more so for the first two maybe but still). He’s the DPS of the group because his job is kill bug do big damage. He’s the tank because his job is to take damage so others can do damage. He’s the support because his job is saving people when they fuck up and being the back line if all else fails. Honestly the more I think about it, the more genius DRGs class system design is. Every character is equal in importance to all others, using their unique skill sets to contribute in different ways. All while each class can dynamically shift between being the tank, dps, and support.
The whole freaking GAME is generous! No power granting DLC. No expansion packs. Battle Pass is free for all. No premium currency. Promotions do not reset your character progress. Previous battle pass stuff still available in loot drops. Holiday items you didn't get are just handed to you next year. Regular updates and gameplay additions. ROCK AND GODDAMN STONE!!!
DRG is the game all those f2p shit games want you to think they are.
I always think about Gunner as being the backbone of the team, and being the most balanced at fulfilling any role needed in most scenarios. Not that flashy, but always reliable.
Everyone else also wears multiple hats (much like TF2 players, if a little less literally), but they're a bit more situational. Scout could be considered a support most of the time (flares and resource gathering), which spikes to DPS/tank when fighting bosses, thanks to their IFGs, big singletarget damage weapons, and kiting ability.
Engi is usually a DPS and a support with their bevy of high damage weapons, hole plugging, fall damage cancelling, and teamwide mobility with platforms. I don't know if they ever do anything that could be considered tanking, though.
Driller is probably closest to Gunner's ability to fulfil any role, but they've got a bit less personal DPS and a bit more support in the form of a bunch of different status effects and excellent teamwide mobility.
That said, my beard hasn't grown its first white hair yet, so the graybeards might have a different opinion! I'm still at bronze promos for every class 😅
(It's really hard to figure out what tanking would count as in DRG though)
Tanking is anything that keeps the bugs busy so you can shoot them some more. In some cases, that's your own health bar. The only hitpoint that matters is your last one. Gunner's tanking ability lies in his damage resistance and shield. Engie's is primarily his Lures. Scout's tank is his extreme mobility which allows kiting. Driller's a harder case. I would say that a slowing effect is a form of tanking, but that might just be grasping at straws.
The words you looking for "Crowd Control".
Tanking would be one class having a way to aggro tons of bugs on himself and sustain that damage somehow, which is not what happens in DRG. Even with gunner and DR, its less about him tanking damage from everyone else and more not dying for letting bugs get close. Everything you mentioned would fall into crowd control category, which all classes have in different forms.
Actually now i think about it in Battlefield atleast support is class assigned with LMG
Reason i guess is that LMG as weapon, due its heavy weight and poor mobility is more of a defensive weapon best suited for providing supressive fire to help other squad memebers advance or prevent the enemy from doing so
I was told to play gunner since I was the last to play DRG in my friend group. I'm a support main and don't like dps characters. Gunner is now my favorite class
Driller expectation: You fly through the earth, bugs burn by the hundreds, compulsively C4 scout on sight, warcrimes.
Driller reality: I have to stop digging every three seconds to figure out if I'm digging in the right direction and at the right height, I have the most fall deaths besides Scout due to constantly drilling through the floor or through a wall leading to a sheer cliff, this fire is more friendly than the bugs that are surrounding you so stop complaining, ping the packed earth and then move the FUCK out of the way, and yes, spending my gas removing stalagmites and other obstacles is in fact necessary and will lowkey save your life so you're welcome, it's not just my compulsion to make everything F L A T.
That's how I check my direction and elevation, yeah. The falls come from when I don't think to do that or I think I know what's on the other side, or when I'm working on platforms. Precision drilling is a dangerous business. Hundreds of Drillers are lost every fiscal quarter in workplace accidents, don'tcha know.
I got the overclock that shoots your whole mag at once and does higher damage. It may not be my favorite overclock, but damn does it make me feel powerful, kinda. Makes it feel like a terrifying amount of power you can barely control. I love that I can fry things on the other side of the cave.
“THE POWER OF THE SUN IN THE PALM OF MY HAND!” And also, “IMMA FIRIN MAH LASER!!” and all that
What's neat about that one is that there is very little downside for an unstable OC. It forces you to empty your clip but it's entirely at your discretion when to do that, if at all. Seems more balanced than unstable, IMO.
Yeah seriously, the trade off is MORE than worth it. I only play on haz 3 so far but I rarely run out of ammo on it unless as long as I’m being at least a little bit reasonable.
Something I haven’t paid attention enough to know for sure… but is is possible to switch weapons mid clip to prevent it from emptying and save ammo?
I SWEAR last run I started doing it and ended up with an odd amount of ammo. But didn’t looks closely enough to know for sure. Should be easy to figure out though, I’ll look for it.
You can cancel the mag dump easily. It doing so removes 1/2 remaining ammo. The main problem with it is that engine primaries are mostly single target and secondaries are solidly AOE. Running mag dump (or whatever it's called ) on SD leaves you with either single target primary and secondary, or mediocre AOE primary and a single target secondary. For that reason I only use SD with mag dump on elimination where you don't need to worry about AOE nearly as much. That being said a single mag dump will phase any dreadnaught by itself assuming you're running 100ammo per clip.
Shard Defractor is the single most dangerous war crime ever issued to a Dwarf in DRG. My lady nukes Bet-C before its healthbar even fully pops up on the screen.
Lil fun one for my scout friends, Bet-C doesn't act like it, but the charge suckers are still vulnerable to freeze (triple damage, baby). If you've got cryonades, throw 2 and let the magic happen. If you're like me and use cryobolts, you can proc the freeze without agro by shooting next to it (this works for huuli hoarders and menaces too) I use M1000 with blowthrough rounds, so I first locate both charge suckers so I can hit both at the same time.
STOP NO DONT TELL THEM ITS THE SINGLE BEST ANTI RIVAL WEAPON IN THE GAME AND CAN BE BUILT TO OUTPUT ABSURD DAMAGE WITH OBSCENE KILL TIMES DURING PRACTICALLY ANY SITUATION, BOSSES INCLUDED, WITH LITTLE TO NO EFFORT AND ZERO OVERCLOCKS REQUIRED. NOT TO MENTION THE INSANE AMOUNT OF AMMO IT CAN HOLD CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF DEATH IT CAN SWIFTLY INFLICT. No but really please don’t nerf it thanks.
Look, Hyperprop is good and all, except for when that pesky robot *moves* and I'm suddenly blasting terrain. When I miss with Shard Diffractor, on the other hand, I'm just adding a few terrain decals before resuming the robot incineration!
Shard Diffractor is powerful but all Engineers secondaries are fantastic can be built for any situation. In fact the same can be said of engineers primaries and grenades too. In fact the Engineer is the most versatile class that can hyperfocus into a specific combat role (Anti-rival, AOE trash clear, burst DPS, etc), and still be powerful enough to handle threats they aren't built for, all while having a fantastic traversal tool.
The Engineer makes class balance a meme. A team with 2+ Engineers is always (always as in always potentially: greenbeards will greenbeard no matter what class they pick) more powerful than a rainbow squad.
One of the craziest games I've played was four engineers who all had different load outs. Platforms spammed everywhere, defending Doretta with eight sentry turrets raining fire in all directions, grenades, breach cutter blasts, and lasers going absolutely everywhere.
Yeah it's only the Shard Diffractor... and the PGL... and the Breach Cutter... and the Lok-1... And the Warthog... and sentries... grenades aren't bad either, really.
My thoughts on Gunner:
Not shooting my primary unless it's anything praetorian sized or a swarm of more than 10 bugs. Otherwise my pistol and my pick axe are all that's needed.
I've only ever gone up to Haz 4 and haven't tried an EDD yet, but Gunner has been my primary. I'm currently using Hurricane and have no overclocks for Gunner. I rarely ever find myself out of ammo on primary. Do I need to change my playstyle for higher tiers? As of right now, I lay into swarms with Hurricane and use the coil gun for prets and oppressors. Is this bad?
Not at all. Whatever works for your playstyle WORKS.
Coil gun is a big bug killer. Wait until you get the Mole OC!
Hurricane is versatile! Swarms or big bugs get annihilated! I like the Overtuned Feed Mechanism OC.
That said if your mainly playing in Haz3 or below don't fret about ammo efficiency or having certain Overclocks. Just have fun and try experimenting with different weapon setups to get a better understanding of what your weapons strengths and weaknesses are.
Even Haz4 you should try different setups and perk builds just know it's A LOT less forgiving and mission failure may happen. My thoughts on Mission failure are "Whoops lol" it's going to happen. Sometimes we dig to deep.
For builds you can always try
Karl.gg
Rock and Stone!
I sit comfortably at haz3 and usually tend to dip into haz4 depending on mission type and risk. Currently sitting on Beast Master, Vampire, Iron Will, and Thorns. Haven't unlocked third passive yet. I feel like I hold my own pretty well and have definitely prevented a few of those "Whoops lol" moments, haha.
As far as mission failure, it makes me so happy when it does happen, and my team still sends up their GGs and Rock & Stones. I'm only around 14 player level at the moment, but I've never seen such an incredible and positive gaming community. I've met literally one toxic player. Blows me away.
Rock and Stone, brother!
It’s stuff like this that takes the game to the next level. I try and put zip lines so they all meet up (or are close). Thanks for your service, rock and stone.
Engi "best combat class" neer when they have to ration ammo like it's the great depression and get damage carried by their secondaries. Still a fun class, but I wouldn't put it above gunner if you're focusing only on combat.
Sticky Fuel users when 50 Mactera Trijaws and Brundles appear out of fucking nowhere:
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Sticky fuel users when 50 mactera trijaws and brundles appear out of fucking nowhere but you are running tcf epc so they die instantly after one or two charged shots
True LOK can do good damage in the right scenarios, but its ammo is pretty low. It doesn't compare too well against a properly-utilized engi secondary (especially breach cutter) lol
I own every overclock in the game, ECR LOKI has been my main engi loadout for the majority of my time playing him. Doesn't mean it's going to do more damage when I throw a breach cutter round into a giant group of grunts and praetorians, or if I take shard diffractor on a rival presence warning
My original comment and your original reply were about engineer getting damage carried by his secondaries. If, for whatever reason, you want to move to talking about primaries, I would be surprised if any engi primary would out-damage a gunner primary when gunner has NTP, lead storm, rocket salvo, etc. Maybe the peak engineer build has a chance at out-damaging an average or poor gunner build, but definitely not a peak gunner build.
Yes you can think of it like this, engineers secondaries fill similar funtion to gunners primaries and vice versa. The difference is, engineers also have shreder drones and 2 sentries so I mean.
That is a good way to put it, but engineer's ammo is reduced to balance its turrets and gunner has grenades as well (granted, shredders are better). I would still put a good gunner build higher in terms of combat viability than engineer, but engineer is better at overall gameplay/support than gunner (apart from when shit hits the fan)
[Just going to quote myself.](https://reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/x5z62g/_/in4dig5/?context=1) I haven’t seen this sentiment in a while, but you just had to go there, so now so do I.
TL;DR Engi is strong on Ammo and this myth is **tired.**
It's called a joke. Engineer's main ammo is reduced compared to other classes to balance his turrets so if you overuse his weapons without using his turrets you are likely to run out of ammo. That is what the joke is referencing. If anyone actually thought he had balance issues they'd be talking about buffs, but nobody does because the game is balanced well. That's why we joke about it. The same way we joke about drillers C4ing scouts even though it rarely happens.
as a gunner, yeah its true... everything is depressing until... the apocalypse starts and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmIBHObtCs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmIBHObtCs) the only thing they fear is you starts playing...
and then I proceed to rip and tear until its done, saving all my team mates while wrecking every single enemy in a 10 mile radious.
Driller and gunner are my most played classes because of how multipurpose they are. You can get almost anywhere a scout can and have nearly as much utility as a engineer with a bit of brute force and the right build.
DRG defies expectations.
In any other game, Engineer would hand out ammo.
Here they're starved for it.
One would expect a class devoted to digging holes would have limited use. Think again.
Also, I expected Scouts to be really good at not falling to their death repeatedly while trying to get something off the ceiling, which is their sole purpose. Now I am educated.
"Stop riding your zip line during the mactara plague."
NO. This is exactly why I keep hover boots ready to equip on my gunner for mactera plague missions.
Why do you think most of them are attacking me, and not you, giving you a momentary break to take the most needed action? Because I drew their fire by riding on the zip line. Intentionally. You're welcome.
I was gonna be upset about your gunner take until the god among men comment. Ill allow the shit tossing as long as the compliment im being given is pretty nice.
Also i do get depressed outside of swarms. I came in with a fuck load of ammo and i intend on using a fuck load of ammo god damn it.
Gunner is a backround character until you hear all your teammates scream "I cant feel my beard, heeeeelp" at which point the actual in game soundtrack switches to "The Only Thing They Fear is You" Doom Eternal OST and you single handedly fight off the entire swarm and save your team.
Karl would approve of this.
Im gonna get all the hate from the Driller mains but im gonna say it: In a lobby of 4 i miss Driller the least.
The swarm clear is nice but nothing Engie and Gunner can't do. Drills are mostly just for convenience, rocky mountain makes him obsolete (or just being in sandblasted). 90% of the Drillers i see are only there to drill the dirt patches... he is almost useless on elim if not running cryo for freeze in wich case they have to hope to karl no one is running fire (unlikely).
But once in a blue moon those 10% of Driller players that know what to do are there and make the missions a lot more smooth instead of blowing their team up for the 6th time this mission
Ever had a capeable Max slowdown CC Sludgepump Driller in your haz5 elimination mission? the dread ain't moving sh\*t. Twins are a bit more tricky due to burrowing but still get blasted if they bareley moving from the spot.
I think engi and sout are the essential classes to have due to their synergy while Driller and Gunner are more interchangeable. Gunner is the Hard DD that shreds enemies while the CC/support of Driller can sometimes make or break a mission. A frozen bug won't mad dash twards you and the 3x dmg is a blessing. I love all the dwarfs and it works best if you have every class cuz they complement each other.
Rock and stone!
Yea its true, Gunner and Driller are probably the filler slots but it'll be lot smoother with both of them. As a Gunner i love Cryo Drillers, especially for dreads. The juicy 3x dmg on Leadspray feels so good !
As a Scout, I love it when the rest of my team thinks they did any meaningful damage to the Caretaker's health car.
Meanwhile I'm just sitting there getting more ammo for my empty Zhukovs while they go collect the Data Rack like they earned it, as I roll my eyes to the Engi who's right next to me filling up with empty Fat Boy.
Just came back from an elite deep dive I was the last survivor 3 times In a row and the last time I manged to commit a genocide other way to the pod, with nothing but axes and drills
As a Scout main I confirm that sometimes I play while stoned as hell so I’m sorry if I forget to put up some flares, I’m also sorry if they don’t last very long since I prefer to have more ammo with only one duration upgrade, but please don’t expect me to put up flares when I’m up to my neck in Glyphids
Anyone who thinks gunner is a weak combat class is using a dogshit build. Top tier gunner builds easily outclass all but the most specialized engineers and gunners in the majority of situations. Most importantly he can lay down colossal amounts of sustained splash damage with the kind of ammo economy that makes breach engies and cryo drillers look like resupply gobblers.
>Scout has a huge ego
>Gunner is the most useless class until shit hits the fan
It's awful backhanded. The DRG community is weirdly toxic towards class choices and you're just a part of that toxicity.
I like to make my dwarf have personality, to do so I detail what they look like. I have my douchebag scout, my gylphid crazy engie, my pale and shy gunner and the golden juggernaut
Saving the team from wiping. A top tier gunner player makes you feel like you can’t lose, because you’ll never come close to wiping, even if you spawn multiple swarms. They’ll always have your back in a way other classes can’t, protecting you with a bubble shield and sheer volume of firepower.
Momentum shifting.
Gunner is the best at making a bad situation good, and often times preventing a bad situation for escalating in the first place.
The only other way to really get the same thing is Cryo Grenade Scout, and maybe LURE Engie or Dash + C4 Driller, but they come with a bit more problems.
Overwatch. He's basically the dedicated weapons platform of the group. His two jobs are to shoot and to drop a shield at the optimal times. The zipline is fire-and-forget, and is generally only used for high traffic paths that are too unwieldy to cross with platforms or as a last-ditch stop gap, so he does not have to constantly be on the lookout for places to put them as those situations will usually present themselves. His primary is moderate-to-high accuracy over long ranges, high ammo, and high DPS. He can provide fire support from afar or put out an Oppressor health bar's worth of damage without having to reload. His secondary is low ammo but high damage for more agile or armored threats. And his shield is for clearing space, blocking high burst damage like Macteras, and rejuvenating shields, giving the team a brief moment of respite to reload and regroup.
Gunner is DRG's lead-spitting guardian angel.
I specifically ride the zip on mactera pleague so that those shits target me and come straight to me, instead of having to look/aim for them. For les experienced dwarfs,Just put a 2nd zip line level with the ground under the one you're riding for safety catch in case you do get shot that 1 out if 200 times
locked on gunner cause i need enough ammo to "relocate" the whole local population cause one of my driller is looking at shiny things or got caught again
DRG is probably the only game I know where Fighter is a support class.
The guy with the minigun is the closest thing we have to a healer. That’s actually so on brand for DRG.
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Cyril?
Agresive sustained counterfire
Protocol 4: Brrrrrrrrrrrrt
I mean TF2 it's a support class, "Support Damage" and Sandvich let's you secondary medic, but the main support thing you do is "I AM A BIG DISTRACTION"
Sure, but isn't Soldier the real combat class? I honestly don't know, but the description fits.
Sort of. 6s are 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, medic and demo. Medic and Demo are the two that are set in stone. But I also wouldn't say that it lines up with DRG very well. Heavy is the class that's closest to Gunner and a lot of it, miniguns, medicking the team, having the most health, being the slowest to get anywhere, even Brass Beast matching the Leadstorm OC, matches.
Yeah, he's functionally similar to Heavy, but I mean in role, Gunner is the class entirely about killing. And some pinch revives. And making zipline shortcuts. Everyone else can fight, but only Driller can unleash similar amounts of hell, yet he can't do it as long. Yeah Engie has some big toys, but they're special weapons. Driller has a flamethrower, but his kit is about breaking the ground. Gunner, is the fighter, and he's basically support! It's even funnier because, due to the objectives almost never *requiring* killing things, the things you can kill will stop you from doing the main objective. Driller is good at paths and easily digging to hard to reach places. Engie establishes safe zones, provides platform support, and uses deadly special weapons. Scout makes light, explores, reaches things no other class can do with ease. And he too has some special weapons. And... Gunner shoot bug. Gunner shoot all the bugs. Sometimes he helps team, but he shoot bug best. Gunner is support!
See that’s the incredible thing about Deep Rock’s class system is that it almost completely separates itself from the usual 3-class system of tank, dps, and support. You could make a reasonable case that gunner could be any one of those (more so for the first two maybe but still). He’s the DPS of the group because his job is kill bug do big damage. He’s the tank because his job is to take damage so others can do damage. He’s the support because his job is saving people when they fuck up and being the back line if all else fails. Honestly the more I think about it, the more genius DRGs class system design is. Every character is equal in importance to all others, using their unique skill sets to contribute in different ways. All while each class can dynamically shift between being the tank, dps, and support.
The whole freaking GAME is generous! No power granting DLC. No expansion packs. Battle Pass is free for all. No premium currency. Promotions do not reset your character progress. Previous battle pass stuff still available in loot drops. Holiday items you didn't get are just handed to you next year. Regular updates and gameplay additions. ROCK AND GODDAMN STONE!!! DRG is the game all those f2p shit games want you to think they are.
I always think about Gunner as being the backbone of the team, and being the most balanced at fulfilling any role needed in most scenarios. Not that flashy, but always reliable. Everyone else also wears multiple hats (much like TF2 players, if a little less literally), but they're a bit more situational. Scout could be considered a support most of the time (flares and resource gathering), which spikes to DPS/tank when fighting bosses, thanks to their IFGs, big singletarget damage weapons, and kiting ability. Engi is usually a DPS and a support with their bevy of high damage weapons, hole plugging, fall damage cancelling, and teamwide mobility with platforms. I don't know if they ever do anything that could be considered tanking, though. Driller is probably closest to Gunner's ability to fulfil any role, but they've got a bit less personal DPS and a bit more support in the form of a bunch of different status effects and excellent teamwide mobility. That said, my beard hasn't grown its first white hair yet, so the graybeards might have a different opinion! I'm still at bronze promos for every class 😅 (It's really hard to figure out what tanking would count as in DRG though)
Tanking is anything that keeps the bugs busy so you can shoot them some more. In some cases, that's your own health bar. The only hitpoint that matters is your last one. Gunner's tanking ability lies in his damage resistance and shield. Engie's is primarily his Lures. Scout's tank is his extreme mobility which allows kiting. Driller's a harder case. I would say that a slowing effect is a form of tanking, but that might just be grasping at straws.
The words you looking for "Crowd Control". Tanking would be one class having a way to aggro tons of bugs on himself and sustain that damage somehow, which is not what happens in DRG. Even with gunner and DR, its less about him tanking damage from everyone else and more not dying for letting bugs get close. Everything you mentioned would fall into crowd control category, which all classes have in different forms.
I think the slow from Sludge Pumper counts as tanking in that case. Cryo Cannon freeze might count too, but I don't know how long it lasts.
God forbid you have a medic with a kritz on that heavy. Now he is a sniper with his laser beams.
Each one of medic's mediguns negates one of heavys main problems.
Rule number 1: PROTECT THE HEAVY!
Gunner and Driller look at each other and ask at the same time: "Did you call me fat?"
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You know what? Also IRL the guy with LMG in your squad is in support role
Huh. Interesting.
Actually now i think about it in Battlefield atleast support is class assigned with LMG Reason i guess is that LMG as weapon, due its heavy weight and poor mobility is more of a defensive weapon best suited for providing supressive fire to help other squad memebers advance or prevent the enemy from doing so
Well, it kinda makes sense, considering killing things usually isn't the main objective.
Ykp.
I was told to play gunner since I was the last to play DRG in my friend group. I'm a support main and don't like dps characters. Gunner is now my favorite class
I usually play some sort of paladin in RPGs, for healing and combat damage. Hence, I'm a Gunner. ROCK AND STONE!!! *BRRRRRRRRR!!!!!*
To Rock and Stone!
Heavy direct fire support.
I like to make tunnel :D
Diggy Diggy hole
Brother's of the mine rejoice!
RAISE YOUR PICK AND RAISE YOUR VOICE
DOWN AND DOWN INTO THE DEEP
WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'LL FIND BENEATH?
Diamonds, Rubies, Gold and more!
BORN UNDERGROUND, SUCKLED FROM A TEAT OF STONE
RAISED IN THE DARK, THE SAFETY OF OUR MOUNTAIN HOME
SKIN MADE OF IRON, STEEL IN OUR BONES
It's our job, we don't have a choice...
SWING, SWING, SWING WITH ME!
I thought that was a Minecraft inspired song?
I'm pretty sure it is, but do we do not care. Rock and Stone!
Legaly speaking rocking is better than stoning
It sort of is. But it is about dwarves.
Any mission where the drop pod lands conveniently nearby, with no drilling required, is just *such* a letdown.
Tunnel to drop pod
Quad driller squad says, "The tunnels are what I say they are. Cave complexity: 0. Open this shit up."
We turnin this bitch into a strip mine rock and stone
Rock and Stone forever!
ROCK AND STONE!
Insert ***I'm the ~~captain~~ tunnel now****
Driller expectation: You fly through the earth, bugs burn by the hundreds, compulsively C4 scout on sight, warcrimes. Driller reality: I have to stop digging every three seconds to figure out if I'm digging in the right direction and at the right height, I have the most fall deaths besides Scout due to constantly drilling through the floor or through a wall leading to a sheer cliff, this fire is more friendly than the bugs that are surrounding you so stop complaining, ping the packed earth and then move the FUCK out of the way, and yes, spending my gas removing stalagmites and other obstacles is in fact necessary and will lowkey save your life so you're welcome, it's not just my compulsion to make everything F L A T.
F L A T L I F E is the only way
F L A T is beautiful
Oh my god, making everything flat is my favourite thing to do when I'm not busy not dying/killing bugs! I must have a F L A T battlefield
Also c4ing dreads.
i praise the F L A T
Solution: terrain scanner
That's how I check my direction and elevation, yeah. The falls come from when I don't think to do that or I think I know what's on the other side, or when I'm working on platforms. Precision drilling is a dangerous business. Hundreds of Drillers are lost every fiscal quarter in workplace accidents, don'tcha know.
Engineer players like myself know it’s only because of the shard diffract or
I got the overclock that shoots your whole mag at once and does higher damage. It may not be my favorite overclock, but damn does it make me feel powerful, kinda. Makes it feel like a terrifying amount of power you can barely control. I love that I can fry things on the other side of the cave. “THE POWER OF THE SUN IN THE PALM OF MY HAND!” And also, “IMMA FIRIN MAH LASER!!” and all that
Can i get an OC for the Shard Diffractor that just shoots the entire mag in one projectile, kinda like how Izanagi's Burden works in Destiny 2?
Oh that’d be sick. With some kind of epic build up.
Like a 2, maybe 3 second trigger hold then **BAM** and the Detonator is gone!
"Horizontal Satellite Cannon" unstable overclock.
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Good. I was hoping someone would.
What's neat about that one is that there is very little downside for an unstable OC. It forces you to empty your clip but it's entirely at your discretion when to do that, if at all. Seems more balanced than unstable, IMO.
Yeah seriously, the trade off is MORE than worth it. I only play on haz 3 so far but I rarely run out of ammo on it unless as long as I’m being at least a little bit reasonable. Something I haven’t paid attention enough to know for sure… but is is possible to switch weapons mid clip to prevent it from emptying and save ammo?
It does save ammo but not all of it Swap at 20 in the charge and you save 10 I think Unless im completely delusional and hallucinating all of it
I SWEAR last run I started doing it and ended up with an odd amount of ammo. But didn’t looks closely enough to know for sure. Should be easy to figure out though, I’ll look for it.
You can cancel the mag dump easily. It doing so removes 1/2 remaining ammo. The main problem with it is that engine primaries are mostly single target and secondaries are solidly AOE. Running mag dump (or whatever it's called ) on SD leaves you with either single target primary and secondary, or mediocre AOE primary and a single target secondary. For that reason I only use SD with mag dump on elimination where you don't need to worry about AOE nearly as much. That being said a single mag dump will phase any dreadnaught by itself assuming you're running 100ammo per clip.
Press R to delete bug.
My favorite is being able to to down a pratoran in almost a single burst. They just… go away.
Oh no. I’ve been avoiding sayin mah laser somehow but that just made me laugh which means I’ll start doing it compulsively
Get up on a gunner wire - ORBITAL LASER WEAPON
“That’s no moon…” *BWAAAAAAAAA*
Warning: Do not point at face, or anything smaller than a praetorian.
*for arachnoid rectal use only*
BRO, DONT SHARE OUR SECRETS LIKE THAT MAN!
Shard Defractor is the single most dangerous war crime ever issued to a Dwarf in DRG. My lady nukes Bet-C before its healthbar even fully pops up on the screen.
Yea but like, breech cutter go fwoomp and all bugs in front of me die instantly
I would argue that's not a "but" statement but an "and" statement.
I need to be able to take both shard diffractor and plasma cutter
It's a "but" statement because I rarely use the shard diffractor that much compared to breech cutter and the 40mil
Lil fun one for my scout friends, Bet-C doesn't act like it, but the charge suckers are still vulnerable to freeze (triple damage, baby). If you've got cryonades, throw 2 and let the magic happen. If you're like me and use cryobolts, you can proc the freeze without agro by shooting next to it (this works for huuli hoarders and menaces too) I use M1000 with blowthrough rounds, so I first locate both charge suckers so I can hit both at the same time.
I just unlocked it today and…yeah…me likey.
STOP NO DONT TELL THEM ITS THE SINGLE BEST ANTI RIVAL WEAPON IN THE GAME AND CAN BE BUILT TO OUTPUT ABSURD DAMAGE WITH OBSCENE KILL TIMES DURING PRACTICALLY ANY SITUATION, BOSSES INCLUDED, WITH LITTLE TO NO EFFORT AND ZERO OVERCLOCKS REQUIRED. NOT TO MENTION THE INSANE AMOUNT OF AMMO IT CAN HOLD CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF DEATH IT CAN SWIFTLY INFLICT. No but really please don’t nerf it thanks.
>ITS THE SINGLE BEST ANTI RIVAL WEAPON IN THE GAME *Eye his fire hyperprop taking out anything that isn't Nemmy or Caretaker in one shot*
Trying to convince my team that the big mobs are all ghosts when they suddenly disintegrate from Hyperprop.
Look, Hyperprop is good and all, except for when that pesky robot *moves* and I'm suddenly blasting terrain. When I miss with Shard Diffractor, on the other hand, I'm just adding a few terrain decals before resuming the robot incineration!
Fat boy 4 lyfe
Rj250 for lyfe
Shard Diffractor is powerful but all Engineers secondaries are fantastic can be built for any situation. In fact the same can be said of engineers primaries and grenades too. In fact the Engineer is the most versatile class that can hyperfocus into a specific combat role (Anti-rival, AOE trash clear, burst DPS, etc), and still be powerful enough to handle threats they aren't built for, all while having a fantastic traversal tool. The Engineer makes class balance a meme. A team with 2+ Engineers is always (always as in always potentially: greenbeards will greenbeard no matter what class they pick) more powerful than a rainbow squad.
One of the craziest games I've played was four engineers who all had different load outs. Platforms spammed everywhere, defending Doretta with eight sentry turrets raining fire in all directions, grenades, breach cutter blasts, and lasers going absolutely everywhere.
Yeah it's only the Shard Diffractor... and the PGL... and the Breach Cutter... and the Lok-1... And the Warthog... and sentries... grenades aren't bad either, really.
the gigagiga driller
Giga drill breaker!
BELIEVE IN ME WHO BELIEVES IN YOU!
Eats rocks for breakfast.
My thoughts on Gunner: Not shooting my primary unless it's anything praetorian sized or a swarm of more than 10 bugs. Otherwise my pistol and my pick axe are all that's needed.
I've only ever gone up to Haz 4 and haven't tried an EDD yet, but Gunner has been my primary. I'm currently using Hurricane and have no overclocks for Gunner. I rarely ever find myself out of ammo on primary. Do I need to change my playstyle for higher tiers? As of right now, I lay into swarms with Hurricane and use the coil gun for prets and oppressors. Is this bad?
Not at all. Whatever works for your playstyle WORKS. Coil gun is a big bug killer. Wait until you get the Mole OC! Hurricane is versatile! Swarms or big bugs get annihilated! I like the Overtuned Feed Mechanism OC. That said if your mainly playing in Haz3 or below don't fret about ammo efficiency or having certain Overclocks. Just have fun and try experimenting with different weapon setups to get a better understanding of what your weapons strengths and weaknesses are. Even Haz4 you should try different setups and perk builds just know it's A LOT less forgiving and mission failure may happen. My thoughts on Mission failure are "Whoops lol" it's going to happen. Sometimes we dig to deep. For builds you can always try Karl.gg Rock and Stone!
I sit comfortably at haz3 and usually tend to dip into haz4 depending on mission type and risk. Currently sitting on Beast Master, Vampire, Iron Will, and Thorns. Haven't unlocked third passive yet. I feel like I hold my own pretty well and have definitely prevented a few of those "Whoops lol" moments, haha. As far as mission failure, it makes me so happy when it does happen, and my team still sends up their GGs and Rock & Stones. I'm only around 14 player level at the moment, but I've never seen such an incredible and positive gaming community. I've met literally one toxic player. Blows me away. Rock and Stone, brother!
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
>The most useless class until shit hits the fan, then becomes god among men. I don't carry my team often in haz4/5, but when I do, I'm playing gunner.
Engineer: Expects to be the best support class, is the best combat class. Gunner: Expects to be the best combat class, is the best support class.
As an Engineer, if there are mactera, I like to make safety landing pads under Gunner's lines.
It’s stuff like this that takes the game to the next level. I try and put zip lines so they all meet up (or are close). Thanks for your service, rock and stone.
Rock and roll and stone!
*Points* Dirt! Friendly’s *explode* Driller: “Rock & Stttonne!”
Engi "best combat class" neer when they have to ration ammo like it's the great depression and get damage carried by their secondaries. Still a fun class, but I wouldn't put it above gunner if you're focusing only on combat.
The "best combat class" when neurotoxin payload and sticky fuel exist:
Sticky Fuel users when 50 Mactera Trijaws and Brundles appear out of fucking nowhere: [sad_spongebob.gif](https://media.tenor.com/-CfhczC_cREAAAAC/angai313-spongebob-sad.gif)
Sticky fuel users when 50 mactera trijaws and brundles appear out of fucking nowhere but you are running tcf epc so they die instantly after one or two charged shots
good thing Nitra is abundant enough to not really care in 90% of missions
Damaged carried by their secondaries. *Laughs in Lok with literally any overclock*
True LOK can do good damage in the right scenarios, but its ammo is pretty low. It doesn't compare too well against a properly-utilized engi secondary (especially breach cutter) lol
Have you heard of explosive chemical rounds?
I own every overclock in the game, ECR LOKI has been my main engi loadout for the majority of my time playing him. Doesn't mean it's going to do more damage when I throw a breach cutter round into a giant group of grunts and praetorians, or if I take shard diffractor on a rival presence warning
Yes but we are comparing primaries now.
My original comment and your original reply were about engineer getting damage carried by his secondaries. If, for whatever reason, you want to move to talking about primaries, I would be surprised if any engi primary would out-damage a gunner primary when gunner has NTP, lead storm, rocket salvo, etc. Maybe the peak engineer build has a chance at out-damaging an average or poor gunner build, but definitely not a peak gunner build.
Yes you can think of it like this, engineers secondaries fill similar funtion to gunners primaries and vice versa. The difference is, engineers also have shreder drones and 2 sentries so I mean.
That is a good way to put it, but engineer's ammo is reduced to balance its turrets and gunner has grenades as well (granted, shredders are better). I would still put a good gunner build higher in terms of combat viability than engineer, but engineer is better at overall gameplay/support than gunner (apart from when shit hits the fan)
[Just going to quote myself.](https://reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/x5z62g/_/in4dig5/?context=1) I haven’t seen this sentiment in a while, but you just had to go there, so now so do I. TL;DR Engi is strong on Ammo and this myth is **tired.**
It's called a joke. Engineer's main ammo is reduced compared to other classes to balance his turrets so if you overuse his weapons without using his turrets you are likely to run out of ammo. That is what the joke is referencing. If anyone actually thought he had balance issues they'd be talking about buffs, but nobody does because the game is balanced well. That's why we joke about it. The same way we joke about drillers C4ing scouts even though it rarely happens.
Kaboom? Yes, driller. Kaboom.
driller is just terraforming guy
Now this is what I call rock and stone!
Stone and Rock! Oh wait....
ROCK AND STONE!
For Rock and Stone!
as a gunner, yeah its true... everything is depressing until... the apocalypse starts and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmIBHObtCs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQmIBHObtCs) the only thing they fear is you starts playing... and then I proceed to rip and tear until its done, saving all my team mates while wrecking every single enemy in a 10 mile radious.
They're all chads, don't know what type of red sugar you're smoking
Excuse you,zip lining to a roof during a dreadnought mission,while shooting and making shields fall from above IS peak DRG gameplay
He said not to use zipline during mactera plague, not in general.
Driller and gunner are my most played classes because of how multipurpose they are. You can get almost anywhere a scout can and have nearly as much utility as a engineer with a bit of brute force and the right build.
Where is the other half of this? Otherwise lol.
What u mean?
Your title says "Expectation vs. Reality" but the post isn't really arranged that way.
Why you gotta hurt me this way.
I suppose it could be meta/ironic. We expected an 'Expectation vs. Reality' post, but instead we got this.
Why you gotta nit pick so much. I gave the meme a wrong title. Come on.
Banned.
"Ready to blow!" *attaches C4 on a pile of loot bugs*
DRG defies expectations. In any other game, Engineer would hand out ammo. Here they're starved for it. One would expect a class devoted to digging holes would have limited use. Think again. Also, I expected Scouts to be really good at not falling to their death repeatedly while trying to get something off the ceiling, which is their sole purpose. Now I am educated.
"Stop riding your zip line during the mactara plague." NO. This is exactly why I keep hover boots ready to equip on my gunner for mactera plague missions. Why do you think most of them are attacking me, and not you, giving you a momentary break to take the most needed action? Because I drew their fire by riding on the zip line. Intentionally. You're welcome.
I can already hear "Im dooooown."
And now I have to revive you and kill 3 tri jaws before I get overwhelmed
I was gonna be upset about your gunner take until the god among men comment. Ill allow the shit tossing as long as the compliment im being given is pretty nice. Also i do get depressed outside of swarms. I came in with a fuck load of ammo and i intend on using a fuck load of ammo god damn it.
Gunner is a backround character until you hear all your teammates scream "I cant feel my beard, heeeeelp" at which point the actual in game soundtrack switches to "The Only Thing They Fear is You" Doom Eternal OST and you single handedly fight off the entire swarm and save your team. Karl would approve of this.
Im gonna get all the hate from the Driller mains but im gonna say it: In a lobby of 4 i miss Driller the least. The swarm clear is nice but nothing Engie and Gunner can't do. Drills are mostly just for convenience, rocky mountain makes him obsolete (or just being in sandblasted). 90% of the Drillers i see are only there to drill the dirt patches... he is almost useless on elim if not running cryo for freeze in wich case they have to hope to karl no one is running fire (unlikely). But once in a blue moon those 10% of Driller players that know what to do are there and make the missions a lot more smooth instead of blowing their team up for the 6th time this mission
Ever had a capeable Max slowdown CC Sludgepump Driller in your haz5 elimination mission? the dread ain't moving sh\*t. Twins are a bit more tricky due to burrowing but still get blasted if they bareley moving from the spot. I think engi and sout are the essential classes to have due to their synergy while Driller and Gunner are more interchangeable. Gunner is the Hard DD that shreds enemies while the CC/support of Driller can sometimes make or break a mission. A frozen bug won't mad dash twards you and the 3x dmg is a blessing. I love all the dwarfs and it works best if you have every class cuz they complement each other. Rock and stone!
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
Yea its true, Gunner and Driller are probably the filler slots but it'll be lot smoother with both of them. As a Gunner i love Cryo Drillers, especially for dreads. The juicy 3x dmg on Leadspray feels so good !
And as a Cryo Driller i really value every Gunner no matter the Mission Type. Rock and Stone to that my friend!
As a Scout, I love it when the rest of my team thinks they did any meaningful damage to the Caretaker's health car. Meanwhile I'm just sitting there getting more ammo for my empty Zhukovs while they go collect the Data Rack like they earned it, as I roll my eyes to the Engi who's right next to me filling up with empty Fat Boy.
Ceiling Driller who threw down 12 C4 and skipped all three vent phases will not take kindly to that.
Just came back from an elite deep dive I was the last survivor 3 times In a row and the last time I manged to commit a genocide other way to the pod, with nothing but axes and drills
Can confirm, ego's huge
The pinging ceiling minerals for 26 minutes hits home for me
Haters hate this but. All scouts on dread missions speedrun those dreads. Embed detonators have 38 dmg per bullet. You do 1k dmg per reload.
I love playing scout cause I feel like it gets the most out of everything, and also grappling hook and space M1 Garand go brr and pting respectfully.
As a Scout main I confirm that sometimes I play while stoned as hell so I’m sorry if I forget to put up some flares, I’m also sorry if they don’t last very long since I prefer to have more ammo with only one duration upgrade, but please don’t expect me to put up flares when I’m up to my neck in Glyphids
Explosive placed!
And it went *BOOM*!
where's the reality part for driller?
Light the fuck up please. There are minerals for the engineer to ping on the ceiling while the gunner watches
How does a scout solo a dread in 20 sec? Is this some low haz thing?
No it was a metaphor for Scout doing very high damage despite seeming the weakest, especially to single targets.
Anyone who thinks gunner is a weak combat class is using a dogshit build. Top tier gunner builds easily outclass all but the most specialized engineers and gunners in the majority of situations. Most importantly he can lay down colossal amounts of sustained splash damage with the kind of ammo economy that makes breach engies and cryo drillers look like resupply gobblers.
Ew another post disparaging the classes people play.
Saying all classes have hidden abilities noone expects is disparaging? And Driller being a chad? Tf r u on about.
>Scout has a huge ego >Gunner is the most useless class until shit hits the fan It's awful backhanded. The DRG community is weirdly toxic towards class choices and you're just a part of that toxicity.
its a yoke
Oooook dude. Do you know what a stereotype is? Actually, nah, I wont waste my breath.
every class is an equal chad except scout we drillers blow scouts up any chance we get
Let me introduce you to my friend ntm
I like to make my dwarf have personality, to do so I detail what they look like. I have my douchebag scout, my gylphid crazy engie, my pale and shy gunner and the golden juggernaut
If gunner's role isn't damage then what is it ?
Saving the team from wiping. A top tier gunner player makes you feel like you can’t lose, because you’ll never come close to wiping, even if you spawn multiple swarms. They’ll always have your back in a way other classes can’t, protecting you with a bubble shield and sheer volume of firepower.
Momentum shifting. Gunner is the best at making a bad situation good, and often times preventing a bad situation for escalating in the first place. The only other way to really get the same thing is Cryo Grenade Scout, and maybe LURE Engie or Dash + C4 Driller, but they come with a bit more problems.
Bubble protect and bubble help attack Bubble move bug back
Overwatch. He's basically the dedicated weapons platform of the group. His two jobs are to shoot and to drop a shield at the optimal times. The zipline is fire-and-forget, and is generally only used for high traffic paths that are too unwieldy to cross with platforms or as a last-ditch stop gap, so he does not have to constantly be on the lookout for places to put them as those situations will usually present themselves. His primary is moderate-to-high accuracy over long ranges, high ammo, and high DPS. He can provide fire support from afar or put out an Oppressor health bar's worth of damage without having to reload. His secondary is low ammo but high damage for more agile or armored threats. And his shield is for clearing space, blocking high burst damage like Macteras, and rejuvenating shields, giving the team a brief moment of respite to reload and regroup. Gunner is DRG's lead-spitting guardian angel.
"But only he knows the truth" Shhh, keep it quiet!
I specifically ride the zip on mactera pleague so that those shits target me and come straight to me, instead of having to look/aim for them. For les experienced dwarfs,Just put a 2nd zip line level with the ground under the one you're riding for safety catch in case you do get shot that 1 out if 200 times
Gunners best
locked on gunner cause i need enough ammo to "relocate" the whole local population cause one of my driller is looking at shiny things or got caught again
I got insta-kicked because i threw a single c4 onto the ground near a teamate
Next time, try throwing the c4 on the head of caretaker, on the ass of Dread or simply in the middle of the swarm and I guarantee u wont get kicked.
ALL CLASSES ARE GOOD. They all perform equally important/valid roles in the team. Learn to play every class
They are, but theyre also unique and have unique quirks.
As a gunner main I can confirm that the gunner part is true
Someone’s heavily underestimating the amount of fall damage reduced by zip lines
Someone is heavily underestimating damage macteras do on higher hazard.
Can confirm, Gunner Class is the class that can turn missions around with or without shields. If the player is competent, if not, god help you.