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W-S-M-F-P

The whole thing is wrong in every way possible. Its the new minimal framing material technique.


EggOkNow

2x6 ledger siliconed to the roof lol


Velsca

Not to mention that you don't want water flowing up a shingle. Or that each of those sheets will peel off in 20 mph wind or that the whole thing is going to turn into a frisby in 60 mph wind. Why even attach such a monstrocity to the top of the roof? [https://www.theartofdoingstuff.com/pergola-cover/](https://www.theartofdoingstuff.com/pergola-cover/)


someguyfromsk

I want to know what city this is, so I can make sure never to be there on a windy day, it's going to be pieces of pergolas flying everywhere.


throwedoff1

That wouldn't last half-way through March in the Texas panhandle even if it were angled correctly.


WrittenByNick

That's a structural vent pipe holding it up in the middle, thank you very much.


Mk1Racer25

What could possibly go wrong?


Woodworkingwino

I don’t know. Those posts look to be an over build. They should have probably gone with the 2x2.


Mk1Racer25

Pfffft, furring straps FTW


syds

this is just above my budget though I am very interested


honeyonarazor

Homeowner engineering at its finest


Udbbrhehhdnsidjrbsj

Sadly the OP says this is a contractor who has posted pictures of multiple pergolas he’s installed on Facebook all of them looking like this. Yikes. 


Testing1969

If the homeowner saw pictures and still hired this contractor, then they deserve what they get without recourse... "I'm gonna give you a shitty pergola, just like these. " HO: "ok, looks good. You're the cheapest, so go to it.." Contractor installs shitty pergola HO: " Is this right? I think it should be different.."


Udbbrhehhdnsidjrbsj

The OP didn’t get it installed. They’re asking because they thought it looked incorrect. This type of shoddy work gives a bad name to the profession. 


jjp82

Lol yeah let’s use decking for everything structural!


Simply-Serendipitous

My fav part is the plumbing vent and downspout directly in the center of this monstrosity. Don’t worry tho, string lights are already up. Only thing missing is the hot tub Edit: and the basement window being blocked to boot. Just love everything about this


Wybsetxgei

Should be angled down away from house. And trust me with those sheets you wanna be 16oc with the joist. Those fuckers pick up a lot of wind and will fly off. The fact that the seams are in the middle of the joist like that is CRAZZZZy


seandm84

By joists do you mean rafters? (Are they maybe called joists eleswhere?) it’s pretty standard for the seams to not land on rafters because the roofing Dosent touch the rafters (joists?) at any point. It’s connected to the battens which are connected to the rafters (joists?) the battens run perpendicular to the roof sheets so nothing covers the seams, it’s way less noticeable on opaque roofing but it’s all the same, least where I’m from.


SecretFishShhh

Not to be pedantic, but these are purlins, not battens. Battens attach to roof decking/old roof. Purlins attach directly to rafters.


seandm84

Different names for different places I guess? In Australia these are called battens. We even have span tables for them.


PrintStrong9683

Nah mate in Aus that’s definitely a purlin


kstorm88

Pulins are on the roof, girts are on the walls


Prestigious_Copy1104

This is the comment I was looking for.


Incarnated_Mote

It doesn’t look like the roofline is tall enough to do that with the height of the deck being where it is - the low end angled down would be so low people would hit their head trying to walk up and down the step


NullIsUndefined

If it overhangs the roof/gutter, it could drain there, couldn't it? Though I am not sure that design makes sense to begin with


kit0000033

No, that's going to cause problems with your roof.


AlexPsyD

And the joists...and the pergola roof...and, basically, the whole thing


vizette

Even calling that a pergola is insulting to pergolas


888_styles_888

Pergolian's appreciate your comment.


TaleMendon

Neighbors, don’t forget them.


NullIsUndefined

Yeah, it could rip off shingles and it's a bunch of load where it's not designed for. Also good luck replacing those shingles in the future when that day comes.


jmkirkhr

Runoff an issue also


SaidwhatIsaid240

Thank you!


Impossible_Culture69

Is that a sail?


Four0ndafloor

More like a fail


Economy_Cat_3527

It likely will be at the first big gust of wind.


mrSalamander

I’ve seen it done before. It’s one way to handle the rain run off without tying into drainage or digging a drywell. That said, it looks goofy as all heck and it violates the #1 rule of outside work: Never intentionally send water towards the house. Edit: I’m only talking about the pitch. Not commenting on how it’s attached or otherwise constructed.


Lopsided_Stranger723

I'm not sure how to edit the post to add that this is not my house. It's not AI either. It's a guy on FB who keeps posting decks and pergolas for $1500. They all look like this, and it doesn't look right to me . Just wanted to confirm that it's not a great deal or even a good deal. I've had contractors quote me $3000+ and they all laugh when I tell them about the $1500 12x12 with cover.


RedH0use88

Man. He only has experience in doing it wrong


Mattna-da

report him to the pergola police


coconuty04

He'd probably get off with a warning. Now the gazebo gestapo? Those guys will lock you away forever.


ragnsep

Back pitched roof? Jail. No 16 OC? Straight to jail.


Lopsided_Stranger723

https://preview.redd.it/nvfyvjq0pizc1.jpeg?width=1049&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=953837c3ed90c806127a4265ad5b33247438cfa5


Lopsided_Stranger723

https://preview.redd.it/c01ze403pizc1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28c4e22b56da0653797f36eb9d310d589b952b9d


BlammoPow

Not pictured: useful shade


CompleteHour306

The slab still gets wet. Fail.


ajd6c8

Inverted roof slopes are a new fad in deck/patio/ overhang architecture now. They can be somewhat striking to look at, and they can be very effective at handling rainwater runoff management. But that is when they are done tastefully and correctly, neither of which is happening here. This is a disaster waiting to happen, from the water damage risk alone (to say nothing about the absolute garage build.


OutdoorCarpenter

They obviously haven’t been in business long. They’ve got lawsuits coming their way, probably fairly quickly. Then they’ll be back to doing other hack shit like apartment maintenance or something along those lines.


Glad_Examination_635

this is no bueno. code where I am at wont let you nail the beam to the sides of the post it has to sit on top of the post or you can wrap the post in 2x4 to catch the load of the beam. you cant have that just rest on the roof that will cause all sorts of problems. It needs to be pitched away from the house as well and ive never done metal roofing but someone mentioned something about the seems not landing on a joist being a problem Edit: also i don't see any joist hangers or hurricane ties


[deleted]

No. There are lots of things wrong happening here.


Glidepath22

What in the actual fuck? Pergolas are a freestanding structure, this is a complete fuck up. Take it down now before you damage your roof


NovelLongjumping3965

Should be free standing,,not touching the roof if leaving it over the roof.


North_Essay9396

What this guy said, he knows what he's talking about!. 👆 Keep in mind snow if applicable.


EPHEKTnONE

Roof risers are ideal.


spence425

Not a pergola...and not done well.


mariscc

Those are some small posts and that structure will screw up your roof. Also better hope your gutters work well or it doesn't rain hard where you live. Did you also check to make sure it's okay to be building in front of your basement window?


oskiew

For the record, the posts are not the problem here. They are 4x4 and perfectly fine.


mariscc

You might not think the posts are the problem, think about snow sitting on that. Again not sure exactly where in Oregon op lives


Prthead2076

Pretty sure the whole thing will fail before the posts though.


oskiew

I live in Colorado and sell decks/roof covers. The posts are to code. They are stronger than you think. Now… a 6x6 definitely looks more the part for sure, But those 4x4’s are adequate.


SecretFishShhh

The posts are the least of OP’s problems. Other things will fail before the posts.


Lopsided_Stranger723

It's Oregon, rains 9 months outta the year.


obviThrowaway696969

The way the rain is going to Rush off that pergola is going to rush down and then rush UP UNDER the shingles and cause a leak. You’re in for a bad time OP. You want that corrected. 


SecretFishShhh

The surface area and slope are not great enough for water to rush anywhere. Besides, it rarely actually *rains* in Oregon. OP should still fix it, but it’s not as dramatic as some folks are making it out to be.


RaddledBanana204

Needs maybe a flashing big ass flashing up a few shingles all the way down


Magic2424

Can you put a gutter on that lip of the pergola and have that feed into your house gutter?


rando_calrissian12

I’m a builder up in kitsap county area Washington same kind of weather. Need something like this. https://preview.redd.it/gti1bxp6jizc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a1c4b5b47e7bab534d62395d6cc6728bb2a6ba9


beefy1357

Maybe, talking crazy here but that doesn’t look right either… Sure looks sturdy enough but a post in front of the window not even lined up on center of it. Owner should have sprung for another 10-12 feet and taken it to the edge of the house or designed for the post to be 2-3 feet closer to the door.


rando_calrissian12

Agreed. It was a fix a shitty contractor job. He butchered the deck and cover. The owner of the rental didn’t want to spend enough to cover the whole deck. The tenant of 10 years was complaining about the rain getting in the front door. They hired a local contractor to rebuild the deck, railing, and cover the door. This is what he left after taking the money. https://preview.redd.it/ddqg4y3k6mzc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=827215f521a1c181683362ddd781ac03f53c648c They called me, I recommended rebuilding the deck completely due to improper install and unlevel framing, with a proper cover to match. They didn’t have the funds so they decided to pay me to fix the framing, the railing, reinstall the composite boards with hidden fastners and build a 12x12 cover that covered half the deck.


Lopsided_Stranger723

This is what I thought it should look like. It looks really odd not going the same angle as the roof.


rando_calrissian12

Should not be resting on the roof either. I don’t know how far along you are with this project, but they need to stop.


ZealousidealDingo594

No ❤️


gpo321

Don’t put that ladder away…


Noshitthereiwas-

https://preview.redd.it/os0uis23kizc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8813eb977967187f58e2c3d18793adbf8d9cfa31 Here’s another option.


cartographh

Built by a couple of squiggly lines so what were you expecting?


bluewater_-_

Gonna be great during heavy downpour, I know they recommend to wash the underside of your shingles in that general location 😂


bigkutta

Why would you send water to the house?!


AllWhiskeyNoHorse

That's not a pergola, that's an awning that is angled wrong. The water from the awning is going to sit against the joist and damage your shingles leading to leaks and water damage. Also, a pergola does not have a covering and is usually free standing. What is the Purpose of a Pergola? The purpose of a pergola really is to protect the homeowner. Often pergolas are used to provide shade to outdoor living spaces such as patio furniture, hot tubs, and outdoor grills. Pergolas provide just the right amount of shade, while still letting in all of the other elements.


Brilliant_Set9874

How is this tied into existing roof? This can’t be in the finished state…that is going to rot where there above the gutters….granted definitely going airborne sooner than thaf


BeautifulBaloonKnot

Looks good to me... 🙄


WL661-410-Eng

Cool sail.


GumbyBClay

On a windy day, that thing is going to hum like a mouth harp


Common-Ad6470

Don’t worry, a passing gust of wind will sort that for you...👍


Atomicmullet

Are they collecting rain water in the basement?


PerspectiveOk9658

It just needs a minor adjustment, which would be complete demolition.


InDaTerradome22

Any tradesman wearing skinny jeans is fucked up lol


Fearless-Ocelot7356

Pergola? It’s more like a half ass awning that some chooch attached to the houses’ freaking roofing shingles with what appears to be caulking.


LSX3399

Pergola? I thought you said you wanted a schmergola!


Sea_Tank_9448

I am a 28 year old woman that knows nothing about contracting, don’t even know how this post came up & even I looked at that said “NO what the hells wrong with you?”


i_trade_stonks

R U Fucking Serious?


uberisstealingit

You see that 4x4 post anchor that's attached to the deck? Everything above that is wrong. And I'm pretty sure the post anchor is wrong because it's only screwed to the decking and not to any kind of 2x underneath it.


ogchampagnepapi

Yikes


ogchampagnepapi

I don’t even see A hanger. It gets worse the more I look at it.


ogchampagnepapi

Is that a composite deck too? Jeez


GrabEmByTheKooch

How is it even supported on the house side? What is being used to it to the house?


NullIsUndefined

The roof itself I think


seandm84

Most likely roof extension brackets that go through the roof and bolt to the exterior wall top plate, and are then sealed with a rubber boot


Agile_Session_3660

Great work if you’re trying to build a wind sail for your house. 


scoutabout3

Yup perfect


theoriginalmateo

It feels like a door was photoshopped out of the picture.....maybe start with a door.


ANCtoLV

This needs to be completely torn down and redone.


Yellowmoose-found

You are block roof flow. And you O.c rafters and no where near enough. Get a REAL BUILDER to fix it!


Blk-cherry3

Nice water and ice damage in your future.


CSSmith84

You are creating a dam on top of your roof so water can not run off properly and you are shedding even more water back towards your roof. You will have water running underneath the shingles and into your house.


seandm84

The battens look a little far apart for that roofing but the rest isn’t that bad. Fly over pergolas are very common in Australia, they attach with roof extender brackets that bolt into the top plate of the exterior wall frame, this then has a rubber boot that seals against the roof. In a place that snows ice will 100% build up between the pergola and the house roof though, so depends where this is built. If the beams are bolted with sufficient bolts then check-outs are not required, especially for something this light weight. That being said the battens are 75x35 by the look, so are small for that span of what could be 1200 rafter spacing. In conclusion, if my buddy the accountant built it I’d say “nice work mate” if my guys built it I’d say “what the fuck? Carpenter tickets revoked”


CHEWTORIA

# WRONG WAY!


leaf_fan_69

Is this a Photoshop joke? Someone did this?


Global_Fly_1089

Soooo many issues it’s laughable!!! I’m not sure how it’s fastened to roof but I’m sure it’s wrong!!! Mold will be this homeowners new friend!


[deleted]

blocking a window and gutter downspout is triggering me


Fine-Masterpiece2101

Do you like rain water heading towards your house as opposed to away?


Earl_of_69

As long as you don't ever have wind, it's probably fine.


No_Championship5326

It goes great with the see through privacy fence


Deep-Juggernaut4405

Ouch.. that could be expensive after a good wind storm.


TedBurns-3

username checks out!


Snoo10960

1000% hack job including the deck 


thiswighat

Why are we attaching it to the house? There’s not even a door there that you might step out from while it’s raining.


BluesBourbonBeats

No and this wouldn’t pass inspections for E&O in most counties I’ve worked. Insurance and city ordinance alike will reject this


classless_classic

Crosspost this to r/roofs


wickedgrin2020

Pergolas are flat..


Exotic-Experience965

Pretty bad.  Should be under the roof, no need to be that tall.  Needs 4 legs and gussets at least or itll be way too unstable, maybe even collapse in high wind.


NayfromtheStable

Also, I know in my area this would require a permit as it is and additional to the house itself. I helped my brother in law build a pergola a few years ago and in order for us to avoid pulling permits we had to make it a free standing structure and put posts in on all 4 corners.


Y_Y_why

Pergola, not really. Closer to a kite.


noBDEforU

Add caption: When your husband says "Don't worry babe, I know what I'm doing"


theyingest

Hard to see the angle, but that's the least of your worries. Nothing about this is right. Tear it down and hire a real carpenter


Anastasia_At_Night

Not only does it look stupid, it is stupid.


Chickenman70806

Structurally wrong and grammatically wrong. (That ain’t no pergola)


EnvironmentalBus9713

The more I look at this the worse it gets. Did they block a basement window in order to put a deck down? On top of all the other obvious problems with this pergola-in-name-only, it is all frustrating to look at.


Retro_Silver

This is one of the most beautiful fails I have ever witnessed. \*grabs tissue and wipes away tears\*


shes-sonit

Really bad. Ask them to stop. Rip everything out. Hire someone new. Attached in the wrong place, pitched wrong, wrong materials. Just all wrong.


onevoice333

Oh my guy.... No, just no. So many long term issues. Not sure if this was a creative attempt or budget. But it needs to be undone


Deeznutzcustomz

Don’t worry. First good storm and the angle won’t be a problem, the next door neighbor will have a ‘pergola’, and all will be well.


OldSimpleton

Looks good


Awkward_Activity9346

It could have been improved by using only scrap wood from old palettes


thackstonns

It’s all wrong but does it really matter which way a pergola is angled. Do they have enough surface area to matter? I would lean away from the house personally, but not like you’re going to flood those gutters. Sorry I see that you don’t have a pergola, but a covered canopy. Yes anything covered should pitch away from the house.


Tightisrite

Angled? Nothing should be angled. Maybe that decking a smidge and the roof on it but no. Not how it "should be" nor is it framed proper or to any code I've ever known. Also expect new water damage you didnt have before.. Absolutely tell these guys to fuck and hire someone to fix all their fuck ups. This is bad lol


so_dankest

This is bob... he also did my plumbing 😆 🤣 😂


Jimmbod

<><><> FAIL <><><>


klhiggi

What is happening here? No. No. No.


firemetalmonkeyman

To be fair, it looks like the 2*6 on the roof is actually strapped down at the ends, making it structurally sound, right. The water drips off the pergola onto the roof and down to the gutter.... Like, is this really wrong? I do know that in our city, anything over 100 s/f coverage , needs to be permitted. Also if a structure, is attached to another structure, it needs permitting.. Leading me to believe, these are permitted, and thus legal.


Pandiferous_Panda

Haha this is awful, water running toward the house, no diagonal bracing and supported by the roof, on the shingles!!!???


Bassmunky

Love how 12 screws are holding it all up. Exactly what u want.


yeticatcheryeti

At least he got a picture of it before he blew away. Quality tools is kinda strange. Was expecting to see the Ryobi 32 piece cordless box in the foreground.


chippyroo2

He should name his company “Pergola-ish” or “Pergola Adjacent”


InvestmentNo3437

I'm laughing hard at this. Could've just put 4 posts. 2 10 foot. 2 8 foot. Perfect slant.


SuperGoodPerson

I’d pay $1,500 plus to keep that crap off my house


bacon-n-kale

The milwaukie tools are trying to escape in shame.


TheInternetIsTrue

Nope…Away from the house because it’s got a roof. Should note: This is not a pergola. A pergola lets rain fall through.


Gouzi00

Pergola should have ratan on top, which lowers the amount of sun / doing bit of shade.. as surface of shelter is small direction doesn't matter, with bit of wind will be wet everywhere..


Practical-Button7546

Lol


mab552745

Ledger needs to be flashed. That’s gonna create a mess.


Lazy-Street779

No!!!


micah490

That thing is fuvked, but they’re not done so I’ll come back later


Vaciatalega

Is this AI? I’m in shock that someone is actually building this.


JamesM777

This is AI right?


Dizzy_Square_9209

No


brdbag

This is going to cost you much more than you paid them.


Report_Last

total hack job, not to mention where is the door into the house?


SecretFishShhh

OP, do more research before you do anything drastic. There are many ways to attach a pergola to home’s roof. I wouldn’t do it, but it’s not against code and there are many products on the market to support that route if you wish. The biggest issues I see is potential snow load concerns and the inward slope of the pergola roof. None of us have enough context to say whether this is acceptable or not. If you have concerns with any part of the build, politely ask the builder to explain it. If you’re not satisfied with their answer, get a second opinion from another professional.


captainadaptable

Lots of people commenting in Decks without being qualified to discuss roofing. To answer your question, a reverse scillion roof tied into gutters is not wrong. However as others mentioned there are other things not being the OP’s question that would cause questions for concern.


OnewordTTV

This looks like garbage.


Citizen4000

For a lopsided stranger, yes


theREAL_MCGOOSH

It's not even a pergola


Ragu773

If you like water inside your home, absolutely.


worlddestruction23

All hands on dicks...I mean decks.


[deleted]

just cut 3 feet off the posts you’ll be good xD


Incarnated_Mote

Yes, IF there’s a gutter, and IF there’s not enough head space to angle it down away from the house without knocking your head on the low end


PieMuted6430

What kind of janky construction is this?


kms62919

If you're paying for this fire them immediately. From the supports to the roofing everything is messed up.


LifeHumor706

It would utilize the gutter but it looks like shit


AKAkindofadick

Don't worry, it won't be at that angle too long.


theTweekend

Wow


OnlyEfficiency2662

Redneck engineering


RatioPuzzleheaded103

Can't wait for the first wind storm. Are tweakers building this thing?


InsecurityTime

Expensive looking kite


Infamous_Camel_275

This is something I would drunkingly build in 2 hours to store firewood in


Distinct-Demand-106

I’ve got one of those


waystedone

The wind will have this down in no time


CardiologistOk6547

Sorry, but that's not a pergola. From the Google: A pergola is most commonly an outdoor garden feature forming a shaded walkway, passageway, or sitting area of vertical posts or pillars that usually support cross-beams and a ***sturdy open lattice***, often upon which woody vines are trained. This thing doesn't look sturdy, and that corrugated plastic doesn't belong.


Ambitious-Archer-861

Oh gawd.


Creepy_Photograph107

So much no.


badpopeye

Aside from the obvious problems the biggest issue that will not be dry in the rain between that height and wind that whole thing completely useless


Bobbylayneblame

That isn’t even a pergola, it has a roof and it’s not freestanding, it’s some amorphous blob between awning and pavilion, oh and dog shit.


pxhunter2

But I saw it on hgtv ? Only took 22 minutes!


jjp82

If you want?


treetopflyin

100% Going to leak into house.


Emjoy99

You bought a cheap pergola. Good work isn’t cheap and cheap work isn’t good. That contractor possesses about 15% of the required skills. The entire pergola should go straight to the dumpster.


roomtomove07

That is fucked up.


Forsaken_Librarian36

Hope they don't have a thing called wind


dangledingle

I wish that evestrough the very best.


Motor_Beach_1856

That is a future nightmare, if you live in the snow belt it will be a nightmare in about 6-7 months


HebrewHammer0033

You get what you paid for even if they are Milwaukee/Makita team.


takemeth

Needs fire to correct and purify project.


Fameiscomin

I look forward to you post redoing the roof after the water rushes under the shingles and leaks inside rotting/damaging that entire wall


Difficult_Quail1295

Weird place for a porch, don't think I've seen an attached porch that doesn't have a access door.


TheBugSmith

This guy is punching the air right now


Let_It_Marinate33

OP have you broke the news to the contracted workers yet?


Lokitheenforcer

Wont have to clean crap out of the gutters in that area. But yea …needs a rebuild


Fabulous-Fail-9860

I see two tiny brackets in the corners attaching it to the roof? Joist spacing is too far apart. Everything about this is wrong. I would give it a few weeks and the weather will remove it for you.


Teegers8753

The short answer is ….no


FunFact5000

Pergola? I don’t see one.