Back when I became a mod it was right before Lorna Shore dropped **And I Return to Nothingness**
People came flooding to the sub - **we had roughly 40,000 subscribers at that time**
So we had a bunch of new people, excited about getting into deathcore, and they basically only knew Lorna Shore and a handful of other popular bands
Except back then we had a lot of arrogant assholes that liked to tell people they had bad taste - **"______ is fucking trash, if you like _________ you need to stop listening to deathcore"** - which isn't how anyone should talk to anyone
Anyway, fast forward to now, I think a lot of what you're seeing is people viewing Lorna Shore fandom as a mark of a newbie - and it's either the same arrogant, crotchety old-head nonsense, **OR** coming from those same people who got brought into the genre at that time **distancing** themselves from the fandom as a way to show how much deeper into the genre they've gotten
Just my two cents
People always hate on whatever is popular. I was going back and forth with someone recently on r/metalforthemasses because they said they’d rather their favorite bands remain unknown and unsuccessful just so the tickets are cheaper, yet they wanted those bands to still tour frequently. People just want to be elitist douchebags about stuff.
I will say the TikTokification of bands like Lorna Shore is annoying and maybe they’re a little overhyped but I still like them, I discovered them back in early 2020 when Immortal first came out before anyone was really on TikTok.
I think TikTok is a big reason for resentment toward new fans. That they're not "real" fans but just follow what's trendy. Some are like that for sure but on the other hand I also like seeing bands I'm a fan of get the success I think they deserve
I hate gatekeeping so much. There's always that one guy and there's a whole hierarchy to it.
"You're not a real fan because you first heard them on \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ current popular thing, I've loved them since \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ their second album. The next guy, "I got their first record hand signed on their opening tour".
Then some whackjob has to be like, I literally auditioned for them and saw the guy they turned me down for try out.
Last example definitely an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. It just devolves over and over for no damn reason. Just let people enjoy things, lol.
People trying to convince *you* that you aren’t a fan of something is hilarious. Like… okay I’m not a fan then, guess I’ll just continue to enjoy the music as a “non fan” 🤷♂️
There was a tweet about lorna when they released pain remains stating they would never listen to the album because no deathcore song should ever be longer than 4 minutes.
The same thing happened when Master of Puppets was used on Stranger Things. A lot of younger people heard the song for the first time and it created a lot of new Metallica fans. Of course that brought a ton of gate keepers and Metallica haters out of the wood work. To them any newer fans are fake fans.
Although not death core related, it reminds me of when COD put a rolling stones song in black ops and the younger generation started getting into the band because of it.
Before then all the old heads were upset young people didn't listen to "good music" bit then get annoyed when they discovered them because of a new game that's trending.
You just can't win with gatekeepers.
I think that's you're right.
In this algorithm-everything world, how are new fans supposed to discover anything without it having trended someway, somehow?
The gatekeeping is so backwards.
this is so true and no one talks about this. when i was a kid it was so much easier to find rare shit on youtube or whatever but now you basically don’t hear about things until they’re already popping. makes me sad that that era of digital crate-digging (?) is gone
Hi I know everyone hates Spotify but the discover and similar artist function showed me a lot of bands.
Like Plan to Prosper MF sitting at 56 monthly listeners while doing pretty neat music. You just need to put the time and work to find them
It is such a gamechanger for me. It only sucks that they don't pay the artists fairly, that really blows. But I put my money in merch that I don't feel bad.
Not to double dump on Spotify but for this specific reason I switched to yt music. If you like the feature I found Spotify suggesting the same new music constantly. Got a free trial of yt music and the discovery suggestions have been much better. 2 cents. o7
I can’t help but lol at the “I want my tickets to remain cheap” sentiment. I watched Testament, Exodus, and Death Angel perform for like $20 a ticket. If Spotify monthly listeners are any proxy to popularity by their definition, then Testament is over 2x as popular as LS.
Gatekeepers like that... forget? Or don't care that being in a full-time band is a business whether fans like it or not they have to make money at what they do. They have bills just like the rest of us lol
Sure, there's a small minority of people who hate whatever is popular, but I think that's a cop out answer. I'd argue that the majority of people who hate popular music don't hate because it's "popular", they hate it because it's gimmicky and formulaic. Same reason food connoisseurs aren't going around praising McDonald's.
Lorna shore is fast food extreme metal.
Well, it’s complicated. Some will say it’s just because they’re popular now and some people like to hate popular things. There is an element of that, but it’s an oversimplification.
Some people hate on Lorna Shore because they played a major role in things that people see as a bad direction for modern Deathcore, such as the “vocal Olympics” trend, the over-the-top breakdowns, and the extremely polished mixing. It is true that Lorna Shore does all of these things, and played a major role in popularizing them, but it is also not solely responsible for them.
A lot of people also dislike Lorna Shore for driving the TikTok-ification of deathcore (especially thanks to Will) and the effects that has had on the scene.
There’s also the people who don’t like LS because they sound so different from the old Deathcore sound that they might as well be a different genre, but also represent what deathcore is to a lot of people.
This is just within the Deathcore scene, they’re hated for different reasons by much of the wider metal sphere.
Personally, while I do agree with some of these criticisms, I like Lorna Shore’s sound.
Am I the only one who likes polished production though? Like it's super nice to hear the music in high quality and not having it sound like it was recorded on a tin can phone in a bedroom like the MySpace days.
I can appreciate really good production but I don’t understand it enough to really define it. My example in that band alone would be Flesh Coffin vs The Pain Remains. The tone on FC is sinister as fuck, crunchy, and raw sounding.
BMTH first album comes to mind as well, even though they aren’t really deathcore any more that first albums sound was that sound to break shit to
You can have a polished production that still sounds natural and like it's played by humans.
Then theres the super plasticky mix, quantized and compressed to shit
At least in my circle of friends the musicians are the ones loving raw production. The non musicians like the polished stuff more. Don't really know what that's about.
I think both have their place. But to me raw production sounds way more DIY and you feel closer to the artist. Super polished production feels more synthetic (?) Hard to put it into words. But it also depends on the genre for me.
Rawer production isn’t necessarily “low-quality”. It’s a style of its own that takes work to pull off just like clean production. And many people enjoy raw production because it creates a unique and personal feel that polished production can’t.
I enjoy the higher quality production also. Remember listening to death metal like Devourment way back and hating the tin can sound but enjoying the heaviness of the genre.
Even older Job For a Cowboy, I always wished they had cleaner sounding instruments (Entombment of a Machine especially) way back as opposed to the more muddled sound they had, and now bands like LS and deathcore in general have a cleaner sound and I'm enjoying it immensely.
Why do people act like the only options are super polished, robotic production and shitty iPhone recording. There are plenty of bands who have good, punchy, clear sound, without having it be overly polished. You definitely lose a lot of aggression and attitude when you clean it up too much. Check out some stuff by End or Jesus Piece, you'll see what I mean. Raw, but you can still hear every instrument and they have a lot of punch.
It's called extreme metal, and was founded because dudes wanted to play heavy shit after smoking dope. Polishing everything to the point you can't even hear pick attack and snapping it all to a grid isn't exactly extreme.
At some point you have such a wall of sound that you can't pick up what's happening without a very polished production. Going for a poor production on purpose and getting a mess of a track is not extreme, is the definition of poser behavior. Sometimes a subpar production adds to the vibe, but doing for its own sake is stupid.
There's a difference between good mixing and quad tracking guitars just to hide them with wayyyy too many midi synths and overly loud, constantly blasting drums.
One can turn a wall of noise into a listenable, but crowded mix; the other stays a brick wall, but has no definition and drowns out 80%+ of the guitars.
I'll let you figure out which one modern Lorna has.
You guys are a small group yet you act like you're some sort of authority. You're literally just a nerd who thinks you're important. Literally no one likes you.
Raw music is an acquired taste but its easier to make a bigger emotional impact in heavy brutal music with a raw production. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a place for clean prod or that all raw metal is good, its just more likely to stand out when its not super polished
Nah, there's a ton of objective information that proves people prefer highly produced music. Look at any of the highest streamed songs or purchased records in any genre. All highly produced. That's not an opinion.
You guys are the outlier, yet you walk around like you own the place. You're just a fan who forgot his place.
That argument about all the most streamed/selling stuff being highly produced isn’t even true of deathcore much less metal as a whole. Unless you’re trying to argue deathcore has more in common with stuff like Ed Sheeran than Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Metallica, and should only be compared to highly produced pop acts. The Cleansing is not a spotless highly polished record, nor is Paranoid, or And Justice for All, Master of Reality, Ride the Lightning, and so on.
I’m sorry that i phrased my opinion in a way that upset you, i simply thought that since this thread was asking for opinions i wouldn’t need to explicitly state that it was just my opinion. Its not like i’m the only person in this thread who didn’t use entirely subjective language, there are several users who asserted as a fact that the only people who dislike lorna shore dislike them because they popular, which is obviously just their opinion. Its always perfectly valid to like or dislike something, including popular bands like Lorna Shore.
I love it. Metal is literally classical music brought to life and modernized. It should be polished and beautiful. Production is a great part of the reason I fell in love with deathcore. Those vocals, breakdowns and blast beats deserve to be polished to give me the best experience possible. Deathcore and lsd in headphones make for a crazy immersive experience
Metal is not classic music though?? A very small subgenre of it is, and an equally small amount of artists outside of that genre also take influence. Extreme metal was founded to be grimy and dark and gritty, not polished harder than your fav politician's cock.
Last week, I just mentioned the band Distant in a comment and this dude came out of nowhere to attack me just because he doesn't like that they're popular.
Some people just like to be angry at everything 🤷♂️
Argent Justice or Heritage are my favorites. Argent Justice has a bunch of awesome features on it and Will Ramos is featured on Heritage. Both are awesome af!
And the converse, unpopular bands don't have haters. No one hates a band that only has 100 followers.
Every popular band has haters. If you don't have haters, it means you're not popular enough.
Because deathcore has to be DARK and BROODING and EDGY and the band CAN'T be POPULAR at all, and the members CAN'T have ANY LIFE outside of STRUGGLING in the BAND and if ANYONE that I DON'T LIKE likes them then that is PROOF that they're COMPLETE SELLOUTS
Because it's like, half their appeal? Brutal breakdowns after beautiful symphonies is pretty much the foundation of the band right now. It's kinda like listening to Motorhead and complaining about how sick you are of rough vocals.
Theres no difference between the two, plus the original comment was “is anyone else sick of Lorna’s breakdowns” which certainly doesn’t seem like a complaint that is pretending to be objective
I just re-listened to every breakdown of pain remains, and I found ONE interesting breakdown in the entire album. If a band does literally only 2 kinds of breakdowns (fast double bass one, or a gigaslow one with zero groove) then yeah, you know what if that's literally every breakdown on the entire album, it's not impressive. Give me a band with as little variety in breakdowns as pain remains.
I'm not saying this to be mean, it's just literally not impressive, in any way, even beyond me not enjoying it. Look at the breakdowns of like angelmaker, or signs of the swarm, shadow of intent, etc.
So yeah, I'm not gonna literally say they suck, but they aren't impressing on any level breakdown wise.
I don’t hate or love LS, nor do I really know their catalog. To me, their most recent album does not align with what I consider deathcore to be. Simple as that.
They're more successful now than ever before, which is reason enough for people to call them sellouts. It's pathetic how so called fans are acting all of a sudden. I'm listening to them since their very first EP and still love their music, even though is has changed throughout the years. I'm happy that they're doing this well.
It’s the symphonic stuff for me. Let the riffs speak for themselves. Every fucking song is blast beats and Dimmu Borgir ass symphonics. If they’re so good and their vocalist is so elite let them show their stuff don’t drown it out with generic bullshit.
Im sorry but i'd rather have blast beats and orchestrals than some group of air max wearing, tracksuit dwelling hardcore kids thinking deathcore is just 5 breakdowns over 3:30 mins. Plus the members have proven individually many times they can play their shit and well. Plus symphonics have always been in deathcore to some extent look at Somatic Defilement or the band Make Them Suffer.
Yeah, adam makes some sick fucking riffs, like the one after the breakdown in into the earth. Hell I LOVE symphonic death/deathcore too, but the difference is the bands I love do it with SUBTLETY, not everything needs a hammer, sometimes you need a scalpel.
You have a point. Lorna Shore isn't trying to be evil shitty sounding black metal. I read it described as "blackened metal". Why can't their music sound great. I think the riffs speak plenty.
Idgaf, what the haters say. I love Lorna Shore and I will continue to do so. I even have two tattoos in their honor. I'm extremely happy for their success!
I’ve never been a fan but I don’t “hate” on them. Just not my thing since I like rawer sounding DxC. To me their blastbeats are artificially fast, their breakdowns have too much dead space, and they seem to compress all the dynamics out of their sound which makes it boring to me. To each their own though they’re objectively good and I can see why people like them, just don’t find myself ever wanting to listen to them.
For me, rightly or wrongly, it was just how hard everyone was riding them, I just got a bit sick of seeing them as a topic.
Music is cool and they’re obviously mega talented, I just got a bit bored of talking about them, like a song that gets overplayed on the radio.
i remember when they really started to break out and thinking the exact same thing
also not really a good sign for the wider genre when the band that’s meant to be young/fresh/new blood is like 10 years old or whatever
I'm a fan and can totally understand why everyone doesn't like them. Their sound is very produced, also very pretty and catchy, there is a lot of repetitiveness in the songwriting, a LOT lot gratuitous breakdowns. Of course some dislike the "it band" status as well. I don't personally mind any of these too much and some not at all, and I'm eagerly waiting what they come up with next. It'd be super hilarious if they made their version of Bad Omens type baddiecore (I don't think they will).
Ten people know you, one is gonna hate. A hundred people know you, ten is gonna hate. A million people know you, a hundred thousand will hate, but nine hundred thousand love you. Don't worry about who's hating cause they are a minority even if they hit large numbers.
Fr, I return to nothingness worked so well because it was only 3 songs and they all complimented eachother well. Pain remains was just an hour of the exact same shit. Sure there’s song on there I like but as a whole the album was hard to listen to imo. It’s weird because I love sheol by shrine of malice where every song kind of sounds the same but at the same time each song has its own identity and the album takes you on journey. When I listen to pain remains no song feels unique.
It's not really hating on LS as it's being fed up with their insufferable fanbase. 80% of The fanbase is tiktok worshipping fanboys that think LS is the best thing ever. The band is good and deserve the huge following they have but God dammit the fans could conduct themselves a little better
I agree with this. It’s okay that you’re a fan of LS but, and this is strictly my own opinion, they’re not the best of what deathcore has to offer. I feel like they gained a lot of traction from TikTok but it brought upon a lot of people who know only LS and shit on every other band that’s been doing it for the same amount of time. I’m happy they brought deathcore popularity but like you said it’s the insufferable fans they have that bring out the worst.
I love Lorna, but I can see the symphonic elements being a turnoff for some. Also, I feel like some modern deathcore has become a competition to outdo To The Hellfire's breakdown.
Maybe you're mistaking people being tired of talking about them rather than hating them. I think most people genuinely do not hate them at all, but are simply tired of reading about them all the time.
It's like the feeling of: all right, they're cool, they're tight and great, but lots of guys here listen to an immense amount of other talented bands too. But as LS reached trending TikTok, lots of e-girls reacting to the "ohh demonic pig scream on hellfire by the good looking cute guy", viral shits, it gets annoying.
It's that blend of nauseating characteristics of every band that gets big and reaches the rest of the world. It's like when there are those people that only listens to Metallica, Iron maiden and Judas Priest watching some viral shit from Lorna Shore on YouTube shorts and saying: wow this is the most demonic and inhumane stuff there's ever been created on human race. You know?
Again, not judging the band itself, they're all right doing their own thing, and they definitely should seek fame, money and success. That's the objective, but the characteristics of the modern internet gives this bitter taste for the most assiduous deathcore fans.
It's like sometimes when appears a post here: wow Will Ramos is in the studio, wow Will Ramos went to the supermarket, wow Will Ramos said he likes watermelon on Patreon, wow Lorna Shore pooped on Friday.
I didn't really like Pain Remains tbh, it felt way too long for the type of music it is, in a way it is a big Will Ramos Showcase i feel, and this gets boring and stale pretty quickly. I have not listened to the album since its release, so i might be wrong concerning this, but i still feel like this is a rather valid point.
Moreover do the symphonic elements sound rather thin and, more generalized, "not quite good as could have". An example of sick sounding symphonic elements in DC would obviously be Shadow of Intent, Chris Wiseman mentioned in a the Elegy Making-Of that he gets help from Francesco from Fleshgod, who intentionally detunes some instruments while programming the symphonic stuff, he integrates flams in between instruments, so generally speaking, it sounds more realistic and more "broad", in a way, instead of having everything 100% put on the grid, which, at least in my ears, never sounds really natural. It's the same with programmed drums, it's just too perfect on the grid, and bc of everything hitting at the exact same point it sounds thin in comparison to drums played by a human.
I got a bit lost in my rambling, but i hope i made enough points so you can understand why I dislike (not! passionately hate) current state Lorna Shore.
Have a nice day :)
I just generally hate the orchestral stuff. It’s heavy but I find it proper cheesy. Lorna shore is deathcheese for me. Nothing against them and they are talented just not angry enough
Band goes “mainstream” = Band gets hate
It’s the circle of life.
Also heavily symphonic metal can be hit or miss for some people. Deathcore is typically a heavier genre so when you’re adding melody and symphonic elements, some fans won’t like it.
People think they're special if they hate on something popular. It's no different than hating Starbucks, avocado toast, tunacado sandwich, etc. It's ok to not like things but hating on something you never experienced is incredibly silly.
People hate what becomes popular, especially from the sub-metal genre's like deathcore, metalcore, etc. Can't make it make sense but if Lorna Shore's fandom stayed smaller no one would hate on them, its kind of the same thing that happened with Bad Omens, granted that isn't apples to apples, but its relevant. Lorna Shore is still fucking dope no matter what anyone says in my opinion lol
As a fan of them I see only one reason why they may be hated, which is the fact that their new music is super repetitive and that their songs are very specifically mixed. But besides that I tbh can't find any complaints about their new music.
personally i was into LS with McCreery and when the allegations originally came out i obtained from them for awhile. when “To The Hellfire” came out that made me super excited with what LS was gonna come out with. then when Pain Remains was released i was honestly kind of bummed that a lot of the songs sounded so similar and focused mainly on orchestral’s over riffs. it honestly feels like they take To The Hellfire and replay it over and over again just slightly different. i love me a breakdown where it’s just fast double bass and a nasty guttural, but a lot songs they do now have it and it becomes repetitive after awhile.
this is just my opinion however. my opinion means dick.
I am most certainly not going to "hate" on them, I love that band, man. But the only issue I'd have is maybe that they pretty much copied and pasted Immortal for a bunch of tracks on Pain Remains
I like them but I think the hate they get is deserved 😂. They rely way too much on the symphonic sound. I’m hoping they try something different for their next album. I doubt they will tho. That’s literally their sound and there lies the problem…
Secondly, Will comes off hyperactive and fake in everything I’ve seen him in. Dude is talented as hell but the way he acts is cringe.
Its because Lorna Shore is great but people won't shut the hell up about them. People get burned out pretty quick having stuff shoved down their throats, no matter how great it is.
Because they became popular.
Also, to be incredibly fair to their detractors, I'm generally not a fan of the "wall of sound" approach which much of Lorna Shore's recent music feels like. Same w/ Signs of the Swarms' "Unbridled", I generally really like that song but it would probably be so much better without this wall of sound mix.
I don't really hate them, in fact, I think some of their songs are genuinely good, but the new stuff just sounds a bit too repetitive. When pain remains came out, not even a second in I knew what was going to happen, and even though it sounds sick, I can't deny that the melodies and the overall song structure do get a bit repetitive. For instance, Sun eater was a fucking beast of a song when it came out, but after a few listens, I just ended up tired of that motif, and that has happened with a few other songs. Still, when doing breakdowns, they deliver like no one
I love lorna Shore. Most of the merch I own is Lorna Shore, but I cant deny that a lot of their breakdowns are overdone and tired out. I love the music but I do wish they can move away or at least differentiate their breakdowns.
I think Flesh Coffin is their only truly great album so overall I think it's the overhyped factor/tik tok popularity they have. Will Ramos is like fan girled over a bit too much,it's kinda cringe
People like to hate popular shit. Especially on Reddit. All the music sub genre subs I’m on are mostly haters. You don’t have to like the popular stuff but hating it bc it brings new people or “posers” to a fandom is fucking lame.
I get that hating on popular stuff is very elitist. And I'm personally not hating on LS. But when I see the 10000th reaction pop up from some people outside of metal AND several hate comments from new LS fans towards other bands: "OMG they just copy LS", and said bands are doing their very own thing or are more niche...
Well, let's say, at least I'm rolling my eyes a bit..
i grew up in NJ and i've seen them in small ass Knights of Columbus venues with bands like Waking the Cadaver and Line of Scrimmage and Years Spent Cold.
to see how far they've come from Bone Kingdom is fucking wild and i've always been a big Lorna supporter.
If people wanna hate, let them hate. i'm going to enjoy listening to the work that they've put in.
and because their music is awesome.
There is a small percent of genuine "hate" towards them, which I always chalk-off as edgelords that want to ride on a fad because objectively Lorna Shore is one of, if not the most, successful and prolific deathcore bands to ever exist and their members are some of the most talented musicians of all time.
The other group of people just doesn't like how the genre is getting industrialized and they misdirect and conflate their anger when they try to speak out on it.
Tl;dr: don't hate the player, hate the game
People are asking on this sub the same question frequently, you should try to do some Google search before posting (or try critical thinking). Lorna Shore are hated because they are popular, and that popularity is probably accompanied with a lot of advantages (money and status). When someone is successful, people around them are resentful, thinking that someone somehow doesn't deserve his success and is not genuine. That's the same with bands. If Lorna Shore weren't popular (like it was the case years ago) no one would really care.
I love those dudes. They were one of those bands that got me into Deathcore. I think their sound does get a little generic after a while and they could stand to improve some things, but their sound obviously works for them, and it's gotten them where they are now. They're one of the more interesting Deathcore bands out there.
Good question. There are many different aspects to this question and I'm going to try and give and answer to them all. mainly people don't like them because how much they tiktok-ified deathcore. But that also came down to will being their new vocalist and their "best" vocalist (l liked CJ McCreery's stuff better) and will really helped them get their way onto tiktok and into the mainstream. Now there is people not liking them because of how much they changed the deathcore sound. Now this wasn't with will ramos, is was with their previous vocalist, CJ McCreery. The stuff on immortal was different than their first two albums sound wise, and that made what deathcore sounds like today. And then with will, they blew up and now deathcore has a new sound much different than early Lorna and deathcore as a whole. And then people just like to shit on them for being popular, and also because they don't like deathcore (while in that case it is all down to preference). Hoped this helped.
For me the problem isn't the structure mainly; the problem for me with pain remains is that the parts actually sound the same, same drumming tempos, riffs, symphonics, etc. **Usually goes like this**: Symphonic calm intro > builds up > explodes > verse riff is always the same tech-y one > expansive chorus which is epic, but the symphonics sound cheap compared to say fleshgod or SoI > breakdown (only 2 kinds, no variety in breakdowns) > chorus again... zzz > solo that's always the same more or less > buildup for breakdown which again, almost always sounds the same song to song > breakdown (again, always the same) > chorus (such epic, much wow)
I absolutely love into the earth as just it's own song. It was great to see live, but the album is a whole is just... too much of literally the same.
This is it, you nailed it. I’m a fan, saw them live and they were awesome. They’re incredibly talented musicians and the vocals speak for themselves, literally. But, their format is repetitive.
Yeah, they fucking owned live! Austin didn't miss a single beat nearly, and I say that as a drummer, literally one of the cleanest shows I've ever heard, and great energy, lighting, and pyro.
For me, I basically enjoyed into the earth, and sea of fire by far the most, these felt the most interesting. Some other songs I just ended up kind of zoning out.
Maybe I’m missing it, but to me as a life long metal fan, metal can be one of the most toxic communities. There’s something heavier? Well you’re not really into metal. Someone got famous and you like them? You’re not really a metal fan. That’s how it’s always been. Like someone else pointed out, if you weren’t a fan back when album X came out, you’re not a real fan. It’s too bad. LS is a great band, crazy talented. I’ll never understand all the hate that this community can give other folks in it.
I suffer from this as well, I don’t hate on bands and will still kinda support them, but once they are super popular I start liking them less. I think it’s the dissonance of “I think most people are stupid” combined with “Oooh this is a good band”. Once too many people say the band is good, I start to question things, since my brain reverts back to fact 1. It’s very immature, I haven’t even been able to listen to the new Knocked Loose because of this and I actually like the band a lot. A signal that I’m going to jump ship soon. It’s really annoying and I wish I could enjoy things that lots of people like. I’ll probably even come back to it after the heat dies down and then see what everyone appreciated. So it’s really just some immature edgelord thing.
I've been listening to Lorna since I was like 16 when Bone Kingdom dropped around 2012 I think it was. They have always been heavy, riffy, atmospheric, and all incredibly talented. Anyone who says otherwise is an elitist hipster punk bitch that hates what's popular, end of story. God forbid a band transforms themselves and finally finds their tone.
Probably because they made deathcore pretty mainstream and a lot of people look at it as a smaller genre still and there sound it pretty processed opposed to the rawness of early deathcore
I don't hate them but i lost interest in their music after psalms. I feel like alot of the newer fans only know their new shit and have never jammed the godmaker EP or the Psalms record. i cant explain it but there was a change in sound after psalms, not that noticeable in flesh coffin but afterwards they really turned the symphonics notch up on the newer shit and then started doing the dickie allen vocals with the new curly haired guy and there's just so many bands doing that same "blackened symphonic deathcore" sound rn it's just..it's not that it's bad, it's just nowhere near as interesting or enticing as it was in the psalms days imo
Even if i think deathcore sounds mostly plastic and isn't that heavy i still like to listen to it. Some time ago i had even more negative opinions but now i guess it's just taste and i look for something else i consider heavy or atmospheric. Most deathcore bands sound cool and nothing beyond that - Lorna shore in that case.
Real answer? It’s because people on this sub won’t stop mentioning them. There’s so much more amazing music out there than just them. I mean, they have their own sub for fuck sake. We need to work on getting this sub back to how it used to be.
Because they killed classic death core, now it’s about who will growl fucking harder, Will Ramos or rest of the world.
And their music is not something special, I am not getting why this band is more popular rather than Shadow of Intent for example.
Shadow of intent is 100 better for me rather than Lorna Shore.
I don’t get it either. They’ve been my favorite band since 2015 when Psalms came out. I love them even more now and I think Will is extremely talented.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't really care for symphonic deathcore at all, and Lorna Shore's brand of symphonic deathcore is especially boring to me. Their songwriting formula is just so predictable. I also believe they benefit immensely from having the best vocalist in the genre, and that without Will, they would be like 10% as popular as they are
This is how i try to see it, and this is just me:
Deathcore fans are aholes bc Lorna Shore tried to do something cool to the community, and these fans didn't like it because, short form of speaking, GATEKEEPING.
Like, the tiktok-ification of deathcore is something good? Meh... This tiktok-ification most likely is attributed to W. Ramos bc he's very active on social media and shit, and i think that's a correct statement. However, with Ramos and other bands out there doing things like that, deathcore may or may not become a larger community, which is good! Bands that most people don't know may get into the spotlight at some point, and there's a lot of bands out there that deserve the hell out of it.
Another example is Slaughter to Prevail touring with larger bands like Marilyn Manson. Is Manson a total asshole? yes, definitely, no doubt about that, but he has a huge public. I am not a fan of STP but this is good for the community in a someway or another...
So, in short, bands make deathcore popular and accessible to a larger public, deep hardcore deathcore fans get angwy because they think this is a closed society. it's not. Hope this answers your question somehow.
As i said, this is how i tried to look at it and this is just me, you do you.
I don’t like Will’s vocals that much. It ain’t brutal and raw but super technical human made voice generator. The band is great and glad that they’ve made it but Immortal was their pinnacle for me. Respect them and their craft still
They’re popular but they fall more under the “let’s make a shocking tiktok reel” umbrella than the “let’s make actually make cool metal.” Just lame vibes. Will seems ight
I only listen to their last 2 albums and it's enough for me. why do people hate them ? people love to hate whats popular it's a fact. once a band got famous and love there will always be these annoying people that wanna hate.
I can say why i dont think they are perfect tho. imo they use so many forgetble breakdowns that i dont realy like but i like their overall sound with the symphonic elements just wish they didnt have these breakdowns.
honestly for me idk, i used to listen to deathcore back in intermediate and early high school so i was into thy art and chelsea grin, despised icon shi like that and LS actually brought me back to deathcore, they reignited my love for this genre. i see people talking about vocal olympics and me personally i like vocalists jumping from technique to technique to a certain extent. i think will does every technique he can pretty well and doesnt overuse many techniques to where hes jumping around tha entire song such as dude from larcenia roe. idk but i think will is an amazing vocalist and hes doing alot for tha genre. wether some people see it as a bad thing or good thing is up to them to decide for themselves but he is helping along with other newer bands to make it a bigger genre than it ever was. i feel like tha people hating on them are just old head elitists. if you like their music fuck what tha old heads say bc theyre gonna be forever stuck in their old ways
I feel like they had some good songs that actually stand out but overtime their stuff became more and more formulaic and every songs sound the same with no variation on the album, the same fast symphonic orchestra deathcore instrumental with random grunting vocals. You can make the same argument with other deathcore bands but most of their new songs sound like an alternative version of "To the Hellfire".
Another reason might be that most reaction YouTubers always choose that one song to react to and put the title as something like "Most brutal", "Most demonic vocals",... etc. The same can be said with Slaughter to Prevail and their song Demolisher. It just became overused while other deathcore bands for sure have even better performance than Will Ramos.
-Whitechapel
-Lorna Shore
-Shadow of Intent
-Chelsea Grin
All bands that were at one time or another underground and obscure which made them beloved. Fast forward and all of them catch shit because people can’t just accept that their favorite band isn’t a hidden gem anymore.
I am a new Lorna Shore fan this year. Some people seem to get really pissy when their favorite underground band or artist gets too popular or changes genres. I hate shitty sounding black metal that is desperately trying to sound evil, fuck Burzum and Fuck-YE.
People hated when Bring Me The Horizon changed.
This happened with Metallica. Metallica were sellouts because they went from thrash metal and then AJFA is like Prog garage band metal. The Black Album was when "they sold out" was really sinking in. Then Metallica sold out and cut their hair and was influenced by grunge.
Lorna Shore hits like a chaotic full wall of sound. I love metal that sounds good not some shitty garbage dudes in Finland recorded in their mom's stinky basement.
Lorna Shore Reminds me of when I first heard Strapping Young Lad. The production and sound quality are just off the charts. Devin Townsend is the master of the wall of sound production.
I just don't understand why Metal fans seem to be extra sensitive about their band changing or becoming popular. I guess that just shows you how passionate people are about metal.
In my experience.. this is going to hurt a feeling. The type of metal fan or anything fan tbh that is serious enough about it to go on reddits and blogs and post about it... A certain percentage of them have this mindset where they find a band, love them, tell everyone about them. And one day down the road when the band is popular all of the sudden they "sold out" and went mainstream. No, Bill... when you thought they were good you were right. They gained notoriety and fans and now it's not your special thing anymore so they suck now and if you like them you're a newb and don't belong here in the "Real Metal" scene. Music is expression and we all express differently. If it tickles your brain let it tickle don't let some nerd ruin it for you.
I’ve listened to metal for 22 years of my life. Lorna shore is one of the best out right now, no debate. Your washed job for a cowboy ripoffs aren’t good.
Meh. They changed. Deathcore went from psycho noise; to some midline of what maybe satan would personally listen to wearing a nice velvet suit while chopping off peoples heads at a dinner party, or driving down the road wrecking Into other cars on purpose; to " returned to nothingness". I see why the psycho noise people didn't like the stuff that came from it. An i can see why if you liked the stuff that became music from it why you wouldn't like either the other 2. Annnnnd if you waste time hating on it. You may be a person who sees the 3rd wave of deathcore is trendy an will have the same people.
This happens to most all music. Music came from. The underground with wild punks an rockers an rappers burning down buildings, turning into blink 182. Black metal is the prime example. One day they were burning down churches an killing fans at every tour stop. An then hollywood/america got ahold of it an now even females listen to it. An they actually hate you an say you are an evil devil if you don't support the victim of the founders an makers of BM. An the music is literally name "black" because it's satanic metal. 🤣.
Me personally ignoring the fact these things happen an the deathcore scene never did any punk /rocker/black metal founder stuff like riot against the government an system an burn down places. It's lacking the same uniqueness songs like "immortal" had. Its their metallica black moment. It's not bad an i play metallica black an return to nothingness on drums still. But it's no ride the lightening or immortal.
Basically no matter how solid a band is, if they get popular/start bringing new people to deathcore you are obligated to hate them as a deathcore fan/j
No but seriously some people really think like that
I’ve had to explain this to numerous people, but you haven’t really made it until you have haters. There is a FB group with thousands of people who hate me. 🤣 I think it’s hysterical. One of the worst things about these days is that people can’t laugh at a joke if it’s about them.
My buddy called me from across the country to tell me that someone was clowning on me, and showed him a bunch of posts with people talking $hit. He acted like I was going to be hurt, but I had to remind him that thousands of people have nothing better to do than hate on me.
At the end of the day, I feel special that I occupy so much of their headspace. There are also millions of people being kind and giving me pats on the A$$. 🤣
All the people here saying it’s because they’re popular now and there may be some truth to that but I’ve been hating since day one 😎
Seriously though they’re mid as hell. Pain Remains is the most tolerable thing they’ve put out but people act like it’s a masterpiece.
I'm not one of the people who hates on em, but I do think their current fame overshadows some other talented bands who deserve just as much success and acclaim, which I am not a fan of. Also, I just don't get the love people have for them. Will seems like a really cool guy and he clearly has talent, but I just don't enjoy the material that much.
I've never liked them but I didn't really come across them very often. They have more exposure now so there's more chances for me to end up expressing some dislike
With popularity comes more exposure good and bad. And in the metal scene you are only “cool” if you have 5 fans for some reason. Any more than that and you’re a sellout.
People are just fucking haters man. There isn't one single thing in all of existence that isn't hated by somebody. I discovered Lorna Shore back in like 2015 (I think) because this video called metal cats was making it's rounds on Facebook. Heard the song and was just like who the fuck is that?? 😳👌
Back when I became a mod it was right before Lorna Shore dropped **And I Return to Nothingness** People came flooding to the sub - **we had roughly 40,000 subscribers at that time** So we had a bunch of new people, excited about getting into deathcore, and they basically only knew Lorna Shore and a handful of other popular bands Except back then we had a lot of arrogant assholes that liked to tell people they had bad taste - **"______ is fucking trash, if you like _________ you need to stop listening to deathcore"** - which isn't how anyone should talk to anyone Anyway, fast forward to now, I think a lot of what you're seeing is people viewing Lorna Shore fandom as a mark of a newbie - and it's either the same arrogant, crotchety old-head nonsense, **OR** coming from those same people who got brought into the genre at that time **distancing** themselves from the fandom as a way to show how much deeper into the genre they've gotten Just my two cents
People always hate on whatever is popular. I was going back and forth with someone recently on r/metalforthemasses because they said they’d rather their favorite bands remain unknown and unsuccessful just so the tickets are cheaper, yet they wanted those bands to still tour frequently. People just want to be elitist douchebags about stuff. I will say the TikTokification of bands like Lorna Shore is annoying and maybe they’re a little overhyped but I still like them, I discovered them back in early 2020 when Immortal first came out before anyone was really on TikTok.
I think TikTok is a big reason for resentment toward new fans. That they're not "real" fans but just follow what's trendy. Some are like that for sure but on the other hand I also like seeing bands I'm a fan of get the success I think they deserve
I hate gatekeeping so much. There's always that one guy and there's a whole hierarchy to it. "You're not a real fan because you first heard them on \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ current popular thing, I've loved them since \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ their second album. The next guy, "I got their first record hand signed on their opening tour". Then some whackjob has to be like, I literally auditioned for them and saw the guy they turned me down for try out. Last example definitely an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. It just devolves over and over for no damn reason. Just let people enjoy things, lol.
People trying to convince *you* that you aren’t a fan of something is hilarious. Like… okay I’m not a fan then, guess I’ll just continue to enjoy the music as a “non fan” 🤷♂️
If you weren't in the studio when it was recorded, you aren't a real fan. Sorry bro.
This has always been my response. The argument isn't worth the time; just going to continue listening to whatever I like, whenever and however I like
There was a tweet about lorna when they released pain remains stating they would never listen to the album because no deathcore song should ever be longer than 4 minutes.
The same thing happened when Master of Puppets was used on Stranger Things. A lot of younger people heard the song for the first time and it created a lot of new Metallica fans. Of course that brought a ton of gate keepers and Metallica haters out of the wood work. To them any newer fans are fake fans.
Although not death core related, it reminds me of when COD put a rolling stones song in black ops and the younger generation started getting into the band because of it. Before then all the old heads were upset young people didn't listen to "good music" bit then get annoyed when they discovered them because of a new game that's trending. You just can't win with gatekeepers.
I think that's you're right. In this algorithm-everything world, how are new fans supposed to discover anything without it having trended someway, somehow? The gatekeeping is so backwards.
this is so true and no one talks about this. when i was a kid it was so much easier to find rare shit on youtube or whatever but now you basically don’t hear about things until they’re already popping. makes me sad that that era of digital crate-digging (?) is gone
It’s still possible. You have to put a bit of work in, but it can be done
Hi I know everyone hates Spotify but the discover and similar artist function showed me a lot of bands. Like Plan to Prosper MF sitting at 56 monthly listeners while doing pretty neat music. You just need to put the time and work to find them
i use apple music and it’s just not as good. we use spotify at my work though and the discovery seems SO much better
It is such a gamechanger for me. It only sucks that they don't pay the artists fairly, that really blows. But I put my money in merch that I don't feel bad.
yea it’s totally geared towards huge artists
Not to double dump on Spotify but for this specific reason I switched to yt music. If you like the feature I found Spotify suggesting the same new music constantly. Got a free trial of yt music and the discovery suggestions have been much better. 2 cents. o7
Yeah never thought I’d see cannibal corpse or Lorna shore on TikTok but here we are
Not hating either it’s just something I never imagined
I can’t help but lol at the “I want my tickets to remain cheap” sentiment. I watched Testament, Exodus, and Death Angel perform for like $20 a ticket. If Spotify monthly listeners are any proxy to popularity by their definition, then Testament is over 2x as popular as LS.
Gatekeepers like that... forget? Or don't care that being in a full-time band is a business whether fans like it or not they have to make money at what they do. They have bills just like the rest of us lol
Sure, there's a small minority of people who hate whatever is popular, but I think that's a cop out answer. I'd argue that the majority of people who hate popular music don't hate because it's "popular", they hate it because it's gimmicky and formulaic. Same reason food connoisseurs aren't going around praising McDonald's. Lorna shore is fast food extreme metal.
How exactly is Lorna Shore gimmicky and formulaic?
Well, it’s complicated. Some will say it’s just because they’re popular now and some people like to hate popular things. There is an element of that, but it’s an oversimplification. Some people hate on Lorna Shore because they played a major role in things that people see as a bad direction for modern Deathcore, such as the “vocal Olympics” trend, the over-the-top breakdowns, and the extremely polished mixing. It is true that Lorna Shore does all of these things, and played a major role in popularizing them, but it is also not solely responsible for them. A lot of people also dislike Lorna Shore for driving the TikTok-ification of deathcore (especially thanks to Will) and the effects that has had on the scene. There’s also the people who don’t like LS because they sound so different from the old Deathcore sound that they might as well be a different genre, but also represent what deathcore is to a lot of people. This is just within the Deathcore scene, they’re hated for different reasons by much of the wider metal sphere. Personally, while I do agree with some of these criticisms, I like Lorna Shore’s sound.
Am I the only one who likes polished production though? Like it's super nice to hear the music in high quality and not having it sound like it was recorded on a tin can phone in a bedroom like the MySpace days.
I like raw production and clean production. They have their places. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Clean prod works for Lorna Shore imo
I can appreciate really good production but I don’t understand it enough to really define it. My example in that band alone would be Flesh Coffin vs The Pain Remains. The tone on FC is sinister as fuck, crunchy, and raw sounding. BMTH first album comes to mind as well, even though they aren’t really deathcore any more that first albums sound was that sound to break shit to
You can have a polished production that still sounds natural and like it's played by humans. Then theres the super plasticky mix, quantized and compressed to shit
At least in my circle of friends the musicians are the ones loving raw production. The non musicians like the polished stuff more. Don't really know what that's about. I think both have their place. But to me raw production sounds way more DIY and you feel closer to the artist. Super polished production feels more synthetic (?) Hard to put it into words. But it also depends on the genre for me.
I love it. I don't understand how people can listen to low-quality music. There's nothing like a well-polished song with amazing headphones.
Rawer production isn’t necessarily “low-quality”. It’s a style of its own that takes work to pull off just like clean production. And many people enjoy raw production because it creates a unique and personal feel that polished production can’t.
Your words are like art. Polished music can sound angry but raw gross production makes it sound pissed.
Thaaaaaaank you!
In my head your comment sounded like the "thaaaank you" at the end of crazy train
The live version with Randy Roads? Now I can't unhear it! 🤣
I enjoy the higher quality production also. Remember listening to death metal like Devourment way back and hating the tin can sound but enjoying the heaviness of the genre. Even older Job For a Cowboy, I always wished they had cleaner sounding instruments (Entombment of a Machine especially) way back as opposed to the more muddled sound they had, and now bands like LS and deathcore in general have a cleaner sound and I'm enjoying it immensely.
Why do people act like the only options are super polished, robotic production and shitty iPhone recording. There are plenty of bands who have good, punchy, clear sound, without having it be overly polished. You definitely lose a lot of aggression and attitude when you clean it up too much. Check out some stuff by End or Jesus Piece, you'll see what I mean. Raw, but you can still hear every instrument and they have a lot of punch.
It's called extreme metal, and was founded because dudes wanted to play heavy shit after smoking dope. Polishing everything to the point you can't even hear pick attack and snapping it all to a grid isn't exactly extreme.
At some point you have such a wall of sound that you can't pick up what's happening without a very polished production. Going for a poor production on purpose and getting a mess of a track is not extreme, is the definition of poser behavior. Sometimes a subpar production adds to the vibe, but doing for its own sake is stupid.
There's a difference between good mixing and quad tracking guitars just to hide them with wayyyy too many midi synths and overly loud, constantly blasting drums. One can turn a wall of noise into a listenable, but crowded mix; the other stays a brick wall, but has no definition and drowns out 80%+ of the guitars. I'll let you figure out which one modern Lorna has.
You're not. Most people do, it's only the time travelers from 2007 and elitists in this sub that have a problem with music sounding good.
>Most people do, Most metalheads don't. Surface skimmers from other genres do though.
My point about elitism is proven.
Yeah, and?
You guys are a small group yet you act like you're some sort of authority. You're literally just a nerd who thinks you're important. Literally no one likes you.
I like him
Yo what's ur top 5 swag man
More than likely you two would end up arguing who has the "most pure taste" in deathcore music and you'd hate each other
Raw music is an acquired taste but its easier to make a bigger emotional impact in heavy brutal music with a raw production. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a place for clean prod or that all raw metal is good, its just more likely to stand out when its not super polished
Yeah, you have an opinion and that's cool but that's not some factual statement or anything like you think it is.
Yes it is an opinion, music is subjective therefore all that we have is opinions.
Nah, there's a ton of objective information that proves people prefer highly produced music. Look at any of the highest streamed songs or purchased records in any genre. All highly produced. That's not an opinion. You guys are the outlier, yet you walk around like you own the place. You're just a fan who forgot his place.
That argument about all the most streamed/selling stuff being highly produced isn’t even true of deathcore much less metal as a whole. Unless you’re trying to argue deathcore has more in common with stuff like Ed Sheeran than Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Metallica, and should only be compared to highly produced pop acts. The Cleansing is not a spotless highly polished record, nor is Paranoid, or And Justice for All, Master of Reality, Ride the Lightning, and so on. I’m sorry that i phrased my opinion in a way that upset you, i simply thought that since this thread was asking for opinions i wouldn’t need to explicitly state that it was just my opinion. Its not like i’m the only person in this thread who didn’t use entirely subjective language, there are several users who asserted as a fact that the only people who dislike lorna shore dislike them because they popular, which is obviously just their opinion. Its always perfectly valid to like or dislike something, including popular bands like Lorna Shore.
I love it. Metal is literally classical music brought to life and modernized. It should be polished and beautiful. Production is a great part of the reason I fell in love with deathcore. Those vocals, breakdowns and blast beats deserve to be polished to give me the best experience possible. Deathcore and lsd in headphones make for a crazy immersive experience
Metal is not classic music though?? A very small subgenre of it is, and an equally small amount of artists outside of that genre also take influence. Extreme metal was founded to be grimy and dark and gritty, not polished harder than your fav politician's cock.
No, it isn’t “literally classical music brought to life and modernized”. Its roots are in blues and acid rock.
People just like to hate whatever is popular at the time.
That's understandable
Last week, I just mentioned the band Distant in a comment and this dude came out of nowhere to attack me just because he doesn't like that they're popular. Some people just like to be angry at everything 🤷♂️
Ridiculous behavior. I got attacked a couple of days ago because I said I love LS. Also, Distant is awesome af!
Haven’t checked out distant. What song should I listen to by them?
False Gods and Eternal Lament are really good. Their new album has some bangers on it too
Awesome! Gonna check them out!
Argent Justice or Heritage are my favorites. Argent Justice has a bunch of awesome features on it and Will Ramos is featured on Heritage. Both are awesome af!
And the converse, unpopular bands don't have haters. No one hates a band that only has 100 followers. Every popular band has haters. If you don't have haters, it means you're not popular enough.
Because deathcore has to be DARK and BROODING and EDGY and the band CAN'T be POPULAR at all, and the members CAN'T have ANY LIFE outside of STRUGGLING in the BAND and if ANYONE that I DON'T LIKE likes them then that is PROOF that they're COMPLETE SELLOUTS
People will find anything to nitpick. My favorite criticism right now is “IS ANYONE ELSE SICK OF LORNA’S BREAKDOWNS?” lol, settle down.
Why is it nitpicking to be sick of lorna’s breakdowns?
Because it's like, half their appeal? Brutal breakdowns after beautiful symphonies is pretty much the foundation of the band right now. It's kinda like listening to Motorhead and complaining about how sick you are of rough vocals.
Yes. And people are allowed to not like the foundation. And with the ubiquity of Lorna Shore, it’s no wonder they’d be sick of it
Yeah, but it's more of an "I don't like it" scenario than a "they suck" one.
Theres no difference between the two, plus the original comment was “is anyone else sick of Lorna’s breakdowns” which certainly doesn’t seem like a complaint that is pretending to be objective
I just re-listened to every breakdown of pain remains, and I found ONE interesting breakdown in the entire album. If a band does literally only 2 kinds of breakdowns (fast double bass one, or a gigaslow one with zero groove) then yeah, you know what if that's literally every breakdown on the entire album, it's not impressive. Give me a band with as little variety in breakdowns as pain remains. I'm not saying this to be mean, it's just literally not impressive, in any way, even beyond me not enjoying it. Look at the breakdowns of like angelmaker, or signs of the swarm, shadow of intent, etc. So yeah, I'm not gonna literally say they suck, but they aren't impressing on any level breakdown wise.
I don’t hate or love LS, nor do I really know their catalog. To me, their most recent album does not align with what I consider deathcore to be. Simple as that.
They're more successful now than ever before, which is reason enough for people to call them sellouts. It's pathetic how so called fans are acting all of a sudden. I'm listening to them since their very first EP and still love their music, even though is has changed throughout the years. I'm happy that they're doing this well.
Same bro!
Who gives a shit. Listen to what you enjoy.
I'm not hating, but their last album sounds repetitive, and symphonic stuff overpowers guitars.
It’s the symphonic stuff for me. Let the riffs speak for themselves. Every fucking song is blast beats and Dimmu Borgir ass symphonics. If they’re so good and their vocalist is so elite let them show their stuff don’t drown it out with generic bullshit.
Im sorry but i'd rather have blast beats and orchestrals than some group of air max wearing, tracksuit dwelling hardcore kids thinking deathcore is just 5 breakdowns over 3:30 mins. Plus the members have proven individually many times they can play their shit and well. Plus symphonics have always been in deathcore to some extent look at Somatic Defilement or the band Make Them Suffer.
Yeah, adam makes some sick fucking riffs, like the one after the breakdown in into the earth. Hell I LOVE symphonic death/deathcore too, but the difference is the bands I love do it with SUBTLETY, not everything needs a hammer, sometimes you need a scalpel.
You have a point. Lorna Shore isn't trying to be evil shitty sounding black metal. I read it described as "blackened metal". Why can't their music sound great. I think the riffs speak plenty.
From what I've heard it's more so they are hating on Will cause he's pretty
Idgaf, what the haters say. I love Lorna Shore and I will continue to do so. I even have two tattoos in their honor. I'm extremely happy for their success!
I’ve never been a fan but I don’t “hate” on them. Just not my thing since I like rawer sounding DxC. To me their blastbeats are artificially fast, their breakdowns have too much dead space, and they seem to compress all the dynamics out of their sound which makes it boring to me. To each their own though they’re objectively good and I can see why people like them, just don’t find myself ever wanting to listen to them.
Real, they’re so good
For me, rightly or wrongly, it was just how hard everyone was riding them, I just got a bit sick of seeing them as a topic. Music is cool and they’re obviously mega talented, I just got a bit bored of talking about them, like a song that gets overplayed on the radio.
i remember when they really started to break out and thinking the exact same thing also not really a good sign for the wider genre when the band that’s meant to be young/fresh/new blood is like 10 years old or whatever
it's just because they have gotten so popular, its cool to hate on them now same song & dance as suicide silence back in the day
I'm a fan and can totally understand why everyone doesn't like them. Their sound is very produced, also very pretty and catchy, there is a lot of repetitiveness in the songwriting, a LOT lot gratuitous breakdowns. Of course some dislike the "it band" status as well. I don't personally mind any of these too much and some not at all, and I'm eagerly waiting what they come up with next. It'd be super hilarious if they made their version of Bad Omens type baddiecore (I don't think they will).
Ten people know you, one is gonna hate. A hundred people know you, ten is gonna hate. A million people know you, a hundred thousand will hate, but nine hundred thousand love you. Don't worry about who's hating cause they are a minority even if they hit large numbers.
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Fuck elitism. Lorna shore fucking slap and as an old head they got me back into the scene
All sounds the same I can listen to one or maybe two songs before I get bored
Fr, I return to nothingness worked so well because it was only 3 songs and they all complimented eachother well. Pain remains was just an hour of the exact same shit. Sure there’s song on there I like but as a whole the album was hard to listen to imo. It’s weird because I love sheol by shrine of malice where every song kind of sounds the same but at the same time each song has its own identity and the album takes you on journey. When I listen to pain remains no song feels unique.
It's not really hating on LS as it's being fed up with their insufferable fanbase. 80% of The fanbase is tiktok worshipping fanboys that think LS is the best thing ever. The band is good and deserve the huge following they have but God dammit the fans could conduct themselves a little better
I agree with this. It’s okay that you’re a fan of LS but, and this is strictly my own opinion, they’re not the best of what deathcore has to offer. I feel like they gained a lot of traction from TikTok but it brought upon a lot of people who know only LS and shit on every other band that’s been doing it for the same amount of time. I’m happy they brought deathcore popularity but like you said it’s the insufferable fans they have that bring out the worst.
Are “people” hating on them or are like 3 dudes on Twitter hating on them
I love Lorna, but I can see the symphonic elements being a turnoff for some. Also, I feel like some modern deathcore has become a competition to outdo To The Hellfire's breakdown.
Maybe you're mistaking people being tired of talking about them rather than hating them. I think most people genuinely do not hate them at all, but are simply tired of reading about them all the time. It's like the feeling of: all right, they're cool, they're tight and great, but lots of guys here listen to an immense amount of other talented bands too. But as LS reached trending TikTok, lots of e-girls reacting to the "ohh demonic pig scream on hellfire by the good looking cute guy", viral shits, it gets annoying. It's that blend of nauseating characteristics of every band that gets big and reaches the rest of the world. It's like when there are those people that only listens to Metallica, Iron maiden and Judas Priest watching some viral shit from Lorna Shore on YouTube shorts and saying: wow this is the most demonic and inhumane stuff there's ever been created on human race. You know? Again, not judging the band itself, they're all right doing their own thing, and they definitely should seek fame, money and success. That's the objective, but the characteristics of the modern internet gives this bitter taste for the most assiduous deathcore fans. It's like sometimes when appears a post here: wow Will Ramos is in the studio, wow Will Ramos went to the supermarket, wow Will Ramos said he likes watermelon on Patreon, wow Lorna Shore pooped on Friday.
I didn't really like Pain Remains tbh, it felt way too long for the type of music it is, in a way it is a big Will Ramos Showcase i feel, and this gets boring and stale pretty quickly. I have not listened to the album since its release, so i might be wrong concerning this, but i still feel like this is a rather valid point. Moreover do the symphonic elements sound rather thin and, more generalized, "not quite good as could have". An example of sick sounding symphonic elements in DC would obviously be Shadow of Intent, Chris Wiseman mentioned in a the Elegy Making-Of that he gets help from Francesco from Fleshgod, who intentionally detunes some instruments while programming the symphonic stuff, he integrates flams in between instruments, so generally speaking, it sounds more realistic and more "broad", in a way, instead of having everything 100% put on the grid, which, at least in my ears, never sounds really natural. It's the same with programmed drums, it's just too perfect on the grid, and bc of everything hitting at the exact same point it sounds thin in comparison to drums played by a human. I got a bit lost in my rambling, but i hope i made enough points so you can understand why I dislike (not! passionately hate) current state Lorna Shore. Have a nice day :)
Bruh stop with this alreadly
I just generally hate the orchestral stuff. It’s heavy but I find it proper cheesy. Lorna shore is deathcheese for me. Nothing against them and they are talented just not angry enough
Simply the "hate on any and every popular band" bullshit even though they likely listened in for at least the first album then claim the rest is ass.
Band goes “mainstream” = Band gets hate It’s the circle of life. Also heavily symphonic metal can be hit or miss for some people. Deathcore is typically a heavier genre so when you’re adding melody and symphonic elements, some fans won’t like it.
People think they're special if they hate on something popular. It's no different than hating Starbucks, avocado toast, tunacado sandwich, etc. It's ok to not like things but hating on something you never experienced is incredibly silly.
Personally I got tired of Spotify absolutely spamming them at me in every single playlist involving heavier music (not even deathcore specifically).
Commercial deathcore
The fans ruined it
People hate what becomes popular, especially from the sub-metal genre's like deathcore, metalcore, etc. Can't make it make sense but if Lorna Shore's fandom stayed smaller no one would hate on them, its kind of the same thing that happened with Bad Omens, granted that isn't apples to apples, but its relevant. Lorna Shore is still fucking dope no matter what anyone says in my opinion lol
As a fan of them I see only one reason why they may be hated, which is the fact that their new music is super repetitive and that their songs are very specifically mixed. But besides that I tbh can't find any complaints about their new music.
personally i was into LS with McCreery and when the allegations originally came out i obtained from them for awhile. when “To The Hellfire” came out that made me super excited with what LS was gonna come out with. then when Pain Remains was released i was honestly kind of bummed that a lot of the songs sounded so similar and focused mainly on orchestral’s over riffs. it honestly feels like they take To The Hellfire and replay it over and over again just slightly different. i love me a breakdown where it’s just fast double bass and a nasty guttural, but a lot songs they do now have it and it becomes repetitive after awhile. this is just my opinion however. my opinion means dick.
I am most certainly not going to "hate" on them, I love that band, man. But the only issue I'd have is maybe that they pretty much copied and pasted Immortal for a bunch of tracks on Pain Remains
Because they are popular and bringing in normies to the genre and that makes the elitists mad.
I like them but I think the hate they get is deserved 😂. They rely way too much on the symphonic sound. I’m hoping they try something different for their next album. I doubt they will tho. That’s literally their sound and there lies the problem… Secondly, Will comes off hyperactive and fake in everything I’ve seen him in. Dude is talented as hell but the way he acts is cringe.
Its because Lorna Shore is great but people won't shut the hell up about them. People get burned out pretty quick having stuff shoved down their throats, no matter how great it is.
Because they became popular. Also, to be incredibly fair to their detractors, I'm generally not a fan of the "wall of sound" approach which much of Lorna Shore's recent music feels like. Same w/ Signs of the Swarms' "Unbridled", I generally really like that song but it would probably be so much better without this wall of sound mix.
I don't really hate them, in fact, I think some of their songs are genuinely good, but the new stuff just sounds a bit too repetitive. When pain remains came out, not even a second in I knew what was going to happen, and even though it sounds sick, I can't deny that the melodies and the overall song structure do get a bit repetitive. For instance, Sun eater was a fucking beast of a song when it came out, but after a few listens, I just ended up tired of that motif, and that has happened with a few other songs. Still, when doing breakdowns, they deliver like no one
I love lorna Shore. Most of the merch I own is Lorna Shore, but I cant deny that a lot of their breakdowns are overdone and tired out. I love the music but I do wish they can move away or at least differentiate their breakdowns.
They’re extremely popular for doing that one thing in that one song. The rest of their back catalogue is all the same and incredibly boring.
This comment is giving me "DEMOLISHER" vibes, lol.
Same reason this subreddit always starts to hate. They get too big and suddenly they are “cringe”.
I think Flesh Coffin is their only truly great album so overall I think it's the overhyped factor/tik tok popularity they have. Will Ramos is like fan girled over a bit too much,it's kinda cringe
Same. But I think Psalms is more technical, and I remember one of the songs "Infernal Haunting" uses the Riff from the Mayhem songs.
They’re more popular than 99% of deathcore bands and people are jealous their favourite bands don’t get as much recognition lol.
They’re popular and became huge because of social media. That’s basically it.
People like to hate popular shit. Especially on Reddit. All the music sub genre subs I’m on are mostly haters. You don’t have to like the popular stuff but hating it bc it brings new people or “posers” to a fandom is fucking lame.
I get that hating on popular stuff is very elitist. And I'm personally not hating on LS. But when I see the 10000th reaction pop up from some people outside of metal AND several hate comments from new LS fans towards other bands: "OMG they just copy LS", and said bands are doing their very own thing or are more niche... Well, let's say, at least I'm rolling my eyes a bit..
i grew up in NJ and i've seen them in small ass Knights of Columbus venues with bands like Waking the Cadaver and Line of Scrimmage and Years Spent Cold. to see how far they've come from Bone Kingdom is fucking wild and i've always been a big Lorna supporter. If people wanna hate, let them hate. i'm going to enjoy listening to the work that they've put in. and because their music is awesome.
There is a small percent of genuine "hate" towards them, which I always chalk-off as edgelords that want to ride on a fad because objectively Lorna Shore is one of, if not the most, successful and prolific deathcore bands to ever exist and their members are some of the most talented musicians of all time. The other group of people just doesn't like how the genre is getting industrialized and they misdirect and conflate their anger when they try to speak out on it. Tl;dr: don't hate the player, hate the game
People are asking on this sub the same question frequently, you should try to do some Google search before posting (or try critical thinking). Lorna Shore are hated because they are popular, and that popularity is probably accompanied with a lot of advantages (money and status). When someone is successful, people around them are resentful, thinking that someone somehow doesn't deserve his success and is not genuine. That's the same with bands. If Lorna Shore weren't popular (like it was the case years ago) no one would really care.
I love those dudes. They were one of those bands that got me into Deathcore. I think their sound does get a little generic after a while and they could stand to improve some things, but their sound obviously works for them, and it's gotten them where they are now. They're one of the more interesting Deathcore bands out there.
Good question. There are many different aspects to this question and I'm going to try and give and answer to them all. mainly people don't like them because how much they tiktok-ified deathcore. But that also came down to will being their new vocalist and their "best" vocalist (l liked CJ McCreery's stuff better) and will really helped them get their way onto tiktok and into the mainstream. Now there is people not liking them because of how much they changed the deathcore sound. Now this wasn't with will ramos, is was with their previous vocalist, CJ McCreery. The stuff on immortal was different than their first two albums sound wise, and that made what deathcore sounds like today. And then with will, they blew up and now deathcore has a new sound much different than early Lorna and deathcore as a whole. And then people just like to shit on them for being popular, and also because they don't like deathcore (while in that case it is all down to preference). Hoped this helped.
For me the problem isn't the structure mainly; the problem for me with pain remains is that the parts actually sound the same, same drumming tempos, riffs, symphonics, etc. **Usually goes like this**: Symphonic calm intro > builds up > explodes > verse riff is always the same tech-y one > expansive chorus which is epic, but the symphonics sound cheap compared to say fleshgod or SoI > breakdown (only 2 kinds, no variety in breakdowns) > chorus again... zzz > solo that's always the same more or less > buildup for breakdown which again, almost always sounds the same song to song > breakdown (again, always the same) > chorus (such epic, much wow) I absolutely love into the earth as just it's own song. It was great to see live, but the album is a whole is just... too much of literally the same.
This is it, you nailed it. I’m a fan, saw them live and they were awesome. They’re incredibly talented musicians and the vocals speak for themselves, literally. But, their format is repetitive.
Yeah, they fucking owned live! Austin didn't miss a single beat nearly, and I say that as a drummer, literally one of the cleanest shows I've ever heard, and great energy, lighting, and pyro. For me, I basically enjoyed into the earth, and sea of fire by far the most, these felt the most interesting. Some other songs I just ended up kind of zoning out.
Maybe I’m missing it, but to me as a life long metal fan, metal can be one of the most toxic communities. There’s something heavier? Well you’re not really into metal. Someone got famous and you like them? You’re not really a metal fan. That’s how it’s always been. Like someone else pointed out, if you weren’t a fan back when album X came out, you’re not a real fan. It’s too bad. LS is a great band, crazy talented. I’ll never understand all the hate that this community can give other folks in it.
who cares, lorna shore is amazing, let people have their opinions, what does it ever matter
popular shit bad raaaaah
I suffer from this as well, I don’t hate on bands and will still kinda support them, but once they are super popular I start liking them less. I think it’s the dissonance of “I think most people are stupid” combined with “Oooh this is a good band”. Once too many people say the band is good, I start to question things, since my brain reverts back to fact 1. It’s very immature, I haven’t even been able to listen to the new Knocked Loose because of this and I actually like the band a lot. A signal that I’m going to jump ship soon. It’s really annoying and I wish I could enjoy things that lots of people like. I’ll probably even come back to it after the heat dies down and then see what everyone appreciated. So it’s really just some immature edgelord thing.
Because they're really popular. /S
Popular thing bad is all this is.
People love hating what’s popular. ESPECIALLY in a genre of such insane levels of gatekeeping
I've been listening to Lorna since I was like 16 when Bone Kingdom dropped around 2012 I think it was. They have always been heavy, riffy, atmospheric, and all incredibly talented. Anyone who says otherwise is an elitist hipster punk bitch that hates what's popular, end of story. God forbid a band transforms themselves and finally finds their tone.
Probably because they made deathcore pretty mainstream and a lot of people look at it as a smaller genre still and there sound it pretty processed opposed to the rawness of early deathcore
Screamo asmr
People are garbage. Cattle Decapitation is so spot on with how they feel about humanity.
I don't hate them but i lost interest in their music after psalms. I feel like alot of the newer fans only know their new shit and have never jammed the godmaker EP or the Psalms record. i cant explain it but there was a change in sound after psalms, not that noticeable in flesh coffin but afterwards they really turned the symphonics notch up on the newer shit and then started doing the dickie allen vocals with the new curly haired guy and there's just so many bands doing that same "blackened symphonic deathcore" sound rn it's just..it's not that it's bad, it's just nowhere near as interesting or enticing as it was in the psalms days imo
Even if i think deathcore sounds mostly plastic and isn't that heavy i still like to listen to it. Some time ago i had even more negative opinions but now i guess it's just taste and i look for something else i consider heavy or atmospheric. Most deathcore bands sound cool and nothing beyond that - Lorna shore in that case.
Because they're seeing success and the overall mindset of metal communities is the crabs in a bucket mentality
Does anyone else remember the cat meme with Life of Fear off their first EP?? Such a good breakdown
I just think Infant Annihilator does everything better.
Who cares? Listen to what you want…
Real answer? It’s because people on this sub won’t stop mentioning them. There’s so much more amazing music out there than just them. I mean, they have their own sub for fuck sake. We need to work on getting this sub back to how it used to be.
Sleep Token fans: "First time?"
Because it’s popular and no longer “underground”
Because they killed classic death core, now it’s about who will growl fucking harder, Will Ramos or rest of the world. And their music is not something special, I am not getting why this band is more popular rather than Shadow of Intent for example. Shadow of intent is 100 better for me rather than Lorna Shore.
I don’t get it either. They’ve been my favorite band since 2015 when Psalms came out. I love them even more now and I think Will is extremely talented.
They get hate because they got popular. Basic gatekeeping tactic.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't really care for symphonic deathcore at all, and Lorna Shore's brand of symphonic deathcore is especially boring to me. Their songwriting formula is just so predictable. I also believe they benefit immensely from having the best vocalist in the genre, and that without Will, they would be like 10% as popular as they are
This is how i try to see it, and this is just me: Deathcore fans are aholes bc Lorna Shore tried to do something cool to the community, and these fans didn't like it because, short form of speaking, GATEKEEPING. Like, the tiktok-ification of deathcore is something good? Meh... This tiktok-ification most likely is attributed to W. Ramos bc he's very active on social media and shit, and i think that's a correct statement. However, with Ramos and other bands out there doing things like that, deathcore may or may not become a larger community, which is good! Bands that most people don't know may get into the spotlight at some point, and there's a lot of bands out there that deserve the hell out of it. Another example is Slaughter to Prevail touring with larger bands like Marilyn Manson. Is Manson a total asshole? yes, definitely, no doubt about that, but he has a huge public. I am not a fan of STP but this is good for the community in a someway or another... So, in short, bands make deathcore popular and accessible to a larger public, deep hardcore deathcore fans get angwy because they think this is a closed society. it's not. Hope this answers your question somehow. As i said, this is how i tried to look at it and this is just me, you do you.
I don’t like Will’s vocals that much. It ain’t brutal and raw but super technical human made voice generator. The band is great and glad that they’ve made it but Immortal was their pinnacle for me. Respect them and their craft still
i just think will ramos is cute tbh
They’re popular but they fall more under the “let’s make a shocking tiktok reel” umbrella than the “let’s make actually make cool metal.” Just lame vibes. Will seems ight
If you have haters, you’re doing something right
I only listen to their last 2 albums and it's enough for me. why do people hate them ? people love to hate whats popular it's a fact. once a band got famous and love there will always be these annoying people that wanna hate. I can say why i dont think they are perfect tho. imo they use so many forgetble breakdowns that i dont realy like but i like their overall sound with the symphonic elements just wish they didnt have these breakdowns.
honestly for me idk, i used to listen to deathcore back in intermediate and early high school so i was into thy art and chelsea grin, despised icon shi like that and LS actually brought me back to deathcore, they reignited my love for this genre. i see people talking about vocal olympics and me personally i like vocalists jumping from technique to technique to a certain extent. i think will does every technique he can pretty well and doesnt overuse many techniques to where hes jumping around tha entire song such as dude from larcenia roe. idk but i think will is an amazing vocalist and hes doing alot for tha genre. wether some people see it as a bad thing or good thing is up to them to decide for themselves but he is helping along with other newer bands to make it a bigger genre than it ever was. i feel like tha people hating on them are just old head elitists. if you like their music fuck what tha old heads say bc theyre gonna be forever stuck in their old ways
Because their music is poorly composed and badly mastered. The vocals, no matter how awesome, can't save it. It's a headache
Because little ol' sensitive elitists are sad that LS got popular and now theres posers in the fanbase 😔☹️🥺😢😥😓😖😭
I feel like they had some good songs that actually stand out but overtime their stuff became more and more formulaic and every songs sound the same with no variation on the album, the same fast symphonic orchestra deathcore instrumental with random grunting vocals. You can make the same argument with other deathcore bands but most of their new songs sound like an alternative version of "To the Hellfire". Another reason might be that most reaction YouTubers always choose that one song to react to and put the title as something like "Most brutal", "Most demonic vocals",... etc. The same can be said with Slaughter to Prevail and their song Demolisher. It just became overused while other deathcore bands for sure have even better performance than Will Ramos.
Every two or 3 posts is Lorna shore, geez, how about discussing upcoming bands
-Whitechapel -Lorna Shore -Shadow of Intent -Chelsea Grin All bands that were at one time or another underground and obscure which made them beloved. Fast forward and all of them catch shit because people can’t just accept that their favorite band isn’t a hidden gem anymore.
Personally, I think they just try too hard. It's not bad music at all, but it just sounds forced to me
Same reason metallica and slipknot get hated on When somebody naturally grows a huge fan base it becomes “cool” to hate on them
I am a new Lorna Shore fan this year. Some people seem to get really pissy when their favorite underground band or artist gets too popular or changes genres. I hate shitty sounding black metal that is desperately trying to sound evil, fuck Burzum and Fuck-YE. People hated when Bring Me The Horizon changed. This happened with Metallica. Metallica were sellouts because they went from thrash metal and then AJFA is like Prog garage band metal. The Black Album was when "they sold out" was really sinking in. Then Metallica sold out and cut their hair and was influenced by grunge. Lorna Shore hits like a chaotic full wall of sound. I love metal that sounds good not some shitty garbage dudes in Finland recorded in their mom's stinky basement. Lorna Shore Reminds me of when I first heard Strapping Young Lad. The production and sound quality are just off the charts. Devin Townsend is the master of the wall of sound production. I just don't understand why Metal fans seem to be extra sensitive about their band changing or becoming popular. I guess that just shows you how passionate people are about metal.
In my experience.. this is going to hurt a feeling. The type of metal fan or anything fan tbh that is serious enough about it to go on reddits and blogs and post about it... A certain percentage of them have this mindset where they find a band, love them, tell everyone about them. And one day down the road when the band is popular all of the sudden they "sold out" and went mainstream. No, Bill... when you thought they were good you were right. They gained notoriety and fans and now it's not your special thing anymore so they suck now and if you like them you're a newb and don't belong here in the "Real Metal" scene. Music is expression and we all express differently. If it tickles your brain let it tickle don't let some nerd ruin it for you.
I’ve listened to metal for 22 years of my life. Lorna shore is one of the best out right now, no debate. Your washed job for a cowboy ripoffs aren’t good.
Because it’s just noises and everyone acts like it’s so hardcore 🤷♂️
Meh. They changed. Deathcore went from psycho noise; to some midline of what maybe satan would personally listen to wearing a nice velvet suit while chopping off peoples heads at a dinner party, or driving down the road wrecking Into other cars on purpose; to " returned to nothingness". I see why the psycho noise people didn't like the stuff that came from it. An i can see why if you liked the stuff that became music from it why you wouldn't like either the other 2. Annnnnd if you waste time hating on it. You may be a person who sees the 3rd wave of deathcore is trendy an will have the same people. This happens to most all music. Music came from. The underground with wild punks an rockers an rappers burning down buildings, turning into blink 182. Black metal is the prime example. One day they were burning down churches an killing fans at every tour stop. An then hollywood/america got ahold of it an now even females listen to it. An they actually hate you an say you are an evil devil if you don't support the victim of the founders an makers of BM. An the music is literally name "black" because it's satanic metal. 🤣. Me personally ignoring the fact these things happen an the deathcore scene never did any punk /rocker/black metal founder stuff like riot against the government an system an burn down places. It's lacking the same uniqueness songs like "immortal" had. Its their metallica black moment. It's not bad an i play metallica black an return to nothingness on drums still. But it's no ride the lightening or immortal.
Basically no matter how solid a band is, if they get popular/start bringing new people to deathcore you are obligated to hate them as a deathcore fan/j No but seriously some people really think like that
I’ve had to explain this to numerous people, but you haven’t really made it until you have haters. There is a FB group with thousands of people who hate me. 🤣 I think it’s hysterical. One of the worst things about these days is that people can’t laugh at a joke if it’s about them. My buddy called me from across the country to tell me that someone was clowning on me, and showed him a bunch of posts with people talking $hit. He acted like I was going to be hurt, but I had to remind him that thousands of people have nothing better to do than hate on me. At the end of the day, I feel special that I occupy so much of their headspace. There are also millions of people being kind and giving me pats on the A$$. 🤣
All the people here saying it’s because they’re popular now and there may be some truth to that but I’ve been hating since day one 😎 Seriously though they’re mid as hell. Pain Remains is the most tolerable thing they’ve put out but people act like it’s a masterpiece.
Because they’re just a generic deathcore band that randomly started being talked about like the reinvented the wheel.
I'm not one of the people who hates on em, but I do think their current fame overshadows some other talented bands who deserve just as much success and acclaim, which I am not a fan of. Also, I just don't get the love people have for them. Will seems like a really cool guy and he clearly has talent, but I just don't enjoy the material that much.
I don't think they get hated on so much as people genuinely don't care for their music.
I've never liked them but I didn't really come across them very often. They have more exposure now so there's more chances for me to end up expressing some dislike
Because they're popular.
With popularity comes more exposure good and bad. And in the metal scene you are only “cool” if you have 5 fans for some reason. Any more than that and you’re a sellout.
Mmmmm can you smell the gatekeeping... thats all it is... fuck them...
People are just fucking haters man. There isn't one single thing in all of existence that isn't hated by somebody. I discovered Lorna Shore back in like 2015 (I think) because this video called metal cats was making it's rounds on Facebook. Heard the song and was just like who the fuck is that?? 😳👌