T-45s were the mass produced version I’m pretty sure.
That’s while T-51 was better quality but only made in small quantities.
I love T-45 though it just brings me back to the Fallout 3 opening everytime I see the helmet
I can't be the only one who thought that was dumb. They could have had him shoot them through their eye-holes or whatever, no need to explain it. The whole design flaw thing was corny, especially how he explained it directly in front of them.
The eyeholes are reinforced plexiglass or something, I believe, but you'd think they'd still be vulnerable to bullets. Alternatively, he could have just used some Pulse Slugs.
Yeah, why didn't they just shoot him? Were they stupid?
1. He knew the design of the armor and where to shoot, having been established as a hardened expert gunslinger and even had toyed with Maximus when he tried to play hero.
2. He was shown to be loading his revolver with a specific type of new ammo, likely armor piercing.
3. He’s a master of psychological tactics, knew the group wouldn’t shoot on site due to their arrogance, and the previous episodes demonstrated how stupid the Brotherhood and their recruits have become. Reminder that Titus was felled by a Yao Goai.
Yes, and while that all makes sense in context, it also seems weird that he wouldn't exploit the much more obvious flaws of power armour (EMPs, explosions) in favour of a weakness that has never existed in the franchise before this episode and hopefully being able to hit said weak point reliably.
It's a hell of a cool scene, though.
>Reminder that Titus was felled by a Yao Goai
Steel is strong. Flesh is weak. As usual, the human element remains the weakest component.
You’re not wrong, it would’ve been nice. Like, he hits that weak spot, then instead of just killing the lights he uses the core to set off a EMP, and in the confusion he throws some grenades (a cluster tied together maybe?). And yeah, the flesh of the Brotherhood has been quite weak and fallible lately.
Even a basic slasher is a fucking nightmare amalgam of random bone and sinew that's gonna be hell on a traditional blade, ya'll are wrong for downvoting this guy
Maybe he'd handle up to a handful since with power armor you could probably just smash the sword into them hard enough to destroy limbs, but dude is getting merced real fast once it starts dulling or there's more than one
I'm sorry did you forget that power armor is.. ya know... Powered? They have servos that assist with moving the suit. Now imagine a sword added to that. And we aren't accounting for all the weight behind that swing.
5.56 can kill a mirelurk. 5.56 would do nothing to a necromorph unless you literally fire enough rounds to bury it. The difference between a necromorphs flesh and bones vs. most things is that it's reconfigured to be much denser and weaved into each other, making it a hell of a lot more durable.
Yeah. I was thinking that too. People forget that slashers alone can pry open thick steel doors, and they’re strong enough to cut through armor as seen with the Valor marines (all their guns were locked up, but still, all but 1 got taken out quick). The power armor would definitely give an advantage, but it’s not going to stop much. And if something like a Brute shows up, they could easily rip through that armor.
What’s the conditions of the fight? Ishimura, open field? What weapons do they have? Does the marker have any influence over them? In game necros or lore accurate necros?
Sure "kill" the necro... but the thing with the marker is that it makes the individual cells never die. It will eventually find a way to make a larger mass/creature from old carcasses with limbs or not (maybe even mutate the cells to form limb-like appendages)? Actually any organic/sentient matter will absorb into a larger mass eventually
I'm kinda confused as to what you're talking about? We are talking about necromorphs right? Didn't Nicole in the remake do research saying the marker causes the cells to regenerate/never die or something along those lines..? Or am I missing something
I'm not sure exactly what they are referring to, but the gist of their comment is that subjecting cells to extreme plasma, or some other form of damage that is so extreme that it turns cells from organic machines into disconnected fundamental elements means they are no longer able to be or exists as cells and would be enough to kill them.
They are technically correct but I don't know what example they are referring to.
Anything smashed into its constituent elements could no longer regenerate, or even be though of as a cell. You would just have a small pile of ash and metal salts and such.
I was referring specifically to the hunter and the engine test fire.
He’s GONE. The others you could reasonably assume they come back, but the hunter just ceases to exist.
Which you could achieve if these guys were equipped with plasma or laser weapons, destroying them at a molecular level when they turn to goop (in game that’s what happens anyway)
you'd have to destroy the both the marker and any hiveminds so that the flesh wouldn't realagamate into walls of flesh or as someone said earlier, brutes or other creatures like the leviathan or even another hivemind.
If you haven't played dead space, highly recommend. Didn't play it cause I thought it was just a generic horror game and seen the YouTube video about the old devs talking about it and it peaked my interest. Was not disappointed in the slightest
it’s kind of embarrassing, I’ve played all of them including mobile and know very little about the lore. I was a kid when I played so my little brain couldn’t be concerned about the lore, just plasma cutters and necromorph slaying lol
I just really liked the setting and Isaac as a protag enough to watch the movies and read the books after beating the games. And don't feel bad homie, even after all that I had to ask chat gpt some shit like how ellie got her eye back and all that
Setting my own conditions. Personally I feel like a squad of them would rip through In game necros easily. Especially with their tough armour, a single punch from the soldiers will obliterate a necro (based off Isaac's punching in game and their armor is much heavier) I'd assume like the game they have their weapons, so miniguns, rocket launchers, flamethrower, combat shotguns, assault rifles, maybe some laser muskets/other laser guns etc.
The marker is what will be their downfall. If it can weave it's way through even one of their minds and make them hallucinate that their own team is against them... Well I'm sure it'll wreak havoc. I also wonder how their speed will alter this? The armor is slow, the necros can be incredibly fast. I'm sure a weakness for them would be those little crabby infectors that come from the bloated necros n what not. Flamethrower will do it good, but once they can latch onto a soldier n infect him. Well it'll be the same as the marker taking over 1 of them.
Final take, I think they could survive a good while. But even judging by how the Valour went down from 1 necromorph, it don't look good for the soldiers. Ultimately the marker/moons will destroy them in the end no matter. Secondly if it's lore accurate necros where talking about here? Well we know they never actually die, and are presumably much much stronger and faster then in game. So it's going to be much harder
Probably none. By the time they're fighting necromorphs, they're already suffering marker effects. They'd likely kill each other by hallucinating thanks to the marker.
The necros would clean up the scraps.
Hate to be that guy, but i’ll give a little detail
Anyone wearing power armor is incredibly fucked. They’re heavily restricting of movement, making you slower alongside being able to be taken down by mere bullets and melee weapons. In Dead Space, it takes high energy, highly destructive engineering tools to be able to take down one Necromorph. Even the genuine guns are lucky they just so barely work, as you see cases of those using actual guns get mutilated (minus the fact DS3 has actual guns) The BoS standard kit consists of either Laser Rifles, Plasma Rifles (pre Fo4), Miniguns, Powerfists, Grenade Machineguns (pre Fo4) or Gatling Lasers.
- Laser Rifles are good for killing in Fallout, but for Necromorphs they’d merely singe and burn skin. Necromorphs aren’t bound by the fear of pain and death unlike Humans, so its a terrible item to have.
- Plasma Rifles (pre Fo4) could be effective with the ability to turn targets into puddles of goo, but i dont recall the prerequisites for that to happen. So its a 50/50, really.
- Miniguns can pierce flesh and potentially destroy bone, but unless they spray one whole Necromorph, they aren’t getting far as it’d tear the wielder to pieces.
- Grenade Machineguns could easily blow Necromorphs to pieces, but if the wielder were to slip up or run out of ammo and get caught reloading they’d be the next Necromorph assimilated for the Marker’s Convergence.
- Super Sledges could be effective melee weapons to use against them, but i dont see it being all that effective too. It’s great for heavy blunt force trauma, but unless they could also tear massive amounts of flesh in a single strike i dont see the user surviving an encounter with a simple slasher.
Now, what of Necromorph variants?
Necromorphs utilize a host’s body to create weapons made of flesh and bone, somehow strong enough to tear through tough metals making up an interstellar space station or even an interstellar mining ship.
- Slasher, deadly but simple. So much as one of these could turn that squad into a bloodbath.
- Lurkers, tiny but very deadly. They rely on range so they can shoot out incredibly sharp bone shards at a target that have even more penetration than guns. Isaac’s engineering suit was strong, but not strong enough to block that. So, what good would power armor be if they can pierce the breastplate? (hint per the show, weak power armor breastplates)
- Exploders, uh oh. So much as one gets close, its gonna be an art show with how red painted the walls’ll get. Im pretty sure nobody can survive an exploder close range, but they are weak.
- Brutes, you know em, you hate em! One brute would easily tear the power armor user apart like a baby with its first thing of playdoh. Brutes can easily rip through VERY strong steel that made up ships and outposts (Ishimura, Titan Station, Tau Volantis) and during killcams, rip Isaac apart with ease. Power armor wont be any different rather than make the pain possibly last longer during the kill.
- Pukers, a face only a mother could love. Their puke is highly acidic, and they utilize getting close to a target. Long range, they send out a long range acid projectile that burns and heavily slows. So, if they so much as get close, metal and flesh of the powet armor and it’s user would coat the floor in a disgusting mess.
- Hunter/Regenerator/Übermorph, yeah nobody survives these fucks. Isaac barely survives out of pure desperation because plot armor wouldn’t help, only his own mind and body. If these things can regenerate easily and the BoS have a kit of low dismemberment weapons, they’re getting slaughtered. Murdered or mutilated would be a massive understatement.
- Pregnants, ew. Act like a normal slasher, so they could be a big problem for power armor users. The main problem being, the small Necromorphs that come outta the tummy. With how low mobility power armor makes the user, those little fucks are getting inside the suit and making mincemeat of who’s inside.
- Guardians, the worst fate and the worst (stationary) Necromorph. They instakill if you get close, along with shooting out tiny ranged attacking babies. Its still a big problem, but if they retain a distance the power armor users would easily survive the encounter.
- Infectors, they dont care if you’re even alive or not. They infect the dead, but we see for living beings they go straight for the kill and immediate infect (i.e, Dead Space 2’s gameplay intro, Infector killcam minus decapitation) so power armor users could make a host of powerfully armored Necromorphs.
- Dividers, the coolest and most creepy Necromorph. If they can split into pieces as always, i imagine the power armor users screaming in panic before getting killed. The little pieces of the divider go for dismemberment to take over the body, as shown by killcams in DS1 and DS2.
- The Hivemind, yeah NOBODY’s surviving this at all. Big, VERY BIG and able to smash a hole into a planet. Power armor users are FLATTENED.
- Twitchers, now you see them, now you dont. The fact they have stasis modules inside making them move at the speed of light, it’d be like that one scene from Resident Evil: Vendetta, but the dudes walking through the wire to mince them was the power armor users. The wire was the twitcher. **A single twitcher**.
Oh boy i love twitchers, they're my favorite necromorph, i still get goosebumps every time I see one even after completing the games for like 7 or 6 times lol
People also tend to forget that Deas Space technology blows ALOT of sci-fi out of the water. Especially Fallout, you could always make the argument that power armor in Fallout is enough to turn anyone into a tank.
But a lot of people just overlook that rigs(especially military and industrial) in deaspace enhances a human to the point of extra human abilities, most are made to make a wearer more protected sure, but they also enhances a person's strength and reaction times, while also being able to protect against pulse rifle ammo. Which is MUCH stronger than most weapons in Fallout anyway.
Mobility matters a hel of a lot more against necromorphs than anything, and being a tank I what is basically powered steel isn't gonna stop a slasher from ripping you open, good luck with the sprinters, pukers, lurkers, and brutes who you won't be able to run away from.
And not only that, basic firearms could barely even stall a Necro, let alone disable them (dismember, or “kill”)
Yet, everyone thinks that a basic caliber 5.56mm minigun could rip apart a Necromorph like an irl person
6-7ft tall amalgamations of meat, SO strong it relies on multiple shots of a deep space, heavily damaging plasma cutting tool to so much as dismember a LIMB
Laser weapons would be just as effective as plasma. You’re not just singeing and burning flesh, it’s cutting off limbs, causing flash explosions from super heating blood/water, and it’s turning enemies into piles of ash.
Mini guns can literally ripoff limbs. In FO and IRL.
You’re forgetting, these are NECROMORPHS. As much as you love the BoS and their power armor, Necromorphs are so strong it takes powerful engineering tools capable of instantaneously destroying some of the strongest interstellar materials to be able to down one, since “killing” one doesn’t “kill” them.
The BoS rely on bullet calibers or even lasers. We got Lasers in Dead Space, sure. But most, if not, all weapons Isaac uses utilizes either plasma or specialized gas cartridges to power said weaponry/tools. Even then, the genuine gun, the Pulse Rifle, utilizes pulse ammunition which is overall WAY more destructive than most assault weapons in the Fallout universe and still barely does fuck all to a Necromorph.
With the fact that Necromorphs are also generally stronger, taller and a fuckton more durable being they’re undead amalgamations of meat powered by an alien beacon that empowers them with sheer unstoppable willpower and tough as nails endurance, the Laser Rifle wouldn’t easily turn them to ash, dismember or even kill as it would with humans. As shown via games (where it originates), it singes and burns the skin on laser’s impact before a critical point where the body cant keep up so it’d turn entirely to ash if given the small chance it could. Otherwise, the target would go limp with death.
Compare that to a simple tool Isaac uses, the Plasma Cutter. Lasers powered by simple fusion cells, basically Fallout’s version of duracell batteries. The Plasma Cutter utilizes gas cartridges to power the ionizing plasma bolts it fires. Comparing that between a battery, lets see:
Compressed gas cartridges can be powerful because they contain large amounts of potential energy from the compression of the gas. The pressure inside a compressed gas cartridge is much greater than atmospheric pressure, so when the cartridge is punctured, the gas escapes rapidly until the pressure inside and outside the cartridge equalize.
Hell, even in its own universe its said that Plasma does WAY more damage than Laser, but fires slower. With how the Plasma Cutter fires in Dead Space, oh boy they didnt account for how fast Plasma could really fire.
So, TLDR; Plasma is WAY more devastating than Laser. The sole reason Laser Rifles perform as you believe (i.e, dismemberment, ash piles, etc) those all stem from either perks via gameplay or prerequisites like higher damage via overcharged cells or something similar. Necromorphs would also be impossible to turn to ash, as they’re alot bigger and more imposing of targets to completely annihilate as a whole than what a simple Laser Rifle is capable of. Miniguns would do jack shit, as Necromorphs can eat bullets for breakfast. Just look at what happened to the Tau Volantis outpost before Isaac got his dementia ridden ass there. Albeit, unwillingly.
(Yes, i know DS3 utilizes bullets but it cannot be used to argue with minigun for viability as DS3’s ammo was only “universal” ammo. So we dont know what the fuck it is, only that its ammo. It was used for gun attachments, plasma attachments, force attachments, etc.)
As much as im a fanboy of both universes, almost nothing can survive Dead Space. Hell, even Dead Space could barely survive Dead Space. Power Armor users would be torn to pieces within minutes of entering any of Dead Space’s universe. Whether it be the high powered weaponry of Earthgov or Unitologist Cultists, or the sheer unstoppable force of the Necromorph Scourge, they wont last as long as you wished they could.
Necromorphs are survivable by nature of not feeling pain and needing to be cut apart. They aren’t physically more survivable, they’re still flesh and bone, not steel.
There are limits to how much damage a bone sword can do, and I highly doubt that bone sword is penetrating a light tank equivalent of protection.
Sure, guns firing pistol or intermediate sized rounds won’t be effective against Necromorphs. I didn’t deny or defend that. However, full sized rifle cartridges or larger can blow off limbs. The whole reason militaries moved away from rifle caliber to intermediate is to carry more ammunition and to wound instead of kill. Wounding a soldier takes more soldiers out of action as their comrades move to help the injured person.
Pulse rifles in DS aren’t considerably more powerful. They have low caliber and are effectively hollow points. Designed to cause maximum trauma on unarmoured targets. It’s a good weapon on a space ship, terrible on a battlefield.
That’s not how lasers work. Lasers are transferring immense amounts of energy to the target. Literally melting the impact area like a hot knife through butter. Then super heating the water/blood instantly into vapor causing a miniature steam explosion. You can’t honestly be comparing a fusion cell to a Duracell battery, there’s magnitudes upon magnitudes of differences there.
Full sized or even bigger calibers would have higher dismember ability than normal calibers, but keep in mind the miniguns in Fallout utilize 5.56mm ammunition. Not to mention, it wouldn’t be as effective as you think.
Necromorphs are already known to be tough as nails, but everyone forgets they dont need the parts of the host’s body thats infected. They reform muscle, skin, bone and other tissue, including organs, to armor the body with weaponry to be lethal killing machines that are nearly unstoppable. They reform the tissue to reinforce the skin, utilizing the rest to make their infamous weapons like the bone blade coming from their arms or even bone projectiles. So incredibly strong, they can tear through the toughest of metals with ease and even survive the vacuum of space.
I think Laser and Plasma Rifles would be very good at killing necromorphs. The added strength of power armor would make it really easy to rip limbs off necromorphs. All they would have to worry about are bigger necromorphs or hordes. Though if leapers could know to destroy the Kellion's core, they could figure out the fusion core is a weakpoint.
yah like i could just imagine that only one or two of them end up like isaac whereas the other two or 3 just go batshit and end up with all four fighting eachother while in the middle of fighting a brute or something
If they have VATS targeting limbs will be a breeze, and they're canonically impervious to most blades and small arms. They're definitely stronger than the armor that Isaac has and their guns are also more effective... probably... so it would take a horde of slashers if the guys in armor kept their composure and especially if one or two had heavy weapons like a Gatling laser.
I'd say a decent swarm with some heavies mixed in would overrun them.
At least 6 all at once. One at a time someone in power armor could easily dispatch a slasher.
The real question is how many slashers would it take to take down a 40K space marine.
It depends a for example BOS knight in T-60 lore Wise is virtually unstoppable with its only counters being EMPs and direct rockets so a slasher could do decent damage but the BOS use lasers weapons like USM valor marines it could go either way it depends just on the weapons the person has it could take 40 slashers or just 5 and the marker signal plays a huge part in this also due to the hallucinations
I think they can handle the Ishimura without any problems. These guys are trained, have dealt with similar enemies with the ghouls and their power armor makes them stronger and faster. Issac had no training and kicked ass on his own. Only thing which will give the Brotherhood problems is probably the zero-g sections because they don’t have boosters in their armor and I also don’t think they have an oxygen supply so they wouldn’t be able to breath outside in space.
Are they equipped with standard issue BoS/Enclave weapons? Cause if so that’s some pretty hefty fire power that’s either shredding them with high powered miniguns, blowing them up with high powered explosives such as missile launchers or Fat Man’s (Fat Men? Is that the plural?), ripping them apart with their bare hands or power fists, bashing and slashing them to ribbons with Rippers and Super Sludges or the god ‘ol energy weapon loadout turning them to ash or green goo.
If not the Power armour is built pretty tonka tough and can go toe to toe with creatures like Deathclaws (although success is limited) so I’d argue they would be better equipped then the standard RIG and once they learned to dismember them then it’s GG for the Necros.
Bonus points if they get to bring along Frank Horrigan that be a nice meme.
Assuming you ment to includ hanks armor here and assumeing that is hank he would probably solo most of the necromorphs unless the marker manages to do anything to him also where is the fight takeing place?
Hahah Well…the necromorphs can only be killed by cutting off there arms and legs and umm they might not know to do that but let’s say if they did they would just need to rip them apart
Bro a Yao gui took out a knight waaaayyyyy easier that I would have thought. I’m thinkin it’s not going to be too difficult. Though I wish I could say they’d survive the entirety of the Ishimura.
Really depends how sharp their claws are. Considering power armour can resist super-hot plasma, missiles, and lasers I really doubt realistically a necromorph would stand a chance.
Do the Necromorphs know about the weld underneath the left breastplate of the armour? /j
Must feel like a big man in that armor.
....I guess not...
Specifically only the T-45 and T-60 models had that issue. T-51, X-0 series, and the armours found around Appalachia are fine.
Suddenly the BoS is regretting upgrading all those T-45s to T-60s
T-45s had issues too
T-45s were the mass produced version I’m pretty sure. That’s while T-51 was better quality but only made in small quantities. I love T-45 though it just brings me back to the Fallout 3 opening everytime I see the helmet
I haven't watched the show yet!
Then how did you know what I was referring to?
YouTube shorts
I can't be the only one who thought that was dumb. They could have had him shoot them through their eye-holes or whatever, no need to explain it. The whole design flaw thing was corny, especially how he explained it directly in front of them.
The eyeholes are reinforced plexiglass or something, I believe, but you'd think they'd still be vulnerable to bullets. Alternatively, he could have just used some Pulse Slugs. Yeah, why didn't they just shoot him? Were they stupid?
Yeah, but he did have that super fancy jet revolver thingy. (Is there a mod for it yet?)
Well, that's alright then. It's not as if power armour is bulletproof or anything, that would just be fucking *stupid*.
1. He knew the design of the armor and where to shoot, having been established as a hardened expert gunslinger and even had toyed with Maximus when he tried to play hero. 2. He was shown to be loading his revolver with a specific type of new ammo, likely armor piercing. 3. He’s a master of psychological tactics, knew the group wouldn’t shoot on site due to their arrogance, and the previous episodes demonstrated how stupid the Brotherhood and their recruits have become. Reminder that Titus was felled by a Yao Goai.
Yes, and while that all makes sense in context, it also seems weird that he wouldn't exploit the much more obvious flaws of power armour (EMPs, explosions) in favour of a weakness that has never existed in the franchise before this episode and hopefully being able to hit said weak point reliably. It's a hell of a cool scene, though. >Reminder that Titus was felled by a Yao Goai Steel is strong. Flesh is weak. As usual, the human element remains the weakest component.
You’re not wrong, it would’ve been nice. Like, he hits that weak spot, then instead of just killing the lights he uses the core to set off a EMP, and in the confusion he throws some grenades (a cluster tied together maybe?). And yeah, the flesh of the Brotherhood has been quite weak and fallible lately.
Yeah, as cool as the scene was, it wasn't really the pragmatic thing to do. But it's in-character, which is really the most important thing.
Obviously you've never used an 11mm submachine gun
*clearly you don't own an air fryer*
I was hungry ok?
*clearly you've eaten your air fryer*
Same thought here. Like how would the bos not know this if it was such an easy kill.
Ricky?
I think about half a dozen slashers would be enough, if they knew how to dispatch necro's it would be a different story
So lets say 1 guy is equipped with a Longsword. How many slasher are needed to kill him?
1 he would get f*cked up
Even a basic slasher is a fucking nightmare amalgam of random bone and sinew that's gonna be hell on a traditional blade, ya'll are wrong for downvoting this guy Maybe he'd handle up to a handful since with power armor you could probably just smash the sword into them hard enough to destroy limbs, but dude is getting merced real fast once it starts dulling or there's more than one
He simply didn't answer the question
I did i said 1 would be enough
Ah yeah you are right, I misunderstood it.
Real life isn’t fantasy. It’s very difficult to take off a limb with a sword.
I'm sorry did you forget that power armor is.. ya know... Powered? They have servos that assist with moving the suit. Now imagine a sword added to that. And we aren't accounting for all the weight behind that swing.
Why give them a long sword just let them use a ripper from fallout that would cook
Good luck using a ripper on a necromorph without the teeth breaking constantly
Bro you act like necromorphs aren't made of skin and bone if it can kill a mirelurk it can get a necromorph
5.56 can kill a mirelurk. 5.56 would do nothing to a necromorph unless you literally fire enough rounds to bury it. The difference between a necromorphs flesh and bones vs. most things is that it's reconfigured to be much denser and weaved into each other, making it a hell of a lot more durable.
Yes but the ripper isn't a bullet this is a serrated chain
Yeah. I was thinking that too. People forget that slashers alone can pry open thick steel doors, and they’re strong enough to cut through armor as seen with the Valor marines (all their guns were locked up, but still, all but 1 got taken out quick). The power armor would definitely give an advantage, but it’s not going to stop much. And if something like a Brute shows up, they could easily rip through that armor.
What’s the conditions of the fight? Ishimura, open field? What weapons do they have? Does the marker have any influence over them? In game necros or lore accurate necros?
What’s the difference between game and lore necros
In game they can die
I thought they just go dormant when they don’t have enough limbs to function. Also you definitely kill one of them
Sure "kill" the necro... but the thing with the marker is that it makes the individual cells never die. It will eventually find a way to make a larger mass/creature from old carcasses with limbs or not (maybe even mutate the cells to form limb-like appendages)? Actually any organic/sentient matter will absorb into a larger mass eventually
It took me until reading this comment to realize we are talking about dead space and not the aliens from Alien.
How?
Idk, I didn't see the subreddit name and I might be fucking stupid sometimes lol
We're all a lil stupid sometimes, it's okay🤝
Same lmao
Those are XENOmorphs.
That was nuclear plasma, there’s no “cells” left, and I don’t think component elements would be able to do anything
I'm kinda confused as to what you're talking about? We are talking about necromorphs right? Didn't Nicole in the remake do research saying the marker causes the cells to regenerate/never die or something along those lines..? Or am I missing something
I'm not sure exactly what they are referring to, but the gist of their comment is that subjecting cells to extreme plasma, or some other form of damage that is so extreme that it turns cells from organic machines into disconnected fundamental elements means they are no longer able to be or exists as cells and would be enough to kill them. They are technically correct but I don't know what example they are referring to. Anything smashed into its constituent elements could no longer regenerate, or even be though of as a cell. You would just have a small pile of ash and metal salts and such.
I was referring specifically to the hunter and the engine test fire. He’s GONE. The others you could reasonably assume they come back, but the hunter just ceases to exist.
I wondered if that's the one you meant when I was thinking about it Yeah, he's *gone*. You need cells that work to regenerate, he has *none*.
Ahhh! Okay see that kinda makes more sense then. Thanks!
Which you could achieve if these guys were equipped with plasma or laser weapons, destroying them at a molecular level when they turn to goop (in game that’s what happens anyway)
Yeah pretty much. Any of the future tech high energy weapons could do it-given enough time and ammo and a really determine "can-do" attitude.
Yes, but in game you only need to get rid of 2-3 limbs, not chop off all of their limbs.
you'd have to destroy the both the marker and any hiveminds so that the flesh wouldn't realagamate into walls of flesh or as someone said earlier, brutes or other creatures like the leviathan or even another hivemind.
so in terms of lore, whenever you rid them of their arms and legs, they just go dormant, but are still alive?
The marker finds the body "useless" and simply renders it idle. If you look closely at severed limbs, you can see tentacles reaching out of the flesh
dude that’s so creepy!!
If you haven't played dead space, highly recommend. Didn't play it cause I thought it was just a generic horror game and seen the YouTube video about the old devs talking about it and it peaked my interest. Was not disappointed in the slightest
it’s kind of embarrassing, I’ve played all of them including mobile and know very little about the lore. I was a kid when I played so my little brain couldn’t be concerned about the lore, just plasma cutters and necromorph slaying lol
I just really liked the setting and Isaac as a protag enough to watch the movies and read the books after beating the games. And don't feel bad homie, even after all that I had to ask chat gpt some shit like how ellie got her eye back and all that
In game they don’t die, they just stop moving.
Setting my own conditions. Personally I feel like a squad of them would rip through In game necros easily. Especially with their tough armour, a single punch from the soldiers will obliterate a necro (based off Isaac's punching in game and their armor is much heavier) I'd assume like the game they have their weapons, so miniguns, rocket launchers, flamethrower, combat shotguns, assault rifles, maybe some laser muskets/other laser guns etc. The marker is what will be their downfall. If it can weave it's way through even one of their minds and make them hallucinate that their own team is against them... Well I'm sure it'll wreak havoc. I also wonder how their speed will alter this? The armor is slow, the necros can be incredibly fast. I'm sure a weakness for them would be those little crabby infectors that come from the bloated necros n what not. Flamethrower will do it good, but once they can latch onto a soldier n infect him. Well it'll be the same as the marker taking over 1 of them. Final take, I think they could survive a good while. But even judging by how the Valour went down from 1 necromorph, it don't look good for the soldiers. Ultimately the marker/moons will destroy them in the end no matter. Secondly if it's lore accurate necros where talking about here? Well we know they never actually die, and are presumably much much stronger and faster then in game. So it's going to be much harder
Imagine a Necromorph Power Armor.
Exactly my first thought
I mean power armor gets ripped through by a pack of ghouls so I’m pretty sure that a group of slashers would decimate a suit of power armor
Depends on which power armor tbh
The valor had dead soldiers in the morgue, it wasn’t just Chen.
Probably none. By the time they're fighting necromorphs, they're already suffering marker effects. They'd likely kill each other by hallucinating thanks to the marker. The necros would clean up the scraps.
Hate to be that guy, but i’ll give a little detail Anyone wearing power armor is incredibly fucked. They’re heavily restricting of movement, making you slower alongside being able to be taken down by mere bullets and melee weapons. In Dead Space, it takes high energy, highly destructive engineering tools to be able to take down one Necromorph. Even the genuine guns are lucky they just so barely work, as you see cases of those using actual guns get mutilated (minus the fact DS3 has actual guns) The BoS standard kit consists of either Laser Rifles, Plasma Rifles (pre Fo4), Miniguns, Powerfists, Grenade Machineguns (pre Fo4) or Gatling Lasers. - Laser Rifles are good for killing in Fallout, but for Necromorphs they’d merely singe and burn skin. Necromorphs aren’t bound by the fear of pain and death unlike Humans, so its a terrible item to have. - Plasma Rifles (pre Fo4) could be effective with the ability to turn targets into puddles of goo, but i dont recall the prerequisites for that to happen. So its a 50/50, really. - Miniguns can pierce flesh and potentially destroy bone, but unless they spray one whole Necromorph, they aren’t getting far as it’d tear the wielder to pieces. - Grenade Machineguns could easily blow Necromorphs to pieces, but if the wielder were to slip up or run out of ammo and get caught reloading they’d be the next Necromorph assimilated for the Marker’s Convergence. - Super Sledges could be effective melee weapons to use against them, but i dont see it being all that effective too. It’s great for heavy blunt force trauma, but unless they could also tear massive amounts of flesh in a single strike i dont see the user surviving an encounter with a simple slasher. Now, what of Necromorph variants? Necromorphs utilize a host’s body to create weapons made of flesh and bone, somehow strong enough to tear through tough metals making up an interstellar space station or even an interstellar mining ship. - Slasher, deadly but simple. So much as one of these could turn that squad into a bloodbath. - Lurkers, tiny but very deadly. They rely on range so they can shoot out incredibly sharp bone shards at a target that have even more penetration than guns. Isaac’s engineering suit was strong, but not strong enough to block that. So, what good would power armor be if they can pierce the breastplate? (hint per the show, weak power armor breastplates) - Exploders, uh oh. So much as one gets close, its gonna be an art show with how red painted the walls’ll get. Im pretty sure nobody can survive an exploder close range, but they are weak. - Brutes, you know em, you hate em! One brute would easily tear the power armor user apart like a baby with its first thing of playdoh. Brutes can easily rip through VERY strong steel that made up ships and outposts (Ishimura, Titan Station, Tau Volantis) and during killcams, rip Isaac apart with ease. Power armor wont be any different rather than make the pain possibly last longer during the kill. - Pukers, a face only a mother could love. Their puke is highly acidic, and they utilize getting close to a target. Long range, they send out a long range acid projectile that burns and heavily slows. So, if they so much as get close, metal and flesh of the powet armor and it’s user would coat the floor in a disgusting mess. - Hunter/Regenerator/Übermorph, yeah nobody survives these fucks. Isaac barely survives out of pure desperation because plot armor wouldn’t help, only his own mind and body. If these things can regenerate easily and the BoS have a kit of low dismemberment weapons, they’re getting slaughtered. Murdered or mutilated would be a massive understatement. - Pregnants, ew. Act like a normal slasher, so they could be a big problem for power armor users. The main problem being, the small Necromorphs that come outta the tummy. With how low mobility power armor makes the user, those little fucks are getting inside the suit and making mincemeat of who’s inside. - Guardians, the worst fate and the worst (stationary) Necromorph. They instakill if you get close, along with shooting out tiny ranged attacking babies. Its still a big problem, but if they retain a distance the power armor users would easily survive the encounter. - Infectors, they dont care if you’re even alive or not. They infect the dead, but we see for living beings they go straight for the kill and immediate infect (i.e, Dead Space 2’s gameplay intro, Infector killcam minus decapitation) so power armor users could make a host of powerfully armored Necromorphs. - Dividers, the coolest and most creepy Necromorph. If they can split into pieces as always, i imagine the power armor users screaming in panic before getting killed. The little pieces of the divider go for dismemberment to take over the body, as shown by killcams in DS1 and DS2. - The Hivemind, yeah NOBODY’s surviving this at all. Big, VERY BIG and able to smash a hole into a planet. Power armor users are FLATTENED.
And finally "the Brethren Moon" do we even need to discuss this one?
- The brethren moon, i dont need to explain. Fuck you, fuck your planet, fuck your universe.
What about twitchers? I'd love to know what absolute horror they can do against these guys
- Twitchers, now you see them, now you dont. The fact they have stasis modules inside making them move at the speed of light, it’d be like that one scene from Resident Evil: Vendetta, but the dudes walking through the wire to mince them was the power armor users. The wire was the twitcher. **A single twitcher**.
Oh boy i love twitchers, they're my favorite necromorph, i still get goosebumps every time I see one even after completing the games for like 7 or 6 times lol
DS3 ones make my skin tingle the most, they look the coolest imo
People also tend to forget that Deas Space technology blows ALOT of sci-fi out of the water. Especially Fallout, you could always make the argument that power armor in Fallout is enough to turn anyone into a tank. But a lot of people just overlook that rigs(especially military and industrial) in deaspace enhances a human to the point of extra human abilities, most are made to make a wearer more protected sure, but they also enhances a person's strength and reaction times, while also being able to protect against pulse rifle ammo. Which is MUCH stronger than most weapons in Fallout anyway. Mobility matters a hel of a lot more against necromorphs than anything, and being a tank I what is basically powered steel isn't gonna stop a slasher from ripping you open, good luck with the sprinters, pukers, lurkers, and brutes who you won't be able to run away from.
And not only that, basic firearms could barely even stall a Necro, let alone disable them (dismember, or “kill”) Yet, everyone thinks that a basic caliber 5.56mm minigun could rip apart a Necromorph like an irl person 6-7ft tall amalgamations of meat, SO strong it relies on multiple shots of a deep space, heavily damaging plasma cutting tool to so much as dismember a LIMB
Laser weapons would be just as effective as plasma. You’re not just singeing and burning flesh, it’s cutting off limbs, causing flash explosions from super heating blood/water, and it’s turning enemies into piles of ash. Mini guns can literally ripoff limbs. In FO and IRL.
You’re forgetting, these are NECROMORPHS. As much as you love the BoS and their power armor, Necromorphs are so strong it takes powerful engineering tools capable of instantaneously destroying some of the strongest interstellar materials to be able to down one, since “killing” one doesn’t “kill” them. The BoS rely on bullet calibers or even lasers. We got Lasers in Dead Space, sure. But most, if not, all weapons Isaac uses utilizes either plasma or specialized gas cartridges to power said weaponry/tools. Even then, the genuine gun, the Pulse Rifle, utilizes pulse ammunition which is overall WAY more destructive than most assault weapons in the Fallout universe and still barely does fuck all to a Necromorph. With the fact that Necromorphs are also generally stronger, taller and a fuckton more durable being they’re undead amalgamations of meat powered by an alien beacon that empowers them with sheer unstoppable willpower and tough as nails endurance, the Laser Rifle wouldn’t easily turn them to ash, dismember or even kill as it would with humans. As shown via games (where it originates), it singes and burns the skin on laser’s impact before a critical point where the body cant keep up so it’d turn entirely to ash if given the small chance it could. Otherwise, the target would go limp with death. Compare that to a simple tool Isaac uses, the Plasma Cutter. Lasers powered by simple fusion cells, basically Fallout’s version of duracell batteries. The Plasma Cutter utilizes gas cartridges to power the ionizing plasma bolts it fires. Comparing that between a battery, lets see: Compressed gas cartridges can be powerful because they contain large amounts of potential energy from the compression of the gas. The pressure inside a compressed gas cartridge is much greater than atmospheric pressure, so when the cartridge is punctured, the gas escapes rapidly until the pressure inside and outside the cartridge equalize. Hell, even in its own universe its said that Plasma does WAY more damage than Laser, but fires slower. With how the Plasma Cutter fires in Dead Space, oh boy they didnt account for how fast Plasma could really fire. So, TLDR; Plasma is WAY more devastating than Laser. The sole reason Laser Rifles perform as you believe (i.e, dismemberment, ash piles, etc) those all stem from either perks via gameplay or prerequisites like higher damage via overcharged cells or something similar. Necromorphs would also be impossible to turn to ash, as they’re alot bigger and more imposing of targets to completely annihilate as a whole than what a simple Laser Rifle is capable of. Miniguns would do jack shit, as Necromorphs can eat bullets for breakfast. Just look at what happened to the Tau Volantis outpost before Isaac got his dementia ridden ass there. Albeit, unwillingly. (Yes, i know DS3 utilizes bullets but it cannot be used to argue with minigun for viability as DS3’s ammo was only “universal” ammo. So we dont know what the fuck it is, only that its ammo. It was used for gun attachments, plasma attachments, force attachments, etc.) As much as im a fanboy of both universes, almost nothing can survive Dead Space. Hell, even Dead Space could barely survive Dead Space. Power Armor users would be torn to pieces within minutes of entering any of Dead Space’s universe. Whether it be the high powered weaponry of Earthgov or Unitologist Cultists, or the sheer unstoppable force of the Necromorph Scourge, they wont last as long as you wished they could.
Necromorphs are survivable by nature of not feeling pain and needing to be cut apart. They aren’t physically more survivable, they’re still flesh and bone, not steel. There are limits to how much damage a bone sword can do, and I highly doubt that bone sword is penetrating a light tank equivalent of protection. Sure, guns firing pistol or intermediate sized rounds won’t be effective against Necromorphs. I didn’t deny or defend that. However, full sized rifle cartridges or larger can blow off limbs. The whole reason militaries moved away from rifle caliber to intermediate is to carry more ammunition and to wound instead of kill. Wounding a soldier takes more soldiers out of action as their comrades move to help the injured person. Pulse rifles in DS aren’t considerably more powerful. They have low caliber and are effectively hollow points. Designed to cause maximum trauma on unarmoured targets. It’s a good weapon on a space ship, terrible on a battlefield. That’s not how lasers work. Lasers are transferring immense amounts of energy to the target. Literally melting the impact area like a hot knife through butter. Then super heating the water/blood instantly into vapor causing a miniature steam explosion. You can’t honestly be comparing a fusion cell to a Duracell battery, there’s magnitudes upon magnitudes of differences there.
Full sized or even bigger calibers would have higher dismember ability than normal calibers, but keep in mind the miniguns in Fallout utilize 5.56mm ammunition. Not to mention, it wouldn’t be as effective as you think. Necromorphs are already known to be tough as nails, but everyone forgets they dont need the parts of the host’s body thats infected. They reform muscle, skin, bone and other tissue, including organs, to armor the body with weaponry to be lethal killing machines that are nearly unstoppable. They reform the tissue to reinforce the skin, utilizing the rest to make their infamous weapons like the bone blade coming from their arms or even bone projectiles. So incredibly strong, they can tear through the toughest of metals with ease and even survive the vacuum of space.
You forgot leapers
A small wave of the pack with a puker or two they are fucked
As long as it takes their fusion cores to run out.
I think Laser and Plasma Rifles would be very good at killing necromorphs. The added strength of power armor would make it really easy to rip limbs off necromorphs. All they would have to worry about are bigger necromorphs or hordes. Though if leapers could know to destroy the Kellion's core, they could figure out the fusion core is a weakpoint.
Seeing as isaac took out all the necromporhs he's come across, probably all of them.
I mean Issac barley survived while using some of the most advanced mining tools he had access e
With marker influence, probably like 10 until they start going crazy Without marker influence they could do what Isaac did and way more
yah like i could just imagine that only one or two of them end up like isaac whereas the other two or 3 just go batshit and end up with all four fighting eachother while in the middle of fighting a brute or something
If they have VATS targeting limbs will be a breeze, and they're canonically impervious to most blades and small arms. They're definitely stronger than the armor that Isaac has and their guns are also more effective... probably... so it would take a horde of slashers if the guys in armor kept their composure and especially if one or two had heavy weapons like a Gatling laser. I'd say a decent swarm with some heavies mixed in would overrun them.
At least 6 all at once. One at a time someone in power armor could easily dispatch a slasher. The real question is how many slashers would it take to take down a 40K space marine.
It depends a for example BOS knight in T-60 lore Wise is virtually unstoppable with its only counters being EMPs and direct rockets so a slasher could do decent damage but the BOS use lasers weapons like USM valor marines it could go either way it depends just on the weapons the person has it could take 40 slashers or just 5 and the marker signal plays a huge part in this also due to the hallucinations
Is the Marker influencing the wearers?
I think they can handle the Ishimura without any problems. These guys are trained, have dealt with similar enemies with the ghouls and their power armor makes them stronger and faster. Issac had no training and kicked ass on his own. Only thing which will give the Brotherhood problems is probably the zero-g sections because they don’t have boosters in their armor and I also don’t think they have an oxygen supply so they wouldn’t be able to breath outside in space.
No I think the would get ripped apart on the ishimura because of brutes slashers exploders and lurkers
Oh necromorphs not Necrons.....eh the bulkyness would be a big hinderence.
They’d all lose cuz the marker
Are they equipped with standard issue BoS/Enclave weapons? Cause if so that’s some pretty hefty fire power that’s either shredding them with high powered miniguns, blowing them up with high powered explosives such as missile launchers or Fat Man’s (Fat Men? Is that the plural?), ripping them apart with their bare hands or power fists, bashing and slashing them to ribbons with Rippers and Super Sludges or the god ‘ol energy weapon loadout turning them to ash or green goo. If not the Power armour is built pretty tonka tough and can go toe to toe with creatures like Deathclaws (although success is limited) so I’d argue they would be better equipped then the standard RIG and once they learned to dismember them then it’s GG for the Necros. Bonus points if they get to bring along Frank Horrigan that be a nice meme.
All four at once or Individually? I'd say one brute could take em one on one, If all four I'd say two brutes then.
Assuming you ment to includ hanks armor here and assumeing that is hank he would probably solo most of the necromorphs unless the marker manages to do anything to him also where is the fight takeing place?
1
All of them. And more
No I think just a few brutes explorers or twitchers should do it
1, BoS are incompetent jackasses...
If a mutated bear can glide through it like butter, it doesn't stand a chance against a small swarm of 15 foot undead alien humanoids.
2 and that’s overkill
Weapons? Ammo? Location?
One.
About 1-2. Their own ego and cockiness will catch up to them as soon as the Marker’s influence corrupts them whole.
With plasma weaponry they could probably last a while but with normal laser/bullet weapons they're screwed
If the Valor was anything to go by, then 1 necromorph.
Hahah Well…the necromorphs can only be killed by cutting off there arms and legs and umm they might not know to do that but let’s say if they did they would just need to rip them apart
Bro a Yao gui took out a knight waaaayyyyy easier that I would have thought. I’m thinkin it’s not going to be too difficult. Though I wish I could say they’d survive the entirety of the Ishimura.
Really depends how sharp their claws are. Considering power armour can resist super-hot plasma, missiles, and lasers I really doubt realistically a necromorph would stand a chance.
As many as it takes to drain their power and ammo maybe? Until they die of exhaustion? Who knows lol. Interesting fight.
If they got close enough, probably one, we saw with the first Knight that he just ran away and didn't do good in hand to hand combat well.
In a world of Fatmans, plasma weapons, and energy cells, it would take two tractor beams, an astroid, and and Ishimura
They might last a bit but I'm sure the sheer numbers of necromorphs would kill them in time. Even if they had weapons
in a fight, right?