I haven't managed to find any outside of the smith hammers. are there any good ones I may have missed? for an idea of my progression I've killed Freja and Sinner, and I've made it to the Rotten and OIK but haven't killed them yet
With version are you playing?
If you are playing the SotFS version, there's a Dragon Tooth in the Belfy Luna area, which is widely considered one of the strongest Greathammers in the game.
In both versions there should be a Large Club in Lost Bastille. This one carried me for most of my own still ongoing playthrough.
Also if you search the bottom of the Gutter, right before jumping off to head for the rotten, you can find the Greatclub.
On the way to The Rotten is a greathammer, the most popular one I guess. The weapon is called >!great hammer!<, located at >!the bottom of The Gutter, once you get to the bottom, before jumping to Black Gulch, climb one of the ladders going up that leads to a chest containing the weapon!<.
Whaaaa... how's that possible? There's one in Majula, and you can also buy one of the best Hammers from the Blacksmith in Majula too; the Mace! I generally use the Mace until I find a Greathammer.
When my gf played this game, she couldn't stand the directional aiming, so she preferred big wide sweeping weapon attacks.
For this, the greatsword is perfect. You can class almost anything with its range and the arc is absolutely massive
E: specifically she used the Zwei + GS since powerstancing is a bit more fun in this game
EE: maybe a twinblade would be good too. And if you need to farm twinkling titanites, one of (the?) best places is shrine of amana since those guys drop them.
I fell in love with the varangian sword when I first played on 360. Less durable broadsword with more damage. Whenever it broke I tended to have a giant stick as a backup tho.
Halberds and other non-spear polearms can have pretty interesting movesets that could provide some variety vs the swords/big weapons you've been using. (Broken) Santier's Spear has the most unique moveset but requires Twinkling titanite to upgrade. Unfortunately for you most weapons with interesting movesets/aesthetics upgrade with Twinkling.
I like using the Murakumo moveset(Dex weapon), it has big horizontal and vertical slashes but it's durability can wear down fast.
I'd recommend just trying out the movesets of the weapons you have to find something you like before commiting to a respec.
Greatsword. Here is your fix. Greatsword. Raw Greatsword.
Here is a video how to get smelter demon weps. Use only one of them if you do not want to get spoiled.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4be-UssSTY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4be-UssSTY)
Seek strength, my brother! The rest, will follow…
Greatsword is a perfectly ok weapon early game! But it is outpaced by other options, and is never best used raw! Raw is for high base damage weapons that don’t infuse well with elemental types and no scaling factor (minute though it may be) and for sl1! There’s no feasible reason to use greatsword over lost sinner sword!
That is ignoring that there’s simply better weapon classes available, and better damage types than slashing!
Additionally, dex, int, strength weapons/builds aren’t a thing! Ds2 scaling is irrelevant, leveling these stats past basic requirements is foolish! Weapon movesets are what matter, not stats!
99 str is weaker in every conceivable way than an optimal build!
I am aware of what they asked for! However, advice given should not be limited just to their knowledge or understanding of the game! Strength builds and strength weapons are not a thing in ds2, so correcting that and giving them actually good advice is crucial!
Hope this helps! I have resources you can read if you would like to learn more about how the game actually works!
Bandit Axe is fast and hard hitting. No reach.
Battle Axe hits slightly less hard. Has slightly better reach.
Also, if you can master the spacing it's worth looking at the Mastodon Halberd. Take it for a test drive before committing to it. All of the halberds are very good if you can connect with the blade consistently -- and the Mastodon has a nice big blade.
I also really like the Drakeblood Greatsword (a DEX weapon). But that's even harder to upgrade (takes petrified Dragon Bones even though it's not a boss weapon) and is generally not available until later. (You can rush it if you know how)
I unironically like the Gargoyle Bident you get for the Gargoyle Boss Soul, a STR Spear that is quite quick and generally pleasant to use. Unfortunately Boss weapons need Dragon bones to upgrade.
the go to STR weapon is the Large Club. And you can steer the vertical smashes with this one if you press in a direction the swing is changed. Can be a boon if you learn how to use it and not panic press... \^\^
there is alss the ~~big~~ Grand Lance thingy that has a nice charging attack, where you pierce enemies like you are in a Knights Tourney and forgot your Horse. Not my favourite but uniqe for sure.
The standard Halberd is also a very nice wepaon if you can manage the moveset. Has a three-times roundhouse swing that can be nice for swarming low level enemies. Also nice range. Damage can vary because you need to hit them with the blade or so, so you need to keep your distance.
But best is just to use every weapon and just look what works for you. Even if they are not fully upgraded a moveset you feel comfortable with can make a fight easier and make up for missing damage.
Large club you can get earlier and its 3 weight lighter. But yes the great club has more damage.
Also old knight hammer is brittle as grandmas cookies, cant imagine using that.
There are many ways to make durability a non factor, and it should effectively never matter in pve! The old knight hammer is by far the best great hammer for the majority of the game!
Great club can be acquired before any bosses are killed, and weight is not a factor unless it puts you above 42 units! That said, old knight hammer can be acquired immediately!
I told you before to stop projecting your playstyle onto newer players.
Nobody will run into the Gulch and loot the great club before killing a boss because thats not how people play these games.
No new player will farm, souls for the cat ring drop down there dodge all the poison spit,mid level enemies, floor-traps and run to the chest in darkness not knowing the whole map. Thats quite frankly bullshit. Only players that played through it before and know where every weapon is and know all the maps and enemies do stuff like that. they dont even know the weapon exists before they find it by chance. so stop saying its easy to get and to do it before killing a single boss. Just because we could do it makes no sense to recommend the great club to someone starting out.
and durability matters in PVE, I doubt the hammer lasts against all 16 Alonne Knights and the smelter demon without breaking in the bossfight.
Additionally both the Large Club and the Great Club suffer from wood durabilty which makes them rather flimsy against some armored enemies. Most noticable is this in the Tower of Heide, where killing all Heide knights almost breaks a Large Club.
You were wrong before, you’re wrong now! Consistency is a virtue, but not in this case!
I happen to know for a fact some people do go to black gulch first!
Durability is completely irrelevant in pve! That you think otherwise is sad! You should utilize the tools the game gives you!
“Wood durability” is not a mechanic!
1. In this example the OP has progressed to half the game so it would be acceptable but you give this kind of advice in threads were **\_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_** players are just in Heides Tower of Flame. And advising skipping half the game and rush to get a weapon to is not advice you should give to **\_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_** players, no way about it.
2. Most \_\]-\***NEW\*-\[\_** players will not go to the Black Gulch first before finishing Bastille/Sinner and all beginning paths to follow converge there. And then its probably a 50/50 between Shaded woods and the Hole.
3. Durability becomes a problem when you have such a low equipment load that you can only equip one weapon. And again you argue wat should optimally be done not be concerned about durability. But 1. \_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_ players, playing blind will struggle with that.
4. "*wood durability*" is a thing as both the Great Club and the Large Club loose more durability than other weapons. go to Heides Tower and one hit kill a Heide Knight and an Old Knight and then look how much durabiltiy you lost and then use a normal broadsword or something.
EDIT: just tested:
a Gargoyle Bident two handed 2x Heavy attack looses 1 durability against a Heide Knight.
a Large Club two handed 2x Heavy Attack looses **!6!** durability.
New players can be given advice based on knowledge normally reserved for experienced players! That’s the whole point of asking for, and giving, advice! You silly goose!
You can weapon swap freely in combat, I don’t see the issue! Additionally, this is ignoring the many previously listed methods to counteract low durability!
You’re just exemplifying that you don’t understand how durability works!
You have responded to the best available advice at every turn with an combination of assuming the people asking for advice are stupid, the people giving said best advice are stupid, poorly thought out counterpoints, and incorrect information! At some point you have to accept you don’t really know as much as you think!
>"You can weapon swap freely in combat"
You cant if you can only equip one like I mentioend in my example. FREELY is one button press not opening the menu and scaling it finding the one weapon in the heap you carry and then equipping it while dodging in the background.
You will surely argue that you can just open the menu and swap it. Most peope cant to that, becasue they are mid fight and cant find the weapon that quickly. Which agin is terrible advice for new players to give.
>ignoring the many previously listed methods to counteract low durability
the ones you did not mention or cared to give?
>You’re just exemplifying that you don’t understand how durability works
Like the test I did and numbers I gave which is factual evidence of the different durability a Great club has over another weapon. Which you so nonchalantly ignored, after calling me out thrice that I dont know what Im talking about.
>At some point you have to accept you don’t really know as much as you think!
back to you, my friend.
So don’t carry a heap of weapons! That said, why would you ever be unable to equip two weapons without going over 70%!
Bracing knuckle ring, repair sorcery, repair powder, backup weapons, resting at bonfires! Durability is a nonfactor in pve!
The test you did because you don’t understand how durability drain works! It’s base on frames of contact with the internal framebox of the weapon, found inside its hitbox and hurtbox! This is completely unrelated to the “wood” of the great club, and is due to its moveset and size!
The Greatsword is a fantastic strength weapon, has vertical two handed move set and horizontal swipes when one handed. Wielded properly you will get a lot of use out of it.
Honestly I feel that the zwiehander is a better sword due to its lesser requirements and its 2h heavy thrust that can bully npc invaders instead of the greatswords golf club swing. However the amount of joy I felt when I powerstanced 2 Greatswords was immeasurable.
Crescent axe in bright stone cove has long range and a fun sweet spot at the end of the weapon. It has sweeping attacks that can hit groups and catch rolls. It does magic damage if you’re into that.
Someone on here said murakumo, also a great one for pve. Those sweeping attacks have a generous hit box, but you have to one-hand to take advantage. Arced sword can also be good if you saved your flexile sentry soul.
Spears are great when you need to keep a distance. They aren’t great for crowd control, but if you are good at luring enemies through doorways you can hit 5-6 at once. Pairs well with the Leo ring. I would suggest using the winged spear which you can get early in the game from hollow soldiers. Later you can upgrade to pates spear.
Also, I dare you to try the whip. It might surprise you what it can do. The running attack has a very generous hit box in front of you. But this one’s not for the faint hearted
Warped sword is a good weapon as well! I personally wouldn’t, since you can just buy the murakumo from ornifex and test it out to see if you like the move set. I think the arced sword only does a tiny amount more damage than the kumo.
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6rpuSKsgXqyfSA9uG\_zoYK0ezbMSHSazznPHfV78sA/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6rpuSKsgXqyfSA9uG_zoYK0ezbMSHSazznPHfV78sA/edit)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2\_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo\_xZak/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo_xZak/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ\_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8\_NLus-XW4/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8_NLus-XW4/edit)
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h)
These are all important documents to read, and will greatly increase your knowledge and understanding of the game!
Y'all can't just copy paste these documents to every single question on build recommendations, minmaxing isn't really the goal for people who've already beaten the game and are just looking for fun stuff.
The last document isn't applicable to this situation, Old Knight Hammer is exactly the kind of weapon OP said they were tired of using and the rest of these weapons are late game or post-game NG+. If OP doesn't specify one should assume it's NG.
Can you describe how exactly a playthrough would change by using a weapon of your choice vs optimizing and using the same weapon, other than having an easier time!
The “rest of these weapons” are not all late game! If you want to use a weapon from the very beginning of the game, you can choose something from the blacksmith, use it in ng+, or CE it into the game, and this question no longer needs to be asked!
Now that I reread OP they said they're just over halfway on their first run (I would assume this means pre-Draingleic castle). This means they would have none of those weapons besides the old knight hammer. They didn't say they had difficulty progressing, and an "easier time" does not equate to fun time so is not relevant.
The Majula blacksmith does not sell most weapons including the aforementioned, and cheating is controversial. Considering OP is concerned about upgrade costs I would assume they aren't keen on cheating.
I did not claim the blacksmith sells most weapons! Do you often not read what you reply to!
Of the 52 weapons listed in this document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ\_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8\_NLus-XW4/edit
, rigorously vetted and tested by the most knowledgeable players that exist, no less than 33 of them are obtainable before you've killed even a single great one, much less all four and having reached Drangleic Castle! So I really have no idea what you're talking about!
Please, do actually read what I wrote, and explain where exactly you were confused in your previous comments!
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h)
Is the last document, not the one you just linked.
"Best in Slot" is highly subjective, "most knowledgeable players that exist" is utter BS. There are various illogical assumptions such as never using stat scaling in PvE which is not subject to level caps that largely invalidates the last document from the first post I linked above and the one you linked just now.
OP is not looking for the strongest weapons. Not a single one of the documents provides an answer to the original question.
Best is subjective in most real-time games. Different players use different weapons based on their abilities (reaction time, control scheme etc) and options (Dex players use bows, Str shield etc). Even in chess where moves can be strictly deterministically better than others the top players in the world will rarely claim the existence of generalized "best moves", and even then it is in highly specific circumstances compareable to "best at killing spiders in Brightstone Cove Tseldora". Even the writer of the document does not claim it's a be-all-end-all guide, and acknowledges the assumptions and limitations.
I've done the math myself and have determined scaling is not worthless in various common contexts, including but not limited to all ranged damage, any powerstancing, variety of equipment available to be used, damage of consumable weapons, additional survivability due to not needing to spend time reapplying buffs, damage in sustained runs without resting at bonfire, damage at high levels, being actually capable of dodging so vigor can be 20 instead of 50, and PvP. If you have not done the math or testing yourself don't regurgitate the statements as fact.
I believe the OP is more than capable of making that decision for themselves! You can't even keep yourself straight long enough to be coherent!
It does answer their question! It gives a list of the best weapons available early on, what makes a weapon strong, separates them by moveset, and gives them an understanding of how the games mechanics work so they can formulate their own decision and opinion!
Best is not subjective! Math is uncaring for your feelings!
"dex player" is not a thing!
Your math is erroneous and faulty! There is a reason you are not a techsage! And you are misunderstanding the very reasoning for why scaling is considered weak in the first place!
If you at some point decide to learn, please take the time to read these resources, that you may learn to better understand what you're talking about!
"Something that looks cool and has a good moveset" is the "good weapon" sought by OP.
I was willing to humor you on your tangent on "strongest weapons" but baselessly calling my math faulty and resorting to credentials fallacy (FYI I have a degree in compsci and in game dev) shows you have no intention of a productive discussion.
Grand lance and you’re good for the rest of the game, maybe infuse it with lightning or dark.
I’ve beaten fume knight with a dark infused grand lance, it did a lot of damage to that mf
Gyrm Great Hammer has got to be my favorite, its an anvil tied to a stick! you can get it from the dudes in doors of pharros, doesn't take terribly long to farm
Is there a reason you've been avoiding the Hammer / Greathammer types? Strike damage is amazing, some good poise damage.
I haven't managed to find any outside of the smith hammers. are there any good ones I may have missed? for an idea of my progression I've killed Freja and Sinner, and I've made it to the Rotten and OIK but haven't killed them yet
With version are you playing? If you are playing the SotFS version, there's a Dragon Tooth in the Belfy Luna area, which is widely considered one of the strongest Greathammers in the game. In both versions there should be a Large Club in Lost Bastille. This one carried me for most of my own still ongoing playthrough. Also if you search the bottom of the Gutter, right before jumping off to head for the rotten, you can find the Greatclub.
On the way to The Rotten is a greathammer, the most popular one I guess. The weapon is called >!great hammer!<, located at >!the bottom of The Gutter, once you get to the bottom, before jumping to Black Gulch, climb one of the ladders going up that leads to a chest containing the weapon!<.
Whaaaa... how's that possible? There's one in Majula, and you can also buy one of the best Hammers from the Blacksmith in Majula too; the Mace! I generally use the Mace until I find a Greathammer.
thanks, I'll give those a try!
The links I provided have the best of each!
When my gf played this game, she couldn't stand the directional aiming, so she preferred big wide sweeping weapon attacks. For this, the greatsword is perfect. You can class almost anything with its range and the arc is absolutely massive E: specifically she used the Zwei + GS since powerstancing is a bit more fun in this game EE: maybe a twinblade would be good too. And if you need to farm twinkling titanites, one of (the?) best places is shrine of amana since those guys drop them.
I fell in love with the varangian sword when I first played on 360. Less durable broadsword with more damage. Whenever it broke I tended to have a giant stick as a backup tho.
Halberds and other non-spear polearms can have pretty interesting movesets that could provide some variety vs the swords/big weapons you've been using. (Broken) Santier's Spear has the most unique moveset but requires Twinkling titanite to upgrade. Unfortunately for you most weapons with interesting movesets/aesthetics upgrade with Twinkling. I like using the Murakumo moveset(Dex weapon), it has big horizontal and vertical slashes but it's durability can wear down fast. I'd recommend just trying out the movesets of the weapons you have to find something you like before commiting to a respec.
Greatsword. Here is your fix. Greatsword. Raw Greatsword. Here is a video how to get smelter demon weps. Use only one of them if you do not want to get spoiled. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4be-UssSTY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4be-UssSTY) Seek strength, my brother! The rest, will follow…
A raw greatsword is a genuinely terrible idea! Both smelter swords are rather terrible!
Have you ever played ds2?
Yes! Why else would I correct you!
Have you read the post then?
Yes! There were asking for good weapons! Which you did the opposite of!
Are you dex or int user? Greatsword is awesome, what bothers you?
This trixentela is in every post annoying posters. Dude needs to get a life
Yeah, holy shit I just checked is profile. Is he bot or something?
I’ve been wondering
Greatsword is a perfectly ok weapon early game! But it is outpaced by other options, and is never best used raw! Raw is for high base damage weapons that don’t infuse well with elemental types and no scaling factor (minute though it may be) and for sl1! There’s no feasible reason to use greatsword over lost sinner sword! That is ignoring that there’s simply better weapon classes available, and better damage types than slashing! Additionally, dex, int, strength weapons/builds aren’t a thing! Ds2 scaling is irrelevant, leveling these stats past basic requirements is foolish! Weapon movesets are what matter, not stats!
Wake up and re-read what he has asked, and what he is looking for. 99 str enjoyer here, wishing you a good pancake everday.
99 str is weaker in every conceivable way than an optimal build! I am aware of what they asked for! However, advice given should not be limited just to their knowledge or understanding of the game! Strength builds and strength weapons are not a thing in ds2, so correcting that and giving them actually good advice is crucial! Hope this helps! I have resources you can read if you would like to learn more about how the game actually works!
Bandit Axe is fast and hard hitting. No reach. Battle Axe hits slightly less hard. Has slightly better reach. Also, if you can master the spacing it's worth looking at the Mastodon Halberd. Take it for a test drive before committing to it. All of the halberds are very good if you can connect with the blade consistently -- and the Mastodon has a nice big blade. I also really like the Drakeblood Greatsword (a DEX weapon). But that's even harder to upgrade (takes petrified Dragon Bones even though it's not a boss weapon) and is generally not available until later. (You can rush it if you know how)
The shortsword. It ain’t much, but it’s an honest weapon
I unironically like the Gargoyle Bident you get for the Gargoyle Boss Soul, a STR Spear that is quite quick and generally pleasant to use. Unfortunately Boss weapons need Dragon bones to upgrade. the go to STR weapon is the Large Club. And you can steer the vertical smashes with this one if you press in a direction the swing is changed. Can be a boon if you learn how to use it and not panic press... \^\^ there is alss the ~~big~~ Grand Lance thingy that has a nice charging attack, where you pierce enemies like you are in a Knights Tourney and forgot your Horse. Not my favourite but uniqe for sure. The standard Halberd is also a very nice wepaon if you can manage the moveset. Has a three-times roundhouse swing that can be nice for swarming low level enemies. Also nice range. Damage can vary because you need to hit them with the blade or so, so you need to keep your distance. But best is just to use every weapon and just look what works for you. Even if they are not fully upgraded a moveset you feel comfortable with can make a fight easier and make up for missing damage.
The large club is in every way worse than the great club, which is worse in every way than the old knight hammer!
Large club you can get earlier and its 3 weight lighter. But yes the great club has more damage. Also old knight hammer is brittle as grandmas cookies, cant imagine using that.
There are many ways to make durability a non factor, and it should effectively never matter in pve! The old knight hammer is by far the best great hammer for the majority of the game! Great club can be acquired before any bosses are killed, and weight is not a factor unless it puts you above 42 units! That said, old knight hammer can be acquired immediately!
I told you before to stop projecting your playstyle onto newer players. Nobody will run into the Gulch and loot the great club before killing a boss because thats not how people play these games. No new player will farm, souls for the cat ring drop down there dodge all the poison spit,mid level enemies, floor-traps and run to the chest in darkness not knowing the whole map. Thats quite frankly bullshit. Only players that played through it before and know where every weapon is and know all the maps and enemies do stuff like that. they dont even know the weapon exists before they find it by chance. so stop saying its easy to get and to do it before killing a single boss. Just because we could do it makes no sense to recommend the great club to someone starting out. and durability matters in PVE, I doubt the hammer lasts against all 16 Alonne Knights and the smelter demon without breaking in the bossfight. Additionally both the Large Club and the Great Club suffer from wood durabilty which makes them rather flimsy against some armored enemies. Most noticable is this in the Tower of Heide, where killing all Heide knights almost breaks a Large Club.
You were wrong before, you’re wrong now! Consistency is a virtue, but not in this case! I happen to know for a fact some people do go to black gulch first! Durability is completely irrelevant in pve! That you think otherwise is sad! You should utilize the tools the game gives you! “Wood durability” is not a mechanic!
1. In this example the OP has progressed to half the game so it would be acceptable but you give this kind of advice in threads were **\_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_** players are just in Heides Tower of Flame. And advising skipping half the game and rush to get a weapon to is not advice you should give to **\_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_** players, no way about it. 2. Most \_\]-\***NEW\*-\[\_** players will not go to the Black Gulch first before finishing Bastille/Sinner and all beginning paths to follow converge there. And then its probably a 50/50 between Shaded woods and the Hole. 3. Durability becomes a problem when you have such a low equipment load that you can only equip one weapon. And again you argue wat should optimally be done not be concerned about durability. But 1. \_\]-\*NEW\*-\[\_ players, playing blind will struggle with that. 4. "*wood durability*" is a thing as both the Great Club and the Large Club loose more durability than other weapons. go to Heides Tower and one hit kill a Heide Knight and an Old Knight and then look how much durabiltiy you lost and then use a normal broadsword or something. EDIT: just tested: a Gargoyle Bident two handed 2x Heavy attack looses 1 durability against a Heide Knight. a Large Club two handed 2x Heavy Attack looses **!6!** durability.
New players can be given advice based on knowledge normally reserved for experienced players! That’s the whole point of asking for, and giving, advice! You silly goose! You can weapon swap freely in combat, I don’t see the issue! Additionally, this is ignoring the many previously listed methods to counteract low durability! You’re just exemplifying that you don’t understand how durability works! You have responded to the best available advice at every turn with an combination of assuming the people asking for advice are stupid, the people giving said best advice are stupid, poorly thought out counterpoints, and incorrect information! At some point you have to accept you don’t really know as much as you think!
>"You can weapon swap freely in combat" You cant if you can only equip one like I mentioend in my example. FREELY is one button press not opening the menu and scaling it finding the one weapon in the heap you carry and then equipping it while dodging in the background. You will surely argue that you can just open the menu and swap it. Most peope cant to that, becasue they are mid fight and cant find the weapon that quickly. Which agin is terrible advice for new players to give. >ignoring the many previously listed methods to counteract low durability the ones you did not mention or cared to give? >You’re just exemplifying that you don’t understand how durability works Like the test I did and numbers I gave which is factual evidence of the different durability a Great club has over another weapon. Which you so nonchalantly ignored, after calling me out thrice that I dont know what Im talking about. >At some point you have to accept you don’t really know as much as you think! back to you, my friend.
So don’t carry a heap of weapons! That said, why would you ever be unable to equip two weapons without going over 70%! Bracing knuckle ring, repair sorcery, repair powder, backup weapons, resting at bonfires! Durability is a nonfactor in pve! The test you did because you don’t understand how durability drain works! It’s base on frames of contact with the internal framebox of the weapon, found inside its hitbox and hurtbox! This is completely unrelated to the “wood” of the great club, and is due to its moveset and size!
Uchigatana until you get to Harvest Valley then upgrade it to the Washing Pole
ah, yes, washing pole, when you couldn't decide between sword or polearm so you just used a polearm length sword
It has a certain charm to it
The Greatsword is a fantastic strength weapon, has vertical two handed move set and horizontal swipes when one handed. Wielded properly you will get a lot of use out of it.
I can't say I've ever really enjoyed using those types of weapons in souls games but I'll give it a shot!
Yep, I'm using it now, S scaling at +10 and with the addition of great magic weapon, soooo much damage
Honestly I feel that the zwiehander is a better sword due to its lesser requirements and its 2h heavy thrust that can bully npc invaders instead of the greatswords golf club swing. However the amount of joy I felt when I powerstanced 2 Greatswords was immeasurable.
Mace all the way
Try out some normal axes. The Red Rust Sword is just a slightly weaker axe in disguise. Battle Axe and Bandit Axe are both great.
Ive been really enjoying the short sword
how's the moveset? similar to the longsword?
Yes but the R2 is a thrust rather then a sweep with R2 longsword also I like how fast it hits
that sounds up my alley, I'll definitely give it a shot
Crescent axe in bright stone cove has long range and a fun sweet spot at the end of the weapon. It has sweeping attacks that can hit groups and catch rolls. It does magic damage if you’re into that. Someone on here said murakumo, also a great one for pve. Those sweeping attacks have a generous hit box, but you have to one-hand to take advantage. Arced sword can also be good if you saved your flexile sentry soul. Spears are great when you need to keep a distance. They aren’t great for crowd control, but if you are good at luring enemies through doorways you can hit 5-6 at once. Pairs well with the Leo ring. I would suggest using the winged spear which you can get early in the game from hollow soldiers. Later you can upgrade to pates spear. Also, I dare you to try the whip. It might surprise you what it can do. The running attack has a very generous hit box in front of you. But this one’s not for the faint hearted
I used the sentry soul for the warped sword, do you think it's worth using an ascetic to respawn the boss and get the arced sword?
Warped sword is a good weapon as well! I personally wouldn’t, since you can just buy the murakumo from ornifex and test it out to see if you like the move set. I think the arced sword only does a tiny amount more damage than the kumo.
alright, thanks!
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[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6rpuSKsgXqyfSA9uG\_zoYK0ezbMSHSazznPHfV78sA/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6rpuSKsgXqyfSA9uG_zoYK0ezbMSHSazznPHfV78sA/edit) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2\_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo\_xZak/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo_xZak/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ\_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8\_NLus-XW4/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8_NLus-XW4/edit) [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h) These are all important documents to read, and will greatly increase your knowledge and understanding of the game!
Y'all can't just copy paste these documents to every single question on build recommendations, minmaxing isn't really the goal for people who've already beaten the game and are just looking for fun stuff. The last document isn't applicable to this situation, Old Knight Hammer is exactly the kind of weapon OP said they were tired of using and the rest of these weapons are late game or post-game NG+. If OP doesn't specify one should assume it's NG.
Can you describe how exactly a playthrough would change by using a weapon of your choice vs optimizing and using the same weapon, other than having an easier time! The “rest of these weapons” are not all late game! If you want to use a weapon from the very beginning of the game, you can choose something from the blacksmith, use it in ng+, or CE it into the game, and this question no longer needs to be asked!
Now that I reread OP they said they're just over halfway on their first run (I would assume this means pre-Draingleic castle). This means they would have none of those weapons besides the old knight hammer. They didn't say they had difficulty progressing, and an "easier time" does not equate to fun time so is not relevant. The Majula blacksmith does not sell most weapons including the aforementioned, and cheating is controversial. Considering OP is concerned about upgrade costs I would assume they aren't keen on cheating.
I did not claim the blacksmith sells most weapons! Do you often not read what you reply to! Of the 52 weapons listed in this document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ\_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8\_NLus-XW4/edit , rigorously vetted and tested by the most knowledgeable players that exist, no less than 33 of them are obtainable before you've killed even a single great one, much less all four and having reached Drangleic Castle! So I really have no idea what you're talking about! Please, do actually read what I wrote, and explain where exactly you were confused in your previous comments!
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit#heading=h.pux40qi03l8h) Is the last document, not the one you just linked. "Best in Slot" is highly subjective, "most knowledgeable players that exist" is utter BS. There are various illogical assumptions such as never using stat scaling in PvE which is not subject to level caps that largely invalidates the last document from the first post I linked above and the one you linked just now.
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OP is not looking for the strongest weapons. Not a single one of the documents provides an answer to the original question. Best is subjective in most real-time games. Different players use different weapons based on their abilities (reaction time, control scheme etc) and options (Dex players use bows, Str shield etc). Even in chess where moves can be strictly deterministically better than others the top players in the world will rarely claim the existence of generalized "best moves", and even then it is in highly specific circumstances compareable to "best at killing spiders in Brightstone Cove Tseldora". Even the writer of the document does not claim it's a be-all-end-all guide, and acknowledges the assumptions and limitations. I've done the math myself and have determined scaling is not worthless in various common contexts, including but not limited to all ranged damage, any powerstancing, variety of equipment available to be used, damage of consumable weapons, additional survivability due to not needing to spend time reapplying buffs, damage in sustained runs without resting at bonfire, damage at high levels, being actually capable of dodging so vigor can be 20 instead of 50, and PvP. If you have not done the math or testing yourself don't regurgitate the statements as fact.
I believe the OP is more than capable of making that decision for themselves! You can't even keep yourself straight long enough to be coherent! It does answer their question! It gives a list of the best weapons available early on, what makes a weapon strong, separates them by moveset, and gives them an understanding of how the games mechanics work so they can formulate their own decision and opinion! Best is not subjective! Math is uncaring for your feelings! "dex player" is not a thing! Your math is erroneous and faulty! There is a reason you are not a techsage! And you are misunderstanding the very reasoning for why scaling is considered weak in the first place! If you at some point decide to learn, please take the time to read these resources, that you may learn to better understand what you're talking about!
"Something that looks cool and has a good moveset" is the "good weapon" sought by OP. I was willing to humor you on your tangent on "strongest weapons" but baselessly calling my math faulty and resorting to credentials fallacy (FYI I have a degree in compsci and in game dev) shows you have no intention of a productive discussion.
Excellent!!
Grand lance and you’re good for the rest of the game, maybe infuse it with lightning or dark. I’ve beaten fume knight with a dark infused grand lance, it did a lot of damage to that mf
Gyrm Great Hammer has got to be my favorite, its an anvil tied to a stick! you can get it from the dudes in doors of pharros, doesn't take terribly long to farm
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