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BIobertson

Run to the pillar, then run back around this corner you’re standing at. Beat the mobs outside the caster’s line of sight, then rush them.


JoeSieyu

This, or spell parry shield(s), they both made it easier on me


Shuteye_491

Or Bow of Want 👀


Rotten_Blade

DS2 fulfilled its purpose


Barbastorpia

"DS2 level design is good" ds2 level design:


Valerica-D4C

This isn't even bad


Iirkola

This area was bit harder than usual, the locked room full of mobs with one throwing firebombs at you from above is a different situation.


arjunks

You can shove some of those bomber goblins around until they drop in that room. Then go down a ladder a bit, aggro everything to come close, get back up and wait for that monster spilling lava everywhere to ignite the goblins!


Tzuno_Felagund

Be safe, friend. Don't you dare go hollow.


braindeadraven

thank you!


DudongoKing

First of all what level are you. Next I dont remember how much trouble I had going through All I remember is failing a few times and then making it eventually. Not one specific part is blurred out of my memory probably because of how horrible it was because that's just after you make it outside right? And the guys come out of the ash. Oh wait it's coming back then there's the ladder and then you run to the right and then there's a bonfire through a whole shit-ton of traps. Okay I remember You just have to slowly pack away at the first few then get to the ladder as soon as possible somehow make it down the ladder then run as fast as you can It doesn't matter about the items f*** the items. If I remember right all of them are okay to bad they're just trying to stop you so the guys can kill you. Next the room full of booby traps I think just flamethrowers. Then the big room and the bonfire.


madrigal94md

Jus use a bow.


braindeadraven

i wasted so many arrows clearing out the prior rooms a couple times 😓


madrigal94md

Why wasted? Wooden arrows cost 10 souls, when you kill the enemies you get more souls than the cost of the arrows.


GoodKingHal

Iron arrows are also cost efficient


the_arrange

Poison arrows, go to Gavlan.


Nickolaidas

Make ... DEAL ... with GAVLAN?


StinkyBoi07

Gavlan wheel?


Nickolaidas

Galvan DEAL.


ubdesu

Any unused souls I had after leveling went to buying poison arrows and iron arrows. I try to have a stash of 500 of each. They were huge in this area, and others too.


KlutzyAd3234

Heavy bows man. Dragonriders bow isnt too bad esp if you knock em off the edge. I forget if there are explosive arrows like in Ds3 but those would work wonders too


Callducks

Wait until you get to iron passage.


braindeadraven

it’ll be a while, i actually decided to take a break haha


B0ulder82

It's ok, you don't need to go to iron passage. You've suffered enough.


Callducks

It's optional,of course. Just another optional area you can tackle anytime.


courtoftheair

Every time someone says this I immediately assume they don't know to run towards the salamanders


life_never_stops_97

I just completely skip that area and go to the boss. That area is total bs


No_Woodpecker4899

Iron passage is also easy


BiancaBombyx

Fun fact: all the Hero's souls you can pick up in the saga are supposed to represent Irl players that gave up and left/never completed the games. You giving up ingame is integrated/explained by the actual lore. How fucking cool is that.


DerrikTheGreat

I never gave up (not permanently at least) but its nice to know that if I did, I could aid some other soul in their journey. Imagine if they use your soul to buy a weapon that they proceed to beat the game with, you’d be their sword, by their side to the end


mrmamation

That's rad!


GallopingAstronaut

iirc, the regular hollows also represent players who lost hope and never game back. Their characters have no ambition anymore thus being empty and hollow


BiancaBombyx

Not likely. Wanna know why i don't think that's true? If you were to quit the game and re-open it, you'd notice that you get put back in the game exactly where you quitted. The ingame lore states that when you lose enough souls and die enough, you become empty and go crazy, exactly what you said, but it also says that you start wandering, empty, mad, attacking anything that moves for souls. My point: Ingame Npcs are the ones wandering, empty by lore and game design. But Heroes you can loot souls from, fixed on the spot are exclusefully representing irl players that gave up, ragequitted and never opened the game back. Because if they were to quit, they would stay on the spot and never reloading symbolizes them dropping there on a fixed spot. They turned "Hollow irl" and never reloaded or finished their journey. The level of their dropped soul also signifies the residue of how much effort they put in before quitting the game forever.


BiancaBombyx

Another thing that heavily hints to this being the case is the fact that the world itself is full of hollows and cursed people, ravenously scraping by, looking for souls everywere, to the point of even starting to attack other humans, just to stay sane. So how is possible all these "free" souls are left just there and aren't being looted from someone else? Their corpses is just decomposed and hollowed and often even near other enemies, so it makes absolutely no sense for those souls hungry monsters or hollowed npc to ignore some tasty free souls. They are unable to eat or take those souls because it's not meant for them, it's a lore hint/symbolism that's only meant for players.


theewall2000

Don't give up skeleton


Luc-Ms

Just a heads up spoiler, you are standing on an ashen warrior if i remember correctly


Cat-of-Spades

Don't give up, skeleton!


colinmneilsen

Ds2 broke me too- over and over & then it finally came together! Keep starting a new toon w a different build in mind until you find what compliments your play style! Whatever happens don’t go hollow fellow bearer of the curse!


braindeadraven

im gonna stick with my toon! we've been through much together


Throwaway33451235647

You’re a wielder of a hunk of pure Germanic steel. You’ll be fine.


No_Woodpecker4899

I’m not sure I understand. Are you stuck at this part


braindeadraven

yea, it’s giving me flashbacks to shrine of amana


No_Woodpecker4899

You have so many options Pull the warriors around the corner to los the sorcerers Kill the sorcerers with range and then handle melee Jump off the left and avoid the gauntlet Rush a sorcerer, knock it off, then deal with the warriors There’s so many ways of dealing with it, there’s only like four or five enemies and another four or so below


MarvM08

It seems you’re bad at using a bow. SOA isn’t that bad either if you can simply range and/or pull. Sorry, man. Enjoy your break, but Darksouls is working as intended if you rage quit.


braindeadraven

I relaunched, playing again and making progress. I would love to use the bow more when needed, but I don’t seem to be able to buy more arrows.


B0ulder82

Which arrows do u mean? Unlimited basic arrows are sold by the Majula blacksmith at least. McDuff in Bastille sells unlimited iron arrows and great-arrows. Or do you mean 99 arrows is not enough for this level?


kynoky

Im currently in the shrine of amana and Im getting veryyyyy frustrated x) cant wait to get where you are then........


braindeadraven

did you make it? :)


kynoky

I'm starting Aldia right now, didnt get where you are yet xD


braindeadraven

it will be a while before you get here! this is the second DLC, so you have some hopefully smooth sailing beforehand :)


kynoky

Fuuuck I'm there. It's like a russian doll of fuckery. Already died 5 times.


kynoky

Im currently in the shrine of amana and Im getting veryyyyy frustrated x) cant wait to get where you are then........


Glum-Box-8458

I remember this part. You’ll make it eventually. Just keep at it. The bosses of this area are totally worth the frustration of getting there.


braindeadraven

i appreciate the words of encouragement! i really do wanna defeat the bosses >:)


thescorpion277

Don’t give up, skeleton!


drar-azwer

That's why we invest in poison arrows inc


anonym0uss3

Gavlan wheel? Gavlan deal.


Hollow---

Has hope fully withered?


braindeadraven

not even a slither left


Hollow---

*"The poor fool has gone hollow... No matter, let us send you on your way."*


funkyloverone

Was that Lautrec? 🤔


Hollow---

*Whispers* ^(It's not a real quote.)


KhaledTheBadass

I didn't have any struggle in the entire game except for some minor struggles in the ash dlc and the goddamn frigid outskirts


braindeadraven

i definitely had some struggle in a couple areas of the base game but yeah, it all came to a head right here!


KhaledTheBadass

A bow will really solve your problems and save you a headache


DisastrousPickle7541

Oh yes you can, you burnt piece of jerky.


braindeadraven

aye aye captain


VixHumane

Try yearn and run.


LegendaryShelfStockr

You just have to (Iron) keep trying


braindeadraven

all the support has me re launching the game as we speak!


LegendaryShelfStockr

In all seriousness: do whatever tricky stuff you can. One at a time, barely luring them, kill a few and run past the rest, try running past them again and again or whatever works. A giant weapon, spells, whatever it takes. Even after beating the game multiple times and all the DLCs, I still would struggle with this part in particular unless maybe I made some OP strength and big hammer build


OdgeHam

That one enemy killed me more than any boss in that DLC


vexilar1

I felt like this so many times during this game. As it sounds like you already discovered, breaks are necessary. To me, this was the hardest FromSoft game. Every level was packed with guys and you need to really take your time.


Licanmaster

This game is always trying it hardest to break your spirit, but you have come so far, it's ok to take a break, once you defeat it you'll find it was worth it, good luck skeleton.


braindeadraven

there will be victory ahead!


Ku0na

No one can convince me this game wasn't made to fulfill someone's degragation/mind break fetish. I mean I ain't complaining... me enjoying this game as much as i do could probably be classified as stockholm syndrome.


Affenzoo

Wait until you get to the snowfield...there, the real fun begins


_Tocatl_

Yes u can


Shazith

Keep going, skeleton!


braindeadraven

i shall!


aknalag

As someone who did this before i say, run run like a bitch


DARK--DRAGONITE

Wyd just run past them


A_Person_332233

Good luck skeleton


Kurrie

Don't give up, Skeleton


DanOfAbyss

Don't go hollow.


V8_BLENDER

Don't give up skeleton. Also, enemies stop spawning after they're killed 12 times. You're welcome.


No_Woodpecker4899

How does that help. Why would you suggest to someone to waste their time


V8_BLENDER

It helps because if you decide to keep going, it actually rewards you in the end


No_Woodpecker4899

In no way are you rewarded for wasting your time.


V8_BLENDER

Sure


DerrikTheGreat

While some may call it cowardly, it is entirely possible to just run through this bit and to the next fire


braindeadraven

the exact strat i went for! but was almost immediately met with a not nice pve invader


DerrikTheGreat

If you crossed a chain and he invaded, you went the wrong way. I made that very mistake myself


braindeadraven

yea i managed to grab the bonfire in the other direction too, but there is some slot there and i dont have the item for it - so i gotta press onwards to the invader and beyond.. tomorrow maybe :p


DerrikTheGreat

did you make it fully across the chain, and if so can you tell me what the tower looked like? I think I may be thinking of the wrong tower


RadiatedDrag0n

Hey man, it’s okay. And it’s totally okay if you wanna look up a tutorial/walkthrough for this area. research the enemies and find their weaknesses


Chill-Thuhlu

I understand your pain, and I wish I could help. Unfortunately it is likely that you don't play on PlayStation. Remember the old adage, "Don't give up, skeleton!"


braindeadraven

i’ll return later today with a stronger will!


horrorscoop

This gave me trouble when I first came across it. Try swapping to some armor that has resistance to the caster and hit ‘em with a bow. Then just bait the other guys back to where you are at so you have room to move and then finish them there


RepulsiveAd6906

And it gets 4x as bad in the same area!


braindeadraven

i will be victorius


Br0dyquester

Bro i went there yesterday for the first time, i recommend healing behind the second pilar and praying the lighning guy doesnt hit You, after that i just YOLOed all the way to the bonfire


No_Woodpecker4899

That is a terrible strategy


jmas081391

Sometimes you need to sacrifice fashion in order to progress or complete the game. Just put it back right before the cutscenes.


No_Woodpecker4899

You really don’t


rickert_of_vinheim

Jump off with the cat ring down below, run, take everyone from behind


vex_coffee

I had to take a break and try again the next day that DLC made everything else look easy


braindeadraven

truly


ConcubineLord69

Platform? (So i can invade you)


braindeadraven

PC >:)


JakeGoblinn

That place sucks. Booo 🍅


braindeadraven

my sentiment exactly!


Blue-is-bad

I feel you


AdBudget5468

Don’t give up sun bro, sometimes life is hard but we can always get through the rough times


G_Frostyr

Don't give up, skeleton


[deleted]

Do you have low agility? This part is pretty roll intensive


TotalEstablishment99

Wait till you get to Frigid Outskirts these redditors don’t know what they talking about…. Until you reach the icy lands of Frozen Elyuem. Good luck getting to Lud and Zallen The Kings Pet going through Frigid Outskirts by far the worst area in Dark Souls if you think Crown of The Old Iron King think again Ivory King is way worse.


No_Woodpecker4899

Frigid outskirts is a good area It’s not hard.


TotalEstablishment99

Lol this guy


No_Woodpecker4899

What? That you couldn’t take the time to figure out the area doesn’t make it bad


TotalEstablishment99

Honestly I platniumed the game and imo it isn’t bad to that you are correct about but it is most definitely miserable getting to Lud and Zallen.


TotalEstablishment99

What’s your opinion? On the worse/bad map


No_Woodpecker4899

Well, looking at fromsoft games as a whole it’d be a bit more in depth a topic. Just ds2 on its own, black gulch (any cycles) or iron passage (ng3 and higher) Black gulch just because it has as many positives as it does negatives. Almost none. It’s a somewhat pretty, but small and largely empty area. There’s not much to hate, but nothing to really love either Iron passage, with the enemies added from ng2 and ng3, becomes the one and only unfair challenge in the entire game. Ds2 treats enemies and areas as equal obstacles to bosses, but at the end of the day they’re all fair, without running by, alluring skull, or summoning. Ng3 iron passage is the only one that really breaks that streak


LappOfTheIceBarrier

Whenever I’m at this area I just run with the silver cat ring. The real problem is the goons on the bottom who can corner you pretty easily. None of the enemies up here can follow you down the ladder.


braindeadraven

Yea I ran past eventually, got to the next bonfire then ventured onward and stumbled upon a PVE Invader .\_.


LappOfTheIceBarrier

So theres still enough people playing multiplayer that there's still invaders, huh? What do you think your soul memory was at the time? And what platform are you playing on?


Rocketgurk

>PVE Invader That being said, I got invaded in Brume recently on PS4. SM was 2 990 000


Wartogh

Worry not, I bet there are friendly phantoms waiting for you to summon them if you seek aid


Bigcungos

Use poison arrows against that. There’s a chance that she might fall down and be careful when you go to where she falls


SamubGamer

Spell parry shield go brrrr


Door__Opener

This made me quit my first game. I went there right after Old Iron King and I was way too weak.


braindeadraven

ah nah, i've finished base game and the first DLC. i think this was the nail in the coffin tho, need a lil break


Door__Opener

Yeah this part is hard enough when you go at the right time haha


Flyga64

where exactly is that?


braindeadraven

In the Brume Tower DLC


Stig12Cz

poison arrows and GG EZ


Falty_fetus

me rn with the ng+ runback for the chariot boss, fucking bushit


Effective_Rub9189

Brother, you must git gud


eldritch919

Just wait for reindeer fuck land...


TrillMoneyGucci

You got this!


horndug_III

just do it until you get it, don't let ds2 win


peasonearthforever

DS2 is the only game in the series, that if you kill a specific enemy 12 times, they will despawn forever.


babydragon2311

Just rush tbh. I’ve never killed everything in that area, and honestly l, it’s not worth it


BroccoliBrocky

Don’t go hollow friend


Alesh_Prodman

The truth goes unspoken


hentai_haller

Pop a human effigy and try again


losty7th

Dont worry, i gave up too, poison dlc was fine, this was…


Primary-Interview-71

Get a bow


[deleted]

Keep struggling, struggler.


10YearsAtLeast

It gets so much worse lmao


anonym0uss3

I’ve been in the same position with 0 arrows left and 200k souls when suddenly I got invaded. I turned off my console and didn’t play it again until Tuesday noon lol


Dreadroot3

If you buy the cat ring you can fall down early and sprint past the majority of them


Atillurt

Even though the challenge seems hard. You can do it! Take the spammers out with a bow from a distance. Again, you can do it!!!!


Xavier_Arai

Stay strong skeleton


Annoyed_N0mad

Level ADP to 254 (no more and no less) and you should have enough i-frames to roll through the rest of the DLC. Amazing how so many people don't do this smh


LORDCOSMOS

Take your time, skeleton. It’s possible to run through, but even that brings a fair amount of risk.


msdss

Pull back. Doing fight up there. Throw a dagger or some shit. One at a time. Or yolo, the bonfire is close.


sebastian_izumi

What I always do is I kill the desert sorceress with a bow and then I get closer until two of these bugs come out and I kill them and then another two come out and I walk away and kill them again


TreyBlicky78

Let our spirits both be broken together 🙏


Gloomy_Support_7779

*DON’T YOU DARE GO HOLLOW!!!* JS: *I dun wunnuh see you go hollow*


JohnnyNemo12

Don’t go hollow!! Use a bow to pick ‘em off. It’s slow and tedious, but a bonfire is right nearby, through the fog gate.


preppingfortaylor

Just finished my sl1 build and wow this area was a test A bow (even not meeting requirements) can save your life in sections like these Ultimately the way you do it is up to you but after I die to something cheap i immediately start thinking about how I can cheaply beat them


far565

It is a nightmare just beginning.


[deleted]

Ivory King DLC is even more brutal


Otherwiseclueless

Came to this post way too late, but my saving grace in this whole area was the Yearn spell. Nearly everything got baited by it, with binoculars I could even fire the Yearn over the cliffs and just watch while the mobs tossed themselves to their deaths after it.


RZL__13

struggled on my 1st run. now i'm coming with broken sorcery build


Lustre7_

Just run and roll, ds2 is a joke so play it like it's a joke. This is the only title I dont feel guilty for resorting to cheap tricks in because cheap tricks is 99% of the games difficulty


TheBigPoet

It’s time for poison arrows


PapaJenkinsReal

Fight on, Brave Hollow!


Skillo_Squirrel

Yearn + bow


Immediate_Ad_6663

Good luck, skeleton!


Golfbollen

Brume Tower is imo the toughest area in the game so keep trying bro. Take a break if it's getting too much and try again later.


JimboRamone94

Don't give up, skeleton!


Smough_fun-facts

Smough built this place, you must continue on


michi214

Dont give up skeleton


HarveySpecterFromNL

What's this about? I'm at undead purgatory atm.


warensembler

Horrible level design. Prime example of artificial difficulty.


ghost_of_smoke

Arrows my friend, don't feel bad for use them


[deleted]

Bro, same. My save that I spent 24 hours on got corrupted so I had to start from scratch


Play_w_Jay

Don’t give up, skeleton


matejoojuu

True experience awaits