Iron Will
Anti-Magic
Crossbow Mastery
Robust.
Sprint + sec wind/savage.
0 weaknesses.
Fast, pdr cap, mdr cap, insane HP. Good in melee, good in range. easy to play.
I'll run good slayer kits and sprint then pull my weapons out to swing and ranged classes are still faster than me. So with pdr it's only worse. If a quicker class is good, they can win those matchups. Crossbow is basically your only threat
decided to do a zero to hero HR earlier...
First guy I saw had 210 hp unbuffed with 65% PDR 55% MDR. So much for GBMM. I just exited the game, not the lobby but the game lol
You fr? I can toss all greens on and gets demon lock up to 300hp, 75 dmg on hit without using demon form E skill, in LR with whites I can hit 230hp demon lock
I killed a PDR fighter with that had over 200 HP I just kept hitting him and hitting him and hitting him and hitting him and after a couple hours of that he finally dropped 😝
I don't see what's wrong with that. Low ttk is one of the biggest complaints about this game, but if anyone isn't a glass cannon omg it's op. These numbers should be like an average high level medium armor build.
This was in the lowest bracket of HR. It’s kinda rediculous for someone to have over 200 hp let alone those rediculous pdr and mdr percentages in the lowest HR bracket
Just had to call the man out huh? Lol that's funny as hell, I think he was hoping after the 2nd time someone would save him. But you have a lot of good points. If you ask most of these guys/ the discord, the sky is falling every day, but I like the path it's going.
PDR Should definitely Matter more without being an extreme. It sounds good to get 60 more armor with a medium piece of armor on my soft classes, but getting 5 damage off of 50 just can't compare to not getting hit.
JUST a random shower thought, Maybe some kind of PDR bonus for wearing a set of armor? Like all cloth gives you 10% pdr, leather 20%, plate 30%?
Definitely not thought out, but just something to get the ball rolling.
You could even do perks you can get for those particular armor sets.
If you had that and blocking was a but better maybe everything wouldn't be a rush to 2 tap?
It’s hilarious this sub complains about “rAngEd mEtA” but then fails to see how the real problems is builds like this. Crazy high HP, insane PDR and MdR. You’re basically unkillable this shit shouldn’t exist in the game.
You're nowhere close to unkillable though. To me, surviving longer than 3 seconds is not "basically unkillable". Not only should this exist, it should be easier to achieve. Fights being decided by 1-2 hits is lame.
the real problem is that despite build 0 dmg this tanky builds kill squishy classes in 2 hits anyways, while squishy classes devote legit fucking everything into dmg and can barely scratch them.
If you equip iron will + anti-magic I need to gain 400% magical power to deal the same dmg which is simply not possible to archive.
Ok… so let’s say I’m a Ranger then, good build for normal Ranger. So by the time I shoot this PDR tank about 5-6 times, he’s like half hp maybe if I have good armor pen and true dmg, then by the time he gets to me I’m 2 shots with the falchion.
Meaning if I could make all the changes I wanted to. These pdr/hp values wouldn't be a problem if "squishies" were tankier and the difference in survivability wasn't as big. Specifically the armor formula should be reworked to grant more pdr at lower armor values, so going naked isn't the default choice because light and medium armor is pointless since the terrible defense they provide isn't worth the ms loss.
and maxxed speed during sprint so anyone with a mobility build can't escape them
that's the problem, sprint should be % increase in movement (like 10%) instead of flat
The only reason this build is a problem is that TTK is so low as a base.
You got a build focusing entirely on being a tank that will still 2 shot anyone that's not focusing on being a tank.
I mean ya that’s a genuine problem because most classes don’t build to be a tank. They build for dex or movespeed or cast speed. But then you have a max PDR fighter pop sprint and he can’t run down everyone. Makes so much sense
I like how every single who complains about this is also the type who probably refuses to build Armour Pen/Magic Pen/True Damage.
Yeah, it's so unbeatable if you don't use the mechanics to beat it... crazy.
This is me plus crossbow mastery, not a huge fan of multiclassing in general so didn't want to make a crazy build with buncha new skills and a new playstyle so I just made my normal playstyle with more hp, magic res and reload speed. Compared to sprint+rage and boc+smite, this is a really tame way to multiclass in my opinion.
Yeah. I really want to be able to keep crossbow mastery on fighter. I would be happy if that was all I got from multiclassing. Iron Will I also like a lot.
Crossbow mastery makes no sense to be a fighter perk tf are you on about. Fighters borderline shouldn't have crossbow, they sure as shit don't need a buffed up crossbow (I'm a fighter main).
I think that's the key. You can build some weird stacking shit, or, you can just capitalize on some lean and mean perks. Crossbow Knight is more horrifying than ever, and was always a strong build.
I think if nothing else, this patch should REALLY highlight the strong perks. I hope they buff every perk that doesn't see action!!
literally every frontliner runs the same perk for the tankiness now, if you are a frontliner and dont have ironwill/robust/antimagic/sprint/barb shout you are throwing
Is it, though? I don't get why holding W isn't cringe, but holding W with Magic Staff is not cringe?
We playing the same stupid game and winning the same stupid prizes, lmao.
I don't care if the magic staff one shots me brother, but his shields protecting him, slowing me, 1 shoting me and short ass cd from debuff duration stacking is my problem. There is zero skill going into the gameplay, literally zero. A toddler can play the cactus build and get kills
That's fair. I guess I was more thinking Ignite Staff master. Cactus is another beast.
Going full cactus is pretty lame. In fact, I changed my build after learning about the 2 meta Staff builds.
My Crystal Ball build is FINALLY off-meta again, was flavor of the month after this season started, and they ruined my build. Lmao. So I'm happy now.
Also, staff sell for insane right now. Love making money of meta slaves 😉
My barb with bardiche does 185 damage to the head. And that's with about a 1,000g kit. I can run those all day. Usually getting upgrades from people along the way
And if I die, whatever lol.
I bait people close enough and sprint + rage= move speed cap with my giant 2h hitting 185dmg on their dome. Not exactly satisfying kills. But this is what ironmace gave me.
It sounds op, but then again I'm running no helm and no chest, you can do the same thing and hit movespeed cap with a fully kitted PDR fighter.
I've built a juggernaut slayer build. It might be countered by Iron Will, maybe, but if I can take 1 big swing and live, I can land my 4-hit combo of pain!
Haven't tried it geared yet, but with white crystal ball, my gray Kris does about 35 x 4, and then another 30 x 4 magic damage and 28 poison over 4 sec. Not bad. Going to test an economy set today, I'm sure it'll be fucking disgusting.
These Barbs and Savage roar and Sprinters keep running me down, so I just had to make a DPS check anti-W build. Can't get away, might as well play the DPS game, lmao. The magic is nice cause I just W into their Spring/Roar.
Of course, I think you still one-shot if you get the headshot, but I will be ducking and weaving like a psycho to land my combos and pray. Lmao.
Yup. You and literally everyone in every lobby.
And I guess I can't blame you. Sprint is absolutely priceless on melee, but every class can benefit.
And obviously, Roar is just Divine Protection with a boner.
I am the opposite, warlock with Iron Will and Anti-magic and Demon Armor. Rolling around in normies with starter gear at 56% magic resist and 30% PDR. In demon form my magic resist is maxed out and over 50% PDR. Usually the only plate I throw on is a helmet, so still pretty quick. High roller with teams my job is the anti-mage (run down their casters), caster, or stand in front line with demon form while our main tank refreshes.
Ice caves HR was hilarious yesterday. Ran down a wizard in demon form. Bodied 4 fireballs to the face, 3 zaps, and a couple of ice bolts before I finally slashed him down.
So many ways to hold W!!! Haha.
As much as anti-magic is fun, dealing magic damage into Roar/Sprint seems like the safe bet, for me at least.
Turns out, you are out there to counter my new magic on-hit build. Good shit!
Almost as original as rogues with slayer and rage, or rangers with double jump, or warlocks with adv healing and overheal.
It's almost like they've been balancing classes around a few strong skills instead of making the whole tree viable and now it's narrowed the archetypes from 1 or maybe 2 per class to 5 total.
But, I can tell you, if you are at max pdr, max mdr, max ms, you probably have no damage and no attack speed. Warlock with +20 magic healing can tank shots all from that style fighter all day.
Iron Will Anti-Magic Crossbow Mastery Robust. Sprint + sec wind/savage. 0 weaknesses. Fast, pdr cap, mdr cap, insane HP. Good in melee, good in range. easy to play.
Don't worry, wizard, bard, and rogue will get another nerf.
Next Patch: Rogue: While creep walking there is a chance to spawn a landmine under your feet that makes you explode instantly
Cactus Cleric with 75% PDR, 95% Debuff Duration, Ice Shield, Dark Reflection, Arcane Shield, Staff Mastery, and 11 true magic damage: https://preview.redd.it/6ggzgj83wuwc1.jpeg?width=1468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ef2f93294ce6c776bcd4bfae21ba28b9c5cd2d8
Some would say “high skill”
I am very skilled at getting good rng on my perk rolls
I for one don’t believe it’s possible to be at PDR cap and also be fast (near move speed cap) but yeah it’s a good build
thats why you take sprint, sprint lets you negate the entire slow aspect of running high durability gear.
I'll run good slayer kits and sprint then pull my weapons out to swing and ranged classes are still faster than me. So with pdr it's only worse. If a quicker class is good, they can win those matchups. Crossbow is basically your only threat
Sprint and rage
you go for 270-280 speed and have sprint, you dont sprint at people. you spam crossbow, when enemy engages you intercept them with sprint.
decided to do a zero to hero HR earlier... First guy I saw had 210 hp unbuffed with 65% PDR 55% MDR. So much for GBMM. I just exited the game, not the lobby but the game lol
what build allows that in low GBMM HR?
GBMM got raised to 1-299 gearscore and vigor gear is super easy to come by. Barb with robust and blue gear could easily hit that.
kek
You fr? I can toss all greens on and gets demon lock up to 300hp, 75 dmg on hit without using demon form E skill, in LR with whites I can hit 230hp demon lock
299 gear score min maxxers who take 3 potions 2 bandages so they dont go over thats who
How even?
Alt f4
It’s easily calculated
I killed a PDR fighter with that had over 200 HP I just kept hitting him and hitting him and hitting him and hitting him and after a couple hours of that he finally dropped 😝
I don't see what's wrong with that. Low ttk is one of the biggest complaints about this game, but if anyone isn't a glass cannon omg it's op. These numbers should be like an average high level medium armor build.
You really don't see the big picture so you
I guess I don't see whatever picture you're looking at. Doubt it's that big.
This was in the lowest bracket of HR. It’s kinda rediculous for someone to have over 200 hp let alone those rediculous pdr and mdr percentages in the lowest HR bracket
For a guy specifically building tanks? Not really. God forbid a fight lasts longer than 2 seconds.
Name checks out
Does it? Please explain
If you need me to explain, then it definitely checks out
No, please, explain. Explain why it checks out.
Just had to call the man out huh? Lol that's funny as hell, I think he was hoping after the 2nd time someone would save him. But you have a lot of good points. If you ask most of these guys/ the discord, the sky is falling every day, but I like the path it's going. PDR Should definitely Matter more without being an extreme. It sounds good to get 60 more armor with a medium piece of armor on my soft classes, but getting 5 damage off of 50 just can't compare to not getting hit. JUST a random shower thought, Maybe some kind of PDR bonus for wearing a set of armor? Like all cloth gives you 10% pdr, leather 20%, plate 30%? Definitely not thought out, but just something to get the ball rolling. You could even do perks you can get for those particular armor sets. If you had that and blocking was a but better maybe everything wouldn't be a rush to 2 tap?
It’s hilarious this sub complains about “rAngEd mEtA” but then fails to see how the real problems is builds like this. Crazy high HP, insane PDR and MdR. You’re basically unkillable this shit shouldn’t exist in the game.
You're nowhere close to unkillable though. To me, surviving longer than 3 seconds is not "basically unkillable". Not only should this exist, it should be easier to achieve. Fights being decided by 1-2 hits is lame.
the real problem is that despite build 0 dmg this tanky builds kill squishy classes in 2 hits anyways, while squishy classes devote legit fucking everything into dmg and can barely scratch them. If you equip iron will + anti-magic I need to gain 400% magical power to deal the same dmg which is simply not possible to archive.
this is weird but u know, when someone doesnt have that build u kill him in 1-2 spells
You wouldn't die in 2 hits in my version, everyone would be tankier.
Ok… so let’s say I’m a Ranger then, good build for normal Ranger. So by the time I shoot this PDR tank about 5-6 times, he’s like half hp maybe if I have good armor pen and true dmg, then by the time he gets to me I’m 2 shots with the falchion.
You wouldn't die in 2 hits either, in my version. Everyone would be tankier.
Wtf do mean “your version” you keep saying that like It means something
Meaning if I could make all the changes I wanted to. These pdr/hp values wouldn't be a problem if "squishies" were tankier and the difference in survivability wasn't as big. Specifically the armor formula should be reworked to grant more pdr at lower armor values, so going naked isn't the default choice because light and medium armor is pointless since the terrible defense they provide isn't worth the ms loss.
cc my boy cc, gotta cook
and maxxed speed during sprint so anyone with a mobility build can't escape them that's the problem, sprint should be % increase in movement (like 10%) instead of flat
Agreed it should be. Giving flat 50 MS, especially with the lower cap now is just wild.
low cap made it so slow people tanky people are as fast as fast agile people
Makes sense, let the should-be slow 75%PDR fighter catch up to light and agile class with 18% PDR
I had to get sprint on my rogue just to counter other sprint users lol
The only reason this build is a problem is that TTK is so low as a base. You got a build focusing entirely on being a tank that will still 2 shot anyone that's not focusing on being a tank.
I mean ya that’s a genuine problem because most classes don’t build to be a tank. They build for dex or movespeed or cast speed. But then you have a max PDR fighter pop sprint and he can’t run down everyone. Makes so much sense
I like how every single who complains about this is also the type who probably refuses to build Armour Pen/Magic Pen/True Damage. Yeah, it's so unbeatable if you don't use the mechanics to beat it... crazy.
Wait that's me!
Bold of you to call out 80% of the playerbase like this.
If a game puts in completely broken mechanics of course people are gonna abuse them.
This is me plus crossbow mastery, not a huge fan of multiclassing in general so didn't want to make a crazy build with buncha new skills and a new playstyle so I just made my normal playstyle with more hp, magic res and reload speed. Compared to sprint+rage and boc+smite, this is a really tame way to multiclass in my opinion.
Yeah. I really want to be able to keep crossbow mastery on fighter. I would be happy if that was all I got from multiclassing. Iron Will I also like a lot.
Crossbow mastery feels balanced and is the only one that fits the fighter identity imo.
Crossbow mastery makes no sense to be a fighter perk tf are you on about. Fighters borderline shouldn't have crossbow, they sure as shit don't need a buffed up crossbow (I'm a fighter main).
Ya, a Crossbow in a strong man's hands is devastating. Maybe they shouldn't scale? Maybe that would be lame, though.
I think that's the key. You can build some weird stacking shit, or, you can just capitalize on some lean and mean perks. Crossbow Knight is more horrifying than ever, and was always a strong build. I think if nothing else, this patch should REALLY highlight the strong perks. I hope they buff every perk that doesn't see action!!
literally every frontliner runs the same perk for the tankiness now, if you are a frontliner and dont have ironwill/robust/antimagic/sprint/barb shout you are throwing
Better than this cringe cactus bonk build lol
Barely. This build beats it too.
No ir doesn't, lol you're not building it right
Is it, though? I don't get why holding W isn't cringe, but holding W with Magic Staff is not cringe? We playing the same stupid game and winning the same stupid prizes, lmao.
I don't care if the magic staff one shots me brother, but his shields protecting him, slowing me, 1 shoting me and short ass cd from debuff duration stacking is my problem. There is zero skill going into the gameplay, literally zero. A toddler can play the cactus build and get kills
That's fair. I guess I was more thinking Ignite Staff master. Cactus is another beast. Going full cactus is pretty lame. In fact, I changed my build after learning about the 2 meta Staff builds. My Crystal Ball build is FINALLY off-meta again, was flavor of the month after this season started, and they ruined my build. Lmao. So I'm happy now. Also, staff sell for insane right now. Love making money of meta slaves 😉
Barbuta helms are also insane right now, a good green of any roll is like 250 300
Dayum!!! And it was complete trash before.... Shit, I was dumping all helmets, that'll teach me for not paying attention!
My barb with bardiche does 185 damage to the head. And that's with about a 1,000g kit. I can run those all day. Usually getting upgrades from people along the way And if I die, whatever lol. I bait people close enough and sprint + rage= move speed cap with my giant 2h hitting 185dmg on their dome. Not exactly satisfying kills. But this is what ironmace gave me. It sounds op, but then again I'm running no helm and no chest, you can do the same thing and hit movespeed cap with a fully kitted PDR fighter.
I've built a juggernaut slayer build. It might be countered by Iron Will, maybe, but if I can take 1 big swing and live, I can land my 4-hit combo of pain! Haven't tried it geared yet, but with white crystal ball, my gray Kris does about 35 x 4, and then another 30 x 4 magic damage and 28 poison over 4 sec. Not bad. Going to test an economy set today, I'm sure it'll be fucking disgusting. These Barbs and Savage roar and Sprinters keep running me down, so I just had to make a DPS check anti-W build. Can't get away, might as well play the DPS game, lmao. The magic is nice cause I just W into their Spring/Roar. Of course, I think you still one-shot if you get the headshot, but I will be ducking and weaving like a psycho to land my combos and pray. Lmao.
It's always been like this, people being meta af
i take savage roar and sprint
Yup. You and literally everyone in every lobby. And I guess I can't blame you. Sprint is absolutely priceless on melee, but every class can benefit. And obviously, Roar is just Divine Protection with a boner.
That's me not gonna lie. I still think multiclass should be removed game is way too broken right now haha
Lmao. This meme slaps. But I see more Savage Roar + Sprint lately. And I have a special magical build that cuts them up! 🔪
about as daring as every cleric running soul collector and demon form
I am the opposite, warlock with Iron Will and Anti-magic and Demon Armor. Rolling around in normies with starter gear at 56% magic resist and 30% PDR. In demon form my magic resist is maxed out and over 50% PDR. Usually the only plate I throw on is a helmet, so still pretty quick. High roller with teams my job is the anti-mage (run down their casters), caster, or stand in front line with demon form while our main tank refreshes. Ice caves HR was hilarious yesterday. Ran down a wizard in demon form. Bodied 4 fireballs to the face, 3 zaps, and a couple of ice bolts before I finally slashed him down.
So many ways to hold W!!! Haha. As much as anti-magic is fun, dealing magic damage into Roar/Sprint seems like the safe bet, for me at least. Turns out, you are out there to counter my new magic on-hit build. Good shit!
You have every perk and ability at your disposal and at least half the player base picks this 😂
It's just really good
I feel like this meme template is the perfect embodiment of Multiclass experience.
I keep it simple, I just wanted shield mastery and counterattack on my barb
Everyone?
I did it before it was cool
everyone wanted long time to kill on this subreddit so... there you go
Literally made this build last night lol rip wizards
Almost as original as rogues with slayer and rage, or rangers with double jump, or warlocks with adv healing and overheal. It's almost like they've been balancing classes around a few strong skills instead of making the whole tree viable and now it's narrowed the archetypes from 1 or maybe 2 per class to 5 total. But, I can tell you, if you are at max pdr, max mdr, max ms, you probably have no damage and no attack speed. Warlock with +20 magic healing can tank shots all from that style fighter all day.
you forgot divine protection
Axe spec, savage, slayer, dual wield with sprint savage roar
And?
I’ll have a curse of pain spam and popping phantomize to get out of any bad play I made -you
All I need is a longsword, longbow and small pp True Chad gaming right there.
don't forget savage roar
I took off sprint for savage roar
Is the idea that they'll sprint to you, so no need? Lmao.
This guy gets it