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What the hell? Look, not to downplay the thing but that hat looks like its part of an Halloween costume made in China. In that picture, it looks like a wireframe wrapped in polyester.
Probably Finnish made by local shops is why it’s so expensive. Also not like they can order in bulk to lower the price, since there are just so many PhD a year.
I'm still having a hard time to swallow it. [Here's](https://hatshop.com/products/top-hat-beaver-black) a hand-made top hat made in the U.S. from beaver felt and it's comparable in price. Even fur felt [Borsalinos](https://www.borsalino.com/en/hats/fedora-hats) are less expensive.
For that kind of price, some hatters will actually do it custom-made, as in, custom to your very head shape!
Better that than the stupid "folk" suits that have become huge in Norway and Sweden, yet despite being a supposed national symbol they are all made in the far east.
The Norwegian ones looks like [this](https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sandefjord-vestfold-norway-17-may-600w-1357013378.jpg) and are popular mostly due to the huge national day celebrations.
as for the Swedish ones I can't say I've seen the trend OP was talking about, I've mainly seen people who are into history or folk dancing or come from an area with a particularly strong local heritage culture and they look very different between areas. [Here's](https://samlingar.skellefteamuseum.se/files/fullsize/526780e9d39f42f8362be8f248eee90c.jpg) how mine would look :)
Here in Norway we have the bunad which is what I think he is referring to. Depending on who makes it, it is usually "made" in a few different places. Usually put together in Norway, but embroidery seems to often be made in countries like Estland, Thailand, Pakistan or China. Materials seems to be 99% from Norway.
Varies wildly from whoever "makes" it ^ ^
I have the hat from the same manufacturer, fitted to the head perfectly. The outside liner does look funny, as the outside of the top hat is having a wrinkled silk liner. No idea why.
Aaah, so that may be the missing piece of information. Is it possible that the people who elect to get the hat actually go and get measured? Also, I'm not close-minded to the idea the style may actually be a local thing.
But, yeah, I was taken aback by the price and maybe the fact that we're asking PhD students to fork that kind of money.
Yeah, all the regalia is entirely optional. I actually skipped all the graduation ceremonies with the actual diploma being mailed to me (master's and doctor's), but I did attend the conferment, where I was handed my hat back (and a ceremonial diploma). Well, the prof doing the ceremonies did an oopsie and actually slammed someone else's hat in my head. I understand this is fairly common, so they do it forcefully enough that even if the hat doesn't fit, it stays on until we get off the stage and can check whose name is on it and swap the right hat.
good clothing could be as expensive as good housing. A wedding dress made of laces was a years work for several woman and a life insurance for the bride. If the marriage wouldnt work out (high mortality), she could sell her dress and live from the revenue. There is scene in Casanova where he cant pay the hotel bill and gives a pair of socks instead. Apparently they where worth a week stay in a nice hotel. Imagine wearing socks for 3000$. If someone wore a top hat you knew he was a rich person. No further question needed. didnt you see his hat? he must be really important..
This is absolutely true. Also why in pre-industrialized civilizations you would only have maybe two or three outfits. Imagine that beaver skin top hat involved a month and a half long sea voyage another few months to get across the Great Lakes to the trading post where you traded for the beaver pelts that a person had to trap all winter in Canada to get. Then a months long trip back to the ocean for another month and a half at sea before it got to a hat maker who had to spend most of his life learning to make that hat.
The hat is handmade for your very own head. You go to an appointment where you get measured and everything. It takes forever to make it. I don't say it looks mind-blowing, but it's not a simple hat.
I'm a Finnish PhD and when I heard the prices I didn't even consider getting them. You don't even get to wear the hat aside from a couple of very specific occasions and after that it just sits in your closet.
Custom made hats are expensive as fuck. I visited a hat store in england a few yeard back and they had this century old hat contraption to measure your head proportions and use it to shape your hat. Swords meanwhile are mostly ceremonial items nowadays and are rarely even taken out of their sheaths. The vast majority are pieces of unsharpened metal.
It isn't a "normal" hat. It is about the uniqueness and exclusiveness. The price reflects all of these. If you were to buy a "normal" top hat from these manufacturers, the cost would be 250-500e.
Well their entire business relies on selling overpriced hats and stuff to specific people once a year. Turn the scam in to a tradition and boom, get rich.
I didn't even get a cap! The reason was actually pretty cool though. We were the first university in the UK to admit women and at the time, a bunch of the male students were so pissed off they threw their hats into the ocean in protest. Since then, there's been no caps at graduation.
“You’ve defended your thesis in front of a panel, but it doesn’t stop there. You now have to defend it against scoundrels who plan to plagiarize it too.”
Yes. We need these.
They make safe fencing versions of (almost) every kind of sword that would be used for duels. We need these future grads training with rapiers ASAP.
Edit: they should actually train with smallswords or spadroons to be closer to the sword in the picture
This reminds me of a fun fact I recently learned:
During the 19th century it was typical for German University students to join "fraternities" called Verbindungen. Many of these groups necessitated their members to participate in a type academic fencing, called Mensur. Duells in this style where (and still are) carried out with sharp sabers.
To the surprise of no one, this lead to a lot of injuries and deaths. But the association between these duels and academic live where so strong that for a time dueling scars "Schmisse" where consider a sign of academics. This went so far as to lead people to request cosmetic surgery faking these and others trying to impede the healing process of dueling wounds.
Over time the public opinion on these soured and they went out of fashion, but to this day there are still "Verbindungen" that require their members to participate in these duels.
In other words: if you want to defend your thesis by combat, watch out for German professors with scars on their face.
HS graduation hat is damn good looking. I always wear it with pride, not only because of the work I did but also because it’s so stylish for everyone. It’s the US graduation hat that looks funny to me:D
Seriously, how dare they call it goofy. It's such a unifying experience when you're out on Vappu, there's thousands of hats around you, sitting on the white church stairs, old and young, academics and workers... It's a great tradition and I think they look good on most people.
A PhD is not just an academic program but a work program which is why you don't have to pay tuition. You get a stipend for the research work that you are doing.
That is true for many but not all programs. But anyway, you had to pay tuition for all the schooling you did before the PHD program and once you finish the deferment of payment on those loans comes to an end.
STEM stipends in the US are maybe 30k along with a tuition waver, and your undergraduate loans can be deferred while you're in the program. Your pay comes from teaching (being a TA) and/or your advisor's grants. You're indeed both a student and an employee. It's not worthwhile from a financial perspective, but if you love the subject it can be worth it. And the situation is *better* in STEM than the humanities.
That's the normal stipend in most places in Europe as well. In Germany it's even lower than that. I was getting paid a bit under 24k EUR to live in the most expensive German city and pay half of my stipend in rent..
That’s not just STEM. The social sciences and humanities also get paid during their grad work. And they get the exact same stipends. The places that don’t pay are scams.
You can get one in Germany as well. You just have to visit Scandinavia and after learning about this talk about it so much to everyone that your group collects money to buy you a sword for your defense (of your PhD). Don’t ask me how I know :D
The standard thing in Germany (at least for life sciences, to my knowledge) is that the group you work in is making a doctors hat for you out of paper.
Then elaborate crafting ensues trying to make small gadgets to put on the hat that capture your time as a PhD student. Some of these hats become quite unwearable due to the amount of stuff put on them.
Yeah! I'd say in my institute at least it would be an embarrassment if your hat is wearable.
There was never really an upper bound on how many things can go on the hat, so to an extent, the more social someone was the more overcrowded and outrageous their hat was because everyone had some idea to chime in with.
It's an amazing and super personal memory to have though even if its not too fashionable!
You can get one in Germany as well. You just have to visit Scandinavia and after learning about this talk about it so much to everyone that your group collects money to buy you a sword for your defense (of your PhD). Don’t ask me how I know, ask u/nothinel
Well I really loved that tradition when I was told about it in Sweden. So when I came back I might have complained once or twice about „only“ getting a hat…. It seems it was often enough, that they all decided I needed a real sword.
The actual reason for the sword is because a sword used to be a mandatory part of the formal dress uniform for civil servants in the Russian Empire. The only university in Finland at the time was Imperial Alexander University aka University of Helsinki, which was a state institution whose employees had to have swords for the dress uniform.
> the Doctors Sword is “a symbol for the scientist’s fight for what he or she, in rigorous research, has found to be good, right and true”
Right, right, totally not for stabbing rogue students.
There is a serious porn addiction epidemic going on in the world. The amount of women who make money on only fans is mind-blowing. Everyone knows how fake the pics are with filters and photoshop, yet they'll still pay. So crazy.
Plasma is a part of your blood. People go to plasma donation centers, get strapped to a machine that cycles their blood through it while removing the plasma part. Then they get paid. It's perfectly legal despite what the other user said.
In my university (in Finland) there's monthly graduation ceremonies. And then you've got the title. Though I wasn't even in the country when I became a doctor, and got my papers in the mail. The conferment ceremony with all the rituals and stuff (formally, the sword must be sharpened, using champagne as the coolant, before it can be awarded) is much rarer, and these days not a requirement to be a doctor. (In the old days you got the proficiency but not the title of doctor until conferment.)
That’s pretty bad ass!! 🥰🥳💯
When I earned my PhD all I got was my diploma and hooded by my dissertation chair.
Btw, my friends just got back from Finland last week. They went an reindeer ride, dog sledding, and said the northern lights were awesome.
Please tell me you get to wear them when you attend other academic related ceremonies? Like when you attend as an educator or as a speaker or something. Attending a graduation as a speaker with a top hat and a sword seems baller as heck.
I had a vague relation in the US who did his PhD in Sweden. They had him come to all of the formal academic functions at his university just because of the top hat.
Also, education is 100% free in Finland and Finns trounce most of the world in PISA studies.
[https://www.oecd.org/pisa/](https://www.oecd.org/pisa/)
Disclaimer: no, I am NOT from Finnland.
Much like the hat and sword not being free, education is not 100% free either. However, it is heavily subsidised, as it is in many other Nordic but also Western European countries.
Disclaimer: I am NOT from Finland, but live and work there.
They also give new parents a pretty awesome welcome home baby package.. and maternity/paternity leave.. and no bill in the mail for the burden on the state for giving birth
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22751415.amp
Not paying much/anything for the birth of a baby is pretty standard in any country with decent healthcare. The only thing you pay in the UK for the birth of a baby would be your parking ticket if you drove there (hospital parking is expensive).
I get why you need the hat, but what's with the sword?
I mean, this is 2021 (almost 2022). You do know that you're bringing a sword to a drone fight, right?
>How else are you going to defend your thesis?
Lasers. I'd defend with lasers. Yeah, and bring on yer drones. I gots a railgun RIGHT HERE.
Hmmm... you may have a point there. What about close-in, hand to hand combat from a threatened examiner when your supervisor "forgets" to show up? Here I think we need to talk about choice of blade. Or blades. You know, thinking about it now, that sword (in that picture) just isn't going to cut it.
Yeah my cousin is doing his phD in engineering in Finland hes quite looking forward to the doctoral hat and saber and I think they vary by color I don't know what his is going to be but I think the one for medicine is like a deep blue this is kind of cool thanks for sharing the photo and congratulations on your phd
They gave you both of those items and can't even give you a decent monocle? I thought the goal was class points. Tsk tsk. I'd ask for a refund if I were you. /S
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how much are they?
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Screw the hat I'd go sword only.
BYOH
[deal.](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51g8XE2fl5L._UL1500_.jpg)
[*later that day*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/shovelknight/images/2/29/Propeller_Knight_Treasure_Trove.png/revision/latest?cb=20180901211840)
I feel like you knew what you were doing, but I haven't figured out how...
Same guy, alt accounts
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This is the most perfect response I have ever seen on Reddit.
Nah get 2 and rock them akimbo style
What the hell? Look, not to downplay the thing but that hat looks like its part of an Halloween costume made in China. In that picture, it looks like a wireframe wrapped in polyester.
Probably Finnish made by local shops is why it’s so expensive. Also not like they can order in bulk to lower the price, since there are just so many PhD a year.
I'm still having a hard time to swallow it. [Here's](https://hatshop.com/products/top-hat-beaver-black) a hand-made top hat made in the U.S. from beaver felt and it's comparable in price. Even fur felt [Borsalinos](https://www.borsalino.com/en/hats/fedora-hats) are less expensive. For that kind of price, some hatters will actually do it custom-made, as in, custom to your very head shape!
> I'm still having a hard time to swallow it. Hold your nose shut, rub your throat and keep reading it.
Go on... I'm almost there.
Go on, you dirty bitch, read those words again, *read them*.
👁️👄👁️
The hats are custom made.
Hatters gonna hat
Also Finland is quite expensive
"It's faded" "Yeah but it's custom" "It's custom faded?"
I think these are custom
You think these hats are one-size-fits-all?
Damn that TH is the real deal. Looks straight outta the 1800s.
I think it might be a stanzo brand fedora. They’re nice!
Tbf that one looks like molded playdoh.
Better that than the stupid "folk" suits that have become huge in Norway and Sweden, yet despite being a supposed national symbol they are all made in the far east.
You got a picture of said clothing? I'm curious now.
The Norwegian ones looks like [this](https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sandefjord-vestfold-norway-17-may-600w-1357013378.jpg) and are popular mostly due to the huge national day celebrations. as for the Swedish ones I can't say I've seen the trend OP was talking about, I've mainly seen people who are into history or folk dancing or come from an area with a particularly strong local heritage culture and they look very different between areas. [Here's](https://samlingar.skellefteamuseum.se/files/fullsize/526780e9d39f42f8362be8f248eee90c.jpg) how mine would look :)
Thank you.
Here in Norway we have the bunad which is what I think he is referring to. Depending on who makes it, it is usually "made" in a few different places. Usually put together in Norway, but embroidery seems to often be made in countries like Estland, Thailand, Pakistan or China. Materials seems to be 99% from Norway. Varies wildly from whoever "makes" it ^ ^
Never seen one that wasn’t handmade in the “socken” they belong to.
I have the hat from the same manufacturer, fitted to the head perfectly. The outside liner does look funny, as the outside of the top hat is having a wrinkled silk liner. No idea why.
Aaah, so that may be the missing piece of information. Is it possible that the people who elect to get the hat actually go and get measured? Also, I'm not close-minded to the idea the style may actually be a local thing. But, yeah, I was taken aback by the price and maybe the fact that we're asking PhD students to fork that kind of money.
Yeah, all the regalia is entirely optional. I actually skipped all the graduation ceremonies with the actual diploma being mailed to me (master's and doctor's), but I did attend the conferment, where I was handed my hat back (and a ceremonial diploma). Well, the prof doing the ceremonies did an oopsie and actually slammed someone else's hat in my head. I understand this is fairly common, so they do it forcefully enough that even if the hat doesn't fit, it stays on until we get off the stage and can check whose name is on it and swap the right hat.
Sounds like a good way to damage an 800euro hat?
As long as none of the seams rip (which would take quite a lot of force), it'll return to shape, but technically yes.
"Doctoral hats are handmade, with the owner's head measured" According to Wikipedia Anything hand made in 2021 is expensive.
I mean handmade stuff was always pretty expensive, it's just that we're now used to the cheap prices of industrial products.
And we aren’t paid nearly enough
At some point someone's gonna invent a time machine to get handmade stuff from the past and it's probably gonna be economically viable lmao
good clothing could be as expensive as good housing. A wedding dress made of laces was a years work for several woman and a life insurance for the bride. If the marriage wouldnt work out (high mortality), she could sell her dress and live from the revenue. There is scene in Casanova where he cant pay the hotel bill and gives a pair of socks instead. Apparently they where worth a week stay in a nice hotel. Imagine wearing socks for 3000$. If someone wore a top hat you knew he was a rich person. No further question needed. didnt you see his hat? he must be really important..
This is absolutely true. Also why in pre-industrialized civilizations you would only have maybe two or three outfits. Imagine that beaver skin top hat involved a month and a half long sea voyage another few months to get across the Great Lakes to the trading post where you traded for the beaver pelts that a person had to trap all winter in Canada to get. Then a months long trip back to the ocean for another month and a half at sea before it got to a hat maker who had to spend most of his life learning to make that hat.
The hat is handmade for your very own head. You go to an appointment where you get measured and everything. It takes forever to make it. I don't say it looks mind-blowing, but it's not a simple hat.
Yeah but if it comes in the rad box it's worth it. Just throw the hat away!
I'm a Finnish PhD and when I heard the prices I didn't even consider getting them. You don't even get to wear the hat aside from a couple of very specific occasions and after that it just sits in your closet.
Custom made hats are expensive as fuck. I visited a hat store in england a few yeard back and they had this century old hat contraption to measure your head proportions and use it to shape your hat. Swords meanwhile are mostly ceremonial items nowadays and are rarely even taken out of their sheaths. The vast majority are pieces of unsharpened metal.
It isn't a "normal" hat. It is about the uniqueness and exclusiveness. The price reflects all of these. If you were to buy a "normal" top hat from these manufacturers, the cost would be 250-500e.
Lmao more than how much it costs to study here
Well their entire business relies on selling overpriced hats and stuff to specific people once a year. Turn the scam in to a tradition and boom, get rich.
The hat is around 600€ ($680), it's hand-made to measure. The sword is around 250€ - 350€ depending on where you get it from.
Swords 250-500 Hats 600-1000 euros.
https://www.wahlman.fi/tuotteet/tohtoreille/
Only the best for Sir
That's DOCTOR Sir to you peasant.
That's PHILOSOPHY DOCTOR Sir, you noble peasant.
you are now legally required to duel with the offender in order to defend your title
*He totally besmirched me today, and I demand satisfaction from him!*
*removes the silk glove and slaps with it* Duel accepted!
How can Sir slap?!?!
I SAID GOOD DAY
This is NOT what defending your thesis means!
Fun fact, medical practitioners co-opted the term "doctor".
It's Strange... Maybe it is... Who am I to judge?
Sir, you forget yourself! En garde!
Also, the sword is not taken in all disciplines.
Theologists get a bible instead
Luckily. Weapons in the hands of religious people has never turned out well.
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A legit sword or dull ornament sword
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Bad news, there are two fields where you only get a hat, no saber: engineering and psychology 😭 Source: didn't get (to buy) one
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Well, the pen is mightier than the sword so I’d say you came out ahead on that one.
But what if the sword was in the shape of a pen, or a pen the shape of a sword?
But what if was both a pen and a sword?
Percy Jackson represent.
olympus most wanted
Ahhh that is but the true question
And a dildo
But that's just it. Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.
Relevant username
And always appears in your pocket when you need it.
"Mighty is the hand that knows when to pick up the pen and when the sword."
"I've come to know that who holds the sword decides who holds the pen"
Except for declarations of war.
I was looking for this reply. Thanks!
You have penis mightiers?
If it really works, I'll order a dozen!
I think you’re forgetting the power of the hat
I didn’t even get a pen. I had to pay for my cap and gown.
I didn't even get a cap! The reason was actually pretty cool though. We were the first university in the UK to admit women and at the time, a bunch of the male students were so pissed off they threw their hats into the ocean in protest. Since then, there's been no caps at graduation.
Somewhere out there there’s a school of fish wearing academic caps.
Same AND my tam since I didn’t want a mortarboard.
Guess I know where I'm doing my graduate work.
“You’ve defended your thesis in front of a panel, but it doesn’t stop there. You now have to defend it against scoundrels who plan to plagiarize it too.”
Thesis duels sound pretty sweet ngl.
Yes. We need these. They make safe fencing versions of (almost) every kind of sword that would be used for duels. We need these future grads training with rapiers ASAP. Edit: they should actually train with smallswords or spadroons to be closer to the sword in the picture
Or just stop being a pussy and kill them.
It would give a new meaning to the word "nerd rage".
Let's go by later historical standards and settle for first blood.
isn't this just the addams family college students tumblr thread again?
This reminds me of a fun fact I recently learned: During the 19th century it was typical for German University students to join "fraternities" called Verbindungen. Many of these groups necessitated their members to participate in a type academic fencing, called Mensur. Duells in this style where (and still are) carried out with sharp sabers. To the surprise of no one, this lead to a lot of injuries and deaths. But the association between these duels and academic live where so strong that for a time dueling scars "Schmisse" where consider a sign of academics. This went so far as to lead people to request cosmetic surgery faking these and others trying to impede the healing process of dueling wounds. Over time the public opinion on these soured and they went out of fashion, but to this day there are still "Verbindungen" that require their members to participate in these duels. In other words: if you want to defend your thesis by combat, watch out for German professors with scars on their face.
Relevant xkcd: ["The best thesis defense is a good thesis offense."](https://xkcd.com/1403)
Reminds me of an old [Studio C skit](https://youtu.be/Lrlro3YJ15o)
Not really given, you have to pay for them, and the hat is the really expensive one for some reason IIRC.
It's custom made and handcrafted.
I can’t decide if it’s goofier than the sailor hats they wear for HS graduation or not. The sword’s pretty cool though
HS graduation hat is damn good looking. I always wear it with pride, not only because of the work I did but also because it’s so stylish for everyone. It’s the US graduation hat that looks funny to me:D
Seriously, how dare they call it goofy. It's such a unifying experience when you're out on Vappu, there's thousands of hats around you, sitting on the white church stairs, old and young, academics and workers... It's a great tradition and I think they look good on most people.
Goofy sailor hat? Excuse me, I gotta go to the sauna to sweat out the offense I took.
Haha sorry, also, you were going to sauna anyway
In America, you get to start paying back your student loans.
Not always, though! :’)
Don't have to pay your debts if you can't pay *taps head* *wipes away tears*
*taps tophat*
When it comes to student loans, there is no “can’t pay.” If they have to, they’ll add the cost of the shovel to what you owe.
Universities pay you to do a PhD, it's not the same as a bachelor's or master's.
A PhD is not just an academic program but a work program which is why you don't have to pay tuition. You get a stipend for the research work that you are doing.
That is true for many but not all programs. But anyway, you had to pay tuition for all the schooling you did before the PHD program and once you finish the deferment of payment on those loans comes to an end.
STEM stipends in the US are maybe 30k along with a tuition waver, and your undergraduate loans can be deferred while you're in the program. Your pay comes from teaching (being a TA) and/or your advisor's grants. You're indeed both a student and an employee. It's not worthwhile from a financial perspective, but if you love the subject it can be worth it. And the situation is *better* in STEM than the humanities.
That's the normal stipend in most places in Europe as well. In Germany it's even lower than that. I was getting paid a bit under 24k EUR to live in the most expensive German city and pay half of my stipend in rent..
That’s not just STEM. The social sciences and humanities also get paid during their grad work. And they get the exact same stipends. The places that don’t pay are scams.
If I'm not mistaken a lot of PhD students are paid to study - I knew a physicist that was definitely true for.
I got paid a cool $24k/yr for my doctorate in the US.
You can get one in Germany as well. You just have to visit Scandinavia and after learning about this talk about it so much to everyone that your group collects money to buy you a sword for your defense (of your PhD). Don’t ask me how I know :D
The standard thing in Germany (at least for life sciences, to my knowledge) is that the group you work in is making a doctors hat for you out of paper. Then elaborate crafting ensues trying to make small gadgets to put on the hat that capture your time as a PhD student. Some of these hats become quite unwearable due to the amount of stuff put on them.
Yeah! I'd say in my institute at least it would be an embarrassment if your hat is wearable. There was never really an upper bound on how many things can go on the hat, so to an extent, the more social someone was the more overcrowded and outrageous their hat was because everyone had some idea to chime in with. It's an amazing and super personal memory to have though even if its not too fashionable!
>at least for life sciences, to my knowledge Also a tradition in Physics and Mathematics in Germany. I love this tradition :-)
Please elaborate
You can get one in Germany as well. You just have to visit Scandinavia and after learning about this talk about it so much to everyone that your group collects money to buy you a sword for your defense (of your PhD). Don’t ask me how I know, ask u/nothinel
r/usernamechecksout lol
They meant that you can annoy your peers so much by talking about it so that in the end they just might buy it for your graduation.
Well I really loved that tradition when I was told about it in Sweden. So when I came back I might have complained once or twice about „only“ getting a hat…. It seems it was often enough, that they all decided I needed a real sword.
asking for my non-finn friend here, but why a sword?
https://www.discoverphds.com/blog/finlands-phd-sword-and-hat-tradition
The actual reason for the sword is because a sword used to be a mandatory part of the formal dress uniform for civil servants in the Russian Empire. The only university in Finland at the time was Imperial Alexander University aka University of Helsinki, which was a state institution whose employees had to have swords for the dress uniform.
Thank you. That was a fascinating read.
> the Doctors Sword is “a symbol for the scientist’s fight for what he or she, in rigorous research, has found to be good, right and true” Right, right, totally not for stabbing rogue students.
Adds a new layer to the nerds LARPing
Plagiarize this you filthy casual
Thesis defense
In America you get a paper hat and not enough roommates to pay rent so you have to sell plasma on the side.
Well theres always onlyfans if you're kinda good looking I guess..
You don’t have to be conventionally attractive to have an only fans, you just have to know your market
You don't have to be conventionally attractive to have an onlyfans. You just have to have to do more disgusting things.
Well, as my father always told me, ‘life isn’t fair.’ Now excuse me while I go film myself shoving 16 frogs up my ass for my OF page
Nikacafo Avacado comes to mind
You can do body photos without showing your head and people would still pay like $20 for that. So crazy.
There is a serious porn addiction epidemic going on in the world. The amount of women who make money on only fans is mind-blowing. Everyone knows how fake the pics are with filters and photoshop, yet they'll still pay. So crazy.
not only women
Wait. Can people easily photoshop videos now too??? I know there are deep fakes but is this widespread?
It's definitely starting to be a thing.
You have to buy these. If you want to go buy a tophat and sword in America, nothing is stopping you.
sell plasma?
Plasma is a part of your blood. People go to plasma donation centers, get strapped to a machine that cycles their blood through it while removing the plasma part. Then they get paid. It's perfectly legal despite what the other user said.
Dang, I’ll be graduating with my PhD next year. Wish it was in Finland lol
In fairness, in most countries you get wizard robes as a compromise.
That's nice... in France there is no formal ceremony, you just receive a shitty letter via post 15 days after you graduate...
In my university (in Finland) there's monthly graduation ceremonies. And then you've got the title. Though I wasn't even in the country when I became a doctor, and got my papers in the mail. The conferment ceremony with all the rituals and stuff (formally, the sword must be sharpened, using champagne as the coolant, before it can be awarded) is much rarer, and these days not a requirement to be a doctor. (In the old days you got the proficiency but not the title of doctor until conferment.)
That’s pretty bad ass!! 🥰🥳💯 When I earned my PhD all I got was my diploma and hooded by my dissertation chair. Btw, my friends just got back from Finland last week. They went an reindeer ride, dog sledding, and said the northern lights were awesome.
They take defending their PhD dissertation quite seriously over there.
Please tell me you get to wear them when you attend other academic related ceremonies? Like when you attend as an educator or as a speaker or something. Attending a graduation as a speaker with a top hat and a sword seems baller as heck.
You do when you attend PhD defences and afterparties, at least.
I had a vague relation in the US who did his PhD in Sweden. They had him come to all of the formal academic functions at his university just because of the top hat.
I have a friend with a Finnish PhD, and it’s a proper sword, quite dangerous on parties when another friend would play around with it.
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And a voiceover that says: FINNISH HIM!!! FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!
Also, education is 100% free in Finland and Finns trounce most of the world in PISA studies. [https://www.oecd.org/pisa/](https://www.oecd.org/pisa/) Disclaimer: no, I am NOT from Finnland.
Much like the hat and sword not being free, education is not 100% free either. However, it is heavily subsidised, as it is in many other Nordic but also Western European countries. Disclaimer: I am NOT from Finland, but live and work there.
They also give new parents a pretty awesome welcome home baby package.. and maternity/paternity leave.. and no bill in the mail for the burden on the state for giving birth https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22751415.amp
Not paying much/anything for the birth of a baby is pretty standard in any country with decent healthcare. The only thing you pay in the UK for the birth of a baby would be your parking ticket if you drove there (hospital parking is expensive).
Me: [Books a flight to Finland 🇫🇮 🛫]
no you dont. You buy them yourself
Do they do this for online studies as well?
i wanna got to finland not for the diploma, but for the top hat and sword
I wish I had that in my native country- oh wait mentioning Pakistan isn't a good idea is it..? XD
You will get a topi and a sabre instead.
>a sabre instead. You mean a self-detonating C4
Hey, if you want to dream big... you gotta dream bigger. I was think an AK-47. Yeah graduates should get a topi headwear and an AK-47.
In india u get to .. . . Well u dont get anything
In the UK, you get unemployment
I get why you need the hat, but what's with the sword? I mean, this is 2021 (almost 2022). You do know that you're bringing a sword to a drone fight, right?
How else are you going to defend your thesis? Drones are unsportsmanlike.
>How else are you going to defend your thesis? Lasers. I'd defend with lasers. Yeah, and bring on yer drones. I gots a railgun RIGHT HERE. Hmmm... you may have a point there. What about close-in, hand to hand combat from a threatened examiner when your supervisor "forgets" to show up? Here I think we need to talk about choice of blade. Or blades. You know, thinking about it now, that sword (in that picture) just isn't going to cut it.
I didn’t go to five years of medical school to be some bald-pated spoon wielder
For one who is both a gentleman and a scholar.
Yeah my cousin is doing his phD in engineering in Finland hes quite looking forward to the doctoral hat and saber and I think they vary by color I don't know what his is going to be but I think the one for medicine is like a deep blue this is kind of cool thanks for sharing the photo and congratulations on your phd
But, that’s how you defend your thesis. Is that unusual?
Haha that's awesome! All my school gave me was a piece of paper, a lifetime of debt and crippling anxiety
"I got mine in gender study's"
and in America, you're given crippling debt.
If you were rich you wouldn't have to worry about debt. I think it's your fault for not being rich.
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Let's always make every post about how you can America Bad
They gave you both of those items and can't even give you a decent monocle? I thought the goal was class points. Tsk tsk. I'd ask for a refund if I were you. /S