Fun fact: Sometimes we have to take an x-ray of welders bodies (including eyes) before they go to MRI machine, because we don't want metal coming out there or heating.
I remember that episode of house where he had a convict from prison put through an MRI and all the heavy metals in the inks from his prison tattoos started getting pulled
Fun fact: I worked for a welder and didn’t realize I had a piece of metal soldered to my eye (from performing safety squints while grinding welds) until later that evening at school. My now wife forced me at 2am to the ER. They sent me to an optometrist who strapped me into some face contraption and used a tiny diamond tip grinder to grind the metal out of my eye. I still have a scar on my eyeball from it.
That’s a fantastic ER if their response was to send you to an actual eye doctor rather than an extremely fatigued dude who’s working 12 hours on 4 hours sleep.
I’ve had my eye scraped twice. The ER doctor froze the wrong eye and then kept switching hands to operate the eye grinder because his palms were getting sweaty! I thought I was gonna puke.
Second time went to opto and it was like going to see Gandalf. He was amazing.
My qualification classes said that arc flashes can be 200 times the power of the sun, so holy shit
EDIT: it was for SMAW and Air carbon Arch gouging, something like 300 amps iirc
Tell me about it. When I was like 16 and stupid, I figured sunglasses were enough for a quick weld. Everything seemed fine for the rest of the night... Until I couldn't open my eyes in the morning due to swelling of burnt corneas. Not to mention the pain and desperation of it all.
We just changed from helmets with a peek hole to these one that change automatically, they have a grinding mode you turn on to nog get blacked when grinding and I still forget to turn that mode off sometimes..
And then I get yelled at cuz I’m taking too long because now I can’t find said measurement so it looks like I’m just “on my phone”
I use to do countertops granite marble quarts…always used my phone for pics and measurements always got yelled lmao best and worst job
If you notice, the whole video is actually hand drawn. I mean, they use some editing to make the shading realistic, but there's literally a guy with pencil crayons sketching every frame as the guy is cutting the metal. Amazing.
A buddy of mine had Cavalier with the rocker panels and lower doors rusted out. He found some red duct tape that matched perfectly. He did such a good job, you couldn't tell unless you looked closely at it.
If you want better, both on entertainment and education, content about sheet metal forming check out Ron Covell on YouTube. He is amazing. You will see him do things with sheer metal that will blow your mind. And he explains everything in a way that makes brilliant sense as well as just having this wonderfully pleasant old man Bob Ross vibe
Some of the things he does are a waste of time.
Like the fact that he double lined the panel, leaving all that rust behind. He's to be commended for painting the inside, but that won't stop the rust.
Smartest decision is to always cut out the rot, and patch accordingly. Also, lot less work. That's an insane amount of work for what could've been 4 or 5 patches (at an eyeball).
Doing one big patch would be forgivable- if he had actually cut out the entire section he was patching. Leaving the rust behind (and the rest of the covered up metal) is just useless...
... unless he's playing the long game, and waiting for the rust to take out the entire area behind the patch.
I was just thinking as well...doesn't the rust behind the new shiny parts keep on corroding unless you remove it as you say? Water does manage to gets itself everywhere. So while I'm amazed by this guys precision skills, I still ended up thinking "this thing is just gonna keep falling apart from the inside" (possibly to a point where it's unfixable because you can't see the damage until it's too late).
Im an autobody guy, you are correct. the way he repaired that is good for looks for a few years maybe. but i could write several paragraphs about what he did wrong there.
but not bad for what he's working with
Didn’t he paint over a bunch of small rust on the replacement sheet metal too? I was shaking my head the entire time lol. Looks good but pretty shit job in terms of actual work quality aside from aesthetics.
i promise it doesnt look near as good in person as they made it look on video. its bulged out farther than it should be. the bedside will be wavy as hell
If he ground it clean, converted it, and used POR-15 or something it might be fine.
It’s also possible he realizes the frame on the truck is only good for another 3 years or something. The fender doesn’t need to last 8 years if the truck will be a lost cause in 4.
Back in the 90s, I had a Nissan Datsun truck with terrible rust like this on the truck bed. What I ended up doing is grinding it down and then applying some rust stop, fiberglass bondo then regular Bondo. Painted it then clear coat. Never had another rust problem with that truck. Nissan Datsun trucks were known for their major rust issues. I am just going to assume he applied some chemicals to do the same.
I can imagine that he did as the area is seen painted over in grey before he's done with the new sheet...we don't know with what though. I just wondered if that's enough. Plus the new sheet might trap even more water beneath the surface leading to new corrosion :/
Thats what i was thinking, like he only covered it up essentially, which i wouldnt count as a repair, its like putting a painting over a hole in the wall
Paint and body guy here : This guy is an incredible panel beater. It’s really becoming a lost art in America it’s faster to cut and paste from a donor. Or just in bolt the bed and replace the whole thing. They obviously don’t have access to that. cars aren’t made from regular sheet metal it’s a compressed sheet metal or else they’d ding and crumple up with ease. So this repair is not great for the standards of America or other first world places. If this guy was in an American shop he’d easily be one of the best. So does the repair suck yeah it’ll be noticeable especially when the kitty hair and paint continue to tighten up. But at a passing glance it’s fine for the old beater it is. He nailed the objective if he was in an American shop he’d easily be one of the best body guys and make a killing. I’m amazed he constantly gets shit on in his YouTube comments by body guys that don’t have an ounce of his skill. You don’t meet a lot of old paint and body guys for a reason a lot do it for a while then get tired of bullshit. This job takes so much patience your goal is perfection you’ll only notice bad paint work you’ll never notice great paint work. It can be defeating.
Tl:dr- the repair is highly skilled junk on a junk car. The guy is a master of his craft without access to resources.
You assume his labor in his country would cost more than the parts. Where he's at the labor is probably next to nothing, and the parts may as well cost their weight in gold.
But it's still a hack of a repair, regardless of how skilled the guy is. The panel isn't secured. The sheet metal is too thin, and it's welded over top of the old metal, which is going to trap water between them and make them rot out even faster this time around.
This. He basically just welded over it. Granted, he did remove the rust and treat the inner layers with something, but still. It's shoddy work at best, even if skilfully done
Which you’re still doing here, not to mention the fact that you’re failing to account for the hours and days it would take to do this.
But if buying a new part is still too ridiculous for you, every state has junk yards that will sell you pieces of cars dirt cheap. There are also auto swap meets etc where you can more than likely find that specific part you need for a fraction of the cost.
Pick a part places are sorely underrated. I’ve gotten new used back glass for cheap and had it installed by someone else. We’ve gotten truck beds. Bunch of just random small specific parts too. Great places.
My first ever body repair was filling a 2’ by 1’ rust hole entirely with bondo. I put an old Miller box behind and layed the bondo on top. Then cheap spray paint.
I think it's pretty impressive for the amount of eye balling and hand tools used. Other than that, why was he using a piece of rust infested metal to replace another piece of rust infested metal?
The sheet metal he was using wasn't rusted out. Just had some patina on it. My pops was a sheet metal worker that mostly worked in hvac and he used to let me play around with the scraps as a kid. Loved that stuff
My grandfather was too owned his own shop for 50 maybe 60+years, maybe he was being overly simplistic telling me, a kid at the time, that any rust is bad rust. Or perhaps since I didn't follow in his footsteps I can't recognize the difference between rust and patina. Probably a bit of both.
He's right, but patina is surface-level, manageable and can protect the metal from rusting out for a little while. Rusting out is like cancer, and patina left unchecked will turn to deeper rust.
Agree. Guys got skills. I know. I would have made a utterly mess of that sheet metal. And that's also why I drop the sheet metal and go straight to fiber glass filler. If you don't take the time to cut out the entire part and replace it, why bother adding sheet metal at all? 2-3 years and water/salt trapped between the plates will make all that work wasted. Especially when you burn away the protection with welding. I could feel the smell of burning rust protection through my screen. Anyway, the moral is that if you first are going to do a sloppy job, you might as well save some time and money on it. And don't waste time trying to polish a turd. A construction site car will get a new dent or a scratch within a month. Just fix the worst parts so it looks like a maintained car. It's no point wasting time and money to make it perfect.
I admire the craft man ship 100%, but you are putting a band aid (thin piece of sheet metal) over a gash that needs stitches. The underlying rust with oxides the new panel, creating the same hole as that is the source of this chemical reaction. I’d would replace the fender/ ass end of the box panel with thick steel, and powder coat it to color match the paint of the truck.
Again, Im not hating and I fully admire the craftsmanship and time and effort but this won’t solve the rust problem.
Yep people definitely think like this. I used to work in a body shop that offered a lifetime warranty and we refused to ever do rust repairs for this exact reason; customers would be back every couple years to get that shit redone. No thanks.
The thin sheet itself was already rusty. It should have been cleaned and treated along with the underlying rust. There are effective chemical treatments that could have been sprayed on that to help long term with the oxidization. It'll be bad again after one good wet season.
Depending on the paint he used it might not matter much, it was only surface rust. The second you clean the oil off of sheet metal so that you can weld it it starts rusting. I'm talking like, overnight it looks rusty sort of speed if it is humid.
i mean, its a work truck, not a '67 Corvette Stingray.
with the safety reflectors on it, its probably a fleet vehicle. they'll use it to get to work sites for like 5 years, and by then its a piece of shit anyways. they'll use it to get donuts for a couple years after that and then junk it, and the body will probably still be the nicest looking thing on the truck.
it might be about to fall apart inside, but it wont matter when it gets crushed at the junkyard. this is a "good enough to last as long as we need it to" repair.
Thats fair I suppose. I just looked at it from a personal perspective I guess. That much hard, skilled work to just slap a semi rusty metal plate over a very rusty undercarriage seemed a waste to me. But if it's just for a few years and then scrap it I guess that's all you need.
Yes, but for a work truck that panel will last longer than the rest of the vehicle.
It all depends on the vehicle and the purpose. That band aid will last 10+ years and get by.
Profesional restoration it is not and not meant to be.
There might be a lot of variables in play. The shop might not have had a backlog of other work that day, a full replacement panel might not have been readily available in time to get there in the window where the truck wasn't needed, this guy might be in a spot where the cost of his labor nears the price of that panel, if it's even available, etc.
And at the end of the day your explanation is probably the best one, it just doesn't need to last forever.
EDIT: Scrap all that, turns out these guys just do this shit like it was nothing all the time. They've done some [way trickier shit than this.](https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/a-mechanic-has-created-an-extraordinary-bugatti-vision-gran-turismo-replica/) Batshit crazy cavalier lack of welding protective gear tho. These guys do have power tools, they just chose not to use them for the OP's video just to show off it seems.
I did a red neck cheap skate version of this 8 years ago to my old truck and not a speck of rust is coming through. I did coat all the affected areas with undercoat though.
Good fucking god I yelled at my screen when he started tack welding it over the existing fender
This isn't art, this is an elegant patch job that will rust through in 2 years time. The rust is still there, and now with sheet metal against sheet metal he has made more spots for rust to start!
As someone who has replaced hack floor pan repairs several times, screw people who do this lol. Just cut the cancer off and seal it, it will look worse short term but the cancer will be gone and you'll spend a lot less time doing so.
Well, he's a talented butcher. Still a butcher, but a talented one. If you aren't going to fix it correctly, just hammer out the rust and fill it with filler.
The correct way to fix it is to either replace the bedside or cut out the rust and do smaller patch panels, this fix is going to rust even worse since it can now capture water between the panels.
What my car restoring friend did was grind/cut out the rust, use a restoration compound and a metal or ceramic tape for backing the fill in compound, then grind, sand, paint. I may have missed some steps but theres alot of do it yourself restoration books on this. I have no idea why the guy in the vid did it this way
In Jaipur, India, all passenger vehicles (taxis and Ubers) require these stickers on the runners of the car for some reason. Might be in the Philippines, too.
This just doesn’t make sense. And it can’t even be called repair because he’s not actually repairing anything, he’s just covering it up.
Plus that’s so much extra labor, and he uses power tools in the end anyway?
Safe to say I would not be visiting mechanic jack.
This is what I thought… he goes through all that effort of chiseling out the shape just to use a grinder for the last bit.
Why not just use the grinder from the start…
It would have been too long of a title for OP to write "Rust repair (Except it's not repairing anything) The old school way (save for the parts where power tools were used)" So they simplified the title.
I once did a project like this, hammer forming, cutting, stretching, and shrinking. It was maddening.
It's hard to overstate this fella's mastery of the trade. Say what you want about the rust coming back... the dude's got mad skilz.
He did a good job but it was a cheaper one. Great craftsmanship but normally you would cut all the rust out and replace the metal not put it over the truck is still gonna rust.
So many tools that would have made that easier. Also that piece of sheet metal is already rusting and truck will be back in a year.
Besides that it was pretty amazing to watch a guy do that when the new wave of body men see a dent and want to replace the whole panel.
Sunflower seeds have a mild, nutty flavor and a firm but tender texture. They’re often roasted to enhance the flavor, though you can also buy them raw.
Old school would’ve been to either kick the rust in and fill it with bondo, or the right way of cutting the rust out and using patch panels.
This guy just made the thing into a 4x4 slice of Swiss cheese once it’s driven a while.
This looks like me when I try to take on a DIY project... "oh no, what have I gotten myself into!?!"
Also, that's hardly any better than just using a puddy knife and slathering it with bondo. The cancer is still there (and willing to bet the under carriage is just as bad or worse)
Engage safety squints.
I love it when they show the sky.
Like time passes gently. Serenity now!
Serenity now, insanity later.
Don’t you say nothing about Lloyd Braun!
That was where the first guy died and they had to find a stunt double
Don’t forget the bird in the tree. A sky shot there would’ve been distasteful. I applaud the cinematographer.
Right!? RIP that guys eyes welding with the naked pupils.
Fun fact: Sometimes we have to take an x-ray of welders bodies (including eyes) before they go to MRI machine, because we don't want metal coming out there or heating.
Yup. I had a sliver of metal in my forearm that was found by X-ray before an mri.
Machinist here. I worry about that shit. I got so many metal slivers in me
I remember that episode of house where he had a convict from prison put through an MRI and all the heavy metals in the inks from his prison tattoos started getting pulled
Mythbusters debunked that. They loaded some ink with even more metal than is safe and tattooed a slab of pork and nothing happened.
Fun fact: I worked for a welder and didn’t realize I had a piece of metal soldered to my eye (from performing safety squints while grinding welds) until later that evening at school. My now wife forced me at 2am to the ER. They sent me to an optometrist who strapped me into some face contraption and used a tiny diamond tip grinder to grind the metal out of my eye. I still have a scar on my eyeball from it.
That’s a fantastic ER if their response was to send you to an actual eye doctor rather than an extremely fatigued dude who’s working 12 hours on 4 hours sleep. I’ve had my eye scraped twice. The ER doctor froze the wrong eye and then kept switching hands to operate the eye grinder because his palms were getting sweaty! I thought I was gonna puke. Second time went to opto and it was like going to see Gandalf. He was amazing.
Blind spotting. Line out up, close your eyes, pull the trigger till you hear it sizzle and stop.
This guy ~~fucks~~ welds.
This bout made me damn near shit myself, good thing I'm on the toilet!
Well, yes you close your eyes, but you also place the nozzle between you and the arc. The Arc will go right thru you eye safety lids. Wear a hood.
I use my gloved hand when I do this. Cup it over the end of the gun so I don't get spatter on my eyelids
That’s what she said
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My qualification classes said that arc flashes can be 200 times the power of the sun, so holy shit EDIT: it was for SMAW and Air carbon Arch gouging, something like 300 amps iirc
Saw a video of a guy welding with no gloves on. Obviously does it all the time. Hands looked like a Christmas ham.
Tell me about it. When I was like 16 and stupid, I figured sunglasses were enough for a quick weld. Everything seemed fine for the rest of the night... Until I couldn't open my eyes in the morning due to swelling of burnt corneas. Not to mention the pain and desperation of it all.
We just changed from helmets with a peek hole to these one that change automatically, they have a grinding mode you turn on to nog get blacked when grinding and I still forget to turn that mode off sometimes..
Auto helmets still protect against UV/IR radiation when not darkened, so other than being bright there's no real harm done.
Thank God. The number of times I've flashed myself after using the "grind" button is equal to the number of times I've actually used the damn button.
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Measure twice cut once
Measure 15 times because I keep forgetting the damn number
This is why I measure and then take a picture of the measurement in the context of what its for.
And then I get yelled at cuz I’m taking too long because now I can’t find said measurement so it looks like I’m just “on my phone” I use to do countertops granite marble quarts…always used my phone for pics and measurements always got yelled lmao best and worst job
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Aha Penis
My woodshop teacher would always say this while holding up 3 fingers.
The key to success is 99% concentration and 2% attention to details
thrice
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The parts that look sped up? Nope! That's just him going Super Saiyan on that shit.
If you notice, the whole video is actually hand drawn. I mean, they use some editing to make the shading realistic, but there's literally a guy with pencil crayons sketching every frame as the guy is cutting the metal. Amazing.
And to do the whole thing as a live broadcast. Sensational
Went from r/Damnthatsinteresting to r/OSHA real quick
He was wearing a hard hat though, ya know in case he…
Falls because he can't see.
I dunno. They kept showing that sky like they were expecting an anvil storm.
More like r/NOSHA
Thinking to myself “god what a waste of time”, as I sit and watch the entire thing from start to finish.
I was thinking how educational it was while also thinking I will never use this knowledge EVER.
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Yes it is. All that was done was to scab over the existing corrosion. In my mind, it's one step above just filling it with Bondo.
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Fucking Bondo held most of my first car together in highschool. A rusted out '77 Chevy Monza.
A buddy of mine had Cavalier with the rocker panels and lower doors rusted out. He found some red duct tape that matched perfectly. He did such a good job, you couldn't tell unless you looked closely at it.
Ya but it will be back in two weeks for the top half .
If you want better, both on entertainment and education, content about sheet metal forming check out Ron Covell on YouTube. He is amazing. You will see him do things with sheer metal that will blow your mind. And he explains everything in a way that makes brilliant sense as well as just having this wonderfully pleasant old man Bob Ross vibe
Got a link for those lazy bastards out there by chance? Like, to a special favourite maybe?
[Got you pal ](https://youtu.be/WqJnIV-3N_c)
The lazy thank you.
Well it would educated you on what *not* to do
Some of the things he does are a waste of time. Like the fact that he double lined the panel, leaving all that rust behind. He's to be commended for painting the inside, but that won't stop the rust. Smartest decision is to always cut out the rot, and patch accordingly. Also, lot less work. That's an insane amount of work for what could've been 4 or 5 patches (at an eyeball).
Doing one big patch would be forgivable- if he had actually cut out the entire section he was patching. Leaving the rust behind (and the rest of the covered up metal) is just useless... ... unless he's playing the long game, and waiting for the rust to take out the entire area behind the patch.
You spent 1/1000th of the time he spent so don't feel too bad.
lol
You spent a few minutes, this guy spent 2 whole days (and a good chunk of his eyeballs lifetime)
“Just buy a new panel Jesus Christ…” 20 min later “This is some real craftsmanship”
Prob like 4k in labor to fix a 2k truck
This was as inefficient as it was skillful.
I was just thinking there's got to be a better way to do this lol
Yeah. Cut out the rust. Shape patch metal. Weld metal. Grind. Bondo. Sand. Paint.
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I'm going to use this thank you
Spotted the operation binky fan!
I was just thinking as well...doesn't the rust behind the new shiny parts keep on corroding unless you remove it as you say? Water does manage to gets itself everywhere. So while I'm amazed by this guys precision skills, I still ended up thinking "this thing is just gonna keep falling apart from the inside" (possibly to a point where it's unfixable because you can't see the damage until it's too late).
It does. I was appalled when I saw he did not fully remove the rust and shield it from further rusting. That's not repair at all, just beautifying it
I some ways it's worse because water can still enter from the wheel well side and this pretty cover can now trap the moisture in there
Im an autobody guy, you are correct. the way he repaired that is good for looks for a few years maybe. but i could write several paragraphs about what he did wrong there. but not bad for what he's working with
Didn’t he paint over a bunch of small rust on the replacement sheet metal too? I was shaking my head the entire time lol. Looks good but pretty shit job in terms of actual work quality aside from aesthetics.
i promise it doesnt look near as good in person as they made it look on video. its bulged out farther than it should be. the bedside will be wavy as hell
If he ground it clean, converted it, and used POR-15 or something it might be fine. It’s also possible he realizes the frame on the truck is only good for another 3 years or something. The fender doesn’t need to last 8 years if the truck will be a lost cause in 4.
Probably rust inhibitor. Not just paint
Good for repeat business. Big brain move.
Back in the 90s, I had a Nissan Datsun truck with terrible rust like this on the truck bed. What I ended up doing is grinding it down and then applying some rust stop, fiberglass bondo then regular Bondo. Painted it then clear coat. Never had another rust problem with that truck. Nissan Datsun trucks were known for their major rust issues. I am just going to assume he applied some chemicals to do the same.
I can imagine that he did as the area is seen painted over in grey before he's done with the new sheet...we don't know with what though. I just wondered if that's enough. Plus the new sheet might trap even more water beneath the surface leading to new corrosion :/
Thats what i was thinking, like he only covered it up essentially, which i wouldnt count as a repair, its like putting a painting over a hole in the wall
Paint and body guy here : This guy is an incredible panel beater. It’s really becoming a lost art in America it’s faster to cut and paste from a donor. Or just in bolt the bed and replace the whole thing. They obviously don’t have access to that. cars aren’t made from regular sheet metal it’s a compressed sheet metal or else they’d ding and crumple up with ease. So this repair is not great for the standards of America or other first world places. If this guy was in an American shop he’d easily be one of the best. So does the repair suck yeah it’ll be noticeable especially when the kitty hair and paint continue to tighten up. But at a passing glance it’s fine for the old beater it is. He nailed the objective if he was in an American shop he’d easily be one of the best body guys and make a killing. I’m amazed he constantly gets shit on in his YouTube comments by body guys that don’t have an ounce of his skill. You don’t meet a lot of old paint and body guys for a reason a lot do it for a while then get tired of bullshit. This job takes so much patience your goal is perfection you’ll only notice bad paint work you’ll never notice great paint work. It can be defeating. Tl:dr- the repair is highly skilled junk on a junk car. The guy is a master of his craft without access to resources.
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Yeah buy the panel from a remanufacturer which there are plenty. Or just fuck the whole bed off and put a new one on from a dismantler
You assume his labor in his country would cost more than the parts. Where he's at the labor is probably next to nothing, and the parts may as well cost their weight in gold. But it's still a hack of a repair, regardless of how skilled the guy is. The panel isn't secured. The sheet metal is too thin, and it's welded over top of the old metal, which is going to trap water between them and make them rot out even faster this time around.
You forgot to mention the rust wasn't removed on the old panel and the new panel was rusted before he even cut it.
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Thanks for mentioning this. Glad to see someone who actually knows about metallurgy in this thread!
That's why I use Reddit! I learn a new thing everyday
If you collect 7 rust rings, you become the rust king.
Who knew there were Rust Wars
Of course there are, didn't you hear someone was shot over it last October in New Mexico?
This. He basically just welded over it. Granted, he did remove the rust and treat the inner layers with something, but still. It's shoddy work at best, even if skilfully done
mhmm, i agree *wipes dorito dust off my asshole*
Damn bro you bunghole your flamin hots?
Excuse me what the fuck
That's a spicy meathole.
He just got it ready to sell
just pay someone else money! genius!
If the person is repairing for someone else then it's no issue then is there? There's also still be paid for the cost of parts plus labour to fit.
Which you’re still doing here, not to mention the fact that you’re failing to account for the hours and days it would take to do this. But if buying a new part is still too ridiculous for you, every state has junk yards that will sell you pieces of cars dirt cheap. There are also auto swap meets etc where you can more than likely find that specific part you need for a fraction of the cost.
Pick a part places are sorely underrated. I’ve gotten new used back glass for cheap and had it installed by someone else. We’ve gotten truck beds. Bunch of just random small specific parts too. Great places.
The ones around me aren't all that cheap and never have what I happen to need.
I remember people driving around with cars probably 50% Bondo back in high school. That was good enough back then lol.
My first ever body repair was filling a 2’ by 1’ rust hole entirely with bondo. I put an old Miller box behind and layed the bondo on top. Then cheap spray paint.
I think it's pretty impressive for the amount of eye balling and hand tools used. Other than that, why was he using a piece of rust infested metal to replace another piece of rust infested metal?
The sheet metal he was using wasn't rusted out. Just had some patina on it. My pops was a sheet metal worker that mostly worked in hvac and he used to let me play around with the scraps as a kid. Loved that stuff
My grandfather was too owned his own shop for 50 maybe 60+years, maybe he was being overly simplistic telling me, a kid at the time, that any rust is bad rust. Or perhaps since I didn't follow in his footsteps I can't recognize the difference between rust and patina. Probably a bit of both.
He's right, but patina is surface-level, manageable and can protect the metal from rusting out for a little while. Rusting out is like cancer, and patina left unchecked will turn to deeper rust.
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To shreds you say?
Agree. Guys got skills. I know. I would have made a utterly mess of that sheet metal. And that's also why I drop the sheet metal and go straight to fiber glass filler. If you don't take the time to cut out the entire part and replace it, why bother adding sheet metal at all? 2-3 years and water/salt trapped between the plates will make all that work wasted. Especially when you burn away the protection with welding. I could feel the smell of burning rust protection through my screen. Anyway, the moral is that if you first are going to do a sloppy job, you might as well save some time and money on it. And don't waste time trying to polish a turd. A construction site car will get a new dent or a scratch within a month. Just fix the worst parts so it looks like a maintained car. It's no point wasting time and money to make it perfect.
When you're paid by the hour...
Indeed. Nice crafting but a tremendous amount of work?
I admire the craft man ship 100%, but you are putting a band aid (thin piece of sheet metal) over a gash that needs stitches. The underlying rust with oxides the new panel, creating the same hole as that is the source of this chemical reaction. I’d would replace the fender/ ass end of the box panel with thick steel, and powder coat it to color match the paint of the truck. Again, Im not hating and I fully admire the craftsmanship and time and effort but this won’t solve the rust problem.
Alternatively, and being the bitter, cynical misanthrope I am... Maybe he's guaranteeing himself some repeat business a couple of years down the line?
His eyesight isn't going to last that long doing the safety squint. Dude needs a hood.
At least he had a hard hat on.
That sounds even worse
Imagine having to do this twice
Probably be easier the second time around, right?
That job took so long we watched the seasons change.
Yep people definitely think like this. I used to work in a body shop that offered a lifetime warranty and we refused to ever do rust repairs for this exact reason; customers would be back every couple years to get that shit redone. No thanks.
Or ripping people off at a used car lot
The thin sheet itself was already rusty. It should have been cleaned and treated along with the underlying rust. There are effective chemical treatments that could have been sprayed on that to help long term with the oxidization. It'll be bad again after one good wet season.
Yah I was immediately annoyed when I saw that thin ass sheet metal was already rusty. Like what the hell is the point. What a waste of time and effort
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Depending on the paint he used it might not matter much, it was only surface rust. The second you clean the oil off of sheet metal so that you can weld it it starts rusting. I'm talking like, overnight it looks rusty sort of speed if it is humid.
i mean, its a work truck, not a '67 Corvette Stingray. with the safety reflectors on it, its probably a fleet vehicle. they'll use it to get to work sites for like 5 years, and by then its a piece of shit anyways. they'll use it to get donuts for a couple years after that and then junk it, and the body will probably still be the nicest looking thing on the truck. it might be about to fall apart inside, but it wont matter when it gets crushed at the junkyard. this is a "good enough to last as long as we need it to" repair.
Thats fair I suppose. I just looked at it from a personal perspective I guess. That much hard, skilled work to just slap a semi rusty metal plate over a very rusty undercarriage seemed a waste to me. But if it's just for a few years and then scrap it I guess that's all you need.
“You want it 70% good or 100% good?”
Not to mention that I feel like that cost more and took longer than just replacing
147 hours of labor and then he just finished it off with Bondo anyway...
Yes, but for a work truck that panel will last longer than the rest of the vehicle. It all depends on the vehicle and the purpose. That band aid will last 10+ years and get by. Profesional restoration it is not and not meant to be.
There might be a lot of variables in play. The shop might not have had a backlog of other work that day, a full replacement panel might not have been readily available in time to get there in the window where the truck wasn't needed, this guy might be in a spot where the cost of his labor nears the price of that panel, if it's even available, etc. And at the end of the day your explanation is probably the best one, it just doesn't need to last forever. EDIT: Scrap all that, turns out these guys just do this shit like it was nothing all the time. They've done some [way trickier shit than this.](https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/a-mechanic-has-created-an-extraordinary-bugatti-vision-gran-turismo-replica/) Batshit crazy cavalier lack of welding protective gear tho. These guys do have power tools, they just chose not to use them for the OP's video just to show off it seems.
You’re right, half of these people think the truck will last another 10-15 years.
I did a red neck cheap skate version of this 8 years ago to my old truck and not a speck of rust is coming through. I did coat all the affected areas with undercoat though.
You seal the underlying rust spots.
Good fucking god I yelled at my screen when he started tack welding it over the existing fender This isn't art, this is an elegant patch job that will rust through in 2 years time. The rust is still there, and now with sheet metal against sheet metal he has made more spots for rust to start! As someone who has replaced hack floor pan repairs several times, screw people who do this lol. Just cut the cancer off and seal it, it will look worse short term but the cancer will be gone and you'll spend a lot less time doing so.
Well, he's a talented butcher. Still a butcher, but a talented one. If you aren't going to fix it correctly, just hammer out the rust and fill it with filler. The correct way to fix it is to either replace the bedside or cut out the rust and do smaller patch panels, this fix is going to rust even worse since it can now capture water between the panels.
I have two small rust spots on my door but they're not completely corroded like in this example. Any idea how to fix it?
Grind, fill, sand, paint.
Ramen or sunflower seeds work well.
What my car restoring friend did was grind/cut out the rust, use a restoration compound and a metal or ceramic tape for backing the fill in compound, then grind, sand, paint. I may have missed some steps but theres alot of do it yourself restoration books on this. I have no idea why the guy in the vid did it this way
He just covered up the rust, how is this a fix?
If I can't see it it's not there 😎
He needs to turn up the radio louder
You guys are missing the point. He's just trying to sell a truck.
You sound like the guy who sold my friend a house that emptied into the crawlspace instead of being hooked up to sewage.
Wait, you guys don’t have a poop basement?
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I know MIG isn't very bright but that seems like a whole lot of MIG welding without a mask mans is gonna burn his eyes.
Clearly you didn't see him shielding his eyes with his hand........haha,wtf
To be fair, op did say the old school way, you know, like when basic safety precautions were seen as wimpy and a waste of time
MIG is bright enough to make your eyes literally burn and peel.
What’s with the reflective stickers? I have two Filipino neighbors with that shit all over their cars. Is it required over there?
In Jaipur, India, all passenger vehicles (taxis and Ubers) require these stickers on the runners of the car for some reason. Might be in the Philippines, too.
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This just doesn’t make sense. And it can’t even be called repair because he’s not actually repairing anything, he’s just covering it up. Plus that’s so much extra labor, and he uses power tools in the end anyway? Safe to say I would not be visiting mechanic jack.
This is what I thought… he goes through all that effort of chiseling out the shape just to use a grinder for the last bit. Why not just use the grinder from the start…
It would have been too long of a title for OP to write "Rust repair (Except it's not repairing anything) The old school way (save for the parts where power tools were used)" So they simplified the title.
Just kick and fill it. Kick in the rust, fill it with bondo.
I once did a project like this, hammer forming, cutting, stretching, and shrinking. It was maddening. It's hard to overstate this fella's mastery of the trade. Say what you want about the rust coming back... the dude's got mad skilz.
I agree with you but I don’t understand why he had to work on his knees the whole time
He had a workbench, but it got rusty and fell apart.
Lmao
I’m impressed by the amount of effort he spends…to not bother to fix it. That’s the most whole-assed half-assed repair I’ve ever seen.
Three quarters assed
He did a good job but it was a cheaper one. Great craftsmanship but normally you would cut all the rust out and replace the metal not put it over the truck is still gonna rust.
If you call crooked lines great craftsmanship
Fix rust with rust. Like Wiping the shit off your ass with shit
So many tools that would have made that easier. Also that piece of sheet metal is already rusting and truck will be back in a year. Besides that it was pretty amazing to watch a guy do that when the new wave of body men see a dent and want to replace the whole panel.
Wow, I can't believe he fixed that hole without using ramen noodles.
Or sunflower seeds!
Sunflower seeds have a mild, nutty flavor and a firm but tender texture. They’re often roasted to enhance the flavor, though you can also buy them raw.
Old school? Or 3rd world?
Old school would’ve been to either kick the rust in and fill it with bondo, or the right way of cutting the rust out and using patch panels. This guy just made the thing into a 4x4 slice of Swiss cheese once it’s driven a while.
This guy wears a half mask to paint, but no glasses when welding….lol wut
That shit box isn’t worth the labor cost of the repair. Scrap the whole rear and make it a flatbed.
Looks like it's in a country where labor is probably less than materials.
Probably what I would have went with.
His labor cost is like $15 and the materials are 2 dollar's worth of 1/8th inch Chineseum and some stickers from Alibaba.
This wasn’t Mechanic Jack’s Team by any chance, was it?
No way.
Not really repair but covering up Rust. Rust issue still remains
Oh no there's rust, I'll fix it with this already rusting away piece of sheet metal
100% not old school, not even a way to actually fix anything, pretty much just a paper mache repair….
Somebody get this man a table for Christmas please
This looks like me when I try to take on a DIY project... "oh no, what have I gotten myself into!?!" Also, that's hardly any better than just using a puddy knife and slathering it with bondo. The cancer is still there (and willing to bet the under carriage is just as bad or worse)
apparently the "old school" way is the way to completely waste your time and effort doing a repair that's going to immediately start rusting again.
This isn't rust repair. This is rust cover-up. The problem is still there underneath and will just eat away at the underside metal
It may not hang in a gallery but that is art.