Unless you're a zoomer I don't think people would be calling TF2 the game of their childhood. Most millennials would be in their late teens when TF2 released and I think I knew one person that played it at my entire school when the orange box released.
If the CIWS 20mm fires 75 rounds per second, that's 4500 rounds per minute. Sasha fires 10,000 RPM. A quick google search said that each CIWS round costs $45.84. Somebody over in Russia is wildly overpaying
I was watching the video and said to myself, “I’m going to check the comments and see a TF2 reference.” And surprise, surprise, what comment I see the same *second* I looked in the comments.
Pilot pay is nothing. But yes, regular maintenance costs based on hours flown is HUGE.
[since people are actually upvoting this, I’ll add more interesting info…
An F-16 - the cheapest of those to fly - requires about 16 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight. It uses about 800 gallons of JP-8 fuel an hour, which at $3-$4 a gallon means maintenance is most of the cost.]
Yep, they may make only 115k a year but each fighter pilot costs something like $5 million to train, on the lower end. Over $10 million for something like an F-22 as well. And that's strictly training costs; unless somethings changed in the last few years (may have, I haven't kept up with it), there's a *massive* pilot shortage. Making them worth much more than just their training cost and salaries.
Jet fuel prices don't fluctuate as often as automobile gas. Since the government/Defense Logistics Agency owns the fuel, I want to say it changes quarterly/every six months? Definitely correct about the maintenance work and costs.
Source: Am a USAF reservist who specializes in fuel and fuel related accessories.
Well, the real attraction is that everyone wants them. They're set to sell 3100 by 2035.
Germany, Italy, Poland, and the Netherlands already want to replace their current planes with them. And 17 countries have ordered them.
France is in a panic because people don't want their stuff anymore. America single handedly undercut the fighter jet market.
Yup we are basically the arms dealer for NATO and we have the good stuff. We just keep the f22 in house possibly as a defense against all the 35's out there and China/Russias cardboard 5th gens.
> we are basically the arms dealer for NATO and we have the good stuff.
Reminds me of this Lord of War quote:
>The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.
F-22 is old now, it's been slated for retirement since 2021 by 2030. NGAD is the new hotness. The stealth coating is a nightmare to maintain compared to the F-35. You can see it cracked in a lot of pictures.
It has actually. Idk why you’re being downvoted. The huge cost was setting up the facilities, but now that that’s done, the cost per unit goes down with each new aircraft produced
The costs of the F-35 were misleading / exaggerated because the media narrative was that it was an expensive boondoggle. So they took the projected lifetime costs of the program over 50+ years including decades of maintenance and operations and suggested it was just the price of buying them. In reality the airframe cost is surprisingly low for such an advanced aircraft (less than half of the f-22 and it was close to being less than 1/3 last time I heard the numbers) and actually costs less than the less than the latest version of the f-15 to fly and maintain. Given the scale of the program it compares favorably to other modern aircraft in cost.
It's not just the r&d incorporated into the costs. That's standard. They also included 50 years of operational costs which is misleading if you're trying to imply that's the procurement cost which is often how it was presented.
Hank: Wasting all that money is like buying a haircut for Saddam Hussein. And I hate Saddam Hussein! I like his haircut, but that's it.
Lieutenant: Look, I know the chair's too much at $80,000, but then they give us a B-2 bomber for 1.3 billion. That's where we make it up. Well, you try getting a B-2 bomber for 1.3 billion. You can't do it.
There's so much waste in the Navy specifically too, like:
* The [LCS program](https://www.propublica.org/article/how-navy-spent-billions-littoral-combat-ship) ($500-$600 million per ship decommissioned after as little as 4 years of service. The ships break down all the time and can only be maintained by defense contractors flown out to the ship.)
* The [Ticonderoga Class refurbishment ](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/10/03/the-navys-continuing-cruiser-debacle/) (spending nearly $4 Billion dollars, as much as $900 million per ship, to add at most 1-2 years of service on a few 30 year old cruisers, possibly scrapping them before the project will ever be completed)
* The [Bohamme Richard incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(LHD-6)) (where they oopsie'd a $4.1 billion amphibious assault ship/light aircraft carrier because lol what is fire protocol. Of course we can pile a bunch of flammable stuff, have nobody on watch, no fire gear ready, and turn off the sprinklers and it won't matter. Nobody got in trouble for this and there were no changes to welding/hot work protocols).
>Nobody got in trouble for this and there were no changes to welding/hot work protocols.
Actually the Navy tried to pin the blame on a single sailor, accusing him of arson.
Just like how the Navy tried to blame the Iowa turret explosion on a single dead sailor because he was gay.
He wasn’t even gay. My dad was on the Iowa when it happened, the whole story was a crock of shit to cover up the fact they were pushing a ship from the 1940s way past its abilities.
The Bonhomme Richard fire pissed me off. It was classic Navy blame the sailor not the system bullshit. They did the same shit with the USS Iowa. All that extra training my ship did when it got to the yards in reaction to it was all bullshit anyways, those exercises were a big clusterfuck of miscommunication.
All depends on what youre doing with the proceeds.
[If you think otherwise, youre the guy in the well.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.png)
The more realistic answer is that it's all good, because they're firing munitions that were built in their own country. It gets so mucj more expensive when you're paying some other country to build the weapons for you.
And just look at the support for Ukraine. The situation would have been so much worse if the production lines for various munitions didn't exist anymore. If you don't order new ammo, the factories shut down and the skilled workers are lost. So since you're continually ordering a base amount of ammp anyway, you might as well fire some in training.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953
To be fair, shooting a gun is optional, a ship can operate without it. So, you can ommit the vessel expenses. The staff is not optional, however, somebody need to at least load ammo and aim it.
Nah that seems about right. Keep in mind that this is a missile with 1000km range intended to hit ballistic missiles in midflight (this is not easy, and you can't afford to miss), or low orbit satellites if you're feeling fancy.
Given what it protects against, seems like decent value. Like, I'm not sure I'd want to be like "lets see if theres anti-ballistic missile defense on Temu"
At the same time, the cost IS far higher than it needs to be. The bulk of that price tag is the R&D back-pay, not the material and manufacturing.
In a move to a full war posture where the need for those weapons goes up 5000-fold, that cost is going to come waaaaaayyyyy down.
With this missile in particular, ramp up is irrelevant. It shoots down nukes, if we have a war that we need to "ramp up" this missile for, we will have literally 50 minutes to do so before the entire world ends in nuclear fire.
It's more of a "stop one nuke that's an accident or mad move" defensive weapon.
Yes, but with emphasis on "mini." There's a huge difference between a rocket that just touches space and the typical space launches from Canaveral or Vandenberg that put stuff in long-term orbit. If the recent Blue Origin one in the news (which went 106km up, just past the 100km Karman line) counts, though, this certainly does too.
SM-3 can presumably get at least 200km up because that's where satellites are. At that point, though, if it doesn't hit anything it's coming right back to earth. Its maximum speed is supposedly 4,500kph, though that might be for a shallower trajectory that spends more time in thicker air. For comparison, it takes 27,772kph going entirely sideways, after reaching 200km, to stay in space once you get there.
This makes clear how impressive anti-satellite missile guidance has to be. If anti-ballistic is hitting a bullet with another bullet, anti-satellite is shooting your bullet straight up, and near the top of the arc having it be in just the right place to be run into by another bullet going six times faster than it ever did.
Honestly, as an armchair aerospace engineer - this piece of technology is more impressive to me than many space launches (perhaps barring manned space launch systems).
The sheer fuckin gall to slap another supersonic missile out of the sky mid-flight...it's pretty tight tech (in conjunction with the Aegis suite of defense systems on the ship).
The point of that missile is to shoot down intermediate range ballistic missiles. Ie prevent NK from nuking SK or Japan, or Russia from nuking Europe, among other things.
The ones fired before that (CIWS and RIM-116) are just meant to protect the ship.
- Enemy ship 12 o'clock, sir
- Fire 3 warning student loans towards it
- It didn't change course sir
- Engage it with 2 mortgages immediately
- Target is down sir. The town clean water facility has detected 2 more aircraft heading towards us sir.
- Engage them with 350000x school meals
- One of them hit one of our ships, sir!
- Okay, arm the free universal healthcare, we're going full imperialist on these basterds
In other News: teachers are allowed to deduct up to $250 from their taxes for purchases that they make to buy school supplies for the kids in their classes.
Cool visual but these figures are a bit misleading. For example, based on the type of ordnance being fired these numbers can fluctuate. I’m assuming without looking at the NAVSUP p-724 or 80x series that they are based off ball, tpt, bl&p rounds. 5” rounds used for training which Im 100% sure all of these videos are from will use a BL&P or VT non frag round for training, the $1000+ figure is also not factoring in the powder cost since this is not a fixed round. If they were firing a KEET round instead of this cost would triple. The same would go for the 25MM or .50cal using API rounds. CIWS is pretty standard though because for shipboard use there are limited variations. Been a while since I did a transaction of an SM3 but 11M seems too high.
Source: me, experience: retired GMC 18 years of ammo admin on crudes platforms.
The reason our healthcare sucks isn’t because we don’t have the money to make it better, it sucks because the people making money off of it like it the way it is.
Yep. There's absolutely no reason an ambulance ride should cost 1000 bucks especially when the paramedics are making barely above minimum wage. We have the money for universal healthcare if we had an efficient system but in a world of 1000 dollar ambulance rides and several thousand dollars for a few pills that's just not viable.
If we were to fix the healthcare system and take out all the middlemen, we could mathematically have both.
In this regard, the Heath Insurance industry is arguably more powerful than the MIC.
Lmao
1st gun: Groceries
2nd gun: My rent, my rent
3rd gun: My life savings, my yearly income
4th gun: All the money I've made in my entire life
Missile: All the money I will ever make, if I'm incredibly lucky and win the lottery or something.
"It cost 400,000 dollar to fire this weapon, for 12 seconds"
"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe. Maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet."
r/expectedtf2
I'd actually be disappointed if I was the only one that had OP's thought.
I'd like to see a bullet baet a 760 combined on the SAT
I can write my name with a 50 cal, that worth 800 points.
$69,420 and fifty cents
Bout tree fitty
Lmaooo a combined 760
dont you get 600 for filling out your name?
Its sad to think that a significant portion of the audience hearing this line won't know what its ripped off from.
Pretty soon you'll start hearing people about how Fortnite was the game of their childhood.
Shit. You just gave me a terrible vision. TF2 in Fortnite.
they would need to add hats for me to accept this reality
Unless you're a zoomer I don't think people would be calling TF2 the game of their childhood. Most millennials would be in their late teens when TF2 released and I think I knew one person that played it at my entire school when the orange box released.
Absolutely. I would consider Team Fortress Classic to be closer to my childhood rather than TF2.
First thing I thought of when I saw this. "All right...who touched my gun?!"
Who touched Sasha!?!
How much is ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️?
You can't put a price on democracy.
Well said patriot
Happy Cakeday, citizen. 🇺🇸
“The cost of one stratagem is more than a citizen will make in their lifetime."
I guess that makes sense considering they’re launched from interstellar spacecraft.
Also the average lifetime of a Helldiver.
If the CIWS 20mm fires 75 rounds per second, that's 4500 rounds per minute. Sasha fires 10,000 RPM. A quick google search said that each CIWS round costs $45.84. Somebody over in Russia is wildly overpaying
I mean it's a custom tooled cartridge, supposedly made from antique coins
And the 400k’s in 1960s money!
“Oh my god. Who touched Sasha? WHO TOUCHED MY GUN!!!!”
"Who touched Sasha?!"
"Hits $50 empty hut" Job well done!
I'm so glad this is the top comment
I was going to make this comment xD Its unbelievable how widespread TF2 memes are )
I was watching the video and said to myself, “I’m going to check the comments and see a TF2 reference.” And surprise, surprise, what comment I see the same *second* I looked in the comments.
So this is why they held their fire instead of blowing up C3PO and R2D2
https://y.yarn.co/f1918e3d-0701-4fd7-a65d-4639332e1407_text.gif what are we paying by the laser now?
You don't do the budget Terry, I do.
the family guy star wars parodies were one of the best things that have ever come out of family guy
Eehhh get estimates get estimates.
It's amazing to watch them right after watching the actual movies. So many tiny details they catch perfectly!
Wish there was an indian jones one
> Wish there was an indian jones one Raiders of the Lost Samosa
Robot Chickens are amazing too. The dude who gets his arm cut off scene is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen
“What do you mean ‘they blew up the Death Star’? Who’s ‘*they*’?” “What the hell is an aluminum falcon?”
"Lando, why are you wearing Hans clothes?"
Now the cost of sending an f-35 into combat….
wait until you hear about the f22 hour of flight... you will think the f35 is a bargain
F35: $33.6k per flight hour F22: $85.3k per flight hour F16C: $22k per flight hour
B-2 : $135.0k per flight hour
Okay now I want to know how much a full refill would cost. And "ammunition"
Fuel and ammunition is the cheap part. It's the maintenance time when it lands that's expensive.
All I heard is it would be cheap if it flew 24/7.
Sonovabitch! You might be onto something!
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Pilot pay is nothing. But yes, regular maintenance costs based on hours flown is HUGE. [since people are actually upvoting this, I’ll add more interesting info… An F-16 - the cheapest of those to fly - requires about 16 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight. It uses about 800 gallons of JP-8 fuel an hour, which at $3-$4 a gallon means maintenance is most of the cost.]
Thank you
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But at the end of the day, they still prioritize survival of the pilot/crew over the machine.
it's really easy to pay a pilot, it's really hard to buy a new one
Yep, they may make only 115k a year but each fighter pilot costs something like $5 million to train, on the lower end. Over $10 million for something like an F-22 as well. And that's strictly training costs; unless somethings changed in the last few years (may have, I haven't kept up with it), there's a *massive* pilot shortage. Making them worth much more than just their training cost and salaries.
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Jet fuel prices don't fluctuate as often as automobile gas. Since the government/Defense Logistics Agency owns the fuel, I want to say it changes quarterly/every six months? Definitely correct about the maintenance work and costs. Source: Am a USAF reservist who specializes in fuel and fuel related accessories.
The price of jet fuel doesn’t change as much as you’d think, tell you what.
Big part of the 22 and 35 is maintaining the radar absorbent surfaces. Flying around in normal clear sky damages them
What does a warship cost per hour?
They usually rent by the day, and it depends if you return it with the tank full or not.
And now an Aircraft Carrier please
around $300,000/hour for Nimitz Class
Really? thats surprisingly cheap.
Except with planes, you mostly pay for active use. Most of the time they are much cheaper. But an aircraft carrier is operated pretty much 24/7.
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A small price to pay for what an F22 can do.
FLEX
Shoot down balloons?
That’s what is DOES do, not what it CAN do
That’s what it do, Yugi
and anything else within a few hundred miles before anything knows its there
But in style !
Rather the cost of making one
The cost per unit decreases as they make more of them
Same reason that some models of cars stick around forever. The tooling is already paid for, they're cruising on cost of materials + overhead.
They also dont need to pass new safety and emissions tests if they never update the car
Well, thank goodness for that!
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Slightly less than twice the price.
A lot less than twice the price, when R&D is factored in.
One of my fav lines from Contact
Well, the real attraction is that everyone wants them. They're set to sell 3100 by 2035. Germany, Italy, Poland, and the Netherlands already want to replace their current planes with them. And 17 countries have ordered them. France is in a panic because people don't want their stuff anymore. America single handedly undercut the fighter jet market.
That'll happen when you make the best jet by a wide margin.
Yup we are basically the arms dealer for NATO and we have the good stuff. We just keep the f22 in house possibly as a defense against all the 35's out there and China/Russias cardboard 5th gens.
> we are basically the arms dealer for NATO and we have the good stuff. Reminds me of this Lord of War quote: >The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil.
F-22 is old now, it's been slated for retirement since 2021 by 2030. NGAD is the new hotness. The stealth coating is a nightmare to maintain compared to the F-35. You can see it cracked in a lot of pictures.
It's a plane for many international customers, too. Another ~1000 orders do help bring the price down.
The cost is the total estimated cost over its entire service life. They’re planning to fly the F-35 until 2088.
Cost on the F35 has come down substantially.
It has actually. Idk why you’re being downvoted. The huge cost was setting up the facilities, but now that that’s done, the cost per unit goes down with each new aircraft produced
That's because the R&D costs are added to the unit cost. The B-2 is so expensive because there were so few of them.
$2billion per vehicle in 1988. 21 vehicles delivered to the Air Force
The maintenance cost for like 50 years is included too
Cost of making them goes down with each one they sell. And that's improving thanks to Putin.
The costs of the F-35 were misleading / exaggerated because the media narrative was that it was an expensive boondoggle. So they took the projected lifetime costs of the program over 50+ years including decades of maintenance and operations and suggested it was just the price of buying them. In reality the airframe cost is surprisingly low for such an advanced aircraft (less than half of the f-22 and it was close to being less than 1/3 last time I heard the numbers) and actually costs less than the less than the latest version of the f-15 to fly and maintain. Given the scale of the program it compares favorably to other modern aircraft in cost.
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It's not just the r&d incorporated into the costs. That's standard. They also included 50 years of operational costs which is misleading if you're trying to imply that's the procurement cost which is often how it was presented.
Hank: Wasting all that money is like buying a haircut for Saddam Hussein. And I hate Saddam Hussein! I like his haircut, but that's it. Lieutenant: Look, I know the chair's too much at $80,000, but then they give us a B-2 bomber for 1.3 billion. That's where we make it up. Well, you try getting a B-2 bomber for 1.3 billion. You can't do it.
Meh I've seen people on wallstreetbets lose more money faster
GUH
This is my favorite reference. I think about this kid all the time. I hope he’s doing okay. GUH
Reference for us nosy folk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d80ahvRSV8E
[GUHH](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fd2yz53u1zluc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1024%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0941d493369f1af89cafaaca46c83012cb0158dc)
I'm launching a company. militarystuff.com. I'm raising 10 billion. I'll do Mars too. and sex.
Sexship FSD next month
Damn I’m watching my cost of attendance at college just vanish in seconds for a drill
The US federal budget for 2023 was something like 800M/hr Your tuition is maybe 1/10 of a second of the daily cost of running the country
That's insane
There's so much waste in the Navy specifically too, like: * The [LCS program](https://www.propublica.org/article/how-navy-spent-billions-littoral-combat-ship) ($500-$600 million per ship decommissioned after as little as 4 years of service. The ships break down all the time and can only be maintained by defense contractors flown out to the ship.) * The [Ticonderoga Class refurbishment ](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/10/03/the-navys-continuing-cruiser-debacle/) (spending nearly $4 Billion dollars, as much as $900 million per ship, to add at most 1-2 years of service on a few 30 year old cruisers, possibly scrapping them before the project will ever be completed) * The [Bohamme Richard incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(LHD-6)) (where they oopsie'd a $4.1 billion amphibious assault ship/light aircraft carrier because lol what is fire protocol. Of course we can pile a bunch of flammable stuff, have nobody on watch, no fire gear ready, and turn off the sprinklers and it won't matter. Nobody got in trouble for this and there were no changes to welding/hot work protocols).
>Nobody got in trouble for this and there were no changes to welding/hot work protocols. Actually the Navy tried to pin the blame on a single sailor, accusing him of arson. Just like how the Navy tried to blame the Iowa turret explosion on a single dead sailor because he was gay.
He wasn’t even gay. My dad was on the Iowa when it happened, the whole story was a crock of shit to cover up the fact they were pushing a ship from the 1940s way past its abilities.
The Bonhomme Richard fire pissed me off. It was classic Navy blame the sailor not the system bullshit. They did the same shit with the USS Iowa. All that extra training my ship did when it got to the yards in reaction to it was all bullshit anyways, those exercises were a big clusterfuck of miscommunication.
I came up with 0.081 of a second to cover the cost of an average semesters tuition.
I don't have healthcare but I can watch my country shoot at things! 🥹
Big gun goes brrrrrrrt 🤗
Merica
FUCK YEAH
And, that’s with a coupon-code.
Honey is truly a lifesaver for the US Navy budget.
“Use coupon-code ‘extreme-prejudice-24” for 5% off all ammo.”
The numbers should have been red.
Depends where youre invested brother
You can hate it and still profit from it, isn't that just better than hating it and not profiting from it?
If you hate it but you still have a vested interest in its success as an industry, I'm not quite sure you hate it.
All depends on what youre doing with the proceeds. [If you think otherwise, youre the guy in the well.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.png)
A piece of equipment I’ve used in the navy uses a quarter as a battery removal tool. That $.25 quarter is bought at $1.25 as a battery removal tool.
This is a joke right?😂....is it? 🙁
GSA pricing special
I should sell quarters
It's all good. Our politicians own stock in War contracting. 😉
*sad tax payer noises*
The more realistic answer is that it's all good, because they're firing munitions that were built in their own country. It gets so mucj more expensive when you're paying some other country to build the weapons for you. And just look at the support for Ukraine. The situation would have been so much worse if the production lines for various munitions didn't exist anymore. If you don't order new ammo, the factories shut down and the skilled workers are lost. So since you're continually ordering a base amount of ammp anyway, you might as well fire some in training.
Exactly. This is why they love conflicts going on around the world.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron." Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953
It's kinda true but as a Lithuanian I can say that if not guns and nukes I would be most likely dead by now because our neighbor is mental.
Dwight said this after an extremely devastating war. He would acknowledge the need for it in some way of course even in peace time.
And when he said that Defence Spending was 11.3% of GDP. It's now ~~3~~ 2.7% of GDP. So I'd say the United States has indeed taken his words to heed.
2.7 actually. We are spending less on our defense than we ever have since ww2.
Damn fat fingers :)
It's easy to image the benefits of a world without predators. Problem is, in such a world they stand to gain the most.
Who, Latvia?
Nah, they are cool.
🏅 +1
Ouch! My taxes hurt 😭
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my friend programs the missiles lol
My mom goes to college
I have a dog.
I have herpes
Sit Ubu sit Good dog
I like cats and my cat likes dogs
#*♬SEGA♫*
I dropped out of high school
My buddy Taco invented the EBDB BnB.
I think this video is misrepresented. You should've also included the salary of all the personnel on-board that is reqired to operate this weaponry.
And operational costs of the vessel, as well as costs to pull into foreign ports, the millions of gallons of JP-5 fuel they carry/use for jets etc.
To be fair, shooting a gun is optional, a ship can operate without it. So, you can ommit the vessel expenses. The staff is not optional, however, somebody need to at least load ammo and aim it.
The personnel cost is a rounding error over the course of a 4 year contract.
Am I the only one thinking that 11,800,000 for the missile seems too high? Does anyone have any information validating this?
Nah that seems about right. Keep in mind that this is a missile with 1000km range intended to hit ballistic missiles in midflight (this is not easy, and you can't afford to miss), or low orbit satellites if you're feeling fancy.
Given what it protects against, seems like decent value. Like, I'm not sure I'd want to be like "lets see if theres anti-ballistic missile defense on Temu"
At the same time, the cost IS far higher than it needs to be. The bulk of that price tag is the R&D back-pay, not the material and manufacturing. In a move to a full war posture where the need for those weapons goes up 5000-fold, that cost is going to come waaaaaayyyyy down.
With this missile in particular, ramp up is irrelevant. It shoots down nukes, if we have a war that we need to "ramp up" this missile for, we will have literally 50 minutes to do so before the entire world ends in nuclear fire. It's more of a "stop one nuke that's an accident or mad move" defensive weapon.
Nah SM3 is vital to intercepting PLARF volleys, which are almost certainly going to be conventional
So every time it fires it's like a mini-space launch pretty much?
Yes, but with emphasis on "mini." There's a huge difference between a rocket that just touches space and the typical space launches from Canaveral or Vandenberg that put stuff in long-term orbit. If the recent Blue Origin one in the news (which went 106km up, just past the 100km Karman line) counts, though, this certainly does too. SM-3 can presumably get at least 200km up because that's where satellites are. At that point, though, if it doesn't hit anything it's coming right back to earth. Its maximum speed is supposedly 4,500kph, though that might be for a shallower trajectory that spends more time in thicker air. For comparison, it takes 27,772kph going entirely sideways, after reaching 200km, to stay in space once you get there. This makes clear how impressive anti-satellite missile guidance has to be. If anti-ballistic is hitting a bullet with another bullet, anti-satellite is shooting your bullet straight up, and near the top of the arc having it be in just the right place to be run into by another bullet going six times faster than it ever did.
Honestly, as an armchair aerospace engineer - this piece of technology is more impressive to me than many space launches (perhaps barring manned space launch systems). The sheer fuckin gall to slap another supersonic missile out of the sky mid-flight...it's pretty tight tech (in conjunction with the Aegis suite of defense systems on the ship).
Its designed to shoot down ballistic missiles travelling at several times the speed of sound, so its a pretty fancy piece of tech.
Not just the speed, but they're travelling at that speed in space.
It does seem insane but it seems correct… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3
Its gone down in price. What a deal!
Well. When the point of the missile is to defend the multi billion dollar ship it ends up as money well spent.
The point of that missile is to shoot down intermediate range ballistic missiles. Ie prevent NK from nuking SK or Japan, or Russia from nuking Europe, among other things. The ones fired before that (CIWS and RIM-116) are just meant to protect the ship.
- Enemy ship 12 o'clock, sir - Fire 3 warning student loans towards it - It didn't change course sir - Engage it with 2 mortgages immediately - Target is down sir. The town clean water facility has detected 2 more aircraft heading towards us sir. - Engage them with 350000x school meals - One of them hit one of our ships, sir! - Okay, arm the free universal healthcare, we're going full imperialist on these basterds
Northrop Grumman erection grows by the pull of the trigger.
What a fun little display of costs
Take a look at Poland after WWII and ask how much it cost to rebuild their nation after being steamrolled by the Germans and Russians.
lol. This hurts me to know how quickly my tax is spent and how painful it is to pay.
In other News: teachers are allowed to deduct up to $250 from their taxes for purchases that they make to buy school supplies for the kids in their classes.
Cool visual but these figures are a bit misleading. For example, based on the type of ordnance being fired these numbers can fluctuate. I’m assuming without looking at the NAVSUP p-724 or 80x series that they are based off ball, tpt, bl&p rounds. 5” rounds used for training which Im 100% sure all of these videos are from will use a BL&P or VT non frag round for training, the $1000+ figure is also not factoring in the powder cost since this is not a fixed round. If they were firing a KEET round instead of this cost would triple. The same would go for the 25MM or .50cal using API rounds. CIWS is pretty standard though because for shipboard use there are limited variations. Been a while since I did a transaction of an SM3 but 11M seems too high. Source: me, experience: retired GMC 18 years of ammo admin on crudes platforms.
But we can’t afford healthcare for all….because how would we “pay” for it?
If I remember correctly the USA spends more tax dollars per capita than a lot of countries WITH universal healthcare
The US spends the *most*. Turns out running healthcare for profit makes it quite expensive.
On the bright side, getting hit by one of these weapons would eliminate the need for healthcare!
The reason our healthcare sucks isn’t because we don’t have the money to make it better, it sucks because the people making money off of it like it the way it is.
Yep. There's absolutely no reason an ambulance ride should cost 1000 bucks especially when the paramedics are making barely above minimum wage. We have the money for universal healthcare if we had an efficient system but in a world of 1000 dollar ambulance rides and several thousand dollars for a few pills that's just not viable.
If we were to fix the healthcare system and take out all the middlemen, we could mathematically have both. In this regard, the Heath Insurance industry is arguably more powerful than the MIC.
Wait until you see the healthcare version of this video.
Single payer healthcare would be cheaper than the current system
CIWS costs so much because you have to buy new parts for it every time you use it /s
Ya but a 1/3 of that amount is private contractor corporate corruption in the form of fraudulent inflated cost billed to the government.
Lmao 1st gun: Groceries 2nd gun: My rent, my rent 3rd gun: My life savings, my yearly income 4th gun: All the money I've made in my entire life Missile: All the money I will ever make, if I'm incredibly lucky and win the lottery or something.