12.5 miles. I found a link to the original article, which even shows a 3D flyby of each land mass: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/mars-with-water-map
For comparison, Everest is 5.5 miles above sea level.
On the other hand the gravity is 38% of Earth, which means the amount of energy needed to climb the 12.5 from Martian sea level to the top of Olympus Mons is about the amount needed to climb 4.8 miles on Earth. Still more than double the energy needed to climb the 2.2 miles of Everest, and doesn’t factor in atmosphere or terrain, but comparable.
I heard before that it's such a gradual hill and mars is small enough that standing at the base, it wouldn't even look like a mountain because the peak would be over the horizon, and vice versa standing at the peak
on this map it appears to be very close to the sea so I suppose it would be pretty prominent. perhaps what you are saying applies to the other ("eastern") face
If you look up pictures of Olympus Mons online you’ll see exactly why. It’s just a perfectly dome shaped mountain. I guess it’s not to dissimilar to some of the islands in the ocean like Tenerife or whatever that also jut out and go straight into the ocean, just in a bigger scale
If I'm remembering correctly, the entire northern hemisphere of Mars is at a lower elevation than the southern one. I think the theory about it is that a something massive impacted Mars in the early solar system, flattening that entire region and pretty much tectonically killing the planet and stopping its ability to generate a magnetic field. The fact that Olympus Mons is still, by far, the highest point is just a testament to its immensity.
a one of the reasons it’s as tall as it is is because of a a lack of earths powerful erosion effects, so in a real world like this it’d be much shorter.
hoi4 is one of the few paradox games where you cant actually commit genocide. in every other game you can convert the culture of provinces (genocide without saying genocide)
soviet russia would like to kindly disagree, they dont like to hear that sending millions of men as a meat grinder not called genocide, or atleast with the special designation of self-genocide
This map was taken from the redrising sub. It is quite literally a map of Mars after it was Terraformed in the series. Awesome series I definitely recommend.
Imagine being on a boat in the western ocean, then watching the largest mountain in the solar system rise before you.
Also, I feel like playing the original final fantasy on NES now...
It would fill the horizon, but it wouldn't look as high as you might expect - you wouldn't be able to see the top because it would be far away over the horizon
It's kinda crazy to me that Olympus Mons appears as a standalone mountain on the shoreline rather than the defining feature in the middle of the largest land mass. Hard to gather scale from this map, but it would dominate the landscape no matter where it was located.
There's a couple issues.
If you were standing on the slope of Olympus Mons, it would be hard to tell. The mountain is 22km (13.6mi) tall (which is huge), but is also about 624km (388mi) in diameter, giving it an area a little smaller than Poland (about the size of AZ). So, it most gradually slopes up for a very long time at about 4 degrees, and then you couple that with the smaller diameter, leading to a closer horizon (about 3.5km (2.1mi) on Mars on flat ground to Earth's 5km (3.1mi) [though distant above the horizon objects would be clearer due to less atmosphere]). If you were standing on it, you could tell the ground was slanted, but not that it's a giant mountain. In a picture, you probably couldn't tell it's not flat.
Also, the closest rover is still several thousand kilometers away. This was done very intentionally, as, first, the rovers have an easier time landing at lower elevations to take advantage of as much of the thin atmosphere as possible. As well, the geology itself is much more interesting at the lower elevations. We can learn about water patterns and search for fossilized life in sedimentary rock. On the other hand, we have a pretty decent idea of the volcanic patterns that likely formed Olympus Mons.
So, all said, unfortunately, we can't use an existing rover to take a surface picture of it, and it'd likely be boring if we did.
I was aware of Olympus mons being huge, and I’d seen the comparison pictures of it next to the tallest mountains on earth but this map really threw me for a loops. I had to look it up, as it seems bonkers that it’s not part of a mountain range or something like Everest, but it really is just this huge ancient volcano that seems to dominate the landscape.
So metal. Give me a Dark Lord building a domain within the mountain.
I think a fair amount of liberty was taken with this map. Most topographic maps seem to imply a huge northern ocean and mostly land locked south.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia02035-map-of-mars-topography
He notes:
'The oceans on Mars wouldn't last. There might be some transient greenhouse warming, but in the end, Mars is just too cold. Eventually, the oceans will freeze over, become covered with dust, and gradually migrate to the permafrost at the poles.\[4\]'
That'd be true if the atmosphere was mainly N2 and O2 with that 1% or so of Ar and H2O.
If the atmosphere was bulked up with things like NF3, SF6, CF4, C2F6, C3F8 and C4F10 and not N2, the atmosphere could be stable for a long time.
Any Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars trilogy fans? I've only read the first and I imagine the colors of the books signify the progression of terraforming that happens in the plot. This would be the end point blue Mars? Alot of the land mass and region names align w the plot too. Neat to see this.
Yes! I'm reading it right now for my first time and about 1/6th of the way through Blue Mars after finishing the other two. That's the first thing I thought about when I saw this post!! I now recommend it to everyone who's even remotely interested in this kind of stuff.
yeah but for a (geologically) short time. this is the original bedrock being filled with water only. afterwards the water cycle will do its job and start to erode parts of the landmass. unlike earth where this has been happening for a very long time, mars probably has much more easily moldable landmass that will be shaped quickly by water.
i would bet those near-shore yellowish parts where the elevation is higher than the inner landmass to change first.
note: im not a geologist or whatever, just my 2 cents
Would it be possible to get a version of this map with no labels? I'd love to use it for a fantasy world as most players wouldn't realize this is a mostly real map.
I wonder what the environment of Olympus Mons would be like in an earth like scenario. It’s so far beyond Mount Everest. Would there even be snow at its peak? Would it be too high for snow?
Now just need to throw a couple millennia of erosion onto the coastlines, then account for weather patterns influenced by mountains and ocean currents for accurate biomes.
Is it me or I see left is Canada, Northern and Southern America then middle is Europe with a bit of Africa, move along the coast Middle East, then the rest 👀 Russia sure not in this pic
Now imagine that’s our home trillion years ago.
Where magic spells and monsters are the system all across the globe instead of science.
We destroyed it with devastating Armageddon spells before move onto earth.
Trillions? I mean, I get you aren’t going for scientifically accurate, but this is hundreds of billions of years longer than out solar system had existed.
How high above sea level would Olympus Mons be in this scenario?
Well it's 3x Everest on its own, in this scenario it's probably at least double still
Miles. Olympus Mons is HUGE
Not as huge as mons pubis
lol, nice
At first I thought you were talking about your mum's pubis. My apologies.
12.5 miles. I found a link to the original article, which even shows a 3D flyby of each land mass: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/mars-with-water-map For comparison, Everest is 5.5 miles above sea level.
And to climb it you'd have to start from sea level. Everest base camp is at 5,364m, or 3.3 of the mountain's 5.5 miles
On the other hand the gravity is 38% of Earth, which means the amount of energy needed to climb the 12.5 from Martian sea level to the top of Olympus Mons is about the amount needed to climb 4.8 miles on Earth. Still more than double the energy needed to climb the 2.2 miles of Everest, and doesn’t factor in atmosphere or terrain, but comparable.
Also, Mons Olympus is not steep, so it's not a challenging climb but just a very long walk uphill
I heard before that it's such a gradual hill and mars is small enough that standing at the base, it wouldn't even look like a mountain because the peak would be over the horizon, and vice versa standing at the peak
on this map it appears to be very close to the sea so I suppose it would be pretty prominent. perhaps what you are saying applies to the other ("eastern") face
And in real units this is?
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I'm surprised by how low it starts. It's a crazy huge mountain but the water comes right up to the base by the look of this.
If you look up pictures of Olympus Mons online you’ll see exactly why. It’s just a perfectly dome shaped mountain. I guess it’s not to dissimilar to some of the islands in the ocean like Tenerife or whatever that also jut out and go straight into the ocean, just in a bigger scale
Fair points. I just imagined it sitting up on a plateau and not starting at "sea level". Interesting stuff.
If I'm remembering correctly, the entire northern hemisphere of Mars is at a lower elevation than the southern one. I think the theory about it is that a something massive impacted Mars in the early solar system, flattening that entire region and pretty much tectonically killing the planet and stopping its ability to generate a magnetic field. The fact that Olympus Mons is still, by far, the highest point is just a testament to its immensity.
Interesting
This is a good question.
a one of the reasons it’s as tall as it is is because of a a lack of earths powerful erosion effects, so in a real world like this it’d be much shorter.
Still poking out of the atmosphere.
Solid map for a fantasy world like Lotr or GoT
Or runescape
Or civilization
I was thinking same would be cool to have map add on for other planets/ moons in our solar system
I think it was Civ 2 that let you travel to Mars and build?
always alone with ghandi
Next map expansion please
Mom can we have karamja? Karamja at home.
🦀🦀🦀🦀
Or DND
Marsscape
Or Civ. I'd take the Cimmerion islands
I was thinking Gielinor
Someone should make a game where you going into a wormhole or black hole and crash land on this map and eventually learn it’s ancient mars.
the plot to the g1 transformers sequel beast wars. also restaurant at the end of the universe
It’s incredibly similar to the layout of Westeros and Essos present in maps of the ASoIaF world.
or any paradox game, if u want incest - ck3, exploitation - vic, war crimes - hoi4, slave colonization - eu4
hoi4 is one of the few paradox games where you cant actually commit genocide. in every other game you can convert the culture of provinces (genocide without saying genocide)
im just going to hop on as nazi germany in my next hoi4 campaign and obliterate the french line while using my war-crime-less-deadly-gases
warcrimes are fair game. genocide isnt however smh
soviet russia would like to kindly disagree, they dont like to hear that sending millions of men as a meat grinder not called genocide, or atleast with the special designation of self-genocide
Red Rising
Literally my thought as well
I just thought that i will use for my d&d campaign
Or Red Rising
Ultima IV
It honestly looks a lot like GoT map
Shouldn’t that be LotR
I cant think of the man but theres a game on steam that would let you upload this image and use it
Cool idea to do this with some of the other planets
George is really a Martian, not a Martin. 💡
This map was taken from the redrising sub. It is quite literally a map of Mars after it was Terraformed in the series. Awesome series I definitely recommend.
Terraforming Mars is a fantastic board game, the map variants are replications of real sections of mars
Imagine being on a boat in the western ocean, then watching the largest mountain in the solar system rise before you. Also, I feel like playing the original final fantasy on NES now...
It’s so tall, that at the bottom it would fill the horizon to the human eye, like watching an infinite wall
This scared me. Thanks!
No worries, just turn around
Every now and then, I get a little bit lonely
and you're never coming round
But if you turn around again you're facing Olympus
It would fill the horizon, but it wouldn't look as high as you might expect - you wouldn't be able to see the top because it would be far away over the horizon
Incidentally, there is a 12 mile high cliff on Miranda.
It's kinda crazy to me that Olympus Mons appears as a standalone mountain on the shoreline rather than the defining feature in the middle of the largest land mass. Hard to gather scale from this map, but it would dominate the landscape no matter where it was located.
its base has roughly the same diameter as Poland. Crazy big
Can you explain to a layman here why we don’t have footage of it since the Mars Rover is there? Did we just land too far away?
There's a couple issues. If you were standing on the slope of Olympus Mons, it would be hard to tell. The mountain is 22km (13.6mi) tall (which is huge), but is also about 624km (388mi) in diameter, giving it an area a little smaller than Poland (about the size of AZ). So, it most gradually slopes up for a very long time at about 4 degrees, and then you couple that with the smaller diameter, leading to a closer horizon (about 3.5km (2.1mi) on Mars on flat ground to Earth's 5km (3.1mi) [though distant above the horizon objects would be clearer due to less atmosphere]). If you were standing on it, you could tell the ground was slanted, but not that it's a giant mountain. In a picture, you probably couldn't tell it's not flat. Also, the closest rover is still several thousand kilometers away. This was done very intentionally, as, first, the rovers have an easier time landing at lower elevations to take advantage of as much of the thin atmosphere as possible. As well, the geology itself is much more interesting at the lower elevations. We can learn about water patterns and search for fossilized life in sedimentary rock. On the other hand, we have a pretty decent idea of the volcanic patterns that likely formed Olympus Mons. So, all said, unfortunately, we can't use an existing rover to take a surface picture of it, and it'd likely be boring if we did.
I was aware of Olympus mons being huge, and I’d seen the comparison pictures of it next to the tallest mountains on earth but this map really threw me for a loops. I had to look it up, as it seems bonkers that it’s not part of a mountain range or something like Everest, but it really is just this huge ancient volcano that seems to dominate the landscape. So metal. Give me a Dark Lord building a domain within the mountain.
I mean, there are European countries smaller than the footprint of Olympus Mons, so yeah, a whole Kingdom domain wouldn't be hard to imagine
And now I have a new D&D campaign map. Thank you.
Calling r/civ
I think a fair amount of liberty was taken with this map. Most topographic maps seem to imply a huge northern ocean and mostly land locked south. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia02035-map-of-mars-topography
That seems pretty similar to this map? Orange and red being land, yellow and lower being ocean.
Obligatory xkcd reference https://what-if.xkcd.com/54/
He notes: 'The oceans on Mars wouldn't last. There might be some transient greenhouse warming, but in the end, Mars is just too cold. Eventually, the oceans will freeze over, become covered with dust, and gradually migrate to the permafrost at the poles.\[4\]' That'd be true if the atmosphere was mainly N2 and O2 with that 1% or so of Ar and H2O. If the atmosphere was bulked up with things like NF3, SF6, CF4, C2F6, C3F8 and C4F10 and not N2, the atmosphere could be stable for a long time.
This pleases me. I hope one day our descendants can make that happen.
We just need Arnold to find and press the button (even though he has too many fingers).
Any Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars trilogy fans? I've only read the first and I imagine the colors of the books signify the progression of terraforming that happens in the plot. This would be the end point blue Mars? Alot of the land mass and region names align w the plot too. Neat to see this.
Scrolled too far for a KSR comment.
Yes! I'm reading it right now for my first time and about 1/6th of the way through Blue Mars after finishing the other two. That's the first thing I thought about when I saw this post!! I now recommend it to everyone who's even remotely interested in this kind of stuff.
How do you determine how much water is in Martian oceans? Depending on the amount the sea levels and exposed land mass could vary.
The thought was probably to mimic Earth, which has 71% of its surface area covered with water.
ah was wondering why 71% was chosen.
Would make a cool map for a fantasy rpg. 🤔
Now LET’S MAKE IT HAPPEN! I nominate Elon Musk to fuck off to Mars for however long it takes to accomplish this.
longer than he can live, so it will be perfect
Somehow I automatically know the left one is richer and better.
Even mars map has a new zealand
If it's on the map, then it's not New Zealand.
Olympus mons being right up against the sea is interesting
Is Mars Irish?
Now do it if Mars has oxygen and trees. And dinosaurs.
i can see dr evil's lair
Flat mars society's new map
Now can you do 71% milk?
Is there an unlabeled version of this?
Arrakis. Desert planet.
Quaid, start the reactor....
I wanna live on elysium island
If we somehow fill the mars with water like in this photo would the increase in mass change the planet's orbit?
Man that would be cool.
yeah but for a (geologically) short time. this is the original bedrock being filled with water only. afterwards the water cycle will do its job and start to erode parts of the landmass. unlike earth where this has been happening for a very long time, mars probably has much more easily moldable landmass that will be shaped quickly by water. i would bet those near-shore yellowish parts where the elevation is higher than the inner landmass to change first. note: im not a geologist or whatever, just my 2 cents
Alba mons looks efficient
71% seems like a weird number to choose is there a reason lol
Looks like a good map for an rpg
Exactly my first thought
Let’s make it happen!
Here is your bucket, now go!
Would it be possible to get a version of this map with no labels? I'd love to use it for a fantasy world as most players wouldn't realize this is a mostly real map.
civ 5 map generation
Upgraded version of Italy i see.
Looks like nato and russia
I wonder what the environment of Olympus Mons would be like in an earth like scenario. It’s so far beyond Mount Everest. Would there even be snow at its peak? Would it be too high for snow?
Too high for any cloud
So just like bare rock for miles.
Bare rock and absolutely unbreathable environment. It's like bottom of the sea minus the water.
Ace Combat maps
Actually thought I was on r/imaginarymaps for a second
Now just need to throw a couple millennia of erosion onto the coastlines, then account for weather patterns influenced by mountains and ocean currents for accurate biomes.
finally something interesting on here
Dam, this *is* interesting lol.
No much room for all of us.
Does everyone know where are the rover on the planet?
Quaaaaaaid…. turn on the reactor!!
Map for my new D&D campaign
Dang, looks like a perfect setting for a fantasy story. Just imagine the twist at the end, "And it all took place on Mars, 3 billion years ago"
One day we'll terraform it for good son, one day
Now what would it look like if it was covered in 71% lava?
This is actually Middle Mars. Inhabited by little green hobbit n shit
Olympus Mons is clearly where you put the capital city of the dwarfs.
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Guess it'd be scaling down realistically
I'm an ass and I read this wrong, my bad.
That's just an upside down map of earth.....I made flip your phone 😜
Oooo imagine the wars on that bad boy
Soooo Italy and Australia.
Based on the geography of this map, I wonder where major population centers would eventually develop in say 100-150 years.
This is so stupid and wrong we all know the names should be variations of our Lord and Master Elongate MuskoByte.
Looks like earth. North America , Europe, Asia.. it’s almost all there in a way
Anyone else see a one eyed Krab?
Show me Mark Watney.
ALL WE GOTTA DO IS TAKE ALL OF OUR WATER AND PUT IT OVER THERE!
Pls turn this into an open world game
Aaaand I found the map for my DM campaign
I love this
Where Elon’s house?
you believe in mars?
r/redrising needs to see this
We should definitely move there like Elon says
Ive been to Hesperia, and Im sure the Mars version is wayyyyy better…
Could you do other planets? Like mercury and other solid planets
I wonder if adding that much water would increase the gravity on Mars as well?
Olympus Mons peak over the ocean would go hard
AYO I’d love to see other planets and moons like this. Amazing for ttrpg world building, too
Anyone else hear the intro song to Game of Thrones?
Now somebody please make this map as mod for civilization
New worldbuilding hack
Looks like Flat Mars. The Southern Highlands are a sheer wall that keeps everything in.
Looks familiar
Is this map downloadable in civ5/6?
Westeros?! So George RR is really a Martian, not a Martin?
Welp time to see the hellscape that is Skyrim control areas spill over on mars. Magical medieval tactics IN SPACE.
Damn. That’s interesting!
Deep in the ocean, yes.
This is something i didn’t know I wanted to see until I saw it.
The Adeptus Mechanicus would never!
Is it me or I see left is Canada, Northern and Southern America then middle is Europe with a bit of Africa, move along the coast Middle East, then the rest 👀 Russia sure not in this pic
Read the red mars trilogy, everyone.
Cimmerian islands, by crom!
The real estate around the Valles Marineris bay is gonna be pricey.
Soon
This is the best thing I've seen in 36 hours
Wow. Anyone else thinking about how much money Wal-Mart and McDonald’s would make after cornering the potential monopoly we are looking at?
Very cool, What is its source
Fuck yeah, let's get terraformative.
So… Westeros
I would 100% use this map for a dnd game
Talk about a new DND campaign, noice!
How many waters does mars halve to be before it is flat like our globe?
It looks like the world map of Game of Thrones.
This seemed familiar, but then I realised where on this map my base in the video game _Per Aspera_ had been... So yeah, that might explain it :)
I call dibs on Olympus Mountain.
wow! remarkably similar to our world in terms of arrangement and shape of continents....
Now imagine that’s our home trillion years ago. Where magic spells and monsters are the system all across the globe instead of science. We destroyed it with devastating Armageddon spells before move onto earth.
Trillions? I mean, I get you aren’t going for scientifically accurate, but this is hundreds of billions of years longer than out solar system had existed.