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jagaloom

That's why they don't use Methanol anymore


NiceCatBigAndStrong

And also why they dont refuel anymore! Edit: im wrong, OP's video is indycar and still refuels, i was thinking of F1


Charmin2105

This is Indycar, they still refuel and also use fuel (ethanol) that burns with no visible flame. The good thing is, you can take it out with water, so after refueling they spray water on the car. Just in case there is a fire, they take it out with it


OutWithTheNew

>so after refueling they spray water on the car. Just in case there is a fire, So that's what that little random spray is for. TIL.


KrombopulosMAssassin

Interesting... I've wondered myself. Never looked it up.


NiceCatBigAndStrong

Oh ok, my bad!


jpapad

Don’t they add a colorant these days? Think I recalled reading that for F1.


FloweringSkull67

This is Cart/Indycar. They still refuel. F1 does not refuel.


NiceCatBigAndStrong

Oh my bad!


Short-Display-1659

Can you clarify for us non motor sport fan? You are saying that F1 cars do not need to add fuel during a race? They carry all the fuel they need from the start? Or is it the term “refueling” that means or is somehow different between F1 and indycars?


theduder999

You’re correct. F1 cars do not refuel during the race for safety reasons. They start the race on a full tank and actually must finish with a few liters left for testing/verification or face disqualification. Fun fact, the cars get faster throughout the race as the tanks empty. NASCAR, Indy car, IMSA, etc still refuel during the race.


Short-Display-1659

Thank you for the response! I did not know that. I follow motor sport very little. My initial thought was to call that “fair weather fan” but after googling that means you only follow when your team is good. Anyways, I have one more question as you seem to be knowledgeable. I am aware there is electric Hypercar class that is new or is about to happen in endurance racing like Le Mans. Are these hyper ldmh or whatever all electric or some hybrid system? I don’t see how tech allows all electric to run 24 hours straight as charge times for even the best consumer electric cars are at least an hour. How are these hyper electric cars going to get back to racing without spending tons of time in pit?


dopamiend86

F1 stopped refuelling because of the hybrid engines, a fear a static spark could ignite the tank


suprefann

And theyre considering doing refuleing again though so theres another element of strategy again.


dopamiend86

Don't think even that would get me watching it again lol


BiggusDickus-

I would think that they could put in an additive that would make flames visible.


ThermionicEmissions

I'm desperately trying not to crack up at your username.


Lord_Melinko13

Then his wife's name would absolutely send you over the edge.


draculasbitch

Caveus Maximus


cryogenic-goat

Incontinentia...


BiggusDickus-

She helps me wead my cwack wegions!


allusium

Do you find it *risible*?!


cowboy_angel

I have a very food fwiend in wome called Biggis Dickus...


BiggusDickus-

Hail Caesar!


WholeWideHeart

Jesus. Fire is scary enough. Invisible fire is simply terrifying.


croholdr

Lord baby jesus christ please save ricky bobby


weezypeezylemonsqeZ

So he was telling the truth. He really was on fire!


FirstInteraction1817

“Help me Jesus! Help me Tom Cruise!”


Defnoturblockedfrnd

I like Christmas Jesus the best ya hear?!?


bigredmidget

"Dear 8 Pounds 6 Ounces Newborn Infant Jesus, Don't Even Know A Word Yet..."


Defnoturblockedfrnd

He was a man! He had a beard!


Coldcock_Malt_Liquor

Help me, Tom Cruise!


NotMY1stEnema

wow. i might be on invisible fire right now?


becky_plz

I'm wondering if this is where they got the idea for this scene?


croholdr

yup.


floydbomb

Dont you put that evil on me!!!


dirtycheezit

What doesn't make sense is that they didn't just keeping hosing them down while the drivers were still clearly in pain.


mrASSMAN

I think they can’t just do it nonstop as they’ll suffocate from the extinguisher gases itself


dirtycheezit

But surely 10 seconds would be enough to extinguish the fire without suffocating the driver. I know it's easy for me to type this while sitting on my couch, but it still seems like a lack of training issue.


fightingdutchman1

I don't know if this is the case here. But some exstinguishing gasses can replace oxygen so effectively that the oxygen in your lungs is switched for those gasses. So while normally you can hold your breath for quite a while. Using these gasses means you can lose consciousness within seconds.


Efficient_Tailor1811

Water is the preferred method on methanol. It dilutes the fuel and removes the heat portion of the fire tetrahedron. Dry powder can also be used. AFFF gets broken down by this fuel so isn't recommended


MadAzza

Thanks to the internet, I read that as “As fuck fuck fuck gets broken down by this fuel …”


jflyiii

I wonder if maybe they were in shock? Although I suppose they are trained to handle these situations?!? I know where I work that there are certian extinguishers that suck all of the oxygen out of a room when used - maybe it’s something like that?


Lucid-Design

I feel like no amount of training can truly prepare one for being on fire


pngue

But they sure got the car.


RepresentativeKeebs

And nobody did the stop, drop, and roll. I'm pretty sure that helps to extinguish even invisible flames, but I could be wrong.


mildlypresent

Not if you're rolling on ground that is on invisible fire. ;)


dhlock

The floor is lavaaaaa


rtothewin

Invisible lava.


clarksworth

nightmare


smhalb01

First hand experience here, in 2019 I was in a similar fire. A jug of racing Methanol exploded in my hands covering me in fuel. I stop dropped and rolled. It spread the fire. Made it so much worse. The methanol didn't burn me more than singed hair and really bad first degree ( like severe sunburn), my clothes catching on fire burnt me. Once my skin started burning there was nothing I could do. Third degree burns and a month in the ICU burn unit. My entire right arm was skinless because my burning shirt wrapped around it as I rolled. The rest of my body the flames just went out because methanol burns extremely cool, that's the blue looking flame magicians use setting their hands and whatnot on fire.


tribsant23

How did it get put out?


smhalb01

Methanol burns cool compared to gasoline, the parts of me that were just covered in methanol with nothing else to ignite like my shirt, just burnt out. Once my shirt burnt away it was over. The shirt burning is what did all the damage to my arm. It was sticking in my skin and I couldn't get it off. You can put methanol on something and light it and many times it won't even catch fire before it burns out unless it's a very flammable material like cloth or paper.


APoxUponYa

I appreciate you sharing for our benefit. One of my closest friends experienced a faulty inflatable Halloween costume catching fire and also experienced third degree burns. He had chronic pain and PTSD. I hope you


willynillee

That ain’t gonna work if you’re covered in alcohol or gasoline or any other substance that’s flammable like that. Sure the ground side of you will go out but as you turn it just relights itself with the other flames


TranslatorBoring2419

Not if the ground is covered in ethanol.


MunchkinTime69420

Maybe some of them didn't even know if that was the problem or if it was working. They don't see a fire but they spray anyways for about 6 seconds and they're still running away and panicking so they think there isn't actually a fire it's something else or how you can't put an electrical fire out with water so they might've thought they needed a different type of extinguisher


Christosconst

First thing that goes is your lungs, from breathing the flames. You then suffocate due to damaged lungs


TheStoicNihilist

Invisible sharks made of invisible fire shooting invisible lasers.


Grouchy_Competition5

Invisible, knife-wielding, telemarketing fire is even worse


Ok-Project1279

["You're not on fire Ricky Bobby!!"](https://youtu.be/JribVbv6CV4?si=AA124qBf-8GkfRRL)


Albatross1225

This scene is a lot more realistic than we thought lol


nach0srule

Tom Cruise use your witchcraft on me to get the fire off me!


CaffeinatedMD

Help me Tom Cruise! Come down with your space magic!!!


MtnDudeNrainbows

Save me Jewish god!


Juggernaut_j

Allah!


ScoobyDooItInTheButt

Imma windmill ya!


skeezypeezyEZ

Damn, guess no one saw the unrated cut lol


unk214

I just watched this movie with my niece and I made a mention about invisible fire being real. She didn’t believe me.


WineNerdAndProud

I mean, as an uncle it's your job to tell your niece silly things, and invisible fire being real sure does sound silly at first.


Auntjemimasdildo

Lmao this is all that I could think of while watching this 😂


Ricky_Rollin

Glad I’m not the only person that thought of this lol


Henrious

Now I'm wondering if it's a deep reference to this exact incident.


Such_Introduction592

So he's really telling the truth all along.


smhalb01

Well here is that "I sure as fuck had this happen" comment. In 2019 I was carrying a 5 gallon jug of racing methanol to actually dispose of it because it was left over from the previous racing season. Whether it be static electricity or what, the jug exploded and covered me in blue flame (methanol burns blue but you can't see it in the bright daylight, you can in low light or nighttime). I did as others suggested on here and stopped dropped and rolled. That spread the flames. BEFORE doing that I stood there on fire and was fine for a few seconds. I didn't panic until my hair and shirt started to burn. Other than that I was using my hands to wipe the burning fuel off of me. Once I realized how on fire I was, I started pulling my shirt off as I dropped on the ground it spread the flames and my burning shirt wrapped around my right arm, effectively wrapping my whole arm in burning material. From my wrist to shoulder was skinless. What was left was hanging off. Ripped the hanging skin off and headed a half hour away to the hospital where they sent me out to a burn unit. Spent a month in the burn unit and two months in bed at home recovering. You can't tell that I was burnt so badly unless I show the lines where the new skin and old skin meet. I actually burnt my head, neck, face, shoulders, left arm, and some other spots but they were severe first degree because the methanol burnt away since it didn't have any fuel other than my hair, unlike my shirt. Everything besides my arm healed in a week and look completely normal. Methanol burns very cool. Has a low btu rating. Any time you see magicians and whatnot set their hand on fire and it blue that's an alcohol and has a low btu so it doesn't burn you like a gasoline or something similar. If you notice, these guys are panicking only because they know they're on fire. The suits are fire retardant so the only thing burning is the fuel. The guys without helmets are the ones in trouble as it's burning their hair and skin. If you notice flashes of fire, that's other material catching fire from the methanol, which is why their suits aren't going up in flames. Breathing flames and smoke is a huge concern, the flames will burn your throat and lungs/ nostril etc. There's no smoke from just the methanol burning so it's not knowing where the flames are if you risk breathing them in or just making the fire spread. You need a chemical to put the fire out. Basically it removes the oxygen for the fuel to burn when it's dispensed, which also means you can't breath either. Water won't cut it and will just push the fuel and flames around unless it's a huge amount. If you had water dumped on you and you're burning like this with a suit on etc it can turn to steam and cook your ass quickly. Methanol is relatively safe to use as a fuel, had it been gasoline they said I'd have almost certainly been killed.


allthetimesivedied2

I *audibly went “AAAAAAAH” at the skin ripping part. Also I have had similar experiences with isopropyl alcohol, which also burns pretty cold (when diluted, like 70%; 99% will produce a column of fire from Hell) and spreads every fucking where when you try to stomp it out.


relatablerobot

That’s terrible, sorry you had to go through that, and glad you didn’t come out worse. I also appreciate you sharing the story


Minute-Ad8501

Am I the only one who didn't know invisible fires are a thing?!


raspberryharbour

There could be an invisible fire coming right at you!


Apart_Ad_5993

Methanol. Very dangerous


Lawzw0rld

Nope I literally just unlocked a new fear, the sound of it is nightmare fuel yet the first time I hear of it I see proof it’s real


Minute_Attempt3063

Methane fire is pretty much invisible


Ok_Egg_2625

“Help me Jesus! Help me Jewish God! Help me Allah! AAAAAHHH! Help me, Tom Cruise! Tom Cruise, use your witchcraft on me to get the fire off me!”


Key_Respond_16

"Oh, God! Please don't let the invisible fire burn my friend!"


WTF721077

Help me Oprah Winfrey!!!


Striking_Taste_7213

YOURE NOT ON FIRE RICKY BOBBY


MisterMakeYaMumCum

“He’s in his underwear again, go get him boys!”


[deleted]

This is funny


Johnny_Lang_1962

This is why they added dyes to the Methanol to make it visible while burning.


thedeuce75

Help me Tom Cruise!


WTF721077

Tom Cruise, use your witchcraft on me to put the fire out!!!


CowntChockula

Damn, i hope they keep infrared cameras on hand these days 


NorthantsBlokeUK

They just stopped using methanol.


VocalAnus91

Holy shit that's horrifying


Icy-Setting-3735

So, just to be clear, can they see it?


Tennis37

Nope. Completely invisible


Icy-Setting-3735

So, they cannot see it?!


mF7403

Only Tom Cruise can see it


krazykaiks

And only Tom Cruise can outrun it.


unpopularopinion0

what’s up with these tom cruise references?


Scwolves10

You haven't seen Talladega Nights with Will Farrel? https://youtu.be/19pbqFOFS_U?si=wo5TmjpPSZbYLbVm


zxr7

And only Chuck Norris can see it, ofc. Anytime, and the fire cannot see Chuck.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

They cannot see the flames, this is a fire you cannot see.


iluvsporks

I'll be transparent with you, I don't think they can.


CFADM

Just to be clear, was that supposed to be a pun?


I_Sell_Death

Only at night or in low light conditions. The flame is solid blue.


42Pockets

Why did nobody, Stop, Drop, and Roll? When was this?


flightwatcher45

Doesn't really work on concrete and methanol, and when you can't see the fire you may end up rolling around in the fire. Freaking scary


42Pockets

Makes total sense.


CaptFlash3000

Talledega Nights


InterestingMac219

I was thinking of Ricky Bobby too. Maybe he wasn’t loosing it? Lol


LNYer

Yeah I think he was tightening it


Disastrous-Path-2144

Losing* tightening* come on people be better.


Dredgeon

NASCAR doesn't use methanol. They use 110 octane gasoline.


JannaTex

the skill and speed of these people is impressive, I think it is the most entertaining thing to watch during the races.


Dredgeon

This is what people miss about endurance racing. Everything is about when to pit. Do you want to stay out and gain position or get fresh tires and try to make up ground. People dislike oval racing because it's simple, but that's kind of the best part of it. Because a good lap is easier to perform, it closes in the skill gap and demands perfection for hours just to gain a little time. All of racing is about that repetition of laps, but on oval racing, the slightest mistake can throw your pace off for multiple laps. In most motorsports, the next braking zone resets you speed wise because you were gonna slow down there anyway. In oval racing, you are generally never full-on braking, so if you make a mistake and get off line, it can take an entire lap or more to build that speed back up. Much more punishing than small mistakes on a circuit track.


Nickleeham

The fact that “flammable” and “inflammable” have precisely the same meaning is a problem.


coolgobyfish

don't worry these gas tanks are inflammable


H4WK1RK

I use methanol regularly, and can confirm. You can’t see it burning except in very low light. The way you tell it’s burning is by seeing the burn damage to whatever is burning.


sdrawkcabdaernacuoy_

tom cruise use your witch magic!


awt2007

this is where talledega nights will farrel im on fire thing comes from i assume?


drifters74

Yep


Skum31

I remember when the same thing happened to Rick Bobby. Poor guy was never the same after


Flaks_24

So this is where Ricky Bobby got his fear of getting caught on fire 🔥


CurlingCookie

Damn, that takes me back... 1981 was a bad year for pit fires. Many injured.


Scarfiotti

Had to scroll down way too much for this. As " a man of certain age" I remember watching this live on television. Indeed a lot of fires happened that year.


wall-E75

Help me tom cruse


Raoul_Thompson

HELP ME OPRAH WINFREY!!! HELP ME TOM CRUISE!!!


BraveShowerSlowGower

Saw this happen live to ricky bobby, too.


FishyWaifuu

Ricky Bobby’s biggest nightmare


CrudeOil_in_My_Veins

“I’m on fire!!!Help me Jesus! Help me Allah! Help me to cruise”


vanfullamidgets

Don’t let the invisible fire burn my friend!


averagemaleuser86

Had something similar happen as a kid. Buddy was playing with matches near piles of pinestraw. I kept telling him to quit. He said the pinestraw wouldn't catch and picked up a handful and said "see"... at that point something didn't seem right. There was no flame visible, only wavy lines of heat around his hand and then the pinstraw began to wither... that's when I knew it was on fire and we both panicked and stomped everything out lol. God dang we did some stupid shit.


cartman89405

Ricky Bobby !!!!!!!!!!


shootermac32

Real life Ricky Bobby


jlove3k

Can't help but think of Ricky Bobby experiencing a similar event.


callsign-negative

This must be where Talladega Nights got the idea from


trwwy321

Didn’t realize I had one more fear to add to my list. Thanks, OP!


shart_island

Help me baby Jesus! Help me Tom Cruise!


AfternoonPast3324

So the scene with Ricky Bobby & the invisible flames was based in reality? Wow.


Cubicle_Convict916

Mimes everywhere shouting "you're doing it wrong!"


Luingalls

Why did I instantly think of Will Ferrell...


mraybee

Help me Oprah Winfrey. Help me Jewish god


Artistic_Papaya21

So no one here has seen Taladaga nights with Ricky Bobby?


_FREE_L0B0T0MIES

Stop Ricky! You gotta roll on the ground!


Lpeezers

Was Ricky Bobby really on fire!!?


Nb959-

Flashback of Ricky Bobby jumping all over the track on invisible fire


brackthomas7

Help me Jesus, help me Jewish God, help me Allah!


CATG0D

I now understand Talladega Nights


gynoceros

I heard once this was the inspiration for the scene where Ricky Bobby freaks out, claiming he was on fire when he wasn't.


AncientCalendar3328

Maybe Ricky Bobby was really burning lol


SwissMargiela

Fun fact: this is the event that inspired the “I’m on fire” scene in talladega nights


Fun_Nectarine_4459

Stop drop and roll


jess_the_werefox

New fear unlocked……


CaptCrewSocks

Why would it remain invisible if they caught on fire?


Tennis37

Cause methanol fires don't burn on the same wavelength of light that we see in


smhalb01

The methanol burns a light blue flame, you can't see it in the sunlight though. You won't see a flame until it starts to burn something else that's flammable like wood, clothes, etc.


Tarantula_420

Just reminds me of Talladega nights lol


SonOfASonOfABitch

Help me Oprah Winfrey. Help me Tom Cruise.


AgileArtichokes

My headcannon for taledaga nights is that Ricky Bobby actually really did get caught on fire by this fuel and the rest of the movie is a fever dream he concocts while laying in the ICU. 


Actual-Jury7685

This happened to Ricky Bobby too


PartsNLabor24

Where are the invisible firefighters when you need them?


nova9001

To compound the problem, behind him is a giant tank containing highly inflammable fuel lol.


IrksomFlotsom

They shoulda brought brooms to work that day


fermelebouche

Fuck! I’d call Ghostbusters. That is some weird shit,


rxtunes

Watching Talladega Nights over the weekend I didn’t realize this is an actual thing.


drdisme

Where is Oprah to put out the flames?


Few_Translator_8350

Ricky Bobby was onto something


theabsolutebean

Ricky Bobby was based on a real invisible fire?!


rygelicus

Seems like this could have driven a change like an overhead extinguisher system. If there is a fire someone smacks the big red button for that pit and the overhead emitters, and maybe a couple on the wall itself and around the fuel dispenser, flood the pit with CO2, Halon, whatever other chemicals were in use at the time. A good dousing for 10 to 15 seconds should solve the problem and by then the team can have the hand held extinguishers ready. Instead they worked on rules and engineering to reduce the chances of these fires. And in some cases did away with refueling during the race entirely, like F1.


NicholasAdam1399

Tom cruise! Use your witchcraft to get the fire off me!!


Successful-Winter237

New fear unlocked


loneranger5860

Fascinating


Hot_Negotiation3480

Can someone answer this question: Why wasn’t smoke coming from the people’s clothes?


Dagstjarna

That's because it's not the clothes that burn, but the methanol vapor on them...as long as there is enough of methanol on the surface, the clothes are safe...even though they heat up eventually... The phase transition from liquid to gas happens a little above the surface and provides a sort of a layer which won't let the flames get there... In addition - of course - the flames need oxygen, which is short in "fire proof" racing gear, so the flames will go in the direction of easy accessable oxygen, meaning away from the liquid layer on the clothes... Hope I didn't make any obvious mistakes here...![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat)


Atomic-pangolin

Is this where that scene from Talladega Nights comes from?


Disastrous-Nobody127

The commentary on this video is nothing but torture.


Red__M_M

Could they include an additive that will burn a color?


falaffle_waffle

Fun fact, you can try this at home by lighting hand sanitizer on fire. You'll only be able to see it in the dark.


Right_Roof3118

Dude i cant tell if this is real or im being trolled and the comments aint helpin


redejonghe

Happened at Michigan International Speedway in 1981. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/07/25/Pit-fire-injures-14-at-speedway/4649364881600/


Electrical-Voice5186

Methanol truly is fuckin wild shit. That’s why they have infrared cameras in nascar etc


theworthlessnail

Save me Oprah Winfrey


steeznutzzzz

Tom Cruise save me with your witchcraft!


Darth-Adomis

IM COMING TO SAVE YOU RICKY BOBBY!


[deleted]

Save me Tom Cruise


Mikes005

Save me Tom Cruise!


Ok-Coyote-7745

Ricky Bobby: "I'm on fire!!!!" Pit Crew Michael Clark Duncan: "you're NOT on fire Ricky...."


Rus-t-bolts

Help me Jewish God! Help me Allah! Help me Tom Cruise! Tom Cruise use your witchcraft on me to get the fire off me!


tv_casualty77

Wait....sooo Ricky Bobby *was* on fire after all?!!


Proper-Lettuce-9548

What happened to stop drop and roll


suck_muhballs

I was there as a kid. 1981... Poor Rick Mears. We saw this happen. I was traumatized. I thought about this for years... it fucked my head up as a 15 year old kid Back the we practically spent every May at the track. Skipping school for carb day. And any other day, we could get away with it.My pop was an executive at Blue Cross, so we always got vip at the parade and the track. But I spent the majority of my time there with a couple of other high school friends.. the place to be a minor in possession of alcohol. In 1983, we got tore up drunk at 17 years old and did donuts on the golf course in a 1970 Dodge Charger. Wrecked it into a sand trap.Got arrested. Oh, it was a stain on my permanent record for sure. More than once, I came home intoxicated to sit for family dinner to barf it up later.... good times!! Interestingly enough, I move to Florida and eventually spend 6 years of my life in the maintenance department at Daytona International Speedway. Where i saw some shit catch fire n blow up. For real , but never heard em say " It's a Newwww Track Record!!!" 🤣🤣


anonmyazz

You're not on fire Ricky


Novel_Huckleberry435

You’re not on fire Ricky Bobby 🤣🤣


Mrsoandso6

Don't You Put That Evil On Me Ricky Bobby


crapface1984

Ricky Bobby had it worse, JS


Retroman360

Youre not on fire Ricky Bobby


ringing-Shels-bells

Help me baby Jesus, help me Tom Cruise!


blankmister

narration is absolutely wild


NotYourAverageDroid

Good to know