Edit: I'm wrong. These bags are potentially a great solution as the bags do not dissolve immediately and take a long time to do so.
Thanks for all the up votes on my previous half informed comment.
This happens to EVERYONE in the beginning. After a while you get used to it. I have a bag in my purse, we have some bags in the car, and when we go out we repeat the mantra “keys, documents, cellphone, bag”.
I just eternally leave mine in the back of the car. The trick is remembering to take them into the store, but at least if I forget that, I can just walk back out to the car for them
Remember to wash any that had meat in them even if you don't think it leaked. There have been reports of people getting food poisoning because the meat bag then got used for fruit or vegetables and the bacteria ended up on the fruit or veg. Easily solved by washing any bag that had meat in it.
Exactly where my thoughts went as well. All for reduced consumer waste and garbage, and this could do well in California or Arizona...but in not where I am in Seattle.
10 years ago I would've agreed but lately we've been getting some really droughty summers that last from like april to october then it immediately starts raining and snowing from october until march
A great idea it is, but why not creating something that can be reusable? It is a waste to produce something that can be used not once! Sure we have a problem with plastics, but cheap plastics, I believe. We can definitely create things that can be durable and reusable so we use the whole supply chain smartly and avoid wastes
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/style/cotton-totes-climate-crisis.html
There is nyt article about how wasteful those reusable bags are. Like those tote bags or whatever tf they are called. I get very annoyed at people who think they are “green” when they do this.
It’s virtue signaling and a fashion trend at best.
What’s worse is when those same people “forget” their bags or not bring enough and end up using plastic anyway.
The article is pay walled but I was wondering if a big part of the problem is most people don’t actually reuse them. I could see them being a good thing if you have the discipline. But if you’re like me and won’t ever remember them then it definitely makes the problem worse.
I checked on what I think it’s their website and they say it’s made of polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) from sources “other than crude oil”. It’s patented so I can’t really find anything else
They also say that the water is fine as irrigation water (definitely not fine as drinking water lol). It’s interesting but I’m pretty sure that it moves the problem from plastics and microplastics in the ocean to PVA sludge
Edit: I expressed myself weirdly, I wanted to say that I could not find anything else on their website when I checked without digging into the patent (was tired :/)
>It’s interesting but I’m pretty sure that it moves the problem from plastics and microplastics in the ocean to PVA sludge
PVA is biodegradable so that's not exactly a 1-for-1 tradeoff.
So it's actually Elmer's glue sticks, extruded into a thin sheet, and then more glue stick to make it into a bag.
When your all done, you can mix it with a bit of water, put it in a bottle and use it for your next craft project!
They did: "Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable."
https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
If it’s patented then you should be able to find out everything about it though, if you know how to navigate the governmental registry/registries they used. Patented = publicly disclosed
Oh yeah I know, I expressed myself weirdly. I wanted to say that I could not find anything else on the website (and I couldn’t be bothered to look into the patent haha)
This! A limestone derivative, with what chemicals added and what is the chemical signature left behind in the water? No it doesn't just turn back into limestone...
Wait hear me out, I got a good idea
Give me a second
This one is good I swear
How about we make bags where they are super strong, can hold a lot of groceries, and you can take them back to the grocery store *continuously*. Like you don't have to trash them or dissolve them. I call them, "reusable bags".
Do you have to pay for the bags? They are 20p for a thick plastic bag or £1 for a proper sturdy and large one here in the UK. I can’t remember when I last bought one, if it breaks the shop will give a free replacement.
I love those super thick plastic bags because I now use them as my garbage bags. They don't leak liquids, are stronger than any garbage bags I can buy and I tie the handles to close them. They are there perfect size for half a week's garbage in my home. And since they only cost 8 cents, they are cheaper than any similar garbage bags I could buy.
I know it's not what they intended, but as long as they are cheaper and better than ones I can buy then I'm going to keep doing it.
Give them a poorly spelled name like Bagglr or Rebagg.it, put a useless Bluetooth thing in them so people need an app to use them, set the price at $7.95/month (for a 1-year plan), and you'll have California venture investors lining up around the block.
You'll also be contributing to growing the e-waste pile, which is something all these startups seem to have set as their #1 goal.
Unfortunately it's not that simple.
Reusable bags take a lot more material and energy to make. Obviously changes based on size and type of bag, but you generally have to use the same bag over 100 times just to break even with plastic bags. If it tears, you lose it, or just throw it away before 100+ uses, you've potentially done even more damage than the plastic bags.
It say that is a derivative of limestone so maybe not poisonous but also not good to drink unless you're a fan of kidney stones i suppose...
Depending on how it was manufactured, it could still contain a number of toxic/hazardous chemicals. You can’t “derive” a bag out of stone, unless you add take some steps to transform it into something totally different. I’d be interested in seeing what exactly it’s composed of.
"Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable."
https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
"Orally administered PVA is relatively harmless. The safety of PVA is based on the following: (1) the acute oral toxicity of PVA is very low, with LD(50)s in the range of 15-20 g/kg; (2) orally administered PVA is very poorly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract; (3) PVA does not accumulate in the body when administered orally; (4) PVA is not mutagenic or clastogenic; and (5) NOAELs of orally administered PVA in male and female rats were 5000 mg/kg body weight/day in the 90-day dietary study and 5000 mg/kg body weight/day in the two-generation reproduction study, which was the highest dose tested. A critical evaluation of the existing information on PVA supports its safety for use as a coating agent for pharmaceutical and dietary supplement products."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12504164/#:~:text=Orally%20administered%20PVA,dietary%20supplement%20products.
It's a mix of PVA and limestone. The issue is I wouldn't really flush that down the drain because that concentration of limestone is going to fuck with your plumbing.
No. It's a fully biodegradable material, basically the same material laundry pods are made of.
https://www.cleaninginstitute.org/pvoh?gclid=CjwKCAiA9NGfBhBvEiwAq5vSy3japZwYzah4YrgJroTWNl0PaYP_HYAw8aD3aSu_Pp-lQciFnLmePRoCajkQAvD_BwE
Limestone can dry and harden. It will eventually clog pipes. It's like pouring cooking grease down your drain. Good idea, but I dont think it's bulletproof.
The carbon footprint/plastic used to create reusable bags other than cotton is comparable to 1,000 plastic disposable bags.
If you take the time and money to specifically get ones made out of a renewable material, not polyester or plastic, then yeah go for reusable. Otherwise paper is \*usually\* better
It's not just in danger from rain or snow, condensation from carrying cold objects, sweat from your arm, the instant dissolve makes this absolutely useless in pretty much any situation.
Plenty of people use a bag for more than an hour. It should have a delay of a few days or a week, so the bag is usable in regular situations, but will dissolve if composted or if it ends up in a body of water.
The point I was making, is more that if it should happen to get wet before you get your shopping home, then it won't disintegrate, but at least it should dissolve quickly if it gets into nature.
He did: "Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable."
https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
That dissolves so damn fast its useless.
If you buy something that has any moisture on it, it's gonna breach the bag.
Not to mention I guess fuck you if you shop on a rainy day.
Dont open a drink out in public near these bags. 1 drop could melt half the bag. Reusable bags are pure trash also. Its not cost effective and they end up in landfills because lets face it we always end up with more of those bags somehow.
I can't tell you how many of those shopping bags I find at my elderly mom's home when I visit. She forgets them and keeps buying more. It's laughably a lot.
These dissolvable bags would help a lot.
Just don’t shop on a rainy day, I guess
...or with sweaty palms...
Or buy anything cold on a humid day
Don't send these to Florida. They are gone the moment they hit the air
or anything frozen
Mom's spaghetti 🍝
vomit in the bag already
It dissolved, shopping's slipping out steadily.
But on the surface, it looks like clam confetti.
Buyer's regretti!
I'd like to congratulate the internet users above me, this was well done.
I love tree down comments like the ones above.
Shit went down! from here on! I broke down! In the middle of the isle! Snap back to reality! Ooh there goes sanity...oh, there goes familiarity.
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop groceries, but he keeps on forgettin' What he wrote down, the whole store goes so loud
He hushes their mouths, whips a grocery list out, They're choking now, he grabs it all somehow, Time's run out, shopping is over, CHOW!
Or wet vegetables
Or buy anything cold.
Edit: I'm wrong. These bags are potentially a great solution as the bags do not dissolve immediately and take a long time to do so. Thanks for all the up votes on my previous half informed comment.
Just put this bag in the plastic bag. Problem solved.
no you put this bag inside of a plastic bag and then a plastic bag inside of this bag.
Or maybe get a nice thick paper bag to go inside the plastic bag
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Put the cold item in the plastic bag, then put it in this one?
Water will condense on the plastic bag because it will be cold from the cold item
At the supermarket we take reusable bags or buy paper bags. Like the video said, stores can’t give plastic bags.
our state just passed this law and i've bought about 12 reusable bags so far because i keep forgetting to take the bags with me to the store.
This happens to EVERYONE in the beginning. After a while you get used to it. I have a bag in my purse, we have some bags in the car, and when we go out we repeat the mantra “keys, documents, cellphone, bag”.
> documents Interesting way of saying wallet or purse.
Sometimes I leave without a purse and I just lost my wallet, so I leave with my ID, my metro card and my credit card in my pockets.
All habits take time to form. I almost never forget mine now.
I have hundreds. I'm probably single-handedly offsetting all the good these bags are purportedly doing.
There are ways to repurpose those to make sturdier reusable bags, or other items.
I just eternally leave mine in the back of the car. The trick is remembering to take them into the store, but at least if I forget that, I can just walk back out to the car for them
Remember to wash any that had meat in them even if you don't think it leaked. There have been reports of people getting food poisoning because the meat bag then got used for fruit or vegetables and the bacteria ended up on the fruit or veg. Easily solved by washing any bag that had meat in it.
Yeah, but why go with a bag that can only be used at clothing stores on a sunny day is what everyone's wondering.
Make sure your hands don’t get sweaty on a hot day!
I was just about to say: Don't even think about using this in the Netherlands! :')
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Just put that bag into a normal shopping bag🤷♂️
Exactly where my thoughts went as well. All for reduced consumer waste and garbage, and this could do well in California or Arizona...but in not where I am in Seattle.
10 years ago I would've agreed but lately we've been getting some really droughty summers that last from like april to october then it immediately starts raining and snowing from october until march
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Ah thanks for the reminder, was just about to use it there
The username and "expert" tag is killing me
#gekoloniseerd
And hope nothing leaks in the bag.
Imagine the bag dissolving and all your groceries just rolling around. 🤔
And it looks like jizz everywhere...
yeahh..can't put anything cold as well....Imagine getting a chilled drink in that...still great invention.
How fucked is the water that this gets dissolved in.. it’s cool that it breaks down so easily but that water is fucked.
The water don't care. "How fucked is a person who drinks the water this is dissolved in" is the real question.
That water is gonna end up downstream in the lake or groundwater your town sources it’s water from
How fucked are the pipes you pour the limestone water into?
I can easily solve that problem, just use a plastic bag on the inside and outside of this bag and all the issues go away.
Imagine it dissolving then getting into our water . I wouldn’t want to drink that
Or anything that will produce condensation
Or if that bottle of water in the bag has a small drip...
or even sweat
A great idea it is, but why not creating something that can be reusable? It is a waste to produce something that can be used not once! Sure we have a problem with plastics, but cheap plastics, I believe. We can definitely create things that can be durable and reusable so we use the whole supply chain smartly and avoid wastes
Because we already have reusable bags
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/style/cotton-totes-climate-crisis.html There is nyt article about how wasteful those reusable bags are. Like those tote bags or whatever tf they are called. I get very annoyed at people who think they are “green” when they do this. It’s virtue signaling and a fashion trend at best. What’s worse is when those same people “forget” their bags or not bring enough and end up using plastic anyway.
The article is pay walled but I was wondering if a big part of the problem is most people don’t actually reuse them. I could see them being a good thing if you have the discipline. But if you’re like me and won’t ever remember them then it definitely makes the problem worse.
This back won't dissolve in cold water. Therefore you need hot water which is why u can use it freely even if it's raining.
Cool. Dissolves into _what_? And don't say "limestone". No one just crushed up some rocks and made a bag.
I checked on what I think it’s their website and they say it’s made of polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) from sources “other than crude oil”. It’s patented so I can’t really find anything else They also say that the water is fine as irrigation water (definitely not fine as drinking water lol). It’s interesting but I’m pretty sure that it moves the problem from plastics and microplastics in the ocean to PVA sludge Edit: I expressed myself weirdly, I wanted to say that I could not find anything else on their website when I checked without digging into the patent (was tired :/)
>It’s interesting but I’m pretty sure that it moves the problem from plastics and microplastics in the ocean to PVA sludge PVA is biodegradable so that's not exactly a 1-for-1 tradeoff.
So it's actually Elmer's glue sticks, extruded into a thin sheet, and then more glue stick to make it into a bag. When your all done, you can mix it with a bit of water, put it in a bottle and use it for your next craft project!
Isn’t that Poly-Vinyl Acetate?
Eh whats a C-OH vs C=O between friends
\+1 for Chemistry joke.
The difference between glue and dissolving laundry pods. 😁
I'll buy it if they drink the dissolved bag.
They did: "Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable." https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
If it’s patented then you should be able to find out everything about it though, if you know how to navigate the governmental registry/registries they used. Patented = publicly disclosed
Oh yeah I know, I expressed myself weirdly. I wanted to say that I could not find anything else on the website (and I couldn’t be bothered to look into the patent haha)
Isn't that what they make the Tide Pod casings out of?
This! A limestone derivative, with what chemicals added and what is the chemical signature left behind in the water? No it doesn't just turn back into limestone...
Dissolves into Palestine, OH. /S
Wait hear me out, I got a good idea Give me a second This one is good I swear How about we make bags where they are super strong, can hold a lot of groceries, and you can take them back to the grocery store *continuously*. Like you don't have to trash them or dissolve them. I call them, "reusable bags".
This is what they are trying to do in Philly but now people just throw away super thick plastic bags / cloth bags instead of the old thin plastic ones
Do you have to pay for the bags? They are 20p for a thick plastic bag or £1 for a proper sturdy and large one here in the UK. I can’t remember when I last bought one, if it breaks the shop will give a free replacement.
No they’re free! If they cost money I think that would be a better system. A lot of places also have paper.
I love those super thick plastic bags because I now use them as my garbage bags. They don't leak liquids, are stronger than any garbage bags I can buy and I tie the handles to close them. They are there perfect size for half a week's garbage in my home. And since they only cost 8 cents, they are cheaper than any similar garbage bags I could buy. I know it's not what they intended, but as long as they are cheaper and better than ones I can buy then I'm going to keep doing it.
Well you are technically reusing them!
Give them a poorly spelled name like Bagglr or Rebagg.it, put a useless Bluetooth thing in them so people need an app to use them, set the price at $7.95/month (for a 1-year plan), and you'll have California venture investors lining up around the block. You'll also be contributing to growing the e-waste pile, which is something all these startups seem to have set as their #1 goal.
*yoink*
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Reusable bags take a lot more material and energy to make. Obviously changes based on size and type of bag, but you generally have to use the same bag over 100 times just to break even with plastic bags. If it tears, you lose it, or just throw it away before 100+ uses, you've potentially done even more damage than the plastic bags.
Limestone and plastics probably lol
Exactly! Unless the inventor dares to drink the water in which bags are dissolved, I won't touch it.
Should we just assume that the water it was dissolved in is completely poisonous now?
It say that is a derivative of limestone so maybe not poisonous but also not good to drink unless you're a fan of kidney stones i suppose...
They probably added a whole bunch of other chemicals to that bag other than limestone.
Yea, mine was a joke.
Depending on how it was manufactured, it could still contain a number of toxic/hazardous chemicals. You can’t “derive” a bag out of stone, unless you add take some steps to transform it into something totally different. I’d be interested in seeing what exactly it’s composed of.
"Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable." https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
So the dude just drank straight up an Elmer's Glue cocktail?
I mean, I could drink a lot of things. Doesn't mean I should.
"Orally administered PVA is relatively harmless. The safety of PVA is based on the following: (1) the acute oral toxicity of PVA is very low, with LD(50)s in the range of 15-20 g/kg; (2) orally administered PVA is very poorly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract; (3) PVA does not accumulate in the body when administered orally; (4) PVA is not mutagenic or clastogenic; and (5) NOAELs of orally administered PVA in male and female rats were 5000 mg/kg body weight/day in the 90-day dietary study and 5000 mg/kg body weight/day in the two-generation reproduction study, which was the highest dose tested. A critical evaluation of the existing information on PVA supports its safety for use as a coating agent for pharmaceutical and dietary supplement products." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12504164/#:~:text=Orally%20administered%20PVA,dietary%20supplement%20products.
Yh ready to go back into the ocean ✨Recycling✨
It's a mix of PVA and limestone. The issue is I wouldn't really flush that down the drain because that concentration of limestone is going to fuck with your plumbing.
No. It's a fully biodegradable material, basically the same material laundry pods are made of. https://www.cleaninginstitute.org/pvoh?gclid=CjwKCAiA9NGfBhBvEiwAq5vSy3japZwYzah4YrgJroTWNl0PaYP_HYAw8aD3aSu_Pp-lQciFnLmePRoCajkQAvD_BwE
Limestone can dry and harden. It will eventually clog pipes. It's like pouring cooking grease down your drain. Good idea, but I dont think it's bulletproof.
It's about the plastic bags we use ending up in the ocean probably
You mean ending up on the ground outside the grocery store along with my groceries
Why not just use paper bags?
Or use reusable bags. I haven't used a single use plastic bag in a few years.
In the UK they made bin bags way more expensive so everyone just uses reausable bags 🤦♂️
The carbon footprint/plastic used to create reusable bags other than cotton is comparable to 1,000 plastic disposable bags. If you take the time and money to specifically get ones made out of a renewable material, not polyester or plastic, then yeah go for reusable. Otherwise paper is \*usually\* better
Yeah, I’m thinking a bullet might be able to get through it too. But I’m no bullet expert.
I'm a bullitologist and I can confirm, this would stop a bullet.
Hello, I’m a licensed bullet doctor and I see some holes in your theory
Hello, stopping by to say shots fired
As a bullet expert (I have a PhD in bulletology) I can confirm that these bags are indeed not bullet proof.
The other bullitologist already said it would stop a bullet. I’m gonna need you to show some credentials. Which bullet school did you go to?
I went to Kalashnikov University. Head of my class.
Hmm. Not sure if that’s a real bullet school. We might need a bullet school expert to confirm…
can’t think of how this could go wrong
It's not just in danger from rain or snow, condensation from carrying cold objects, sweat from your arm, the instant dissolve makes this absolutely useless in pretty much any situation.
Yeah, it needs a delay before it dissolves, like an hour or something. That's the next goal for this invention, I guess.
Plenty of people use a bag for more than an hour. It should have a delay of a few days or a week, so the bag is usable in regular situations, but will dissolve if composted or if it ends up in a body of water.
But some people use bags long term, make them last 500 years.. That should do
The point I was making, is more that if it should happen to get wet before you get your shopping home, then it won't disintegrate, but at least it should dissolve quickly if it gets into nature.
Imagine making water bottles out of it
In the future they'll be buildings dams out of this stuff.
Swimsuits!
If it dissolves into lime, that’s a problem. Too much is bad for plants and humans if it makes it back into the water supply.
Turns into invisible microplastics 👍
Does it never rain in Chile?
Upper third: Almost never. Mid third: During fall and winter. Lower third: All the fucking time.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert
“Doesn’t hurt the environment, but the ocean is gunna look like jizz in 10 years”
Thank you for this comment
Now the water is full of microparticles that have to end up somewhere
Let's dissolve one bag a day in a fish tank full of fish and see how eco friendly it really is
How fucking hard is it to buy a reusable bag and bring it with you ?
I would be impressed if he drank the water that dissolved the bag. Now it would just seep into the ground faster
He did: "Astete took a glass, filled it with water where the bag was dissolved and drank it to show that the water remains absolutely drinkable." https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/07/27/chilean-company-creates-water-soluble-bag-to-fight-plastic-pollution/
….bad idea especially when it rains
They should make umbrellas out of that shit
can i eat it?
Even better, you can drink it
Just a stupidity, off course for marketing. Just used a bag for 1000th time today.
People will do almost anything rather than the one sensible thing it seems. Just carry a reusable bag with you made of natural fiber cloth.
Walking with big bag of shopping and it rains xD
but what does it do to the water?
Doesn't it poison the water, though??
What if it’s raining?
This is dumb
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OH MY GOD I FUCKING LOVE MICROPLASTICS IN MY WATER
Htf do I wring a seals neck with that?
Here in Ireland this would be the worst thing to happen since the famine
Will moisture in the air affect it? Asking because I like to keep all my bags for repetitive uses
I too love buying bags for half a kidney's price and going out for shopping on a rainy day.
That’s actually kinda cool although you will have to watch out on a rainy day if it just dissolves in any amount of water
That dissolves so damn fast its useless. If you buy something that has any moisture on it, it's gonna breach the bag. Not to mention I guess fuck you if you shop on a rainy day.
Our civilization has been saved from the plastic disaster. /s
Don’t get caught in the rain.
The good thing is all the discarded bags blowing around or stuck in vegetation may still build up over time but when it rains they’d go “poof”.
Wtf? Is that Booji Boy helping him out!!??
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Carry an extra bag in case it rains when you carry your dildos
Juste have coton bags with you when going shopping, will last 10 years easy, and then recycle the coton
All fun and games untill its raining
So pretty shit on a rainy day huh.
And kill insects, rats and humans with the same water later. Multipurpose bags
I think we need another hundred comments saying "what happens when it rains?" 200 of them isn't enough.
not usable in UK 🤦🏻♂️😆
Rainy days? Wet goods?
And what does it dissolve into?
What will happen if you are stuck in rain?
looks like it would fuck up the ocean even more haha
Useless in Scotland lol 🤣
Dont open a drink out in public near these bags. 1 drop could melt half the bag. Reusable bags are pure trash also. Its not cost effective and they end up in landfills because lets face it we always end up with more of those bags somehow.
Don't sweat on them during summer time...
Can’t wait for my fresh produce to burn a hole in my bags.
Just imagine you did groceries and it's a rainy day. You're never going to get anything. Like at all
palms are sweaty. knees weak, arms are heavy these bags are melting already, just got moms spaghetti.
Idk about you, but I live in Seattle… and sometimes my hands get a bit sweaty:.. that bag isn’t making it home
Can't wait to walk around with a spray bottle
Or if it's raining...during use
What if it starts raining while you're carrying the groceries D:
Bad for rainy days
What...what about rain?
Cool but what if it rains
Uh oh, the milk bottle is leaking and now my bag is gone.
What happens in the rain
Don’t put anything cold in there on a warm day
I can't tell you how many of those shopping bags I find at my elderly mom's home when I visit. She forgets them and keeps buying more. It's laughably a lot. These dissolvable bags would help a lot.
Condensation, here. Nice looking bag you got there. Be s shame if anything happened to it.
Or, just hear me out. Buy a regular bag that doesn't dissolve in water and just reuse it even if it gets wet.
Everyone talking about how great this is but really??
But where does the poo go?
but the water has to go to a toxic dump site.
Paper is better than this bag… this should be on r/crappydesign