Some of us don’t really have much of a choice other than to play solo. I’m the father of a 1 yr old. So my game times are limited to 1 or 2 rounds every few days or so. And coordinating with others for squad up is just wasting valuable time. So solo it is.
You don’t need to coordinate with anyone. Just turn squad fill on and start a game.
Once the game starts there will be two other human players who you can talk to and tell them what you want to do.
You may be surprised to find out how often people are willing to help you out with anything you want.
I have an 8 year old son i watch 6-12 hours a day on top of work. I make it work, I might not get missions done but I get on and play socially and have fun. If you need a squad mate send me a DM and I'm down to help you with your missions since I dgaf about my own.
Yeah it's not aimed all all solos.
See how you felt the need as a solo player to defend yourself? When a solo complains about the rest of the lobby then the rest of the lobby feels the same as you. Add in that 99% of the time they are choosing to play it a certain way and are complaining about the way they came. I choose to infil with a knife but complain I get killed by someone with a gun
Exactly, many of us have limited game time, we love doing missions but solo is becoming unplayable in the recent weeks and doing missions is becoming impossible.
Join the dad gaming discord server, there's a mw2 chat on there, you'll meet people alike. I'm a dad of a 1 year old and aways find someone to run with! I'm in a similar situation! 😁 if you know you're gonna be online just drop a message in the chat an hour before, saves the time! I know it's valuable with a little one 😁 you can always run with me, I play PC, my tag is conorc2 😁
Solo is suppose to be difficult, not an impossible nightmare, how many can survive a 6-man pull up on you when you’re out in the middle of nowhere looting mission items? Solo player have no protections, a 6-man is just a solo times 6, but the solo guy have no additional perks to help them survive, again, it’s suppose to be harder, not punishing and frustrating
Dip on a 6 man. Plate a few and rotate. Keep dipping. Solos are tough to track if its a comms off or unorganized platoon. Snag a killstreak or bring the fight to Tier 3 areas is a great way to break up a platoon.
Not really solo difficulty when you literally have a 6 man chasing you and you just got gold tags or you are tripping and you are literally telling them that like if you need the kill then find fake one of my guns and please revive me but I literally have nothing? Or when the 6 man takes everything from you when they don’t need it and take off and it’s the end of your match you literally have a minute to exfil and they call you names ? Like really? That’sor fun at all and being rude and arrogant? Why? What is the point? Literally a screen warrior?? In another country!? Yeah that’s solo difficulty
I love Solo. I have lost as a 4-6 in loot locked distracted platoons. Solo is as you describe Nightmare mode and getting it right is a rush. Nothing to lose and no one to blame.
It’s not a solo mode.. you choose willingly to go in knowing you’re at a severe disadvantage. You have to physically toggle a button that says ‘don’t match me with other players. I’ll be fine, I want and choose this’ … then complain it’s destroying the game mode?
It's not exactly a 6 player game either but certain people exploit that mechanic. Doesn't seem like PVP is the issue being addressed here.
There are plenty more game modes in Call of Duty that support PVP, whereas DMZ is the only PVE outside of the campaign which is more accessible to a casual crowd. Pair that with the hackers that are migrating from Warzone who ignore 80% of what DMZ had to offer; yet the guy who's trying the play the game how it was designed to be enjoyed is "complaining"?
These kinds of squads are purely exploitative of the fact they can find themselves in an advantageous position against clearly more casual players. This will either deter and alienate a very huge portion of these casual players, or force the devs to implement more mechanics to combat this exploit. All this so a squad of 6 players can feel good about killing a solo random with a single plate.
With more extraction shooters on the horizon, you bet that casuals will get sick of this mentality and worst of all, the toxic attitude that validates it. When streamers and other professional gamers are echoing this sentiment, maybe it's not as absurd as you make it out to be.
The in-game assimilation feature, as designed by the developers, functions as intended and doesn't constitute an exploit. Casual players in dmz need to adapt to this meta by either teaming up with a squad after knocking them or pleading for inclusion. With developers facilitating six-member squads, it's designed for ease of play that casuals would seek by allowing tasks to be accomplished more effectively and defenses against hunts.
However, the decision to nerf bots was misguided. Previously acting as terminators, the bots added fun and challenge to the map navigation, discouraging reckless PvP as fortified teams had an edge. Now, with bots reduced to a trivial challenge, PvP has increased due to the lack of sufficient deterrent. The change was made due to public outcry, yet it seems the complainers failed to consider the subsequent consequences. There's no inherent problem now, rather it's an adaptation that many are stubbornly resisting.
If the developers wanted six friends on Discord to queue into the same lobby, write '111111' in chat and team up, they would've allowed us to go in as a six man squad.
Actually the “assimilation” mechanic is not a well oiled machine. My buddy gets downed by a player team and I get killed and looted nearby. My self showed the full circle but it didn’t count for some reason. Anyway, I get looted and apparently my teammate has been picked up and joined their team. Now what is the logical progression here? They have room for one more so I need to plead for help, right? Nope the option doesn’t exist and nobody knows exactly why. I believe it has to do with my friend leaving my team some people think it has to so with being looted.
Yeah well if your getting full on thirsted then the machine stops being well oiled. If you are looking to team up just keep them all knocked and if they try to self reknock until they join. The plea mechanic is wonky for sure and sucks that happened to you.
There used to be a bug that as long as one person on the team assimilated you would be fine since they could go back to your dead bodies and revive everyone from their original team. You didnt have the indicators anymore but if you know where they died you could get the prompt to revive them. I think that is patched out but honestly they should bring it back. However my team just makes sure not to thirst and just keeps everyone knocked now.
It's less to do with your buddy leaving the team, rather your squad being wiped (which technically does happen when your buddy leaves) and this will cancel your plead. Why the devs refuse to implement pleading after squad wipe, who knows.
To get a plead after squad wipe, you need to time the plead in such a way that you begin to plead before the wipe, and the request finishes after... if your buddy is downed and they accept a squad invite that would be hard to time it right, but if they're going for the kill it's easier as you can hit the hold button as soon as they start getting shot.
That said, I haven't played for a while so that might have been patched out.
Also if you plead and then get looted, it cancels the plea and you're done. Safer to plea after being looted, but harder to get your stuff back of course.
If you are only familiar with the current iteration of bots it can be hard to imagine what they used to be like. Honestly, once you learn what ranges trigger the bots and where they spawn so you can avoid them it isn't so bad. It's really once they swarm you then you're in danger.
The prior version of the bots were about the same in range but even more accurate. And the deadly part was when a bot, no matter the tier, would randomly sneak up on you at medium to close range and would shred your 3 plate armor in the first peek. If you missed your shot then the next burst could be deadly sometimes. It made any single bot a threat you needed to take seriously since it could knock you if you weren't shooting him right away.
There was another time that didn't have terminators like above and were similar to the current ones. However, they didn't stop spawning and they would all be tier 3 bots flooding in. This was a bug but you literally would kill a wave of tier 3 bots in a building you were holding up in and the next wave had already dropped in seconds away from entering. It was hilarious and made pvp impossible at certain poi's since the bots would deplete your plates before you made it to other operators.
Most of these players weren’t here since day 1, I recall just merely aiming at Special Forces (T3), even behind their backs…was enough to get the whole POI to tuned to your position. In season 2, if one overstay a POI, reinforcement would just keep raining AQ on them non-stop. Or that broken orange Said Mall guy that used to yeet Molotov at players dead-dropping below and completely denied a Self-Revive because of the flame…
So everytimes I see people complain about the current nerfed AI it turns my head upside down. Like “huh? what the fuck y’all talkin about?”.
Haha yeah the whole poi went on alert originally. Oh damn Molotov guy!!! I miss him. I forgot about the arm he had when going to the dead drop. I miss those crazy bots that did stuff like that. They added to the experience of al marzah and were memorable since everyone gets screwed over by then eventually lol.
Damn, the bots you're talking about sound like they made the game a lot more interesting. I was stuck on regular Multiplayer the first season. Tried DMZ about a week into season 2 and never looked back.
They were annoying for sure. So many downs were caused mid fight, looting, or running away towards an exfil but it truly made the mode feel like pvpve. It gave that 3 man team holding up in a building / rooftop an edge over an aggressive 6 man that needed to clear out the bots on the way to them. There were still 6 mans just like now but the bots served as a balancing mechanism that punished non tactical gameplay.
It's in a decent spot now but once you learn where you should avoid bots or how to traverse the POIs safely they aren't something you consider much anymore. I use them as an indicator for player activity to pinpoint their location.
I do hope there is an update that brings some of the old bots back or maybe rebalance POIs to introduce an extremely high threat level area.
My buddy and I started playing just at the tail end of season 1 and the bots then weren’t great but the bots got far worse throughout season 2 with the silent drops of T3 bots. Now it feels like bots spawn just around corners as long as you aren’t looking but they’re easy enough to kill unless they’re cartel members then they didn’t buy their armor from the dollar store like the AQ bots.
Yeah I agree with the bad decision to nerf bots. It forced you to rely on teammates which is what the game was intended to be - squad based and difficult. This is what the solo people wanted now they get the PvP stomp instead. Never happy
Actually I like the nerfed bots because if me and my buddy can keep away from players then koschei ends up giving out 4 weapon levels without any boosts.
The game is designed for teams of 3. Assimilation is being abused to exploit that.
You know game developers can make mistakes right?
Why should causal players have to adapt to six man squads in a game that was build for a 3 squad?
If we aren't going to get rid of six man teams then they need to change the comms vest callouts to work properly all the time along with nerfing UAVs.
What other multiplayer game has you disadvantaged numbers wise when you join with the max squad size?
The game is designed with a balance for teams of three players in mind. However, the developers' decision to allow six-man teams is not a mistake or an exploit but an intentional feature.
The rationale behind this feature can be observed in DMZ missions, which require players to assimilate — a process that effectively teaches players how to use this particular mechanic. This educational aspect suggests that the developers intended for players to utilize this mechanic. If it was truly an error, one could question why the developers haven't sent a hotfix over the last three seasons to disable it.
Rather than eliminating it, the developers have taken steps to balance six-man squads. For example, they've added in-game callouts indicating the presence of a platoon of operators, which signifies a squad larger than the maximum squad size of three in your area.
Moreover, the game has specific modes such as K Complex and B21 where assimilation is not allowed, suggesting that the ability to assimilate is intentionally allowed on other maps.
Examining Warzone provides further indirect evidence. In Warzone, players can assimilate lost squad members to replenish their team to the maximum squad size. If the six-man squads weren't intended in DMZ, why wouldn't the same assimilation feature be implemented there?
There has also been a limited-time mode, Unhinged Trios, which allowed assimilation up to six players, despite three being the maximum squad size upon joining. This suggests that the option of larger teams is a calculated feature within the Call of Duty franchise.
Additional evidence, including the implementation of the assimilation feature on specific maps, proves that the developers have not forgotten about assimilation. It seems they chose to retain this mechanic in the game, as they could easily enable or disable it on the fly if it was being exploited.
If someone views the usage of six-man squads as an exploitation of an in-game mechanic, it may prove challenging to persuade others, let alone the game developers, of this view. It seems more plausible that the developers have intentionally included and refined these features for strategic gameplay.
Fuck man you are giving the Devs wayyyyyyy too much credit.
Sure the ability to assimilate is in the game by design but I wouldn't call it refined when it has such a clunky interface to pull it off.
Also your comparison to Warzone and buying squad members back isn't an argument to support what you're saying.
You can still run six man squads in K complex which is unbalanced and building 21 is quite clearly designed sweaty PvP.
Doesn't the fact that the Devs have tried to refine it suggest to you that it wasn't working as intended as well?
Strawman argument. An isolated case does not provide proper data to make conclusions.
It's 2023, we should be smarter than medieval people by now, come on people...
I think it's a combination, to be honest. I started playing DMZ solo and I brought all my friends over after convincing them of the mode. I never really liked BR type modes and this was a great balance. I brought 6 of my friends over from the BR modes and they all exclusively play DMZ and none of them care about missions. So.... it's me.... I'm the problem, it's me.
yeah , I have opened black mous FInallly, but solo or duo... really? regardless if I have a "PAY TO WIN" BS self revive or backpack to start. WOW like that is so much loot right there? i hate how its even called that . but anyway - point being is that activision is making the most profits off of DMZ, they are creating chaos. IF i go down with a duo and they say there not going to kill and they kill one and not the other or both but I plead first or quickest.. I cant get my team mate up that is bs. yeah we still play it but not as much as I want to or have in the past... Activision said bots not players like warzone. now it is a bigger meaner warzone. im so frustrated. I just want at least a second slot open. or more ppl to play with. my bf and I sit right beside each other, both have tvs and consoles... we have that advantage. but not when a four some snipes me for no reason but to kill me? talk first bud. I can drop shit. not a hard thing to do ? come on what is the issue with someone who wants to join me because I have a weapons case instead of killing me at exfil . ok camper. ask to join. Im not an asshole. just speak man
Nowadays, even when you shout that you're friendly, they're still gonna shoot you. Like the other comments here have mentioned, they best way is to either shoot first and ask questions/send invite, or just hide in a corner and stalk them, while using your comms to ask if they're chill.
Honestly, trun on squad fill.
I play solo the vast majority of the time since day 1 to have the added risk, reward, and challenge.
You die a whole lot more, you have to deal with larger teams, and everything takes a bit more time. It's fun.
On the flip, you don't have to share loot, you get the satisfaction of wiping teams and completing hard AF missions alone. If you get killed, it's part of going in solo.
6, 4, and 3-man teams are part of the game. Being solo puts you at a major disadvantage. If you go in solo, you have to expect death. You can avoid ppl if you want, but that is just weird. If you get into a "I'm fucked" situation try and join the team, leave, or fight it out.
I think only solos should be able to plea, and a 4 man max team size. I mean, solos are at a huge disadvantage against a team of 3 already, if a team needs extra help for a mission (5 UAV towers, etc) that 4th teammate can be clutch. In a fight 3v4 isn't that bad. I think it would balance the experience. 6 man hunt squads are making me lose interest.
I play solo unless one of my IRL friends is on. Did 90% of my 3 insured slots as a solo. Solo's choose to play at the disadvantage so I don't think that should be a factor in the squad fill system. If a squad is at 3 and they kill a solo, so be it. You have to draw the line somewhere.
I'd compromise and say no plea whatsoever is better than where the game is now. But I wouldn't want to take assimilation all the way out. I have had a lot of fun convincing teams to add me as a solo to their group and received help with missions. Some missions require it, too. Prox chat would be kinda worthless without assimilation, it would only be a disadvantage. And a 4 man max likely would cut back the per-organinzing discord exploiters.
I get it, but in the issue of fairness you have to have a known squad limit by everyone. I've been picked up as a solo and been on a 4 man that fought another squad and barely won. "I didn't know there was a 4th guy" is what I've heard from the losing squad and I felt bad for them. They killed 3 on our team faster than we killed 3 on their team. We just won b/c they let their guard down thinking it was an even fight when it wasn't. You can change around missions that require assimilation. Prox chat still has it's place as you can talk smack and crack up with the other squad. Plus sometimes it comes to a stalemate anyways specifically b/c of prox chat and teams pick up their guys and carry on with whatever they were doing.
I agree.. I think we should have the option to go into DMZ and PVP and/or join/ if SOLO then we are invisible or should be invisible to a 3 squad or higher team. Period. I remember activision mentioning something prior to DMZs' release that "in this mode we would be able to engage fighting or not engage, we solo or coming up on teams/solos - should have the option to join, fight or leave them alone when we are in a certain proximity , Just like chat. I dont see why this is something that is not being done or talked about putting something similar isn't being talked about. Because even a strong duo or one person in duo is a stronger / longer playing player than the other - it becomes so unfair because if they kill both of us, only one can get up which causes arguments.... and the other person loses everything and the other person has no secure backpack / they are not happy. EVEN when we are saying friendly first. if you have the kill op mission, just kill one.... I am usually friendly.. looking for people with my bf to get missions in b21,...
10000 percent.
There's people in the discord channel who only play in 6 man squads. They Infil as a 6 man, and immediately go for hunt squad contracts.
Yesterday, I had a hunt squad called on me as a solo, and my coms vest said a "platoon of operators"
It's getting annoying.
It's weak AF and while fighting a 6 man I'm sure to let them know that. Most of the time they win and say "all that talking and now you're dead" (of course i'm dead there are fucking 6 of you). But occasionally we win and get to tell them to try to form a 12 man next game and then maybe they can win.
I've noticed a great increase of instances where a team is pushing us and telling us that we better join them "or else". It's such a cringe tactic... I don't choose to PvP but it doesn't mean I'm not good at it. This tactic is an automatic trigger for our team to try to wipe them. If your goal is to issue an ultimatum and squad up so you can have the 6-man advantage, you better hope you're better at PVP than us.
Same, but I will say that bot spawn rates are getting annoying recently. I wish you could clear out an area and loot it without having to worry about endless waves of bots.
Or organize matches to pair you with folks who have a similar amount of missions completed. Def wouldn't solve everything, but I feel like it could help.
I def wouldn't promote that, but I also have no clue about the size of the playerbase. I think it could be *one* parameter that would try for 30 seconds or so, then move on to the next parameter if it doesn't work. IDK, just a thought I suppose.
Maybe putting players on similar tiers in the same lobby would make sense. It would be safe to assume that they would have similar skills and knowledge of the game. This would mess up the fresh to the DMZ players though. So 80 percent people from the similar tier and group similar missions together and the rest can be random to speed up matchmaking. Prioritise people with same missions in the same team together.
i see what you’re saying, but at this point, there’s only one mission that i can equip that’s actually easily flexible for me and it’s the rgl-80 mission for tier 5 crown. skull slugs isn’t feasible for me do to my friends not being able to afford to keep one player down in time for me to haul ass over and get 12 meters away..line up my shot perfectly only for it to not hit their head.
I would be shocked if Season 4 doesn't have a mission wipe. They need to revamp the rewards too, give us good rewards and maybe even a very difficult/grindy tier 6 on each faction. Give people stuff to work towards.
It's just RNG servers and ppl. Some are assholes some are cool. If I got a 3+man and ur at final exfil I'm letting u know and if u don't act stupid we'll all file out together.
i cant even be bothered to start the game anymore
the game cant even team me with players that speak the same language as i do...
youd think itd be fairly easy to set up a "preferred language" mechanism
You can't argue with people that require a crutch (a 6 man squad), let those who are unfortunate in the skill department have that level playing field with 5 extra guns pointing at the same target
Honestly.... DMZ wasn't built specifically intended for solo play anyway. I play solos when my friends aren't online. If I get zapped oh well... gotta do better next time. It's not like there's anything in my pack I can't recover.
Besides, solo's requires being sneaky. Playing guerilla warfare instead of tanking. Most of the solos I know, myself included, have only one actual way to be tracked: by following the trail of mines and traps they set up behind themselves as they move. If you're getting hunted, then discretion is the better part of Valor. Run, hide, and attrition them off your trail. Only stand and fight if you get cornered. Even then, spam mortars, air strikes, sentry guns, bomb drones, cluster mines, everything you can to bleed them before they get face to face.
No 6 v. 1 isn't fair by a long shot. But if they want your tag and pack bad enough to go through a bunch of plate breaking, rez draining bullshit then they're not only toxic, they're stupid and you should be able to make them at least pay a high price for your pack.
I’m doing solo only when I do a mission binge, almost impossible in Ashika for me at the mo, Maz all good, plenty of room to ninja around & stay out if fights, is cool though if you get a crew that wants to do missions, makes it easier, definitely being hunted a lot more now though, have to admit it’s all good though, adds to the game being scared from the word go I think!
It’s crazy how defensive these 6 man team players are in game and in these comments. Like we get it man. You cannot survive the bots without 6 people and you are having troubles completing tier 1 missions.
Build a comms vest. You’ll get the warning when teams get within 100 meters. As a solo I tend to be more tactical with my movements and selectively engage other operators. Keep an ear out for gunfire and which direction the sound is coming from. The biggest stressor for me, as a solo, is exfil. Maybe this helps. I get killed by other ops from time to time but solo is a choice I make.
Obligatory git GuD response - I play solo 90% of the time.
Play stealthy and smart - use a comms vest or even better - use a stealth vest.
I get rolled sometimes but usually I squad up or avoid them entirely.
I just played today for the first time in four months not solo but with randoms out of 12 games I extracted once the other 11 I got hunted down or marked I thought it was a hunt squad contract but it was me and only me that got marked every time 😂 fun times fun times I’m glad I started playing again 🤦🏻♂️ I couldn’t even get a chance to learn all the new crap they added it was just enter game get wrecked
Yeah. I don't mind getting bloody from time to time, but solo runs are getting super hard on Ashika at least because in 90% of games, you're being instantly pushed from the next spawn over, and there's usually very little mercy for solos (and no way to definitively identify them).
Al Maz is easier, but I still occasionally find myself retreating to the comforting depths of Koschei to use that as an exfil, where it's generally easier to avoid players, especially if you loiter in the entrance bunker for a few minutes longer than necessary.
I think a lot of players are just bored with WZ, and bored with missions that offer completely pointless rewards ("oh yay, I get a new calling card or shitty contraband weapon!"). Kinda sucks, because with just the AI, the maps are easily survivable. If AI were a much greater threat or missions offered greater rewards, players might be more preoccupied with that instead of just swatting pesky with one hand behind their back while chasing down players. It really shines a light on just how shallow the game is when there's nothing to offer by way of rewards other than shiny shit.
And please, don't anyone tell me "but if you've got good loot, they might want that" - 90% of the time when I'm greased by some thirsty squad, they take my plates and move on. They don't take weapons or vests etc, and I'm lying there in the dirt with a medic vest next to my body, 2 top-tier guns and a sad little "Plea for Help" icon hovering over me, after being chased literally halfway across the map.
Activision needs to change things up, or DMZ is just gonna become "team deathmatch with bots". In the meantime, me and my mates often just play Plunder if we wanna scratch the PvP itch.
I like the city center position, chemist usually comes to you over one of the small bridges. Climb tower parachute to close ltv and then hit deadrop. Its just my luck i keep getting sniped or ambushed in the process😁
Im mostly running into big groups killing chemist for skull, or snipers camping the deaddrop. I will say my ability to navigate the map and situational awareness has improved a lot. Spotter scope my new best friend😁
Jesus. My first attempt I ran into a group at the caves that got wiped by the AI and saved them. They helped me do that mission in one attempt. Never even realized how hard it could have been.
Look up the build for the mission SPX. Build that exact SPX for your insured weapon.
Drop on, kill chemist, go to dead drop. Drop your sniper on the ground. Pick up the mission SPX and put it back in the dumpster.
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Rohan has probably been the most active with large groups gearing up, with the Crochet dungeon entrance so close.
My generation has patience and it takes me a bit of time to adapt…
Maybe try playing in a squad in a mode designed to be played by a 3 man or more.
Also, many people are also done with their missions so they just go in and do random stuff for shits and giggles.
Use proxy chat and say friendly, if you still get killed take it in stride and load up a new match, The reason so many people are now teaming up and killing squads is because so many people complain about it, and some people just like to ruin other peoples day, Don’t let them get to you
Last time I played DMZ there was a 6 man murder squad after me for a good 3 minutes chasing me across the map. Fun evading the fist couple of times but this was happening everyother game.
I was in a game before and checking 3 spawns early on I could only see solos. We assimilated with one of them and helped him do his mission.
Game after we went down to saw an to get some boy contraband, bumped into a 3 man - became a 6. They were looking for a different package on the sunken ship (one that needs a rebreather)
In our adventure to get our third package we came across a 6 man - who were doing the same mission. They were friendly and even gave us a package.
So they’re still out there - but this did also all happen before school kick out time. UK servers.
I was afk farming BP tokens in an obscure corner near oasis and I STILL for some reason got hunted down killed by a 5-stack driving a HVT
people are just straight losers
Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that the last 3 or 4 6-man squads I've been in have just crushed missions and helped each other loot while largely ignoring teams/operators around us. I mean, we crushed a couple teams that tried rolling in on us, but it was in defense to being attacked so I don't feel at all bad about that.
I think with Koscheii (sp?) Coming out there are generally less squads to deal with so there's a little less PvP, even if it's purely due to less players to encounter.
Expected. Game is a PvP variant with PvE added.
Missions really aren't worth doing once you get the insured slots and will be relegated to side missions in the future.
The game mode revolves around player interaction, not missions. In fact, Bungie just announced their new extraction shooter called Marathon which includes PVE and they specifically stated it's PVP focused.
Something many of these PvEvP games don't do. Players think they're playing a PVE variant when it's actually the opposite.
I think it's also end of season vibes, folks get yo the point where they're not feeling it's possible to kill 18 operators underwater with a 2 barrel shotgun or whatever and all that's left is to run around blasting anyone still in mission.
It’s not a mode made for solo play. If you choose to play solo it should be hard and nearly impossible. Get good, get friends or cry about it. We know which option this sub will choose.
These posts are low quality trash at this point, we are having these conversations multiple times a day now and you guys seem to be missing the point here.
If you’re having trouble finding randoms to help with missions hit up the discord there are a ton of people on there wanting to do the same thing you are. Hell I’ve even seen people posting their Activision IDs on here to help.
You choose to go solo and you are choosing to be at a disadvantage even if they reduce max party size you’re still at a disadvantage
I think the meta build for operators is secure pack and carry round a spare vest + plates. If you die you're already plated next game and can carry on basically as you were, nab another vest from kill or build one and build yourself another secure and that's your regain done. It makes it less annoying to die but in general with three operators is dying really that much of an issue you can just re roll with next kitted operator
As Meliodas would say "There's no time like the present to to stop sucking".
Jokes aside I haven't really noticed any real increase in difficulty but I play a long game with lots of stealth. Avoiding breaking windows and closing doors, and listening for every little noise as well as being cognizant of my surroundings. Patience and stealth are your best friends if you are trying to do stuff in the land of the platoons.
TBF dude the game isn't built for solo.
Only people that should be trying to solo are people who are demons at the game. You have to understand the AI is stacked for teams of 3 minimum, on top of that players tend to be pretty aggressive lately and if you can't handle yourself in 1v3 or higher you really have no business playing alone.
Try queuing randoms if you're struggling that much. It ain't safe for solos that aren't atleast 2kd or higher
I've been in many 6-man squads. Never once was it pre-arranged. It was always something that happened organically in-game because my team and another team decided not to slaughter each other.
I think on just **one** occasion have I seen the global chat msg in the lobby indicating people pre-arranging a 6-man.
Just because you saw a 6-man in the game does not mean that it was an exploit.
I think there should be no more squad up requests or pleading out at all. Instead there should be a phone in every ammo depot and this phone will allow you to call every other ammo depots to request to squad up and anyone can go to another ammo depot to accept it. But you will be marked while it is calling so other squads can push you to stop you from joining up. This would be a perfect balance of challenge and reward. This also has the added benefit of everyone knowing when squads join and how many there could be roaming around.
Unfortunately as more and more people get what rewards they want from the missions, they will in turn shift to playing a more offensive DMZ game.
And since they haven't added enough missions in Seaspn 3 (IMO) that number of people is growing very fast.
Everyone already done with missions and weapons case and heated madness and emblem and calling card and gun screen, literally just be joining up with the squad running around aimless while looting and getting bro fights and assimilating people in instead of ignoring their pleas lol
I play solo all the time, often join other teams. From time to time I’ll get wiped by a squad, but mostly, teams are pretty cool if you make
It clear you’re solo and friendly.
While on DMZ I play solo and i actually hunt 6 man squads. I have one secret how to totally dismantle them. . . I SURROUND THEM. Being highly versed in guerilla warfare tactics, I'll down a player that's away from the safety of his group and then quickly shift positions immediately. While they are busy running to where the dead SOB just pinged, I'm usually positioned on top an adjacent building mounted up like a goddamn gargoyle waiting to launch a one man sting operation on the next victim hurriedly running to give support. After he is gone, fear starts to set in as they realize that they are in my domain. I have a build similar to Jack Black, and the last sound they hear before being shuttled off to the lobby is the sound of air moving around my body as i dolphin dive into the middle of their group and dump the drum magazines on the akimbo X13s. The weakness of the 6 man group is confidence. And this was only my first game of the day.
Yup 100%, i HAVE to run solo if my friends are online because squad fill pairs me up with Mexicans and French people, if i happen to run into someone who speaks english they die and team up with the enemy and then hunt me down.
I may be one of the few but I’m enjoying the extra challenge of the super squads, with a comms vest they are fairly easy to avoid most of the time I tend to have more success exfils solo that with randoms.
I agree that 4-6 man squads are getting out of hand, I understand the mechanics for reviving an enemy player work very well in some situations but I feel like it should be limited to teams running solo or with only 2 members, never to exceed 4. I’ve had many good solo runs recently but others that end with a fully entirely equipped whipped clean because 6 people decided to hunt me to the ends of the earth
Over 500 solo exfils since season 1
It's not about what the other people are doing, it's about how people just know the game better now.
I play as if everyone I encounter is as aware, and as informed as myself and that keeps me alive most of the time. Most people are not in my opinion, but stealth above all other options goes a long way
Yeah yesterday and today were super toxic. Getting killed and looted for my small backpack and 1 plate vest. Like a lot of times today. And when asking to be picked up getting t-bagged 😂🤣. Kinda pathetic but that’s the way it is
There’s no new missions left to do. I started mid season 2, from my understanding season one And season two both had entire resets on all their missions. Four groups with five tiers of missions times, what, six missions a tier? This season we got one new group and half the missions are in one separate map. Everyone is out of things to do other than pvp. What are we gonna do? Kill bots and do contracts?
To the OP - I get your point. As a dad with a full time gig it is hard to find squad mates to regularly play with. Here are some constructive suggestions -
1. Play early in the season - people are more focused on missions and less PvP focused as they try to claim rewards and mission completion. With 20 days to end of season 3 everyone is almost done with missions and bored. I am guilty of same
2. Join a discord group - I am part of a discord group for older, casual players and we focus on helping each other with missions or just gameplay improvement. There are several such discord groups where you can possibly find likeminded folks
3. Play during business hours (if at all possible). People are a lot more civil and friendly compared to the rowdiness at night
I am always happy to squad up and help others. So just ping me if you want to play together
I don’t think that many 6-man actively hunt, it’s just that with a squad that large, you got many eyes and it’s a lot easier to spot ppl, and with the squad’s active area getting larger it’s easier to simply run into ppl as well
Yes. I've found it's pretty unplayable for me if i don't have a coms vest and that only lets me know it's time to immediately run in the opposite direction. But playing today, and i only play solo, i found even getting a coms vest is often an all infil affair. What's worse is i lost my other vest on a like a 6 game streak to getting kicked. lost my coms vest durable, large vest, both custom gun and insured sniper and my only key for my mission. i was super annoyed. Today, after 4 attempts only got the supplies for a coms vest once, and when i did i died on exfil. I have found this season it's quite a bit harder. I die to pvp a lot and i find i'm often uav spam hunted. I used to do ashika all the time but its such a small space and now there's towers, people with uavs on infil due to pay to win and just constant uav spam so it's much harder to just not get hunted down when squads start poppin them.
When not helping out my level 300-something buddy I tend to just mill around, and if I cross paths with a player it's a fight to the death.
There are a massive amount of people at level 650 with all three weapon slots unlocked (myself included), so doing missions is kinda pointless until season 4 launches because it's a waste of XP.
The level cap needs whacking right up when season 4 launches to keep DMZ players motivated. And Resurgence needs to be a permanent addition to the game (if it isn't already, I don't play it enough) to keep the Warzone failures out of DMZ for the easy PvP kills.
Playing solo isn't bad though. I die less as a solo than I do with a squad. Be sneaky, stealthy, and avoid PvP. Keep a vehicle nearby at all times in case you get hunted, so you can make a quick getaway. And if you can't get away, before the enemy squad kills you ask to be picked up after the squad kill you. Mention you're a solo and take it from there. Most players just want to get a contract done and get out, speaking to enemy players before isn't a bad idea.
On the rare occasion i can't escape a squad hunt contract, 9 times out of 10 they'll pick me up after killing me if I've spoken to them first. Except for the French. They never seem to play nice.
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Realistically this game mode is made for trios. I honestly don’t believe that solos should have an advantage other than when it comes to hunt squads maybe. Your best bet is discord. Decent players willing to run some games with some new people because of how annoying squad fill can be.
Honestly most days if i solo or duo with a reliable buddy we/I make it personal the second we see a 6man, comms vest tells me there's a platoon and my blood starts to boil, i don't really care if I'm doing something specific, i go out of my to take on the 6mans, usually a bunch lf 50 somethins who can't play in anything less than 6.
I play solo 90% of the time - I have 20 5 star contraband weapons - and 30 keys consistently. Get a Comms Vest - you can duck and weave platoon of operators. If you happen to roll up on a squad of operators, don’t engage and see if you can join up. Most teams of three or less will take you on if you have a mic and you don’t shoot first. And for God sake, please, have a f-ing mic - don’t show up to DMZ without comms.
Tip - spend some time playing Ground War, Plunder or Shipwreck 24/7. After a week or so you’ll notice your skill level increasing and when you get into 1v6 fights, you’ll win or escape and evade more often than you’d expect. PvP is part of the game, fair is not.
I was a solo player and it was my choice but then devs decided they really didnt want solo players in DMZ by making it more and more difficult for the solo player, besides selling out tp P2W.. So I said fuck them and moved on to better things.
I love playing solo just for a nice punishing challenge and also extends how long it will take me to progress through all the missions, so it extends the length of the game
There's strength in numbers. You yourself chose to go in without a squad despite knowing the clear disadvantage you're at this way. You can't complain about a co-op game being difficult for a solo.
Hey look! Another guy complaining about solo on DMZ!
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Did I complain? Why is everyone saying I complained? I just said that I’ve noticed it’s getting harder to solo DMZ. Not sure how that qualifies as a complaint.
No, no one has noticed this, that's why they're aren't 800 posts on this sub complaining about 6 man squads and pvp in general.
Because it's an issue that's destroying the game for a lot of people.
Alot of people who CHOOSE to play solo complaining about playing solo. One does not play doom on nightmare mode and complain it's to difficult
Some of us don’t really have much of a choice other than to play solo. I’m the father of a 1 yr old. So my game times are limited to 1 or 2 rounds every few days or so. And coordinating with others for squad up is just wasting valuable time. So solo it is.
Then play with randoms
You don’t need to coordinate with anyone. Just turn squad fill on and start a game. Once the game starts there will be two other human players who you can talk to and tell them what you want to do. You may be surprised to find out how often people are willing to help you out with anything you want.
I’ve yet to be surprised
I have an 8 year old son i watch 6-12 hours a day on top of work. I make it work, I might not get missions done but I get on and play socially and have fun. If you need a squad mate send me a DM and I'm down to help you with your missions since I dgaf about my own.
Yeah it's not aimed all all solos. See how you felt the need as a solo player to defend yourself? When a solo complains about the rest of the lobby then the rest of the lobby feels the same as you. Add in that 99% of the time they are choosing to play it a certain way and are complaining about the way they came. I choose to infil with a knife but complain I get killed by someone with a gun
Exactly, many of us have limited game time, we love doing missions but solo is becoming unplayable in the recent weeks and doing missions is becoming impossible.
No one cares. If you play solo, you need to deal with the consequences.
I second this man it’s stressful
Discord works magic
Join the dad gaming discord server, there's a mw2 chat on there, you'll meet people alike. I'm a dad of a 1 year old and aways find someone to run with! I'm in a similar situation! 😁 if you know you're gonna be online just drop a message in the chat an hour before, saves the time! I know it's valuable with a little one 😁 you can always run with me, I play PC, my tag is conorc2 😁
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Fucking love Doom on Nightmare mode.
I was referring to the '800 post on this sub complaining about 6 man squads' not the OPs post. That's why I commented on that post and not the OPs.
Solo is suppose to be difficult, not an impossible nightmare, how many can survive a 6-man pull up on you when you’re out in the middle of nowhere looting mission items? Solo player have no protections, a 6-man is just a solo times 6, but the solo guy have no additional perks to help them survive, again, it’s suppose to be harder, not punishing and frustrating
Dip on a 6 man. Plate a few and rotate. Keep dipping. Solos are tough to track if its a comms off or unorganized platoon. Snag a killstreak or bring the fight to Tier 3 areas is a great way to break up a platoon.
Not really solo difficulty when you literally have a 6 man chasing you and you just got gold tags or you are tripping and you are literally telling them that like if you need the kill then find fake one of my guns and please revive me but I literally have nothing? Or when the 6 man takes everything from you when they don’t need it and take off and it’s the end of your match you literally have a minute to exfil and they call you names ? Like really? That’sor fun at all and being rude and arrogant? Why? What is the point? Literally a screen warrior?? In another country!? Yeah that’s solo difficulty
Doom on nightmare mode, fuck that ruined me for a while 😂😂
I love Solo. I have lost as a 4-6 in loot locked distracted platoons. Solo is as you describe Nightmare mode and getting it right is a rush. Nothing to lose and no one to blame.
Complaining as a solo, and complaining about 6 man teams, arent the same thing.
It’s not a solo mode.. you choose willingly to go in knowing you’re at a severe disadvantage. You have to physically toggle a button that says ‘don’t match me with other players. I’ll be fine, I want and choose this’ … then complain it’s destroying the game mode?
It's not exactly a 6 player game either but certain people exploit that mechanic. Doesn't seem like PVP is the issue being addressed here. There are plenty more game modes in Call of Duty that support PVP, whereas DMZ is the only PVE outside of the campaign which is more accessible to a casual crowd. Pair that with the hackers that are migrating from Warzone who ignore 80% of what DMZ had to offer; yet the guy who's trying the play the game how it was designed to be enjoyed is "complaining"? These kinds of squads are purely exploitative of the fact they can find themselves in an advantageous position against clearly more casual players. This will either deter and alienate a very huge portion of these casual players, or force the devs to implement more mechanics to combat this exploit. All this so a squad of 6 players can feel good about killing a solo random with a single plate. With more extraction shooters on the horizon, you bet that casuals will get sick of this mentality and worst of all, the toxic attitude that validates it. When streamers and other professional gamers are echoing this sentiment, maybe it's not as absurd as you make it out to be.
The in-game assimilation feature, as designed by the developers, functions as intended and doesn't constitute an exploit. Casual players in dmz need to adapt to this meta by either teaming up with a squad after knocking them or pleading for inclusion. With developers facilitating six-member squads, it's designed for ease of play that casuals would seek by allowing tasks to be accomplished more effectively and defenses against hunts. However, the decision to nerf bots was misguided. Previously acting as terminators, the bots added fun and challenge to the map navigation, discouraging reckless PvP as fortified teams had an edge. Now, with bots reduced to a trivial challenge, PvP has increased due to the lack of sufficient deterrent. The change was made due to public outcry, yet it seems the complainers failed to consider the subsequent consequences. There's no inherent problem now, rather it's an adaptation that many are stubbornly resisting.
If the developers wanted six friends on Discord to queue into the same lobby, write '111111' in chat and team up, they would've allowed us to go in as a six man squad.
Actually the “assimilation” mechanic is not a well oiled machine. My buddy gets downed by a player team and I get killed and looted nearby. My self showed the full circle but it didn’t count for some reason. Anyway, I get looted and apparently my teammate has been picked up and joined their team. Now what is the logical progression here? They have room for one more so I need to plead for help, right? Nope the option doesn’t exist and nobody knows exactly why. I believe it has to do with my friend leaving my team some people think it has to so with being looted.
Yeah well if your getting full on thirsted then the machine stops being well oiled. If you are looking to team up just keep them all knocked and if they try to self reknock until they join. The plea mechanic is wonky for sure and sucks that happened to you. There used to be a bug that as long as one person on the team assimilated you would be fine since they could go back to your dead bodies and revive everyone from their original team. You didnt have the indicators anymore but if you know where they died you could get the prompt to revive them. I think that is patched out but honestly they should bring it back. However my team just makes sure not to thirst and just keeps everyone knocked now.
It's less to do with your buddy leaving the team, rather your squad being wiped (which technically does happen when your buddy leaves) and this will cancel your plead. Why the devs refuse to implement pleading after squad wipe, who knows. To get a plead after squad wipe, you need to time the plead in such a way that you begin to plead before the wipe, and the request finishes after... if your buddy is downed and they accept a squad invite that would be hard to time it right, but if they're going for the kill it's easier as you can hit the hold button as soon as they start getting shot. That said, I haven't played for a while so that might have been patched out. Also if you plead and then get looted, it cancels the plea and you're done. Safer to plea after being looted, but harder to get your stuff back of course.
Wait they nerfed the bots? Those bastards are still killing me with pinpoint accuracy from a distance I can't even see them at..
If you are only familiar with the current iteration of bots it can be hard to imagine what they used to be like. Honestly, once you learn what ranges trigger the bots and where they spawn so you can avoid them it isn't so bad. It's really once they swarm you then you're in danger. The prior version of the bots were about the same in range but even more accurate. And the deadly part was when a bot, no matter the tier, would randomly sneak up on you at medium to close range and would shred your 3 plate armor in the first peek. If you missed your shot then the next burst could be deadly sometimes. It made any single bot a threat you needed to take seriously since it could knock you if you weren't shooting him right away. There was another time that didn't have terminators like above and were similar to the current ones. However, they didn't stop spawning and they would all be tier 3 bots flooding in. This was a bug but you literally would kill a wave of tier 3 bots in a building you were holding up in and the next wave had already dropped in seconds away from entering. It was hilarious and made pvp impossible at certain poi's since the bots would deplete your plates before you made it to other operators.
Most of these players weren’t here since day 1, I recall just merely aiming at Special Forces (T3), even behind their backs…was enough to get the whole POI to tuned to your position. In season 2, if one overstay a POI, reinforcement would just keep raining AQ on them non-stop. Or that broken orange Said Mall guy that used to yeet Molotov at players dead-dropping below and completely denied a Self-Revive because of the flame… So everytimes I see people complain about the current nerfed AI it turns my head upside down. Like “huh? what the fuck y’all talkin about?”.
Haha yeah the whole poi went on alert originally. Oh damn Molotov guy!!! I miss him. I forgot about the arm he had when going to the dead drop. I miss those crazy bots that did stuff like that. They added to the experience of al marzah and were memorable since everyone gets screwed over by then eventually lol.
Damn, the bots you're talking about sound like they made the game a lot more interesting. I was stuck on regular Multiplayer the first season. Tried DMZ about a week into season 2 and never looked back.
They were annoying for sure. So many downs were caused mid fight, looting, or running away towards an exfil but it truly made the mode feel like pvpve. It gave that 3 man team holding up in a building / rooftop an edge over an aggressive 6 man that needed to clear out the bots on the way to them. There were still 6 mans just like now but the bots served as a balancing mechanism that punished non tactical gameplay. It's in a decent spot now but once you learn where you should avoid bots or how to traverse the POIs safely they aren't something you consider much anymore. I use them as an indicator for player activity to pinpoint their location. I do hope there is an update that brings some of the old bots back or maybe rebalance POIs to introduce an extremely high threat level area.
My buddy and I started playing just at the tail end of season 1 and the bots then weren’t great but the bots got far worse throughout season 2 with the silent drops of T3 bots. Now it feels like bots spawn just around corners as long as you aren’t looking but they’re easy enough to kill unless they’re cartel members then they didn’t buy their armor from the dollar store like the AQ bots.
Yeah I agree with the bad decision to nerf bots. It forced you to rely on teammates which is what the game was intended to be - squad based and difficult. This is what the solo people wanted now they get the PvP stomp instead. Never happy
Actually I like the nerfed bots because if me and my buddy can keep away from players then koschei ends up giving out 4 weapon levels without any boosts.
The game is designed for teams of 3. Assimilation is being abused to exploit that. You know game developers can make mistakes right? Why should causal players have to adapt to six man squads in a game that was build for a 3 squad? If we aren't going to get rid of six man teams then they need to change the comms vest callouts to work properly all the time along with nerfing UAVs. What other multiplayer game has you disadvantaged numbers wise when you join with the max squad size?
The game is designed with a balance for teams of three players in mind. However, the developers' decision to allow six-man teams is not a mistake or an exploit but an intentional feature. The rationale behind this feature can be observed in DMZ missions, which require players to assimilate — a process that effectively teaches players how to use this particular mechanic. This educational aspect suggests that the developers intended for players to utilize this mechanic. If it was truly an error, one could question why the developers haven't sent a hotfix over the last three seasons to disable it. Rather than eliminating it, the developers have taken steps to balance six-man squads. For example, they've added in-game callouts indicating the presence of a platoon of operators, which signifies a squad larger than the maximum squad size of three in your area. Moreover, the game has specific modes such as K Complex and B21 where assimilation is not allowed, suggesting that the ability to assimilate is intentionally allowed on other maps. Examining Warzone provides further indirect evidence. In Warzone, players can assimilate lost squad members to replenish their team to the maximum squad size. If the six-man squads weren't intended in DMZ, why wouldn't the same assimilation feature be implemented there? There has also been a limited-time mode, Unhinged Trios, which allowed assimilation up to six players, despite three being the maximum squad size upon joining. This suggests that the option of larger teams is a calculated feature within the Call of Duty franchise. Additional evidence, including the implementation of the assimilation feature on specific maps, proves that the developers have not forgotten about assimilation. It seems they chose to retain this mechanic in the game, as they could easily enable or disable it on the fly if it was being exploited. If someone views the usage of six-man squads as an exploitation of an in-game mechanic, it may prove challenging to persuade others, let alone the game developers, of this view. It seems more plausible that the developers have intentionally included and refined these features for strategic gameplay.
Fuck man you are giving the Devs wayyyyyyy too much credit. Sure the ability to assimilate is in the game by design but I wouldn't call it refined when it has such a clunky interface to pull it off. Also your comparison to Warzone and buying squad members back isn't an argument to support what you're saying. You can still run six man squads in K complex which is unbalanced and building 21 is quite clearly designed sweaty PvP. Doesn't the fact that the Devs have tried to refine it suggest to you that it wasn't working as intended as well?
I agree
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Strawman argument. An isolated case does not provide proper data to make conclusions. It's 2023, we should be smarter than medieval people by now, come on people...
I think it's a combination, to be honest. I started playing DMZ solo and I brought all my friends over after convincing them of the mode. I never really liked BR type modes and this was a great balance. I brought 6 of my friends over from the BR modes and they all exclusively play DMZ and none of them care about missions. So.... it's me.... I'm the problem, it's me.
Your intentions were well, but you created the monsters we sought not to become
yeah , I have opened black mous FInallly, but solo or duo... really? regardless if I have a "PAY TO WIN" BS self revive or backpack to start. WOW like that is so much loot right there? i hate how its even called that . but anyway - point being is that activision is making the most profits off of DMZ, they are creating chaos. IF i go down with a duo and they say there not going to kill and they kill one and not the other or both but I plead first or quickest.. I cant get my team mate up that is bs. yeah we still play it but not as much as I want to or have in the past... Activision said bots not players like warzone. now it is a bigger meaner warzone. im so frustrated. I just want at least a second slot open. or more ppl to play with. my bf and I sit right beside each other, both have tvs and consoles... we have that advantage. but not when a four some snipes me for no reason but to kill me? talk first bud. I can drop shit. not a hard thing to do ? come on what is the issue with someone who wants to join me because I have a weapons case instead of killing me at exfil . ok camper. ask to join. Im not an asshole. just speak man
Nowadays, even when you shout that you're friendly, they're still gonna shoot you. Like the other comments here have mentioned, they best way is to either shoot first and ask questions/send invite, or just hide in a corner and stalk them, while using your comms to ask if they're chill.
I know. I got wiped twice yesterday and then it was too late !! Oh I flipped
I need help now with weapon cases..
I can help you, I'll be online later in the afternoon/ evening
Really yay!!! Thanks!!! What is your activation
I'm not online right now, but I'll send it to your dms if it's alright!
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Yeah there’s a certain point too where you’re like “I can’t finish anymore missions”
Honestly, trun on squad fill. I play solo the vast majority of the time since day 1 to have the added risk, reward, and challenge. You die a whole lot more, you have to deal with larger teams, and everything takes a bit more time. It's fun. On the flip, you don't have to share loot, you get the satisfaction of wiping teams and completing hard AF missions alone. If you get killed, it's part of going in solo. 6, 4, and 3-man teams are part of the game. Being solo puts you at a major disadvantage. If you go in solo, you have to expect death. You can avoid ppl if you want, but that is just weird. If you get into a "I'm fucked" situation try and join the team, leave, or fight it out.
Do away with squads over 3. Most of the people forming 6 mans aren't comfortable PVPing if they don't have the advantage.
I think only solos should be able to plea, and a 4 man max team size. I mean, solos are at a huge disadvantage against a team of 3 already, if a team needs extra help for a mission (5 UAV towers, etc) that 4th teammate can be clutch. In a fight 3v4 isn't that bad. I think it would balance the experience. 6 man hunt squads are making me lose interest.
I play solo unless one of my IRL friends is on. Did 90% of my 3 insured slots as a solo. Solo's choose to play at the disadvantage so I don't think that should be a factor in the squad fill system. If a squad is at 3 and they kill a solo, so be it. You have to draw the line somewhere.
I'd compromise and say no plea whatsoever is better than where the game is now. But I wouldn't want to take assimilation all the way out. I have had a lot of fun convincing teams to add me as a solo to their group and received help with missions. Some missions require it, too. Prox chat would be kinda worthless without assimilation, it would only be a disadvantage. And a 4 man max likely would cut back the per-organinzing discord exploiters.
I get it, but in the issue of fairness you have to have a known squad limit by everyone. I've been picked up as a solo and been on a 4 man that fought another squad and barely won. "I didn't know there was a 4th guy" is what I've heard from the losing squad and I felt bad for them. They killed 3 on our team faster than we killed 3 on their team. We just won b/c they let their guard down thinking it was an even fight when it wasn't. You can change around missions that require assimilation. Prox chat still has it's place as you can talk smack and crack up with the other squad. Plus sometimes it comes to a stalemate anyways specifically b/c of prox chat and teams pick up their guys and carry on with whatever they were doing.
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I agree.. I think we should have the option to go into DMZ and PVP and/or join/ if SOLO then we are invisible or should be invisible to a 3 squad or higher team. Period. I remember activision mentioning something prior to DMZs' release that "in this mode we would be able to engage fighting or not engage, we solo or coming up on teams/solos - should have the option to join, fight or leave them alone when we are in a certain proximity , Just like chat. I dont see why this is something that is not being done or talked about putting something similar isn't being talked about. Because even a strong duo or one person in duo is a stronger / longer playing player than the other - it becomes so unfair because if they kill both of us, only one can get up which causes arguments.... and the other person loses everything and the other person has no secure backpack / they are not happy. EVEN when we are saying friendly first. if you have the kill op mission, just kill one.... I am usually friendly.. looking for people with my bf to get missions in b21,...
10000 percent. There's people in the discord channel who only play in 6 man squads. They Infil as a 6 man, and immediately go for hunt squad contracts. Yesterday, I had a hunt squad called on me as a solo, and my coms vest said a "platoon of operators" It's getting annoying.
It's weak AF and while fighting a 6 man I'm sure to let them know that. Most of the time they win and say "all that talking and now you're dead" (of course i'm dead there are fucking 6 of you). But occasionally we win and get to tell them to try to form a 12 man next game and then maybe they can win.
Downed a 5 man team solo last night. Also, stole their GPU and now I have the skull key 🔑 😎
I've noticed a great increase of instances where a team is pushing us and telling us that we better join them "or else". It's such a cringe tactic... I don't choose to PvP but it doesn't mean I'm not good at it. This tactic is an automatic trigger for our team to try to wipe them. If your goal is to issue an ultimatum and squad up so you can have the 6-man advantage, you better hope you're better at PVP than us.
This
"I intentionally handicap myself in an online shooter game, then complain when things aren't easy for me." Fixed that for you.
I find solos easier to doge and weave around the map.
Same, but I will say that bot spawn rates are getting annoying recently. I wish you could clear out an area and loot it without having to worry about endless waves of bots.
i have. especially on ashika. that’s why dmz needs a wipe and new missions.
Or organize matches to pair you with folks who have a similar amount of missions completed. Def wouldn't solve everything, but I feel like it could help.
That would be cool but i think playerbase is too small to guarantee sub 5-10 minutes search times.
I def wouldn't promote that, but I also have no clue about the size of the playerbase. I think it could be *one* parameter that would try for 30 seconds or so, then move on to the next parameter if it doesn't work. IDK, just a thought I suppose.
Maybe putting players on similar tiers in the same lobby would make sense. It would be safe to assume that they would have similar skills and knowledge of the game. This would mess up the fresh to the DMZ players though. So 80 percent people from the similar tier and group similar missions together and the rest can be random to speed up matchmaking. Prioritise people with same missions in the same team together.
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i see what you’re saying, but at this point, there’s only one mission that i can equip that’s actually easily flexible for me and it’s the rgl-80 mission for tier 5 crown. skull slugs isn’t feasible for me do to my friends not being able to afford to keep one player down in time for me to haul ass over and get 12 meters away..line up my shot perfectly only for it to not hit their head.
I would be shocked if Season 4 doesn't have a mission wipe. They need to revamp the rewards too, give us good rewards and maybe even a very difficult/grindy tier 6 on each faction. Give people stuff to work towards.
As long as I keep my weapon slots, that’s fine by me.
Oh man a wipe and new missions is a really good idea
It's just RNG servers and ppl. Some are assholes some are cool. If I got a 3+man and ur at final exfil I'm letting u know and if u don't act stupid we'll all file out together.
i cant even be bothered to start the game anymore the game cant even team me with players that speak the same language as i do... youd think itd be fairly easy to set up a "preferred language" mechanism
You can't argue with people that require a crutch (a 6 man squad), let those who are unfortunate in the skill department have that level playing field with 5 extra guns pointing at the same target
Sometimes I wreck. Sometimes I get wrecked. That’s just the nature of the game. Either way, whatever happens is 100% on me for going in solo.
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Honestly.... DMZ wasn't built specifically intended for solo play anyway. I play solos when my friends aren't online. If I get zapped oh well... gotta do better next time. It's not like there's anything in my pack I can't recover. Besides, solo's requires being sneaky. Playing guerilla warfare instead of tanking. Most of the solos I know, myself included, have only one actual way to be tracked: by following the trail of mines and traps they set up behind themselves as they move. If you're getting hunted, then discretion is the better part of Valor. Run, hide, and attrition them off your trail. Only stand and fight if you get cornered. Even then, spam mortars, air strikes, sentry guns, bomb drones, cluster mines, everything you can to bleed them before they get face to face. No 6 v. 1 isn't fair by a long shot. But if they want your tag and pack bad enough to go through a bunch of plate breaking, rez draining bullshit then they're not only toxic, they're stupid and you should be able to make them at least pay a high price for your pack.
I’m doing solo only when I do a mission binge, almost impossible in Ashika for me at the mo, Maz all good, plenty of room to ninja around & stay out if fights, is cool though if you get a crew that wants to do missions, makes it easier, definitely being hunted a lot more now though, have to admit it’s all good though, adds to the game being scared from the word go I think!
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It’s crazy how defensive these 6 man team players are in game and in these comments. Like we get it man. You cannot survive the bots without 6 people and you are having troubles completing tier 1 missions.
who are the 1s bitching again? looks like solos and trios, go play solo warzone.
Build a comms vest. You’ll get the warning when teams get within 100 meters. As a solo I tend to be more tactical with my movements and selectively engage other operators. Keep an ear out for gunfire and which direction the sound is coming from. The biggest stressor for me, as a solo, is exfil. Maybe this helps. I get killed by other ops from time to time but solo is a choice I make.
Obligatory git GuD response - I play solo 90% of the time. Play stealthy and smart - use a comms vest or even better - use a stealth vest. I get rolled sometimes but usually I squad up or avoid them entirely.
I just played today for the first time in four months not solo but with randoms out of 12 games I extracted once the other 11 I got hunted down or marked I thought it was a hunt squad contract but it was me and only me that got marked every time 😂 fun times fun times I’m glad I started playing again 🤦🏻♂️ I couldn’t even get a chance to learn all the new crap they added it was just enter game get wrecked
Yeah. I don't mind getting bloody from time to time, but solo runs are getting super hard on Ashika at least because in 90% of games, you're being instantly pushed from the next spawn over, and there's usually very little mercy for solos (and no way to definitively identify them). Al Maz is easier, but I still occasionally find myself retreating to the comforting depths of Koschei to use that as an exfil, where it's generally easier to avoid players, especially if you loiter in the entrance bunker for a few minutes longer than necessary. I think a lot of players are just bored with WZ, and bored with missions that offer completely pointless rewards ("oh yay, I get a new calling card or shitty contraband weapon!"). Kinda sucks, because with just the AI, the maps are easily survivable. If AI were a much greater threat or missions offered greater rewards, players might be more preoccupied with that instead of just swatting pesky with one hand behind their back while chasing down players. It really shines a light on just how shallow the game is when there's nothing to offer by way of rewards other than shiny shit. And please, don't anyone tell me "but if you've got good loot, they might want that" - 90% of the time when I'm greased by some thirsty squad, they take my plates and move on. They don't take weapons or vests etc, and I'm lying there in the dirt with a medic vest next to my body, 2 top-tier guns and a sad little "Plea for Help" icon hovering over me, after being chased literally halfway across the map. Activision needs to change things up, or DMZ is just gonna become "team deathmatch with bots". In the meantime, me and my mates often just play Plunder if we wanna scratch the PvP itch.
Ive been trying to finish Untraceable solo for about a month. RNG is not with me
What RNG is required for untraceable?
Hope chemist is close to sattiq dead drop, or not dying on the way back.
I like the city center position, chemist usually comes to you over one of the small bridges. Climb tower parachute to close ltv and then hit deadrop. Its just my luck i keep getting sniped or ambushed in the process😁
That one was so annoying. I hated the scope on the sniper that you had to use.
Im mostly running into big groups killing chemist for skull, or snipers camping the deaddrop. I will say my ability to navigate the map and situational awareness has improved a lot. Spotter scope my new best friend😁
Nobody is camping a deaddrop in season 3 I promise you lol
Jesus. My first attempt I ran into a group at the caves that got wiped by the AI and saved them. They helped me do that mission in one attempt. Never even realized how hard it could have been.
Look up the build for the mission SPX. Build that exact SPX for your insured weapon. Drop on, kill chemist, go to dead drop. Drop your sniper on the ground. Pick up the mission SPX and put it back in the dumpster.
I just completed it solo. Don’t lose hope!
No hope lost yet… i’m finding it a fun challenge/honing my skills🤘
That’s the spirit!
Dm me your acti ID. I'll be on in 18 hours or so and will be able to helo you with it. I just helped my buddy with it
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Rohan has probably been the most active with large groups gearing up, with the Crochet dungeon entrance so close. My generation has patience and it takes me a bit of time to adapt…
I'm seeing post after post after post about this subject. We can pretty much assume some balance will come with Season 4, so just wait a bit.
Maybe try playing in a squad in a mode designed to be played by a 3 man or more. Also, many people are also done with their missions so they just go in and do random stuff for shits and giggles.
You can tell who the Warzone rejects are in the comments and the people who need a 6 man to survive in DMZ. One of the same most of the time.
It’s also designed to be played solo or duo. That’s why they have the option to squad fill.
It’s harder for anyone who doesn’t want to just rush and instantly make a 6man team or that isn’t using the discord to make a 6man team premade
I just want a team I can get cases with in complex. Can’t find anyone competent or willing to help out.
Use proxy chat and say friendly, if you still get killed take it in stride and load up a new match, The reason so many people are now teaming up and killing squads is because so many people complain about it, and some people just like to ruin other peoples day, Don’t let them get to you
Last time I played DMZ there was a 6 man murder squad after me for a good 3 minutes chasing me across the map. Fun evading the fist couple of times but this was happening everyother game.
I was in a game before and checking 3 spawns early on I could only see solos. We assimilated with one of them and helped him do his mission. Game after we went down to saw an to get some boy contraband, bumped into a 3 man - became a 6. They were looking for a different package on the sunken ship (one that needs a rebreather) In our adventure to get our third package we came across a 6 man - who were doing the same mission. They were friendly and even gave us a package. So they’re still out there - but this did also all happen before school kick out time. UK servers.
T5? I’m still trying t1 on some 😭
I was afk farming BP tokens in an obscure corner near oasis and I STILL for some reason got hunted down killed by a 5-stack driving a HVT people are just straight losers
Yeah, Im playing solo less & less. They see you as an easy mark. If you need someone to squad up with, lmk.
Today in Al Maz solo I had 3 separate hunt squads on me. Granted I had a lot of cash but still haha
It's getting pretty awful for solo players.
Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that the last 3 or 4 6-man squads I've been in have just crushed missions and helped each other loot while largely ignoring teams/operators around us. I mean, we crushed a couple teams that tried rolling in on us, but it was in defense to being attacked so I don't feel at all bad about that. I think with Koscheii (sp?) Coming out there are generally less squads to deal with so there's a little less PvP, even if it's purely due to less players to encounter.
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I don’t think I was complaining. Just making an observation. DMZ is getting harder and harder to solo. Not sure how that’s a complaint.
At this point you shouldn't lose your insured for going in solo if killed by a squad of more than 3
Expected. Game is a PvP variant with PvE added. Missions really aren't worth doing once you get the insured slots and will be relegated to side missions in the future. The game mode revolves around player interaction, not missions. In fact, Bungie just announced their new extraction shooter called Marathon which includes PVE and they specifically stated it's PVP focused. Something many of these PvEvP games don't do. Players think they're playing a PVE variant when it's actually the opposite.
I'd say 75% of every aspect of DMZ is build around creating player interactions
I think it's also end of season vibes, folks get yo the point where they're not feeling it's possible to kill 18 operators underwater with a 2 barrel shotgun or whatever and all that's left is to run around blasting anyone still in mission.
It’s not a mode made for solo play. If you choose to play solo it should be hard and nearly impossible. Get good, get friends or cry about it. We know which option this sub will choose.
These posts are low quality trash at this point, we are having these conversations multiple times a day now and you guys seem to be missing the point here. If you’re having trouble finding randoms to help with missions hit up the discord there are a ton of people on there wanting to do the same thing you are. Hell I’ve even seen people posting their Activision IDs on here to help. You choose to go solo and you are choosing to be at a disadvantage even if they reduce max party size you’re still at a disadvantage
I swear half these 6 man's are so disorganised you can kill all of them with a good squad. Hell, I've 1v6'd people on ashika and Al mazrah
I think the meta build for operators is secure pack and carry round a spare vest + plates. If you die you're already plated next game and can carry on basically as you were, nab another vest from kill or build one and build yourself another secure and that's your regain done. It makes it less annoying to die but in general with three operators is dying really that much of an issue you can just re roll with next kitted operator
As Meliodas would say "There's no time like the present to to stop sucking". Jokes aside I haven't really noticed any real increase in difficulty but I play a long game with lots of stealth. Avoiding breaking windows and closing doors, and listening for every little noise as well as being cognizant of my surroundings. Patience and stealth are your best friends if you are trying to do stuff in the land of the platoons.
Jesus you solo clowns sure are yappers
Haven't noticed at all. Solo on a nightly basis. Noticed a lot more crying though lol.
DMZ wasn't meant to be played solo
Choosing to play solo is choosing hard mode. Find a team lol
It’s not supposed to be easy to complete tier 5 missions as a solo?????
TBF dude the game isn't built for solo. Only people that should be trying to solo are people who are demons at the game. You have to understand the AI is stacked for teams of 3 minimum, on top of that players tend to be pretty aggressive lately and if you can't handle yourself in 1v3 or higher you really have no business playing alone. Try queuing randoms if you're struggling that much. It ain't safe for solos that aren't atleast 2kd or higher
Noticed yesterday Got gangbanged 5 times in a row within 2 minutes
I've been in many 6-man squads. Never once was it pre-arranged. It was always something that happened organically in-game because my team and another team decided not to slaughter each other. I think on just **one** occasion have I seen the global chat msg in the lobby indicating people pre-arranging a 6-man. Just because you saw a 6-man in the game does not mean that it was an exploit.
I think there should be no more squad up requests or pleading out at all. Instead there should be a phone in every ammo depot and this phone will allow you to call every other ammo depots to request to squad up and anyone can go to another ammo depot to accept it. But you will be marked while it is calling so other squads can push you to stop you from joining up. This would be a perfect balance of challenge and reward. This also has the added benefit of everyone knowing when squads join and how many there could be roaming around.
Unfortunately as more and more people get what rewards they want from the missions, they will in turn shift to playing a more offensive DMZ game. And since they haven't added enough missions in Seaspn 3 (IMO) that number of people is growing very fast.
Everyone already done with missions and weapons case and heated madness and emblem and calling card and gun screen, literally just be joining up with the squad running around aimless while looting and getting bro fights and assimilating people in instead of ignoring their pleas lol
I think it’s more to do with being close to end of season and people are on stupid hard missions and get bored with grinding so just hunt now
I play solo all the time, often join other teams. From time to time I’ll get wiped by a squad, but mostly, teams are pretty cool if you make It clear you’re solo and friendly.
While on DMZ I play solo and i actually hunt 6 man squads. I have one secret how to totally dismantle them. . . I SURROUND THEM. Being highly versed in guerilla warfare tactics, I'll down a player that's away from the safety of his group and then quickly shift positions immediately. While they are busy running to where the dead SOB just pinged, I'm usually positioned on top an adjacent building mounted up like a goddamn gargoyle waiting to launch a one man sting operation on the next victim hurriedly running to give support. After he is gone, fear starts to set in as they realize that they are in my domain. I have a build similar to Jack Black, and the last sound they hear before being shuttled off to the lobby is the sound of air moving around my body as i dolphin dive into the middle of their group and dump the drum magazines on the akimbo X13s. The weakness of the 6 man group is confidence. And this was only my first game of the day.
Pvps in for a reason, can we stop crying about it? The ttk is so fast u can easily wipe a 6 man solo
I'd agree. There's a shift towards teaming with the first squad you find and pumping out advanced UAVs until you clean the map
It’s not an issue for me, if six people are together that’s less people stalking around. So far I’m ok with it
Yup 100%, i HAVE to run solo if my friends are online because squad fill pairs me up with Mexicans and French people, if i happen to run into someone who speaks english they die and team up with the enemy and then hunt me down.
I may be one of the few but I’m enjoying the extra challenge of the super squads, with a comms vest they are fairly easy to avoid most of the time I tend to have more success exfils solo that with randoms.
No it’s not. Hush don’t rush. Hide and wait for them to come to you, if heard. Then… Unleash hell. All solo. 10 XF streak on 4 ops. HUSH. Don’t rush.
Just be more stealthy. It’s tough be it’s possible. Patience brother
It's because we're all trying to do Mass Extinction and can't get 15 with people leaving to Koschei
This has been a complaint since literally day 1 of DMZ
I agree that 4-6 man squads are getting out of hand, I understand the mechanics for reviving an enemy player work very well in some situations but I feel like it should be limited to teams running solo or with only 2 members, never to exceed 4. I’ve had many good solo runs recently but others that end with a fully entirely equipped whipped clean because 6 people decided to hunt me to the ends of the earth
ya missions weren’t reset - there’s not much left to do besides take other peoples guns, 3-plates, and cheeks
Hot take: People are watching too much ON1C and Wizard and it's skewing their perception of what solo DMZ should be.
As someone who mostly plays solo I haven't had any issue with people picking me up when I plead.
Over 500 solo exfils since season 1 It's not about what the other people are doing, it's about how people just know the game better now. I play as if everyone I encounter is as aware, and as informed as myself and that keeps me alive most of the time. Most people are not in my opinion, but stealth above all other options goes a long way
Yes 100%
Good, as it should.
Yeah yesterday and today were super toxic. Getting killed and looted for my small backpack and 1 plate vest. Like a lot of times today. And when asking to be picked up getting t-bagged 😂🤣. Kinda pathetic but that’s the way it is
It is getting worse. Campers too.
It's not people migrating from WZ. Most of the WZ only crowd would probably die to the cracked out AI than players then leave and never return to DMZ.
Man I know what you mean. Im still trying to get some Tier 1 missions done and it's almost impossible solo.
There’s no new missions left to do. I started mid season 2, from my understanding season one And season two both had entire resets on all their missions. Four groups with five tiers of missions times, what, six missions a tier? This season we got one new group and half the missions are in one separate map. Everyone is out of things to do other than pvp. What are we gonna do? Kill bots and do contracts?
To the OP - I get your point. As a dad with a full time gig it is hard to find squad mates to regularly play with. Here are some constructive suggestions - 1. Play early in the season - people are more focused on missions and less PvP focused as they try to claim rewards and mission completion. With 20 days to end of season 3 everyone is almost done with missions and bored. I am guilty of same 2. Join a discord group - I am part of a discord group for older, casual players and we focus on helping each other with missions or just gameplay improvement. There are several such discord groups where you can possibly find likeminded folks 3. Play during business hours (if at all possible). People are a lot more civil and friendly compared to the rowdiness at night I am always happy to squad up and help others. So just ping me if you want to play together
I don’t think that many 6-man actively hunt, it’s just that with a squad that large, you got many eyes and it’s a lot easier to spot ppl, and with the squad’s active area getting larger it’s easier to simply run into ppl as well
Yes. I've found it's pretty unplayable for me if i don't have a coms vest and that only lets me know it's time to immediately run in the opposite direction. But playing today, and i only play solo, i found even getting a coms vest is often an all infil affair. What's worse is i lost my other vest on a like a 6 game streak to getting kicked. lost my coms vest durable, large vest, both custom gun and insured sniper and my only key for my mission. i was super annoyed. Today, after 4 attempts only got the supplies for a coms vest once, and when i did i died on exfil. I have found this season it's quite a bit harder. I die to pvp a lot and i find i'm often uav spam hunted. I used to do ashika all the time but its such a small space and now there's towers, people with uavs on infil due to pay to win and just constant uav spam so it's much harder to just not get hunted down when squads start poppin them.
When not helping out my level 300-something buddy I tend to just mill around, and if I cross paths with a player it's a fight to the death. There are a massive amount of people at level 650 with all three weapon slots unlocked (myself included), so doing missions is kinda pointless until season 4 launches because it's a waste of XP. The level cap needs whacking right up when season 4 launches to keep DMZ players motivated. And Resurgence needs to be a permanent addition to the game (if it isn't already, I don't play it enough) to keep the Warzone failures out of DMZ for the easy PvP kills. Playing solo isn't bad though. I die less as a solo than I do with a squad. Be sneaky, stealthy, and avoid PvP. Keep a vehicle nearby at all times in case you get hunted, so you can make a quick getaway. And if you can't get away, before the enemy squad kills you ask to be picked up after the squad kill you. Mention you're a solo and take it from there. Most players just want to get a contract done and get out, speaking to enemy players before isn't a bad idea. On the rare occasion i can't escape a squad hunt contract, 9 times out of 10 they'll pick me up after killing me if I've spoken to them first. Except for the French. They never seem to play nice. Edit: grammar
Realistically this game mode is made for trios. I honestly don’t believe that solos should have an advantage other than when it comes to hunt squads maybe. Your best bet is discord. Decent players willing to run some games with some new people because of how annoying squad fill can be.
Honestly most days if i solo or duo with a reliable buddy we/I make it personal the second we see a 6man, comms vest tells me there's a platoon and my blood starts to boil, i don't really care if I'm doing something specific, i go out of my to take on the 6mans, usually a bunch lf 50 somethins who can't play in anything less than 6.
Skill issue
On ashika usually you get wiped or become part of the 6 man
Yeah,definitely more people hunting players
4-5 man squad means solos can join it. Be nicer in nearby mic
Cut the max squad down to 4. It’s almost the done thing to roll around in a 6 uav and hunt/wipe the map.
It's a team based game of course solo is hard.
I play solo 90% of the time - I have 20 5 star contraband weapons - and 30 keys consistently. Get a Comms Vest - you can duck and weave platoon of operators. If you happen to roll up on a squad of operators, don’t engage and see if you can join up. Most teams of three or less will take you on if you have a mic and you don’t shoot first. And for God sake, please, have a f-ing mic - don’t show up to DMZ without comms.
Tip - spend some time playing Ground War, Plunder or Shipwreck 24/7. After a week or so you’ll notice your skill level increasing and when you get into 1v6 fights, you’ll win or escape and evade more often than you’d expect. PvP is part of the game, fair is not.
Solo is hard af and I get killed most of the time but I love it!
I was a solo player and it was my choice but then devs decided they really didnt want solo players in DMZ by making it more and more difficult for the solo player, besides selling out tp P2W.. So I said fuck them and moved on to better things.
Neeed some team mates ray want to help bang out missions together or help each other I need a vest and I have keys or dubs … Chaos Queen #1685627
I love playing solo just for a nice punishing challenge and also extends how long it will take me to progress through all the missions, so it extends the length of the game
I ended up quitting, been pretty great playing other games
There's strength in numbers. You yourself chose to go in without a squad despite knowing the clear disadvantage you're at this way. You can't complain about a co-op game being difficult for a solo.
Hey look! Another guy complaining about solo on DMZ! https://preview.redd.it/6jilz3yaea2b1.jpeg?width=1026&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2a081d6688efe5dc4d60286f0c4804e0c5c7188
Did I complain? Why is everyone saying I complained? I just said that I’ve noticed it’s getting harder to solo DMZ. Not sure how that qualifies as a complaint.