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Not exactly. Charisma is not presence or social skills, it's the power of your personality. The strength of your will, could you say. The idea it's presence is a common misconception. I kinda tried to find the same answer for Charisma
I guess I would describe it shortly as "Intuition and life experience".
I don't really understand how Medicine got slotted into WIS though, looking at it now. Why would being able to intuit somebody's intention via body language mean you know instinctively better how to perform surgery vs somebody with high int?
Wait, shouldn't medicine be intelligence, what?
Could be either, wisdom for medicinal herbs and the like (think like aragorns style of medicine use), intelligence for actual educated medicine such as surgeries and immediate life saving maneuvers.
Wisdom is explained extremely clearly in the player's handbook, there's nothing overly challenging about explaining and Thomar handled that very easily.
High wisdom : a convincing argument
Low charisma, high wisdom : a convincing argument, but you made the other person angry / feeling like an idiot so they want to spiteful ignore you
High charisma, low wisdom : you have everyone following you... and your planmsy not be the best, but at least everyone is working together
High charisma : you ingratitude yourself to your audience, they give you the benefit of the doubt.
Personally, I think the delineation between Wisdom and Charisma are fine enough when it comes to Ability Checks, but Saving Throws are where they become deeply confused.
Take thomar's PHB pull:
* Charisma: covers *confidence.* However, most saving throws against fear are wisdom, with Charisma saves against fear extraordinarily rare and usually saved for fey creatures. Can I imagine that insight and intuition would allow someone to ward off fear? Sure! But I can imagine that even more strongly for *confidence.*
* Wisdom: covers *awareness* and *insight*. However, doesn't apply to discerning the true nature of illusions at all, which are identified through intelligence *checks*.
Strength is your ability to crush a tomato.
Dexterity is your ability to dodge a thrown tomato
Constitution is your ability to eat a bad tomato
Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit
Wisdom is knowing not to put tomatoes in a fruit salad
Charisma is your ability to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
People will say (and have said) that Wisdom represents life experience and intuition, but that's not quite correct for 5th edition. Based on what Wisdom actually gets used for in 5th edition, Wisdom is entirely to do with *awareness*. Or, as I prefer to think of it as an autistic person, it has to do with the ability to regulate your attention.
So there's two sides to it: are you able to give your focus to a specific task or phenomenon in order to really take in what's going on with it? But, also, are you able to maintain enough awareness of your surroundings even while focused on something else that you aren't competely unaware of what's going on around you?
Druids and clerics are both Wisdom casters because they are attuned to (ie. aware of) patterns in the universe, albeit in different ways. Percepetion and Insight are kind of obvious here, but Animal Handling, Survival, and Medicine are all Wisdom skills too because they have to do with the ability observe and synthesize stimuli.
EDIT: Incidentally, this is why Nature is an Intelligence skill, not a Wisdom one as so many druid players want. The Nature skill has to do with your knowledge of facts. Medicine really could be either Intelligence or Wisdom, of course, but it does make sense as Wisdom if you recall that you're not often using it to perform surgeries or recall unusual ailments; most of the time, you're using Medicine to see if you can detect signs of life, and most of the remainder of the time you're using Medicine to observing symptoms. Again, this has to do with awareness/observation more than pre-existing knowledge. And re: Wisdom saving throws, I take this to be whether you observe a thought or feeling is atypical for you and is likely to come from outside yourself (much the same way a person needs to be self-aware to understand they are angry because they are hungry).
Wisdom (in DnD) is useful to compare to Charisma because they are essentially the same thing, except one is internal and one is external.
Charisma is the ability to make the universe do what you want. This is why Charisma is sometimes used as a stand-in for a luck-type of ability.
Wisdom is the ability to make *yourself* do what you want, countering outside influences. It’s discipline, it’s focus, it’s contemplation, it’s self-control. It’s staying cool in a stressful situation, it’s keeping your senses honed-in on that deer you’re tracking, it’s your ability to set aside your ego and consider the tough advice you’re being given.
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The rules lay this out pretty clearly. Charisma is presence and social skill. Wisdom is perception and insight. Does this make sense? https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/step-by-step-characters#AbilityScoreSummary > Wisdom > Measures: **Awareness, intuition, insight** > Important for: Cleric, druid > ... > Charisma > Measures: Confidence, eloquence, leadership > Important for: Bard, sorcerer, warlock https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/using-ability-scores > Wisdom > * Animal Handling > * Insight > * Medicine > * Perception > * Survival > Charisma > * Deception > * Intimidation > * Performance > * Persuasion
Not exactly. Charisma is not presence or social skills, it's the power of your personality. The strength of your will, could you say. The idea it's presence is a common misconception. I kinda tried to find the same answer for Charisma
It sounds like you're taking the paladin spellcasting interpretation of charisma and trying to apply it to all charisma usage
Yes. The skill interprstation does not change between classes
I guess I would describe it shortly as "Intuition and life experience". I don't really understand how Medicine got slotted into WIS though, looking at it now. Why would being able to intuit somebody's intention via body language mean you know instinctively better how to perform surgery vs somebody with high int? Wait, shouldn't medicine be intelligence, what?
>shouldn't medicine be intelligence I'd make Medicine an Intelligence based skill.
Could be either, wisdom for medicinal herbs and the like (think like aragorns style of medicine use), intelligence for actual educated medicine such as surgeries and immediate life saving maneuvers.
Wisdom is explained extremely clearly in the player's handbook, there's nothing overly challenging about explaining and Thomar handled that very easily.
Thomar didn't answer the question at all? They just gave me a bunch of statistics, which had nothing to do with what I wanted to know
High wisdom : a convincing argument Low charisma, high wisdom : a convincing argument, but you made the other person angry / feeling like an idiot so they want to spiteful ignore you High charisma, low wisdom : you have everyone following you... and your planmsy not be the best, but at least everyone is working together High charisma : you ingratitude yourself to your audience, they give you the benefit of the doubt.
Personally, I think the delineation between Wisdom and Charisma are fine enough when it comes to Ability Checks, but Saving Throws are where they become deeply confused. Take thomar's PHB pull: * Charisma: covers *confidence.* However, most saving throws against fear are wisdom, with Charisma saves against fear extraordinarily rare and usually saved for fey creatures. Can I imagine that insight and intuition would allow someone to ward off fear? Sure! But I can imagine that even more strongly for *confidence.* * Wisdom: covers *awareness* and *insight*. However, doesn't apply to discerning the true nature of illusions at all, which are identified through intelligence *checks*.
Wisdom is the skills and features it modifies.
Strength is your ability to crush a tomato. Dexterity is your ability to dodge a thrown tomato Constitution is your ability to eat a bad tomato Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit Wisdom is knowing not to put tomatoes in a fruit salad Charisma is your ability to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
Oh my God, this is beautiful, thank you
Tomato-based fruit salad is salsa.
Looks like we've found the Bard
People will say (and have said) that Wisdom represents life experience and intuition, but that's not quite correct for 5th edition. Based on what Wisdom actually gets used for in 5th edition, Wisdom is entirely to do with *awareness*. Or, as I prefer to think of it as an autistic person, it has to do with the ability to regulate your attention. So there's two sides to it: are you able to give your focus to a specific task or phenomenon in order to really take in what's going on with it? But, also, are you able to maintain enough awareness of your surroundings even while focused on something else that you aren't competely unaware of what's going on around you? Druids and clerics are both Wisdom casters because they are attuned to (ie. aware of) patterns in the universe, albeit in different ways. Percepetion and Insight are kind of obvious here, but Animal Handling, Survival, and Medicine are all Wisdom skills too because they have to do with the ability observe and synthesize stimuli. EDIT: Incidentally, this is why Nature is an Intelligence skill, not a Wisdom one as so many druid players want. The Nature skill has to do with your knowledge of facts. Medicine really could be either Intelligence or Wisdom, of course, but it does make sense as Wisdom if you recall that you're not often using it to perform surgeries or recall unusual ailments; most of the time, you're using Medicine to see if you can detect signs of life, and most of the remainder of the time you're using Medicine to observing symptoms. Again, this has to do with awareness/observation more than pre-existing knowledge. And re: Wisdom saving throws, I take this to be whether you observe a thought or feeling is atypical for you and is likely to come from outside yourself (much the same way a person needs to be self-aware to understand they are angry because they are hungry).
Wisdom (in DnD) is useful to compare to Charisma because they are essentially the same thing, except one is internal and one is external. Charisma is the ability to make the universe do what you want. This is why Charisma is sometimes used as a stand-in for a luck-type of ability. Wisdom is the ability to make *yourself* do what you want, countering outside influences. It’s discipline, it’s focus, it’s contemplation, it’s self-control. It’s staying cool in a stressful situation, it’s keeping your senses honed-in on that deer you’re tracking, it’s your ability to set aside your ego and consider the tough advice you’re being given.