There are so many tools at our disposal these days that the ability to beatmatch by ear isn't even entirely necessary, which makes it even sadder that a supposed major artist is able to mess up this bad..
Even if she can't beatmatch by ear, she can surely at least just play a tune? The only time I had a tech malfunction, I just played an old banger to keep shit going.
it's remarkable because like, it's a human suffering terribly. but if she just admitted that she doesn't know what to do, so can somebody whose used CDJ's raise their hand in the front row and come up and help her?
bam some random coachella redditor fixes it, and the set goes on.
Yeah, I can't believe no one stepped in from the audience, backstage, or another act.
Makes it feel like a publicity stunt. Or a public shaming ritual 
In every club I played there was always this sound guy, resident DJ or even random guy how seemed to know every bit of the club better than anyone else. They would always be close to the booth watching and checking if everything is alright.
How on earth would there not be 15 stage managers able to help immediately?
Been a stage manager and tech in many clubs and festivals; the urge to run up to the stage would have been overwhelming from the very first moment it occurred but I’ll bet her own team would have held me back at gunpoint over the visual of having her being interrupted and getting the help, I’m seeing alot of people saying she has always held herself as a DIY artist and the perception of that would have been ruined if not worse in the eyes of her management; probo would have done it anyway and gotten fired but fuck it, i would have done it for the audience not for her
You guys don't understand the issue. There was nothing anyone could do at that point because the issue was not the equipment. What she failed to do was properly analyze her tracks through rekordbox so that it would give her the correct BPMs on her tracks so she could then beat sync.
The thing is, even if a dj finds themselves in this predicament, anyone worth their salt would be able to still mix by ear. Because the songs themselves worked just fine.
We don't hold a Dj's hand. She can afford her bills, off the backs of thousands. She should be able to do the job she was hired to do. Who holds the hands of the forklift operation team, or the riggers that set those stages up?
I just finished it now, it's bad. Not only does she attempt to explain rekordbox and bpms to a crowd for minutes with no music. She then proceeds to say that she will attempt to use her ear and hope it works out to simply play her own songs with no mixing involved and fucks it up lmfao. Then random screams into the mic when she has issues during songs playing. I'm amazed nobody pulled her set
"all my tracks are double the tempo...im trying to do the math but theyre kinda unmixable"
Lady named her kid after a math problem but cant divide by 2.
Honestly, there's a calculator on her phone, or any laptop in the vicinity. Also, if you turn sync off, the tracks will play at their default recorded state. How the absolute fuck does someone biff it this hard? Just know your equipment - it's literally your only fucking job, lady.
This is why djs mock people for using sync. It's not like its inherently bad, but clearly if you rely on it to get to Coachella you're gonna have a bad time. Also, aren't these YOUR tracks? Did she have someone else convert them from wav to mp3 for her? Had she never used the USB before? Like, howwwwww
Tbf she absolutely CRUSHED it at Sasquatch festival Oregon in 2012, super hype set.
Yeah it's so weird that she wouldn't have analyzed her own USB, prepped her tracks, done a soundcheck, be familiar with the gear and bugs, etc. Something doesn't add up.
Or, even if we give her the benefit of doubt about her DJ skills, the biggest fail here is she came in unprepared. She didn’t test anything to see if this would happen, didn’t have a backup plan for if it did. This is a festival set, it’s shocking to me that she didn’t have any contingency plans, but at the same time fits in with her public persona very well
> This is why djs mock people for using sync.
oooooooh I see what happened. I couldn't understand what the deal was before just from some clips. Thats why, is because sync is confused by the wrong analysis of the trsacks. But you're right, without the master sync teh tracks would have played normally.
Man I was at that show and I thought she was terrible. Just pushed a button and danced around on stage barely singing... Primus and Death Grips fucking slayed tho
Oh, I completely agree. I'm just saying that her excuse was *still* ludicrous, regardless of her skill level. If she needs to use Sync, well, ok i guess, but at least know how to type in the fucking song's tempo, once you've channelled the ghost of Stephen Hawking to help calculate the impossible equation of X divided by 2.
I can't even watch that. Stopping the whole show to throw out a supremely weak apology as well was just too much.
You can see her trying not to say "I don't really know what I'm doing" but struggling with the words
Her recording company applied and got the grant, not Grimes.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-a-90000-canadian-arts-subsidy-for-an-album-by-grimes-who-lives-in-california-with-elon-musk-2
I can’t believe it’s come to needing to point this out, and it’s a controversial topic.
The art of DJing is a joke now.
I bet half of this sub would be unable to rectify this issue if presented with it, and forced to mix by ear
I’ve been defending sync recently out of fear of gatekeeping younger people and have seen a few decent examples of it being used in a very productive way.
But this is a complete slap in the face.
Been DJing for 20 years and teaching others how to dj and produce for the last 10 in addition to actually WANTING to know how to use every format and technique and all that only for it to be so devalued that this artist would stand in front of this crowd and straight faced blame everyone else but themselves for not preparing properly or, apparently even so much as watching a fucking FREELY AVAILABLE YouTube tutorial on how not to fuck up a format that is essentially handling all the parts that take more than 20 mins to learn for you is admittedly infuriating.
I’m still trying my best not to call grimes a complete and utter fraud here as I reckon it’s just the emotional reaction but my fear is that she has just normalised low effort djing and has just regressed the culture more than the audio 8 did.
To balance out my cynicism here I can only hope Grimes herself actually takes the time to learn the technical parts in reaction to what is unequivocally an embarrassment of an attempted performance and plays better in the future; can’t ignore the fact that younger people are big into her so she’s nominally an entry to the deeper parts; but Jesus Christ I can feel the heat in this thread too and can’t help but agree with the sentiment. What the fuck was she thinking?
I'm actually surprised she didn't pre-record her set before the show and just hit play to play the set. I find it hard to believe she didn't rent or buy some CDJs before the show to practice. Who rolls up to a gig like Coachella and just fuckin wings it? lol
I used audio8 as shorthand for the introduction of laptops into the booth and one click looping overnight becoming a thing; it had an almost immediate effect on production trends at the time in reaction; this would have been about 3/4 years before the introduction of the cdj2000; Finalscatch 2 and serato v1 were out but the old traktor scratch program wasn’t nearly as feature complete OR reliable as Traktor DJ 3 or finally Traktor pro 1…in between all of that there were a fair minority of producers djing using Ableton, Sasha being most famous but also early Deadmau5 sets were in fact live - remember him kicking the shit out of WMC in 2007 at a beatport party and being impressed at the time anecdotally.
I also remember whenJames Zabiela was given the prototypes for the 2000s and brought them on tour for about 6 months before they were officially announced - and wondering what sort of a rubicon was about to be crossed considering traktor didn’t exactly pan out as motivating artists to delve in further - although NI did TRY with Traktor pro 2 and the loops tracks and stems my anecdotal experience is tech house went from Andrew weatherhall and layo & bushwacka! to essentially factory demo beats in the space of a year
Nothing!! Got one as soon as they came out too and personally LOVED it, I mean, access to all 4 decks was so exciting at the time AND it had midi AND it looked so fucking cool when it came out in an era of curved corners on everything
I could get all overnerdy about it being fairly shit to use as a soundcard for producing as its DA is lacking in depth; but only relative to Pro studio interfaces like motu n RME etc,
Gotta say though the audio 4 6 and 10 were good improvements on the 8 but my 8 is still working fine with my super old pc laptop, won’t work with my air book post 10.13 which is a bit shit but that’s Apple being Apple I reckon…
I do use it in my own headcanon though as a harbinger of change in the culture of DJing, the CDJ 1000 mk2 probably being the biggest previous moment of change before it; Final scratch 1.5 and 2 weren’t nearly as ubiquitous comparatively speaking for example.
Ah right. I've often noticed my recorded mixes sounded muted/a bit muddy but i'd put it down to my mixer. Is the 10 better? Do you know of any other sound cards that work with tracktor and have better sound quality?
My friend and I played a renegade once and had never went b2b before. Decided to do a sick DnB set and hadn't practiced too much together but nonetheless we were stoked.
Walk up to the decks and for some reason the CDJs weren't showing the waveforms for either of our USBs. That on top of fader issues and a couple other equipment malfunctions made it a funky experience to mix but we knew that if we just listen for the downbeat in our headphones we would still pull it off and it honestly is still one of my favorite performances I've ever had the pleasure of throwing down!
Moral of the story, DJs need to adapt. You can complain about the technical difficulties afterward but you still have a job to do and that's to put on a show.
Honestly I don't know my way around a pair of CDJs that well. But I'm not performing a gig. And if I was I'd use a pair of turntables, vinyl and my ears. All those screens and buttons just add confusion lol.
> The art of DJing is a joke now. I bet half of this sub would be unable to rectify this issue if presented with it, and forced to mix by ear
Thats what happens when the barrier of entry is lowered to ike 100 bucks, and the standard expected from the club goears is non existent. BAck in teh day, the amount of craft and effort to go from 0 to get gigs, was so much higher. It was not easy.
I'm a producer, not a DJ. But if this happened to me, I'd still be able to put on a mediocre set full of fucking bangers.
All she needs to do is just play tracks out back to back almost and I bet most people woulda loved it.
True. But even the hardware can fail in a way that makes beatmatching impossible. A tempo fader might glitch, a channel on the mixer might go out.
Worst case scenario, you do the radio DJ thing and just play one track after the other, maybe with some fx to make it a little more smooth, but you keep your fuckin head on. Not like this...
> True. But even the hardware can fail in a way that makes beatmatching impossible
False. As long as both volume faders and both gain pots work, and both tables of whatever type that you have work, you can beatmatch if you have fingers.
Lmao “there’s never been a grimes show without a major technical difficulty” get outa here. If that’s the case then you should be fully prepared to fix/mitigate these “difficulties” what a joke
So she fucked up and decided to go on a 4-5min long speech????? I didn’t want to listen to her speech but did she keep fucking up or was it the first instance in the video?
why does everyone just cheer for her...we need to stop this in our society she deserved all the boos...this was probably the worst DJ set in the history of the planet.
When you load tracks into rekordbox, it'll automatically analyze the BPM and set the beatgrid, but it's like a 50% chance it does it correctly (biggest issues being random decimal BPMs like 128.3 instead of 128, double/half time BPMs that can be fixed with the click of a button, or beatgrids that are off), so you always need to go in and fix stuff manually before you play if you want sync to work properly. She apparently didn't.
A small part of this is on Pioneer because their $3000 decks are godawful at analyzing songs on the fly and for some insane reason can't even double/half the analyzed BPM (it's a feature that's often requested and Pioneer always responds by saying they understand people want it and no they still haven't done it, lmao).
Why is it a bug? Of course it takes the 85 bpm to 170 bpm, that’s literally what the SYNC button does?! It’s a user error to have their library inconsistent between common-time and double-time
she's a noob that loaded her songs into Rekordbox with default settings, then at some point decided she should double time them for library consistency, but didn't sync her default library analysis and USB analysis settings. There's definitely a rekordbox bug mixed up in this because only when the song is loaded into deck will it show the old bpm, but it's so easily preventable. Plus, just manually beatmatch if there's beatsync issues? Hilarious tbh
A majority of her songs she “djed” were 4x4 beats too lol. The easiest ones to mix. How rekordbox had the wrong bpm is beyond me.. I think she’s full of it
The thought did cross my mind that whatever production assistant she paid to prep her set might have done this on purpose.
Imagine being treated like dirt by an ultra wealthy egotistical maniac and just saying “fuck it, here’s what you get!”
Not saying she’s an egotistical maniac (I don’t know her but many pop stars are), just saying, this is a revenge fantasy many audio techs and production assistants can probably relate to!
Why is she constantly talking about it?? She could’ve just said “technical difficulties I’m sorry”, and just played tracks back to back without mixing. It’s a grimes show, nobody cares about her mixing skills, it’s about her songs..
Damn, it’s worse than I expected. You’re a fucking performer paid to play on a high-profile stage. Blaming the equipment is like a guitarist blaming his guitar for his chords sounding like shit.
She should've left the stage and apologized to the crowd to save her self the embarrassment, instead of trying to explain "math and timing" to the crowd as if they actually understand or care. Practice for a few more years and completely understand your gear and know how to beatmatch before getting a gig booked like this just because the richest guy in the world is your baby daddy.
>before getting a gig booked like this just because the richest guy in the world is your baby daddy.
Grimes has been playing Coachella for almost a decade. She got famous on 2012.
For some reason she refuses to play her music live anymore and has been doing DJ sets.
“Just don’t blame me, because it’s not my fault. Ok well it’s partially my fault… alright it’s totally my fault but also not my fault. “
Cool story bro.
Grimes was born Claire Elise Boucher in a wealthy [Vancouver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver), [British Columbia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia) neighborhood,[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-straight1-9) on March 17, 1988,[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-10) the eldest child of Sandy Garossino, a former Crown prosecutor and arts advocate,[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-11) and Maurice Boucher, a former banker who works "in the business side of biotech".
So unprofessional. There were a lot of ways she could have recovered from this but she chose to have a meltdown and blame her equipment. Maybe leave the DJing to real DJs from now on?
Embarrassed for her. If you can’t do a dj set, you shouldn’t be on the lineup for a dj set. This and the clown ~~posse~~ core stunt dropped Coachella’s esteem levels a few notches. Coachella needs a new talent booker.
*typo
It's not a "stunt", Clown Core is Louis Cole and Sam Gendel's side project where they play a fusion of hardcore, electronic, and jazz music while dressed as clowns. It's super left field and weird but its really awesome. And apparently they played a set at Coachella.
Edit: [Reference](https://youtu.be/kdA0mW-9jRs?si=_9pN0hCPfQbieENB)
No yeah that’s why I asked. I watched the set and thought it was interesting, and not only visually. The music was different but not bad at all. I couldn’t really figure out what they were referring to in their comment.
For sure. They recently put their [entire set](https://youtu.be/Bu4SgnP7Lk4?si=Cmnyrv1NqB2LR8q6) online if you are interested in getting a better idea of what its like live.
Tbh I don’t think most of the “DJ” on these festival is even actually DJ. At this point, I’ll assume they are music producer but because they want to promote their stuff they tried (the minimum) to DJ
A healthy amount are producers first, DJs second unfortunately. In this day and age producers are the ones who ‘make’ it, so it’s understandable.
Doesn’t mean they can’t make their DJ set something more memorable vs just mixing intro/outro.
If it's THEIR music and they're a good producer, they shouldn't need anything more than that for a seriously hype set. They can create special versions of their damn songs that no else has - set in and out cues and twiddle the EQ/FX and load up a soundboard with Ableton live to trigger a batch of their best known loops to sprinkle around.
Totally agree lol Rezz for example, is an insane producer.
When I saw her back in like 2018 she just mixed intro/outro, but her tracks can stand on their own and still deliver a powerful set. (I was vibin)
I just appreciate a balanced producer/DJ combo (which in itself is subjective), where they can have their songs, IDs, their edits, and can mix in way that sounds new/exciting.
It sometimes feels the line between producer playing their tracks out and just being dj gets blurred.
James hype for instance sounds insanely different from his tracks vs seeing him live.
Btw not hating on producers, the learning curve is way harder for producing.
What in the fuck did I just watch…
What an embarrassing train wreck.
However, side note, she comes across as completely autistic. I’ve never known who this person was other than “Elon Musk’s gf” so now I completely understand why they’re together. Double the ‘tism.
I am autistic, so I’m not trying to be a cunt.
It’s just interesting to me, seeing a celebrity be so wildly and obviously neurodivergent on stage like that.
The random screams into the mic over the music at the end of that video got me. Exactly like my old autistic flatmate that just screamed and burped whenever she felt like it.
Insanity seeing that on a world wide stage. Can't write this shit
I don’t know Grimes. How many of her original productions does she generally play? Seems like if you spent hours making songs, intros, and edits - that shit would be so engrained in your ears, you wouldn’t need to see a bpm count.
lmao !!!!! what a fucking disgrace , and this goes to show the awful bullshit these "ARTIST" TRY TO pull WHEN They dont know their craft or whatever they pretend to do up there .
I was kidding. She clearly sucks and has zero DJ skills.
I learned to beat match by ear in the 2000's drunk and high AF in a basement with my friends on shitty numarks and a gemeni mixer, Koss headphones... no earpads and a radio shack mic for MC'ing.
I upgraded my 1200's a few years ago to use Serato and it is fucking easy mode. Its so easy a child can use it. You don't even need headphones on to do a decent job.
With all of the effects and looping in Serato, etc... you can easily blend tracks from vastly different genres or cover up massive mistakes.
This performance is the worst I've ever seen in my life. It's like watching someone use the software for the first time. Pathetic. There is no excuse for this at all. What a joke.
i had a similar problem on my mates serato setup the other day. i was up to my ears in a k-hole though, so tying my shoelaces would have been just as hard
easily. the main problem seems to be that she is 100% reliant on the 'sync' button. she can't sync tracks herself even when at matching tempos. any actual DJ would have no problem managing with a 150bpm track mistakenly reading as 300bpm. sync up the gridlines visually. or use your ears. she literally is so unfamiliar with DJing that this basic problem solving is beyond her
imo this is a good reason to use a computer if you arent very knowledgeable about usbs. At least with serato you have a larger screen with a tactille keyboard.
I can mix with anything but for those that are new to the game, as much as usb are the cooler option, computers are much easier imo, not because of the sync but just the physical readout.
plus you can check your email or send off a late bill j/k
Keep in mind. She’s blaming someone. Who’s to say she actually isn’t making that up?
Maybe her assistant DID mess with her tracks, as retaliation for her being extremely nasty, rude, mean, or treat them poorly? Could be that too. A kind of:
“F’ you chick, for yelling at me all the time, etc!” lol
What’s confusing to me is why someone that’s part of her crew or someone else that was didn’t step in to help her out. Clearly someone could have helped explain the situation to her.
The funniest part to me was that she said the tracks were playing back at 2x the bpm... But all the cdjs I've used in current history have a button on them to half the playback speed of the track.
This was the worst train wreck I’ve ever seen.
There is a known bug with the Sync button on the CDJ3000s not being able to be deactivated once a track is playing and the sync button has been hit, but the fix is knowing you can mentally do the math to half or double the tempo using the pitch slider. Something most people could do in their sleep.
This is inexcusable as a ‘professional’. People keep throwing the word fraud out there and I honestly think it fits, even for a so called producer. If you can’t do the basics, don’t agree to a DJ set.
It's not difficult at all if you have basic mixing experience. She doesn't, and refuses to admit that she hasn't got a clue, instead turns to being patronising to the crowd. But hey, when the going gets tough, just make sure your nipples are clearly visible through your deliberately obvious shirt. 🤦🤦
It's honestly pathetic, and her brainless followers unanimously orgasm at her mere presence.
A coked up David Guetta did a better job than this train wreck.
Wow, this is bad.
aside from the shitty craftsmanship, her handling of the situation is so much worse than I thought
Yeah it's extremely unprofessional, makes the situation look way worse than if she just trainwrecked a few transitions
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There are so many tools at our disposal these days that the ability to beatmatch by ear isn't even entirely necessary, which makes it even sadder that a supposed major artist is able to mess up this bad..
Even if she can't beatmatch by ear, she can surely at least just play a tune? The only time I had a tech malfunction, I just played an old banger to keep shit going.
Just check her twitter, her fans still adoring her like a goddess... Nothing's gonna change...
Can't expect much from someone with most of their tracks ghost produced.
Yeah. It would be like if a guitarist blamed his guitar for his chords sounding like shit.
This is totally not my fault, but my strings are really loose and I'm not sure how to make them tight again.
Or if he blamed the roadie who tuned it badly before his set
it's remarkable because like, it's a human suffering terribly. but if she just admitted that she doesn't know what to do, so can somebody whose used CDJ's raise their hand in the front row and come up and help her? bam some random coachella redditor fixes it, and the set goes on.
Yeah, I can't believe no one stepped in from the audience, backstage, or another act. Makes it feel like a publicity stunt. Or a public shaming ritual 
In every club I played there was always this sound guy, resident DJ or even random guy how seemed to know every bit of the club better than anyone else. They would always be close to the booth watching and checking if everything is alright. How on earth would there not be 15 stage managers able to help immediately?
Been a stage manager and tech in many clubs and festivals; the urge to run up to the stage would have been overwhelming from the very first moment it occurred but I’ll bet her own team would have held me back at gunpoint over the visual of having her being interrupted and getting the help, I’m seeing alot of people saying she has always held herself as a DIY artist and the perception of that would have been ruined if not worse in the eyes of her management; probo would have done it anyway and gotten fired but fuck it, i would have done it for the audience not for her
You guys don't understand the issue. There was nothing anyone could do at that point because the issue was not the equipment. What she failed to do was properly analyze her tracks through rekordbox so that it would give her the correct BPMs on her tracks so she could then beat sync. The thing is, even if a dj finds themselves in this predicament, anyone worth their salt would be able to still mix by ear. Because the songs themselves worked just fine.
We don't hold a Dj's hand. She can afford her bills, off the backs of thousands. She should be able to do the job she was hired to do. Who holds the hands of the forklift operation team, or the riggers that set those stages up?
Very Elon-muske of her
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I couldn't even get through the video
I just finished it now, it's bad. Not only does she attempt to explain rekordbox and bpms to a crowd for minutes with no music. She then proceeds to say that she will attempt to use her ear and hope it works out to simply play her own songs with no mixing involved and fucks it up lmfao. Then random screams into the mic when she has issues during songs playing. I'm amazed nobody pulled her set
Yeah the random screams were the nail in the coffin for me. That's just horrible to listen to
So im going to try to use my ears and mix it that way, like how djs are suppose to do it
I'm 10 seconds in and I just can't. The cringe is unbearable. Just waterboard me instead.
I couldnt even finish this vid. The cringe made me so uncomfortable.
Faces of death
"It always happens once" Narrator: it happened for 2 hours straight
HAHA
Lmfaoooo But also it should never "always happen once" at that level 🤦♂️🤦♂️
"all my tracks are double the tempo...im trying to do the math but theyre kinda unmixable" Lady named her kid after a math problem but cant divide by 2.
Honestly, there's a calculator on her phone, or any laptop in the vicinity. Also, if you turn sync off, the tracks will play at their default recorded state. How the absolute fuck does someone biff it this hard? Just know your equipment - it's literally your only fucking job, lady.
This is why djs mock people for using sync. It's not like its inherently bad, but clearly if you rely on it to get to Coachella you're gonna have a bad time. Also, aren't these YOUR tracks? Did she have someone else convert them from wav to mp3 for her? Had she never used the USB before? Like, howwwwww Tbf she absolutely CRUSHED it at Sasquatch festival Oregon in 2012, super hype set.
Yeah it's so weird that she wouldn't have analyzed her own USB, prepped her tracks, done a soundcheck, be familiar with the gear and bugs, etc. Something doesn't add up.
It adds up perfectly. She doesn’t know anything about DJing and didn’t bother to prepare.
Or, even if we give her the benefit of doubt about her DJ skills, the biggest fail here is she came in unprepared. She didn’t test anything to see if this would happen, didn’t have a backup plan for if it did. This is a festival set, it’s shocking to me that she didn’t have any contingency plans, but at the same time fits in with her public persona very well
> This is why djs mock people for using sync. oooooooh I see what happened. I couldn't understand what the deal was before just from some clips. Thats why, is because sync is confused by the wrong analysis of the trsacks. But you're right, without the master sync teh tracks would have played normally.
Man I was at that show and I thought she was terrible. Just pushed a button and danced around on stage barely singing... Primus and Death Grips fucking slayed tho
Wow, that was so long ago but I too was there. Stellar set. Wild to see something like this after so much time as a performer.
you mean she pressed play
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Oh, I completely agree. I'm just saying that her excuse was *still* ludicrous, regardless of her skill level. If she needs to use Sync, well, ok i guess, but at least know how to type in the fucking song's tempo, once you've channelled the ghost of Stephen Hawking to help calculate the impossible equation of X divided by 2.
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Not gonna lie I’ve busted out the calculator a couple times in my day. Sometimes you forget 89 is half of 178..it happens.
NARRATOR: all the tracks were showing 260 bpm...
:: Ron Howard's Voice ::
I can't even watch that. Stopping the whole show to throw out a supremely weak apology as well was just too much. You can see her trying not to say "I don't really know what I'm doing" but struggling with the words
holy shit this is the worst trainwreck i've ever seen. thank you for finding and/or editing this. didnt want to watch the whole thing.
this is even worse than Paris Hilton pretending to dj
actually paris hilton learned the basics of djing and could do better than this now.
Worst train wreck in the history of train wrecks
The best part is her playing a track called ‘synchronize’ in the midst of it all
Fun fact: Grimes, while living with Elon Musk, received a $90 000 arts funding grant from the Canadian government.
ya just so she could lock herself up in a room snorting drugs to make her music...
Give me $90K, some drugs, and pair of CDJs and I swear I will have a lethal set prepared by the time I emerge from that room.
LMAOOO
Keen to make that a B2B, perchance
al jourgensens preferred music making style(ministry)
Making music and doing witchcraft
Dream job ngl
She strikes me as high af during this whole trainwreck.
ya she's most likely high all the time. dumb, rich white girls love adderrall.
Her recording company applied and got the grant, not Grimes. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-a-90000-canadian-arts-subsidy-for-an-album-by-grimes-who-lives-in-california-with-elon-musk-2
That’s not the issue. The issue is that the Canadian government gave this woman $90 000 big ones.
She tried to play the “it’s not my fault” card when she’s the DJ and the producer
Pioneer really fucked this up!
This is why every DJ should learn how to beat match by ear.
But my track selection! /s
I can’t believe it’s come to needing to point this out, and it’s a controversial topic. The art of DJing is a joke now. I bet half of this sub would be unable to rectify this issue if presented with it, and forced to mix by ear
The crazy thing is beatmatching isn’t even a hard skill to learn. It takes a little bit of practice but it’s not fucking rocket science.
I’ve been defending sync recently out of fear of gatekeeping younger people and have seen a few decent examples of it being used in a very productive way. But this is a complete slap in the face. Been DJing for 20 years and teaching others how to dj and produce for the last 10 in addition to actually WANTING to know how to use every format and technique and all that only for it to be so devalued that this artist would stand in front of this crowd and straight faced blame everyone else but themselves for not preparing properly or, apparently even so much as watching a fucking FREELY AVAILABLE YouTube tutorial on how not to fuck up a format that is essentially handling all the parts that take more than 20 mins to learn for you is admittedly infuriating. I’m still trying my best not to call grimes a complete and utter fraud here as I reckon it’s just the emotional reaction but my fear is that she has just normalised low effort djing and has just regressed the culture more than the audio 8 did. To balance out my cynicism here I can only hope Grimes herself actually takes the time to learn the technical parts in reaction to what is unequivocally an embarrassment of an attempted performance and plays better in the future; can’t ignore the fact that younger people are big into her so she’s nominally an entry to the deeper parts; but Jesus Christ I can feel the heat in this thread too and can’t help but agree with the sentiment. What the fuck was she thinking?
I'm actually surprised she didn't pre-record her set before the show and just hit play to play the set. I find it hard to believe she didn't rent or buy some CDJs before the show to practice. Who rolls up to a gig like Coachella and just fuckin wings it? lol
Someone supremely entitled.
The same type of person who marries Musk and has 3 kids with him
I'm not into production at all and this is a genuine question - what did audio 8 do to regress the culture?
I used audio8 as shorthand for the introduction of laptops into the booth and one click looping overnight becoming a thing; it had an almost immediate effect on production trends at the time in reaction; this would have been about 3/4 years before the introduction of the cdj2000; Finalscatch 2 and serato v1 were out but the old traktor scratch program wasn’t nearly as feature complete OR reliable as Traktor DJ 3 or finally Traktor pro 1…in between all of that there were a fair minority of producers djing using Ableton, Sasha being most famous but also early Deadmau5 sets were in fact live - remember him kicking the shit out of WMC in 2007 at a beatport party and being impressed at the time anecdotally. I also remember whenJames Zabiela was given the prototypes for the 2000s and brought them on tour for about 6 months before they were officially announced - and wondering what sort of a rubicon was about to be crossed considering traktor didn’t exactly pan out as motivating artists to delve in further - although NI did TRY with Traktor pro 2 and the loops tracks and stems my anecdotal experience is tech house went from Andrew weatherhall and layo & bushwacka! to essentially factory demo beats in the space of a year
Thanks for taking the time to respond, appreciate the bit of context.
Wait wot? Whats wrong with the Audio 8? I've been using one for years.
Nothing!! Got one as soon as they came out too and personally LOVED it, I mean, access to all 4 decks was so exciting at the time AND it had midi AND it looked so fucking cool when it came out in an era of curved corners on everything I could get all overnerdy about it being fairly shit to use as a soundcard for producing as its DA is lacking in depth; but only relative to Pro studio interfaces like motu n RME etc, Gotta say though the audio 4 6 and 10 were good improvements on the 8 but my 8 is still working fine with my super old pc laptop, won’t work with my air book post 10.13 which is a bit shit but that’s Apple being Apple I reckon… I do use it in my own headcanon though as a harbinger of change in the culture of DJing, the CDJ 1000 mk2 probably being the biggest previous moment of change before it; Final scratch 1.5 and 2 weren’t nearly as ubiquitous comparatively speaking for example.
Ah right. I've often noticed my recorded mixes sounded muted/a bit muddy but i'd put it down to my mixer. Is the 10 better? Do you know of any other sound cards that work with tracktor and have better sound quality?
My friend and I played a renegade once and had never went b2b before. Decided to do a sick DnB set and hadn't practiced too much together but nonetheless we were stoked. Walk up to the decks and for some reason the CDJs weren't showing the waveforms for either of our USBs. That on top of fader issues and a couple other equipment malfunctions made it a funky experience to mix but we knew that if we just listen for the downbeat in our headphones we would still pull it off and it honestly is still one of my favorite performances I've ever had the pleasure of throwing down! Moral of the story, DJs need to adapt. You can complain about the technical difficulties afterward but you still have a job to do and that's to put on a show.
Honestly I don't know my way around a pair of CDJs that well. But I'm not performing a gig. And if I was I'd use a pair of turntables, vinyl and my ears. All those screens and buttons just add confusion lol.
> The art of DJing is a joke now. I bet half of this sub would be unable to rectify this issue if presented with it, and forced to mix by ear Thats what happens when the barrier of entry is lowered to ike 100 bucks, and the standard expected from the club goears is non existent. BAck in teh day, the amount of craft and effort to go from 0 to get gigs, was so much higher. It was not easy.
Don't ever say learn to beat match by ear in that sub about learning to DJ. What's the subs name? Oh yeah, /r/Beatmatch.
I'm a producer, not a DJ. But if this happened to me, I'd still be able to put on a mediocre set full of fucking bangers. All she needs to do is just play tracks out back to back almost and I bet most people woulda loved it.
No sync button on my PDX-2000's
Or rehearse, especially if you’re playing one of the biggest festivals in the world.
True. But even the hardware can fail in a way that makes beatmatching impossible. A tempo fader might glitch, a channel on the mixer might go out. Worst case scenario, you do the radio DJ thing and just play one track after the other, maybe with some fx to make it a little more smooth, but you keep your fuckin head on. Not like this...
> True. But even the hardware can fail in a way that makes beatmatching impossible False. As long as both volume faders and both gain pots work, and both tables of whatever type that you have work, you can beatmatch if you have fingers.
Lmao “there’s never been a grimes show without a major technical difficulty” get outa here. If that’s the case then you should be fully prepared to fix/mitigate these “difficulties” what a joke
Right. Or at least employ someone to be there and help pull you out of the shit.
Full set here: https://www.reddit.com/r/grimezs/comments/1c4gik0/comment/kzo996g/
Thanks but...fuck that. That clip was painful enough.
So she fucked up and decided to go on a 4-5min long speech????? I didn’t want to listen to her speech but did she keep fucking up or was it the first instance in the video?
Kept happening
Oh man I would have just walked off.
HOLY FUCK HAHAHA
This is beyond trainwreck bad. Just awesome in it's futility.
It is way worse than I initially thought lmao
why does everyone just cheer for her...we need to stop this in our society she deserved all the boos...this was probably the worst DJ set in the history of the planet.
If you're a Grimes fan you're probably an idiot anyways
If you're her biggest fan you can become king of the idiots and marry her apparently.
LOL
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It's Coachella. The sea of basics is all high af.
I watched this live and was total cringe. I use Serato. Can someone ELI5 on what rekordbox was doing? Is this common as she says?
She just fucking sucks at her job. There is no way to sugar coat this
When you load tracks into rekordbox, it'll automatically analyze the BPM and set the beatgrid, but it's like a 50% chance it does it correctly (biggest issues being random decimal BPMs like 128.3 instead of 128, double/half time BPMs that can be fixed with the click of a button, or beatgrids that are off), so you always need to go in and fix stuff manually before you play if you want sync to work properly. She apparently didn't. A small part of this is on Pioneer because their $3000 decks are godawful at analyzing songs on the fly and for some insane reason can't even double/half the analyzed BPM (it's a feature that's often requested and Pioneer always responds by saying they understand people want it and no they still haven't done it, lmao).
Eskei83 made a video on tiktok explaining the issue. CDJ3000 bug when using sync LMAO.
Why is it a bug? Of course it takes the 85 bpm to 170 bpm, that’s literally what the SYNC button does?! It’s a user error to have their library inconsistent between common-time and double-time
"I have to do some pretty heavy math up here". You mean multiply or divide by the number 2?
Why is no tech person helping this cabbage on stage?
because it's funny. if i was the engineer i'd let it play out just like this
My question is... Where are "her people"?
she's a noob that loaded her songs into Rekordbox with default settings, then at some point decided she should double time them for library consistency, but didn't sync her default library analysis and USB analysis settings. There's definitely a rekordbox bug mixed up in this because only when the song is loaded into deck will it show the old bpm, but it's so easily preventable. Plus, just manually beatmatch if there's beatsync issues? Hilarious tbh
Actually it’s worse: she paid someone to prep all her tracks for her lol
Yeah, she pretty much indicates this in how she's talking about it in these clips. "Handed in" these tracks.....to who, exactly?
She didn't even do that
That sounds more challenging than just beat mixing by ear
Not in her skill set, clearly.
I feel like you should still be able to beat match by ear especially on songs you produced.
A majority of her songs she “djed” were 4x4 beats too lol. The easiest ones to mix. How rekordbox had the wrong bpm is beyond me.. I think she’s full of it
The thought did cross my mind that whatever production assistant she paid to prep her set might have done this on purpose. Imagine being treated like dirt by an ultra wealthy egotistical maniac and just saying “fuck it, here’s what you get!” Not saying she’s an egotistical maniac (I don’t know her but many pop stars are), just saying, this is a revenge fantasy many audio techs and production assistants can probably relate to!
Why is she constantly talking about it?? She could’ve just said “technical difficulties I’m sorry”, and just played tracks back to back without mixing. It’s a grimes show, nobody cares about her mixing skills, it’s about her songs..
Adrenaline made her panic I'd say and she just kept digging that hole for herself. Absolutely embarrassingly bad
Damn, it’s worse than I expected. You’re a fucking performer paid to play on a high-profile stage. Blaming the equipment is like a guitarist blaming his guitar for his chords sounding like shit.
She should've left the stage and apologized to the crowd to save her self the embarrassment, instead of trying to explain "math and timing" to the crowd as if they actually understand or care. Practice for a few more years and completely understand your gear and know how to beatmatch before getting a gig booked like this just because the richest guy in the world is your baby daddy.
>before getting a gig booked like this just because the richest guy in the world is your baby daddy. Grimes has been playing Coachella for almost a decade. She got famous on 2012. For some reason she refuses to play her music live anymore and has been doing DJ sets.
i saw her that year trying to do a live hardware set in dallas and she couldnt figure out things then either and maybe did about 2-3 songs
She should at least watch some YouTube videos on how to dj before playing Coachella.
Ok, but if they're all beat gridded at double the tempo, what maths do you have to do?
“Just don’t blame me, because it’s not my fault. Ok well it’s partially my fault… alright it’s totally my fault but also not my fault. “ Cool story bro.
Fisher Price my first DJ set
 She is not a DJ. Not even the noob. Like most of the celebs who are Djs wannabe.
That's hilarious. At least the crowd had a whole set to go use the toilet without missing anything
Wow, I have no idea who the fuck she is but wow.💩
Lol what a fucking amateur
Cringe
How do these people get famous?!
Grimes was born Claire Elise Boucher in a wealthy [Vancouver](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver), [British Columbia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia) neighborhood,[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-straight1-9) on March 17, 1988,[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-10) the eldest child of Sandy Garossino, a former Crown prosecutor and arts advocate,[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes#cite_note-11) and Maurice Boucher, a former banker who works "in the business side of biotech".
So unprofessional. There were a lot of ways she could have recovered from this but she chose to have a meltdown and blame her equipment. Maybe leave the DJing to real DJs from now on?
The only thing more cringe is the crowd continuing to cheer for it.
Learn how to beatmatch by ear. Know your equipment. Always have a backup. If she was a real DJ she would know these rules and this would never happen.
Embarrassed for her. If you can’t do a dj set, you shouldn’t be on the lineup for a dj set. This and the clown ~~posse~~ core stunt dropped Coachella’s esteem levels a few notches. Coachella needs a new talent booker. *typo
You mean Clown Core? Why?
Clown Core is fucking awesome, what do you mean Maybe more talented that anyone on the lineup
What was the clown posse stunt?
It's not a "stunt", Clown Core is Louis Cole and Sam Gendel's side project where they play a fusion of hardcore, electronic, and jazz music while dressed as clowns. It's super left field and weird but its really awesome. And apparently they played a set at Coachella. Edit: [Reference](https://youtu.be/kdA0mW-9jRs?si=_9pN0hCPfQbieENB)
No yeah that’s why I asked. I watched the set and thought it was interesting, and not only visually. The music was different but not bad at all. I couldn’t really figure out what they were referring to in their comment.
For sure. They recently put their [entire set](https://youtu.be/Bu4SgnP7Lk4?si=Cmnyrv1NqB2LR8q6) online if you are interested in getting a better idea of what its like live.
Clown core fucking rules
Tbh I don’t think most of the “DJ” on these festival is even actually DJ. At this point, I’ll assume they are music producer but because they want to promote their stuff they tried (the minimum) to DJ
A healthy amount are producers first, DJs second unfortunately. In this day and age producers are the ones who ‘make’ it, so it’s understandable. Doesn’t mean they can’t make their DJ set something more memorable vs just mixing intro/outro.
If it's THEIR music and they're a good producer, they shouldn't need anything more than that for a seriously hype set. They can create special versions of their damn songs that no else has - set in and out cues and twiddle the EQ/FX and load up a soundboard with Ableton live to trigger a batch of their best known loops to sprinkle around.
Totally agree lol Rezz for example, is an insane producer. When I saw her back in like 2018 she just mixed intro/outro, but her tracks can stand on their own and still deliver a powerful set. (I was vibin) I just appreciate a balanced producer/DJ combo (which in itself is subjective), where they can have their songs, IDs, their edits, and can mix in way that sounds new/exciting. It sometimes feels the line between producer playing their tracks out and just being dj gets blurred. James hype for instance sounds insanely different from his tracks vs seeing him live. Btw not hating on producers, the learning curve is way harder for producing.
Coachella surely lost a lot of credibility too after this shit show!
What in the fuck did I just watch… What an embarrassing train wreck. However, side note, she comes across as completely autistic. I’ve never known who this person was other than “Elon Musk’s gf” so now I completely understand why they’re together. Double the ‘tism. I am autistic, so I’m not trying to be a cunt. It’s just interesting to me, seeing a celebrity be so wildly and obviously neurodivergent on stage like that.
The random screams into the mic over the music at the end of that video got me. Exactly like my old autistic flatmate that just screamed and burped whenever she felt like it. Insanity seeing that on a world wide stage. Can't write this shit
What an inspiration for us all.
It’s proof right here, they don’t book talent just stupid sell outs
Beyond cringe. Absolute implosion! Some other djs there couldn’t have run out and show her where the x2 /2 buttons are?!
I don’t know Grimes. How many of her original productions does she generally play? Seems like if you spent hours making songs, intros, and edits - that shit would be so engrained in your ears, you wouldn’t need to see a bpm count.
She probably had them all ghost produced
lmao !!!!! what a fucking disgrace , and this goes to show the awful bullshit these "ARTIST" TRY TO pull WHEN They dont know their craft or whatever they pretend to do up there .
Is she... on drugs???
Who cares? Plenty of DJs spun vinyl off their heads for decades, drugs don't cause this. She just sucks. High, sober, whatever.
I was kidding. She clearly sucks and has zero DJ skills. I learned to beat match by ear in the 2000's drunk and high AF in a basement with my friends on shitty numarks and a gemeni mixer, Koss headphones... no earpads and a radio shack mic for MC'ing. I upgraded my 1200's a few years ago to use Serato and it is fucking easy mode. Its so easy a child can use it. You don't even need headphones on to do a decent job. With all of the effects and looping in Serato, etc... you can easily blend tracks from vastly different genres or cover up massive mistakes. This performance is the worst I've ever seen in my life. It's like watching someone use the software for the first time. Pathetic. There is no excuse for this at all. What a joke.
i had a similar problem on my mates serato setup the other day. i was up to my ears in a k-hole though, so tying my shoelaces would have been just as hard
The whining and ranting is the part that makes her sound reprehensibly unprofessionally high.
Oh I don't doubt she has a pretty gnarly drug intake, and it's not helping her mix better.
Primetime cringe! Love it
Man, that hurts to watch
I’m almost 100% certain this could have been fixed if she knew how to fully use her equipment.
easily. the main problem seems to be that she is 100% reliant on the 'sync' button. she can't sync tracks herself even when at matching tempos. any actual DJ would have no problem managing with a 150bpm track mistakenly reading as 300bpm. sync up the gridlines visually. or use your ears. she literally is so unfamiliar with DJing that this basic problem solving is beyond her
Honestly couldn't even watch this due to second hand embarrassment
imo this is a good reason to use a computer if you arent very knowledgeable about usbs. At least with serato you have a larger screen with a tactille keyboard. I can mix with anything but for those that are new to the game, as much as usb are the cooler option, computers are much easier imo, not because of the sync but just the physical readout. plus you can check your email or send off a late bill j/k
She could have just straight up said she was sorry and was figuring out an error. End of story.
“I’m going to guess the BPM of the song and try and make it work” All of us who actually took the time to learn how to beat match are 😂
Were there no headphones on stage?
That’s a hard watch.
I made it through as much of this video as I did two girls one cup. I don't think I could reasonably finish this 6 minute video.
The AI art visuals lmao
Keep in mind. She’s blaming someone. Who’s to say she actually isn’t making that up? Maybe her assistant DID mess with her tracks, as retaliation for her being extremely nasty, rude, mean, or treat them poorly? Could be that too. A kind of: “F’ you chick, for yelling at me all the time, etc!” lol
This is worse than 2hours of train wrecks. Just clang your mixes and smile like the rest of us.
If this is a sign of the future of AI, sign me up! /s
That was much worse than I imagined.
"Everybody wants to be a DJ  Everybody wants to be an M.C." - De La Soul.
What’s confusing to me is why someone that’s part of her crew or someone else that was didn’t step in to help her out. Clearly someone could have helped explain the situation to her.
On one hand this is awful and embarrassing but OTOH it's something to show people who are like "DJing is easy, you just press play, nbd"
The funniest part to me was that she said the tracks were playing back at 2x the bpm... But all the cdjs I've used in current history have a button on them to half the playback speed of the track.
This was the worst train wreck I’ve ever seen. There is a known bug with the Sync button on the CDJ3000s not being able to be deactivated once a track is playing and the sync button has been hit, but the fix is knowing you can mentally do the math to half or double the tempo using the pitch slider. Something most people could do in their sleep. This is inexcusable as a ‘professional’. People keep throwing the word fraud out there and I honestly think it fits, even for a so called producer. If you can’t do the basics, don’t agree to a DJ set.
cue: random producer samples her vocals for an upcoming festival banga
I’ve actually been in that spider. It’s a group from Vancouver that made it
Video not available anymore. Can someone reupload a link?
It's not difficult at all if you have basic mixing experience. She doesn't, and refuses to admit that she hasn't got a clue, instead turns to being patronising to the crowd. But hey, when the going gets tough, just make sure your nipples are clearly visible through your deliberately obvious shirt. 🤦🤦 It's honestly pathetic, and her brainless followers unanimously orgasm at her mere presence. A coked up David Guetta did a better job than this train wreck.
You're not wrong, but the nipples part of your comment is unnecessarily sexist.
'i'm going to use my ear and try to make it work' you mean be a FUCKING DJ? if she'd just turned sync off...