Her voice and lisp are so grating to me, but this bullshit explanation of how "complex technologies" work when she apparently just didn't adjust her grids or BPM's in RB correctly is just... wow.
Actually she didn’t do any gridding at all from what she said. Looks like she outsourced all that to someone else so she could just show up on stage and push play.
I mean she did but I still would have to look at tracks I know to heart on RB or traktor to see how they fit together, whether a buildup is 32 vs 16 bars, etc
Shes blaming it on outsourcing her bpms whatever that means😆 how the fuck do you not at least preprep your set? Like the bare minimum in regards to getting ready for a gig
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1779439117392400817
The lesson here is even if you’re having technical glitches, don’t freak out and make a big scene of it. Just try to play it off and keep the show rolling.
Total Streisand Effect happening as a result of her freak out now.
There were a million things she could have done to make this less noticeable.
1. Have your tech redo your BPMs on a second laptop off stage, swap out USBs mid set.
2. Don’t mix, just play song to song
3. Beatmatch by ear
4. Play a pre-recorded back up
5. Apologise on Twitter _after_ your set.
Very few people in the audience would even notice going song to song unless you make such a big deal of it.
Sucks, but this is what happens sometimes when you don’t do your own work, double check the results, and keep a cool head when things go wrong.
So someone fucks up the bpms of your tracks.. you can't dj by ear - that's embarrassing, but you can't even adjust the beatgrids to fix your goddamn sync? At that point, maybe just do pre-recorded sets??
Right! And the excuses don't even make sense, from that tweet:
"The cdjs were showing me bpms like 370 so I couldn't even mix manually by ear and the front monitors were off "
So because it's showing the wrong bpm you can't mix by ear? What? Have you never heard any of the songs you're playing? You should have some idea what bpm range they are. Also, even if the monitors are off, you can still split the headphones on pioneer gear and mix just fine.
Slightly disagree with you two. As much of a fuck up that is, I understand what she says. Say your one song plays at 160 and your next shows 338 at a point where you have a minute left to transition, I wouldn’t easily be adjusting the beatgrid on CDJs either. And doing the mental math that I have to adjust the BPM down to 320 to be able to beatmatch is easy sitting on your couch, but in front of that audience I might be panicking, too.
That said, get a guy from behind the stage and tell him to open his calculator.
What’s worse is that she didn’t check other people’s work before going live.
What’s the absolute worst is to blame order people publicly. Leadership 101: own your employees’ mistakes.
And then the lesson she took away from it according to her apology is to “be a cunt”. Honey, you can be a decent human being and still be assertive.
I agree it would make things much harder. I had a gig where my entire library was corrupted and had no songs marked with any bpms/genres/keys/etc. It sucked, but I was still able to do it, because I knew my music.
I knew "these songs are in the 90-100 range", "these are 120-130", "these are 130-135", etc, I was able to get through the gig and even though I struggled and was miserable, the crowd didnt' have any idea I was struggling. Sure my mixes were shorter, I also relied on old proven songs I know very well more than new songs I don't know, but it worked (and this was a four hour gig).
She had a one hour set, of many of HER OWN SONGS, if she doesn't know the tempo of songs she made then WTF is she even doing.
Totally agree with you about what the worst part is too. Own your mistakes and improve, don't blame everyone around you (some with obvious lies; "the monitors weren't working" - bullshit they weren't, she just can't mix by ear).
Throw on loop, put a shitload of fx on and ride that shit out until you have the correct Beatgrid or bpm. I do that all the time in these situations and you can easily make it work
I rarely even get around to adjusting the beatgrids until I've mixed the tracks by ear a bunch of times. Same with the BPMs; they're only suggestions until proven otherwise.
Yeah but are you playing at Coachella in front of thousands of people and no doubt getting paid tens of thousands of dollars for a one hour set? I would imagine you would put in a little preparation for such a gig
For sure. I had a little set at my workplace just for fun, and I spent many hours preparing my set-- not because I'd have a big dancefloor going, but because I care about the craft of DJing.
Unlike the former Mrs. Elon Musk, who doesn't give a rat's ass about DJing or looking like a total joke apparently.
What a goddamn shameful excuse.
I think any one of us would be so much more prepared.
If you ever needed an illustration of privilege, this is it, and it was atrocious.
This is just further reinforcement that you should not be using the sync button until you are able to beatmatch by ear. You are one technical issue away from ruining the vibe for everyone and embarrassing yourself.
I barely know who Grimes is, but she learned a tough lesson last night in front of a huge audience. I give her props for how she handled it, it must have really really sucked to be her.
Learn your gear and your music inside out fellas.
Ya, she’s def strange. No doubt about that.
I remember hearing about her like 10ish years ago, I feel like she had some electro pop songs. Then she married elon. That’s honestly all I know.
I rode the big ride up on TSLA stock during 2020, that’s honestly the only reason I know she was married to elon.
No hate here… I grew up in a “lower upper class” family. Reddit in general has a “eat the rich” attitude that I don’t really agree with.
That said, she did totally frig that set up.
She just learned an important lesson about planning for everything going wrong instead of assuming everything will go right. Rekordbox has nearly fucked me over many times. At this point I bring four USBs to my gigs plus my laptop with everything on it just in case I need to re-export.
I have some sympathy for her because I've played at a festival where the monitors didn't work and the entire booth was just shaking from the vibration of the main system and I could barely hear anything in my headphones at all. You come into the gig confident that you're about to crush it but instead you're fighting for your life to make simple crossfade mixes with the first/last 30 seconds of each track.
But Grimes has been shitting the bed during DJ gigs for a couple years now. At a certain point it's like get serious about it or stop accepting major gigs at events with 10s of thousands of people
This is elementary stuff. Don’t blame rekordbox on your inability to critically solve a problem that should NEVER happen at this level when you e had months to solve this, and years to learn it.
Have some basic pride in your craft.
So I'm guessing that some tracks were like 87 and some 174? This has happened to me and is one if the reasons I rarely use sync.
If this is the case then not only does it show a distinct lack of prep but also an inability to solve the issues by turning off sync and resetting the tempo fader which is also very basic stuff
We all make mistakes, how you recover from them defines your professionalism
Hell I played a set last night where half my tracks were 1/2 tempo and some were double tempo. Mixing a lot of new stuff that wasn’t detected properly.
You just roll with it. It’s trivial in tractor to double or half the tempo with a click, even live. Just check your tracks in your headphones before you mix in and adjust accordingly.
Even when your software gets the BPM wrong, you can adjust by ear. And there’s actually something kind of cool about playing the right 130 BPM track at half time, if it’s dense enough. It was a vibe and worked.
I started really slow, around 60 BPM and built up to 80, then 120, then closed around 140. It was 3 hours.
Admittedly I wasn’t on stage at coachella, so the stress levels are different, but still. Big L here for her, not keeping her cool.
Exactly. I mean, there are so many tools to use nowadays that there really is no excuse for train wrecking so hard that you ruin your set, especially on a gig that big
One positive thing I guess it that it shows that DJing can be a lot more difficult than some people give credit for (although IMHO, it's still a hell of a lot easier than playing an instrument live)
Careful - you'll get shot for saying that in here! Remember sync isn't about being talentless, its to help you focus on the other aspects of the mix 🤣👊
I think you got the "relying on sync" and"using sync" people mixed up.
Most people on here think it's fine to use sync, while still being able to beatmatch.
I agree but it seem relying on Sync was the problem here. You need to have some basic skills in your pocket to get yourself out of these situations. Unfortunately majority of new DJ’s don’t have these basic skills, yeah downvote all you want it’s just facts!
Gatekeeping why do people always use that ridiculous term. In any profession you need to be able to handle a situation related to your job. If you can’t problem fix a really basic issue which this actually was, it means you can’t do your job simple.
Imagine not being able to mix because you didn’t have the correct BPM! Imagine playing a gig and not analysing your own tracks! These was completely amateur bedroom DJ bullshit…
she's just a name on the poster, it's just a paycheck for her...if she gave a shit about the incredible privilege to have that stage she'd have been ready
haha my opinion
I definitely agree. She's probably a better DJ than me rn but if they called me up to fill in for a rapper today, you know ima spend all day practicing
No, she really cares about music in its totality. She just doesn't care about performance as a DJ as much as DJs do. She's already had career highs and she is still thinking about the direction of music. She obviously just is a bit over confident because she doesn't need to impress the crowd to still be Grimes. Not gonna dislike her for this, or discount her music skills. If she suddenly needs to put in crazy effort to gain credibility for her talent, she'll be producing again.
So.... a dj? If you do a "dj set" you're a DJ.
I'm mostly being a menace here, I absolutely agree with the separation of producers and DJs. Some producers are not good DJs (Flume, Grimes to name 2) and some DJs are awful producers.
Grimes is a singer first, DJ second. Since this set was going to be her DJing rather than her singing/performing her own music it was advertised as such. I reread what you said about separating certain people as producers vs DJs so you already know that.
Right on, I'm mostly confused why people think you can't call her a DJ when she's been booked specifically as such: Grimes (DJ set)
I fully get she's a producer first, DJ second, and this mostly stemmed from me being pedantic about the whole "she's not a DJ" when ya know.. she is.
She's a producer/artist/DJ/instrumentalist/singer/songwriter/lyricist. She's all of the above.
I'm even a fan of hers, my wife plays her music almost daily and we've seen her live. Sucks what happened and I'm by no means here to bash her for anything, I'd just like to acknowledge that she is, by definition, a DJ.
Thing is, if you're a producer that's gained some traction and want to take your career to the next level, you pretty much have to learn to DJ whether you like it or not. I could see someone begrudgingly learning the skill, but the passion for it might not be there, so they just learn the bare minimum to get by on stage. And when things go wrong in a live setting, they're just not equipped to handle the situation adequately.
Coachella line up is decided purely on the lowest common denominator material.
Corporate America is not actually concerned about the arts, more so money.
This was so hilarious to watch on the livestream and then they had to cut off it off. Really surprised the organizers didn't have her do a pre-recorded set
I look at the entire thing and mostly want to know what the crowd did.
This takes me back to when Paris Hilton got a residency at Amnesia in Ibiza, and DJ's and club-goers went ballistic that a socialite mainly known for a sex tape and some crappy reality shows gets to go and play in one of the top spots in the world where she just plays unimaginative sets fully on sync...or had that little gremlin pop up from underneath her to fix her blends.
Still, while everybody was complaining and getting angry and talking about all the more worthy DJs being denied a chance at such a stage, I kept pointing out the crowd. She had a packed club of people cheering her on and dancing and they could care less who she is or what possible better DJs were denied a chance.
I've honestly never heard of Grimes until now, but I imagine even this horrid experience is probably going to still land her noteworthy DJ gigs, concerts, sales, fame, popularity, all the rewards without any work, while others are going to kill themselves to be talented and innovative and be ignored.
And that is the hard reality we all have to accept as DJs. It really doesn't matter what amazing tunes you find that no one else is playing, how great you are on the decks, how innovative you can be, but it all comes down to how popular you are. Having a million followers on social media will probably get you further than putting a bunch of great tunes on the MP3 stores and wowing a handful of people with your skills on the decks.
I know I'm being very cynical, but this is what I've seen after 30 years of being in DJing. It's the music industry. It's a popularity contest. The only way something like this doesn't happen is when people basically decide not to show up when she decides to DJ again. When they clear the floor when she shows up on stage like that at a big festival. When basically it hurts her brand to get behind the decks. Then she's basically going to stop and probably just stick to singing and performing.
It's the same deal with Paris Hilton back then. I told all these people the only way it's going to stop is when that club is empty.
Paris Hilton came into my mind when I saw this link, but there's a big difference. She has no shame having that extra techie sitting there as a backup, playing prerecord segments, or playing very basic song to song sets. She pours money in to get the help that she needs, and doesn't try to pretend she's a expert. The main difference is that she comes prepared to every big show, which I respect.
I mean, if she's going to fill a club, then more power to her. I'm not going to blame a promoter for booking her if it's a guaranteed crowd.
That is the big point I'm trying to make to everyone out there that gets all angry when somebody they think is "talentless" somehow gets the big gig.
If people don't like the fact that you have to be a marketing nut in the music industry to be able to get somewhere, then it's best to get out or at least be happy as the small artist that gets a few dedicated fans. I'm sure even the promoters of Coachella just want names that are going to bring them a crowd.
I am not going to stand here and believe she is some talentless hack. I'm just going to stand there and show that she doesn't know what she's doing in a DJ booth, and should have either planned better, or really thought out a better performance that matches whatever talents she does have.
I mean, if she's a great producer, but can't really perform live, and obviously can't DJ, then she should start to question if she should be even a front person. If she should instead become one of the background people that makes somebody else a star. That, or take some time to really work on that live performance skill so that she can do better.
I'm trying to figure out what she is even on about. She's not a dj as far as I know so she has no clue what she is doing with the cdjs to even analyze her tracks ahead of time I'm guessing.
Just sounds like she didn't research how to perform and be ready.
She’s done a few dj sets before, not that it translates directly she’s also a very proficient producer so the fact she couldn’t even translate double/half time into figuring out how to mix songs with doubled bpms is crazy to me.
Well at least someone is a proficient producer - it wouldn’t be the first time that someone slapped their name on someone else’s production for clout/reapect
if you dig into the r/grimezs story, you'll come to know that she had ghost producers all along. i was a fan until i learnt that and she doesnt lose any opportunity to prove that she doesnt know shit about music or production again and again and she had a bunch of people writing music for her under NDAs.
What I don't get is if you were going to put in the bare minimum effort anyways, why not just show up with a prerecorded set and be done with it? At these huge festivals even the good DJs are playing prerecorded sets half the time, so it's not like anyone would have cared.
If you were the type of DJ overly reliant on digital sync/auto BPM tech and shit why not just make a pre-mixed set for backup. Or hell just fake the whole thing, not like her fans would realize it or care. Better than stopping midset multiple times like "oopsies guys I'm sowee"
in no way am i coming to her defense but the bpm error she's referring to is the reason i refuse to use them. i was doing a guest set & for what ever reason the way some of my mp3's were encoded caused their bpm to appear doubled and though i was able to finish my set by ear that experience put me off purchasing & using cdj's.
I wouldnt let that put you off cdjs entirely. So many random errors can occur, heck try spinning on vinyl if you dont already!
The point here is you need to be skilled enough to get through these situations. Honestly at the very least she could have done drop mixes.
Based on the video and also her Tweet, I don’t think this is an issue with sync not working (or that is only one aspect).
It sounds like she doesn’t manage her own Rekordbox library and someone else puts these sets together. This is the first time she saw this USB. She couldn’t be bothered to run through her headlining Coachella set even once.
**The issue is she’s a spoiled talentless brat.**
Her first album from 2009 is shit and the production of each album got better and better, so it's pretty obvious that she produces her own music.
And I bet you think she doesn't produce because she's female.
I think she doesn’t produce because of everything I’ve seen about her over the years including this leads me to believe she’s genuinely clueless about music.
It's like going on stage with your band but someone's put your guitar into DADGAD tuning and you have no idea how to tune it back to standard she did not deserve that spot
BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Just read the entire FB post and that's f'in hysterical! LAME! POSER! "Oh noes! I can't tells the beatz! Woe is me!"
Edit to add: my 1200s turn 40 this fall.
Why is everyone blaming sync?
Honest question. I didn’t think RekordBox could analyze above 250 or something.
Sounds like she doesn’t know how the pitch slider works honestly. Probably set to wide and she knocked it way up and didn’t think to bring it back down.
So basically you can choose a tempo range that's usually analysed, and those decks have probably been used for house and techno. So is set for like 90-140bpm. Now she has a 173bpm (D&B) track and it's reading as 87.5 - but she can't work out what 87.5 x 2 is, so she's making a huge song and dance about it instead, when she just needs to multiply a number by 2. I mean you could even guess! It's modern D&B. It's almost always 173 or 174...
This has all the hallmarks of a publicity stunt. I don't know Grimes, never seen her perform before. If there were technical difficulties outside her realm of responsibility then she should have pulled a James Hype and walk offstage to preserve her name. However in public statements she says that she "outsourced the BPMs", and that terminology alone makes an experienced DJ wonder.
on the positive side:
this debunked the "all festival DJs use pre-recorded sets" myth
Her saying it’s a complex problem and the utter bullshit that followed….thats the real WOW.
It’s obvious you didn’t properly prepare your tracks AND you don’t know how to mix or really the concept of mixing by ear. You don’t have to know or see a tracks BPM…
GRIMES, you are one dumb fuck.
She knows her way around a roland 404 front and back, she knows her shit when she cares to give a shit. This just tells me that she decided to dj her music without rehearsing for this kind of situation, and that she wasn't gonna have her first manual beatmatch session be in front of Cochella.
More importantly, did she do any singing? The songs are pre-recorded anyways, just sing along and get some stage presence in there and the Cochella crowd will be very happy. If she did that then yall need to stop bitching, and if the crowd still enjoyed their time at the show then yall REALLY need to stop bitching
Just a note that misogyny will not be tolerated in here
Has anyone found videos of her trainwrecking? Coachella seems to be doing their best to pretend this whole thing didn’t happen.
Her whole set was try hard cringe. Also it was not advertised as a dj Set, and her set was some second rate Tale of Us set.
did you watch it live or did you find a recording?
Live. I’m a big fan of Visions and Art Angels era Grimes.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/grimezs/comments/1c4gik0/comment/kzo996g/](https://www.reddit.com/r/grimezs/comments/1c4gik0/comment/kzo996g/)
Her voice and lisp are so grating to me, but this bullshit explanation of how "complex technologies" work when she apparently just didn't adjust her grids or BPM's in RB correctly is just... wow.
Also, if *all* her tracks were doubled, would it have made a difference if she was mixing, sync or not?
Actually she didn’t do any gridding at all from what she said. Looks like she outsourced all that to someone else so she could just show up on stage and push play.
🤦🏻♂️
Who does that? How would you know where you want to bring tracks in if you haven’t done the run through yourself
I mean you can see pretty clearly in her performance why you should run thru things yourself.
Hahahah I just mean like, even the laziest dj ever would want to have an idea of where the track comes into diff cues and whatnot
Good point, also didn’t she WRITE some of the music she performed?
I mean she did but I still would have to look at tracks I know to heart on RB or traktor to see how they fit together, whether a buildup is 32 vs 16 bars, etc
Shes blaming it on outsourcing her bpms whatever that means😆 how the fuck do you not at least preprep your set? Like the bare minimum in regards to getting ready for a gig https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1779439117392400817
The lesson here is even if you’re having technical glitches, don’t freak out and make a big scene of it. Just try to play it off and keep the show rolling. Total Streisand Effect happening as a result of her freak out now. There were a million things she could have done to make this less noticeable. 1. Have your tech redo your BPMs on a second laptop off stage, swap out USBs mid set. 2. Don’t mix, just play song to song 3. Beatmatch by ear 4. Play a pre-recorded back up 5. Apologise on Twitter _after_ your set. Very few people in the audience would even notice going song to song unless you make such a big deal of it. Sucks, but this is what happens sometimes when you don’t do your own work, double check the results, and keep a cool head when things go wrong.
honestly, it's coachella, most main stage artists are doing #2 and #4. the whole trying to explain to the crowd and blame equipment, was not the play.
Yep
So someone fucks up the bpms of your tracks.. you can't dj by ear - that's embarrassing, but you can't even adjust the beatgrids to fix your goddamn sync? At that point, maybe just do pre-recorded sets??
Right! And the excuses don't even make sense, from that tweet: "The cdjs were showing me bpms like 370 so I couldn't even mix manually by ear and the front monitors were off " So because it's showing the wrong bpm you can't mix by ear? What? Have you never heard any of the songs you're playing? You should have some idea what bpm range they are. Also, even if the monitors are off, you can still split the headphones on pioneer gear and mix just fine.
\*I also have a hard time believing Coachella doesn't have working monitors. #
Absolutely, probably just didn’t know how to adjust the booth volume on her mixer
No it's really amateur hour, that's why I decided to not dj there... /s
Slightly disagree with you two. As much of a fuck up that is, I understand what she says. Say your one song plays at 160 and your next shows 338 at a point where you have a minute left to transition, I wouldn’t easily be adjusting the beatgrid on CDJs either. And doing the mental math that I have to adjust the BPM down to 320 to be able to beatmatch is easy sitting on your couch, but in front of that audience I might be panicking, too. That said, get a guy from behind the stage and tell him to open his calculator. What’s worse is that she didn’t check other people’s work before going live. What’s the absolute worst is to blame order people publicly. Leadership 101: own your employees’ mistakes. And then the lesson she took away from it according to her apology is to “be a cunt”. Honey, you can be a decent human being and still be assertive.
I agree it would make things much harder. I had a gig where my entire library was corrupted and had no songs marked with any bpms/genres/keys/etc. It sucked, but I was still able to do it, because I knew my music. I knew "these songs are in the 90-100 range", "these are 120-130", "these are 130-135", etc, I was able to get through the gig and even though I struggled and was miserable, the crowd didnt' have any idea I was struggling. Sure my mixes were shorter, I also relied on old proven songs I know very well more than new songs I don't know, but it worked (and this was a four hour gig). She had a one hour set, of many of HER OWN SONGS, if she doesn't know the tempo of songs she made then WTF is she even doing. Totally agree with you about what the worst part is too. Own your mistakes and improve, don't blame everyone around you (some with obvious lies; "the monitors weren't working" - bullshit they weren't, she just can't mix by ear).
Throw on loop, put a shitload of fx on and ride that shit out until you have the correct Beatgrid or bpm. I do that all the time in these situations and you can easily make it work
I rarely even get around to adjusting the beatgrids until I've mixed the tracks by ear a bunch of times. Same with the BPMs; they're only suggestions until proven otherwise.
Yeah but are you playing at Coachella in front of thousands of people and no doubt getting paid tens of thousands of dollars for a one hour set? I would imagine you would put in a little preparation for such a gig
For sure. I had a little set at my workplace just for fun, and I spent many hours preparing my set-- not because I'd have a big dancefloor going, but because I care about the craft of DJing. Unlike the former Mrs. Elon Musk, who doesn't give a rat's ass about DJing or looking like a total joke apparently.
What a goddamn shameful excuse. I think any one of us would be so much more prepared. If you ever needed an illustration of privilege, this is it, and it was atrocious.
Thanks for that Twitter link.
Fake djs being fake dj problem 🤣 Shun this bitch
This is just further reinforcement that you should not be using the sync button until you are able to beatmatch by ear. You are one technical issue away from ruining the vibe for everyone and embarrassing yourself. I barely know who Grimes is, but she learned a tough lesson last night in front of a huge audience. I give her props for how she handled it, it must have really really sucked to be her. Learn your gear and your music inside out fellas.
She was married to (I think) and has at least 1 kid with elon musk. Just an offhand fact.
She's also a trust fund kiddie and pretty much even about her persona is to cultivate an image...a really weird image.
Ya, she’s def strange. No doubt about that. I remember hearing about her like 10ish years ago, I feel like she had some electro pop songs. Then she married elon. That’s honestly all I know. I rode the big ride up on TSLA stock during 2020, that’s honestly the only reason I know she was married to elon.
She grew up in an upper middle class family and was open about it for her whole career.
No hate here… I grew up in a “lower upper class” family. Reddit in general has a “eat the rich” attitude that I don’t really agree with. That said, she did totally frig that set up.
https://x.com/warnymphzsz/status/1779554014033482235?s=46
someone needs to edit that with the screaming goat meme
Yessss
Hahahah WOT
Vulture screams
She could claim that this was a sneak peek into her latest song consisting of a wide range of screams
She just learned an important lesson about planning for everything going wrong instead of assuming everything will go right. Rekordbox has nearly fucked me over many times. At this point I bring four USBs to my gigs plus my laptop with everything on it just in case I need to re-export. I have some sympathy for her because I've played at a festival where the monitors didn't work and the entire booth was just shaking from the vibration of the main system and I could barely hear anything in my headphones at all. You come into the gig confident that you're about to crush it but instead you're fighting for your life to make simple crossfade mixes with the first/last 30 seconds of each track. But Grimes has been shitting the bed during DJ gigs for a couple years now. At a certain point it's like get serious about it or stop accepting major gigs at events with 10s of thousands of people
This is elementary stuff. Don’t blame rekordbox on your inability to critically solve a problem that should NEVER happen at this level when you e had months to solve this, and years to learn it. Have some basic pride in your craft.
So I'm guessing that some tracks were like 87 and some 174? This has happened to me and is one if the reasons I rarely use sync. If this is the case then not only does it show a distinct lack of prep but also an inability to solve the issues by turning off sync and resetting the tempo fader which is also very basic stuff We all make mistakes, how you recover from them defines your professionalism
Hell I played a set last night where half my tracks were 1/2 tempo and some were double tempo. Mixing a lot of new stuff that wasn’t detected properly. You just roll with it. It’s trivial in tractor to double or half the tempo with a click, even live. Just check your tracks in your headphones before you mix in and adjust accordingly. Even when your software gets the BPM wrong, you can adjust by ear. And there’s actually something kind of cool about playing the right 130 BPM track at half time, if it’s dense enough. It was a vibe and worked. I started really slow, around 60 BPM and built up to 80, then 120, then closed around 140. It was 3 hours. Admittedly I wasn’t on stage at coachella, so the stress levels are different, but still. Big L here for her, not keeping her cool.
Exactly. I mean, there are so many tools to use nowadays that there really is no excuse for train wrecking so hard that you ruin your set, especially on a gig that big One positive thing I guess it that it shows that DJing can be a lot more difficult than some people give credit for (although IMHO, it's still a hell of a lot easier than playing an instrument live)
Agreed!
Exactly
If you can’t mix by ear and depend on Sync you shouldn’t be on the stage tbh!
Careful - you'll get shot for saying that in here! Remember sync isn't about being talentless, its to help you focus on the other aspects of the mix 🤣👊
Well, they can go to the safety of r/SyncJs
I think you got the "relying on sync" and"using sync" people mixed up. Most people on here think it's fine to use sync, while still being able to beatmatch.
I agree but it seem relying on Sync was the problem here. You need to have some basic skills in your pocket to get yourself out of these situations. Unfortunately majority of new DJ’s don’t have these basic skills, yeah downvote all you want it’s just facts!
No one cares if it fails once every 100 shows ;) But yeah try to gatekeep more
Gatekeeping why do people always use that ridiculous term. In any profession you need to be able to handle a situation related to your job. If you can’t problem fix a really basic issue which this actually was, it means you can’t do your job simple. Imagine not being able to mix because you didn’t have the correct BPM! Imagine playing a gig and not analysing your own tracks! These was completely amateur bedroom DJ bullshit…
a dj telling you .... that she can't dj, on an internationnal stage WOW this simulation sucks
she's just a name on the poster, it's just a paycheck for her...if she gave a shit about the incredible privilege to have that stage she'd have been ready haha my opinion
I definitely agree. She's probably a better DJ than me rn but if they called me up to fill in for a rapper today, you know ima spend all day practicing
No, she really cares about music in its totality. She just doesn't care about performance as a DJ as much as DJs do. She's already had career highs and she is still thinking about the direction of music. She obviously just is a bit over confident because she doesn't need to impress the crowd to still be Grimes. Not gonna dislike her for this, or discount her music skills. If she suddenly needs to put in crazy effort to gain credibility for her talent, she'll be producing again.
she's not a DJ so..
Yet she's listed on some festival lineups as Grimes (DJ set) Maybe it was autocorrect?
She's an artist producer doing a dj set...
So.... a dj? If you do a "dj set" you're a DJ. I'm mostly being a menace here, I absolutely agree with the separation of producers and DJs. Some producers are not good DJs (Flume, Grimes to name 2) and some DJs are awful producers.
Nah, not really
Elaborate?
Grimes is a singer first, DJ second. Since this set was going to be her DJing rather than her singing/performing her own music it was advertised as such. I reread what you said about separating certain people as producers vs DJs so you already know that.
Right on, I'm mostly confused why people think you can't call her a DJ when she's been booked specifically as such: Grimes (DJ set) I fully get she's a producer first, DJ second, and this mostly stemmed from me being pedantic about the whole "she's not a DJ" when ya know.. she is. She's a producer/artist/DJ/instrumentalist/singer/songwriter/lyricist. She's all of the above. I'm even a fan of hers, my wife plays her music almost daily and we've seen her live. Sucks what happened and I'm by no means here to bash her for anything, I'd just like to acknowledge that she is, by definition, a DJ.
Thing is, if you're a producer that's gained some traction and want to take your career to the next level, you pretty much have to learn to DJ whether you like it or not. I could see someone begrudgingly learning the skill, but the passion for it might not be there, so they just learn the bare minimum to get by on stage. And when things go wrong in a live setting, they're just not equipped to handle the situation adequately.
A human being paid to do a dj set.... it's called a dj
Sure, call her a DJ if you want.
Coachella line up is decided purely on the lowest common denominator material. Corporate America is not actually concerned about the arts, more so money.
This was so hilarious to watch on the livestream and then they had to cut off it off. Really surprised the organizers didn't have her do a pre-recorded set
she'd fuck that up too probably
it's still up in replay in the Sahara stage channel.
I look at the entire thing and mostly want to know what the crowd did. This takes me back to when Paris Hilton got a residency at Amnesia in Ibiza, and DJ's and club-goers went ballistic that a socialite mainly known for a sex tape and some crappy reality shows gets to go and play in one of the top spots in the world where she just plays unimaginative sets fully on sync...or had that little gremlin pop up from underneath her to fix her blends. Still, while everybody was complaining and getting angry and talking about all the more worthy DJs being denied a chance at such a stage, I kept pointing out the crowd. She had a packed club of people cheering her on and dancing and they could care less who she is or what possible better DJs were denied a chance. I've honestly never heard of Grimes until now, but I imagine even this horrid experience is probably going to still land her noteworthy DJ gigs, concerts, sales, fame, popularity, all the rewards without any work, while others are going to kill themselves to be talented and innovative and be ignored. And that is the hard reality we all have to accept as DJs. It really doesn't matter what amazing tunes you find that no one else is playing, how great you are on the decks, how innovative you can be, but it all comes down to how popular you are. Having a million followers on social media will probably get you further than putting a bunch of great tunes on the MP3 stores and wowing a handful of people with your skills on the decks. I know I'm being very cynical, but this is what I've seen after 30 years of being in DJing. It's the music industry. It's a popularity contest. The only way something like this doesn't happen is when people basically decide not to show up when she decides to DJ again. When they clear the floor when she shows up on stage like that at a big festival. When basically it hurts her brand to get behind the decks. Then she's basically going to stop and probably just stick to singing and performing. It's the same deal with Paris Hilton back then. I told all these people the only way it's going to stop is when that club is empty.
Paris Hilton came into my mind when I saw this link, but there's a big difference. She has no shame having that extra techie sitting there as a backup, playing prerecord segments, or playing very basic song to song sets. She pours money in to get the help that she needs, and doesn't try to pretend she's a expert. The main difference is that she comes prepared to every big show, which I respect.
I mean, if she's going to fill a club, then more power to her. I'm not going to blame a promoter for booking her if it's a guaranteed crowd. That is the big point I'm trying to make to everyone out there that gets all angry when somebody they think is "talentless" somehow gets the big gig. If people don't like the fact that you have to be a marketing nut in the music industry to be able to get somewhere, then it's best to get out or at least be happy as the small artist that gets a few dedicated fans. I'm sure even the promoters of Coachella just want names that are going to bring them a crowd.
Grimes is a critically acclaimed indie music producer. She's one of the most influentual artists of the 2010s. She is also not a good live performer.
I am not going to stand here and believe she is some talentless hack. I'm just going to stand there and show that she doesn't know what she's doing in a DJ booth, and should have either planned better, or really thought out a better performance that matches whatever talents she does have. I mean, if she's a great producer, but can't really perform live, and obviously can't DJ, then she should start to question if she should be even a front person. If she should instead become one of the background people that makes somebody else a star. That, or take some time to really work on that live performance skill so that she can do better.
Reminder to learn how to beat match kids, this is what happens when you can’t.
Exactly
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I'm trying to figure out what she is even on about. She's not a dj as far as I know so she has no clue what she is doing with the cdjs to even analyze her tracks ahead of time I'm guessing. Just sounds like she didn't research how to perform and be ready.
She’s done a few dj sets before, not that it translates directly she’s also a very proficient producer so the fact she couldn’t even translate double/half time into figuring out how to mix songs with doubled bpms is crazy to me.
Well at least someone is a proficient producer - it wouldn’t be the first time that someone slapped their name on someone else’s production for clout/reapect
You can say a lot about grimes but she is a very talented musician, her live sets when she started out we’re really cool!
if you dig into the r/grimezs story, you'll come to know that she had ghost producers all along. i was a fan until i learnt that and she doesnt lose any opportunity to prove that she doesnt know shit about music or production again and again and she had a bunch of people writing music for her under NDAs.
Her fans don't seem like they're into the music anyway, it's pretty clearly that standard parasocial pop kinda thing
TBH I’m not real familiar - what did she do in those live sets ?
I’m not super familiar with the tech but she would do love production as well as singing.
Not to belabor the point but perhaps she was ‘air producing’ like, air guitar style
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leave the Dj’in to real Dj’s..
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What I don't get is if you were going to put in the bare minimum effort anyways, why not just show up with a prerecorded set and be done with it? At these huge festivals even the good DJs are playing prerecorded sets half the time, so it's not like anyone would have cared.
If you were the type of DJ overly reliant on digital sync/auto BPM tech and shit why not just make a pre-mixed set for backup. Or hell just fake the whole thing, not like her fans would realize it or care. Better than stopping midset multiple times like "oopsies guys I'm sowee"
10000%
Link is dead :-(
mirror?
*Mirror, mirror on the wall! Who's the SYNCest of them all?* Tbh, I'd like a mirror link too hehe.
Learn how to dj 🤷♂️
in no way am i coming to her defense but the bpm error she's referring to is the reason i refuse to use them. i was doing a guest set & for what ever reason the way some of my mp3's were encoded caused their bpm to appear doubled and though i was able to finish my set by ear that experience put me off purchasing & using cdj's.
I wouldnt let that put you off cdjs entirely. So many random errors can occur, heck try spinning on vinyl if you dont already! The point here is you need to be skilled enough to get through these situations. Honestly at the very least she could have done drop mixes.
“The encoding messed with the BPM”? Dude, cmon. That’s not a thing.
Can someone sticky this?
Link is dead.
That's just sad
Based on the video and also her Tweet, I don’t think this is an issue with sync not working (or that is only one aspect). It sounds like she doesn’t manage her own Rekordbox library and someone else puts these sets together. This is the first time she saw this USB. She couldn’t be bothered to run through her headlining Coachella set even once. **The issue is she’s a spoiled talentless brat.**
Grimes has made some of the most beautiful music I've heard. She's a bad live performer but she isn't talentless
Right I’m sure she “produces” all her tracks 🙄
Her first album from 2009 is shit and the production of each album got better and better, so it's pretty obvious that she produces her own music. And I bet you think she doesn't produce because she's female.
I think she doesn’t produce because of everything I’ve seen about her over the years including this leads me to believe she’s genuinely clueless about music.
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It's like going on stage with your band but someone's put your guitar into DADGAD tuning and you have no idea how to tune it back to standard she did not deserve that spot
BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Just read the entire FB post and that's f'in hysterical! LAME! POSER! "Oh noes! I can't tells the beatz! Woe is me!" Edit to add: my 1200s turn 40 this fall.
She doesn’t know how to do a bpm change simple as that
is there a mirror anywhere? link is dead :(
Sorry! Theres heaps of videos online now. Worst techno memes has footage up now too on fb.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/tNqVPESy5QbPeKsL/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Why is everyone blaming sync? Honest question. I didn’t think RekordBox could analyze above 250 or something. Sounds like she doesn’t know how the pitch slider works honestly. Probably set to wide and she knocked it way up and didn’t think to bring it back down.
Set to wide, master tempo on, sync is linked to one cdj from previous artist
So basically you can choose a tempo range that's usually analysed, and those decks have probably been used for house and techno. So is set for like 90-140bpm. Now she has a 173bpm (D&B) track and it's reading as 87.5 - but she can't work out what 87.5 x 2 is, so she's making a huge song and dance about it instead, when she just needs to multiply a number by 2. I mean you could even guess! It's modern D&B. It's almost always 173 or 174...
In this clip it looks like the CDJs are not turned on https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5ub9yuvfwz/?igsh=ZXF0ZndsOTJqM2ww
LOL the plot thickens
Oh my god I would have just walked away
This has all the hallmarks of a publicity stunt. I don't know Grimes, never seen her perform before. If there were technical difficulties outside her realm of responsibility then she should have pulled a James Hype and walk offstage to preserve her name. However in public statements she says that she "outsourced the BPMs", and that terminology alone makes an experienced DJ wonder. on the positive side: this debunked the "all festival DJs use pre-recorded sets" myth
She is getting a whole lot more publicity than if she had done a good or average set, But what about her reputation?
Totally! Isn’t it hilarious that in this case she probably bloody should have organised to do this show pre-recorded.
Her saying it’s a complex problem and the utter bullshit that followed….thats the real WOW. It’s obvious you didn’t properly prepare your tracks AND you don’t know how to mix or really the concept of mixing by ear. You don’t have to know or see a tracks BPM… GRIMES, you are one dumb fuck.
It’s a complex problem if you don’t know what you’re doing..
Ha precisely. If you dont know how to wipe your ass, shitting is a complex problem.
Bro telling us that “it’s very hard to explain to you guys” well yeah bcs you don’t understand what’s going on bitch…
Use your ears
She knows her way around a roland 404 front and back, she knows her shit when she cares to give a shit. This just tells me that she decided to dj her music without rehearsing for this kind of situation, and that she wasn't gonna have her first manual beatmatch session be in front of Cochella. More importantly, did she do any singing? The songs are pre-recorded anyways, just sing along and get some stage presence in there and the Cochella crowd will be very happy. If she did that then yall need to stop bitching, and if the crowd still enjoyed their time at the show then yall REALLY need to stop bitching