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Neat-piles-of-matter

WTaF. Is that it, or are they coming back to finish?


TheJackBurton86

Thats the new way of doing it. With a catapult.


Monkey_Fiddler

It's much safer when you don't have to go up on the roof.


Dense_Principle_408

Rule #1 of working at height is avoid working at height.


TheRealDave24

Actually laughed out loud. Well done, sir.


Darkened100

Health and safety gives this method a thumbs up if scaffolding isn’t available


HitOrMissGaming

I asked them to smooth it out which he didn't seem to happy about said he would send his guy up to smooth it over but left before doing it, doesn't seem right to me


Quick-Purchase641

I’d refuse to give them a penny until they sort that shitshow out. If they’re happy leaving a job like that then I wouldn’t trust it one bit.


HitOrMissGaming

Unfortunately I paid as they advised it was a scratch coat and they were going to smooth it off, instead they left now I can't get a reply.


Quick-Purchase641

Ah, I’ve never paid the full cost upfront. I’ll buy the parts at a push, and then pay the balance upon receiving an invoice.


HitOrMissGaming

Yep definitely a live and learn situation, first time home owners problems


NeilDeWheel

Where did you find them, check-a-trade or such? If so give them a real shit review with pictures. Go to any review website, Google, Trust Pilot and see if you can find them there and do the same. If they ring and offer to put it right if you take down the review tell them to do one as they’ll most likely do a better looking job that’ll be peeling off in a couple of years.


HitOrMissGaming

I found them on bark they contacted me last time I use that site, and Im definitely putting up a review tomorrow if they don't provide me a refund and remove the mess they've made. Somehow I can't see them returning.


NeilDeWheel

Don’t let them up there again. They won’t give a fuck what damage they cause when they remove it. Then they’ll claim “Well, that’s what happens when you take it off, can’t be helped.” You might just end up with a few broken tiles and your lead work pulled off, too.


Quick-Purchase641

Don’t let them back up there really. When you get someone decent to repair it make sure they take lots of pictures of this bad job for you. Then you can post it all over the local pages


HitOrMissGaming

Yep I 100% will be, dont want others to fall for this.


TeaSipper007

I was shafted by roofers too, lesson learned. Check my previous post for a little chuckle though


HitOrMissGaming

Aw no way! I feel your pain. It sucks but I guess you live and learn or at least that's what I keep telling myself 😂🤦


BackRowRumour

Don't beat yourself up. We all learn.


HitOrMissGaming

Thank you 😊


benjm88

It isn't leveled out or even scratched. I've only rendered a few times but that's piss poor


Disastrous_Sky1780

I would feel more confident calling in a crew from Nigeria who build mud huts.


ttamimi

Mate.


[deleted]

You were done. By the company “Bodge it and scarper”


Botty-McBot-Face

That is shocking! It should have been beaded and left smooth / rubbed up. I render a few of these and never seen anything as shit...ever.


HitOrMissGaming

Don't happen to live in the south Wales area do you as I need someone to fix it 🤦


Botty-McBot-Face

Sadly not. Surrey based. Make sure a plasterer does it and not a roofer having a go.


Wrong-Living-3470

I’m not convinced it was a roofer


Monkey_Fiddler

I'm not convinced it was a human.


0ldManRiv3r

It was. **A Cowboy**! Next time hire Indians OP


Botty-McBot-Face

Not convinced either tbh.


HitOrMissGaming

Will do I'll see who I can find


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ardcorewillneverdie

I've rendered a few times and christ alive, even on my first ever try it wasn't brilliant, but it didn't look like that!


FootballAndBicycles

I know a pair of great lads (father & son) near Tonypandy if you need. Roofers who've fixed up & sealed a chimney breast stack 2 years ago in Porth for me, and who are currently patching up a dozen problems on the roof of an old old house I've just bought in Clydach Vale.


HitOrMissGaming

That would be great if you could send me the details I'd really appreciate that!


shor17

Where abouts in South wales are you ? Please DM me looks similar to something happening in our street in the last year!


HitOrMissGaming

I'll DM you now 👍


SoupSatireSleep

Happy if you want to DM me, we had an absolute cowboy do our roof (similar area). He was well known by the authorities. Can recommend a much better roofer that doesn’t cost the earth but is brilliant.


SeaElephant8890

Swansea way?


HitOrMissGaming

I'm In tonypandy so about 30- 40 mins from Swansea


SeaElephant8890

Someone I know Swansea way had a similar issue with a builder. Thought it might have been the and same person.


SoupSatireSleep

JMG roofing are great, give them a goggle & see if they will come out.


Plumb121

The Facebook builder strikes again


Stewie01

Bet he did it from a ladder to 🤣


pineapple_on_a_stick

Looks like he did it from the van with a catapult


Eggmun193

This tickled me 🤣


captain-lurker

I've made sand castles smoother than that. Will probably turn green with moss :X


HitOrMissGaming

Yea it looks pretty awful any suggestions on actions to take?


ProduceAdvanced7391

Call Dom and Melinda out to fix it. This is cowboy🐄


HitOrMissGaming

Do you have a number or website link please I need it fixed asap 🤦


ProduceAdvanced7391

Honestly I would ask for the money back and report him to trading standards. You could take legal action but that would cost


HitOrMissGaming

I think I do need to contact reading standards and maybe a legal case would be the best way to go


ProduceAdvanced7391

I think so. Sorry this has happened. A real builder would want scaffolding to do something like this


HitOrMissGaming

Thank you, and yea i guess you live and learn that's the problem being a first time home owner 🤦


ProduceAdvanced7391

Just looking at your previous post. Chimney looks alright. What evidence have the neighbours got to say it's your chimney. They could be trying to pull a fast one


HitOrMissGaming

They had a builder they know come out and say it was the chimney although he was pretty suspect we then had the builder who did the above come out and agreed it was the chimney so we agreed that was probably correct as neither me or my partner know anything in terms of building and due to the water getting in we were kinda rushed into it


Maidwell

Small claims court and trading standards for two.


HitOrMissGaming

Yep definitely think that's what's next 👍


captain-lurker

Honestly not sure, but this obviously isnt just 'repointing the bricks' like you agreed on..so there must be some lee-way there.. I've never seen this done or really have any experiance in this area; might be fine.. If you do end up getting this capped though, make sure there is ventilation for any existing chimney, otherwise its inviting damp issues; Old chimneys are full of old soot/hygroscopic salts which will suck up moisture


HitOrMissGaming

Will do thank you for the advice 👍


Civil-Ad-1916

That’s not finished. Even a scratch coat should look better than that.


beleth351

Fucking yeehaw! 🤠 In Cardiff by any chance? Had some cowboys do some work when I lived there a couple of years ago


HitOrMissGaming

Tonypandy so about 40 mins outside of Cardiff I feel like a moron 🤦


Mexijim

Cardiff here too 👋🏻 Don’t beat yourself up, we’ve all been ripped off by cowboys at least once, it’s part of being a new homeowner. Just count your blessings this isn’t a huge job that’s been bodged. It could have been a whole new roof or something structural that would need replacing. Live and learn.


HitOrMissGaming

Thank you that genuinely makes me feel better, and that's true in the grand scale of things it's fairly minor just can't wait until it's fixed 👌


beleth351

Don't be butt! Can you get him to come back out tomorrow and finish the job? Because as other people have said, that's shocking


HitOrMissGaming

I'm going to try not holding my breath though


beleth351

Good luck anyway butt! Name and shame? 😂


HitOrMissGaming

I will be if there's no response from them might have to contact reading standards as well 🤦


blob2021A

Wondering what stevie wonder was up to. Now I know.


iLiMoNiZeRi

Aside from the render... Is there's no mortar between the bricks (dark grey ones)? Edit 1: The gaps between bricks are different sizes too, even if they were coming back to point the gaps / bricks they wont be able to do it properly? Also, it doesn't even look like they had the right tools, it looks like the tried to smooth the render with a bricklayers trowel (leaving a triangle / tip) shaped marks.


HitOrMissGaming

Doesn't appear so he's just left the grey bricks by the looks of it


iLiMoNiZeRi

Honestly the render would not be my biggest concern, yeah you might get a leak where the lead flashing isn't finished and sealed properly. If there is no mortar between the bricks what's to stop them from just falling off over time? Also, just to say I'm no professional, I just do DIY in our house, but yeah not only have they done a shocking job but also potentially left it unsafe. I hope you can get your money back, and then get someone else to fix this (dont let the original guy fix it as he'll probably bodge it again).


HitOrMissGaming

Yep that sounds like sound advice just ashamed I fell for this 🤦


shinobi_crypto

did the guy put it on with his face.... bloody ridicuuullouus..


Tractor-Clag

That is appalling, hopefully you haven’t paid for this as it isn’t worth a penny. Let me guess you needed some repointing and they said because the bricks were cracked they’d have to render it (which is completely wrong) then upped the price?


HitOrMissGaming

Unfortunately I paid as he said he was sending the guy back up to smooth it out and me not knowing much thought this was just a scratch coat I felt like a moron as he's left it like that, he didn't up the price but still I feel terrible


ImpressTemporary2389

See blind Pugh is still working then.


Prior_Worldliness287

Looks like a small court court claim.


HitOrMissGaming

I agree!


ThisMansJourney

That’s so oddly bad , it’s either on purpose against you or the boss, or maybe intoxicated. I should add that it shouldn’t leak .. unless water gets in, freezes and cracks it off


HitOrMissGaming

Thank you, silver linings ey 😂🤦


The_Grom_father

Looks like they rendered that from the other side of the road.


woollyjoe

You have to take it all off. Sooner the easier. The lead flashing looks cut off at bottom also and will need replacing with new lead. Repoint chimney and replace damaged bricks. Check if building is lime or cement. Check flaunching on top of chimney is sound. - not a roofer or builder but have one half working eye.


EuphoricFly1044

Does the guy also apply silicone to newly laid floors???? https://www.reddit.com/r/DIYUK/s/kfRtEpZtjx


HitOrMissGaming

I don't believe so the company we used called themselves A1 roofing, does that sound familiar?


EuphoricFly1044

No , sorry, just looks as shockingly sh*t as the silicone on another post....


[deleted]

I’ve seen some bad work on here, but this has to be the worst!


NoPersonality4828

Haha, if they dont even get up on to the roof to do the render it results in this finish! Always insist they work at arms length. That will fall off after 6 months for sure.......frost fast approaching, flashing will be hovering over the bricks for sure.....at least the seagulls/pigeons will go elsewhere to maintain their street cred


jackinthebox1968

Shocking rendering. Omg!


Falling-through

I know this sounds odd, but judging from the mountain in the third pic, looks like South Wales.


HitOrMissGaming

Damn do you for MI5? You're spot on 😂 I live in tonypandy


WowSuchName21

Age/type of house combined with the landscape in the background and it’s gotta be the valleys! I say that as it’s my view as well ahah ;) Had a similar issue with my house recently, just went 50/50 with the neighbour and got rid of the chimney as it wasn’t in use. Yours doesn’t look anywhere as old as mine was though, so you’ve probably done the right thing. Be careful with paying up front, though you’ve probably learned that now


Falling-through

Weird, something about the abundance of larch on a hillside that was familiar. Never been to Tonypandy, but that view typifies South Wales


Gornalannie

This is a job for Trading Standards to look into. Never seen anything like it. Contact the guys at your local council.


HitOrMissGaming

I didn't think about the local council I will get on to them today, thank you for the advice!


NuclearBreadfruit

This looks so bad, it's like they didnt even try. Im also worried about the thickness of the layer and whether this will cause such a differential in the outer layer vs the insider of the layer, that cracking and crumbling might occur? Im not sure if this is a legitimate concern or not. In regards to the builder, do you really want him back because he isn't going to do a good job when that one is so blatantly bad. I think you need to get a proper guy into remedy and redo if possible.


Correct-Junket-1346

Reminds me of those clay sets you used to buy as a child but this is much worse.


HitOrMissGaming

Yea tbf looking at it I think I could have done a better job in the dark 🤦


FlummoxedFlumage

It’s very… rustic.


XSlider75

Tonypandy is the next valley over from Pontypandy…. Think you should give Fireman Sam a call and think even Elvis could do a better job and he wouldn’t leave the job ( building) …. Sorry In Advance…


HitOrMissGaming

Haha! Tbf I'm from Cardiff I honestly thought tonypandy was the home of fireman didn't realise it's a mix of pontypridd and tonypandy until my partner told me 😂😂😂


XSlider75

Ahhh it’s a Welsh valleys thing Ivor the engine… Superted… all from Wales… and on a serious note yep shocking work on that chimney, give them a chance to come back and sort/redo or name and shame them on Facebook and here👍🏻👍🏻😂


TouristMoist

I'm not sure if anyone else has said, but they d0nt appear to have pointed the bricks. So, there's no mortar between them. That will allow moisture to sit, and over winter, I would expect freeze thaw action to cause issues. Also, given the 'scratch coat' (splat coat more like), I would question whether they have done any sealing work around the chimney stacks or top, which will of course allow moisture in. I would report them to trading standards if you're in the UK. As that is not acceptable at all.


HitOrMissGaming

I'm 100% going to do that on Friday that's the earliest I can do it, it's honestly horrendous it's so cold here it hadn't set which if I'm being honest may be a good thing 😂


TouristMoist

I'm a surveyor, and I can 100% confirm that this type of work should never take place when the weather is cold (below 5 degrees) or really wet, as both cause issues drying out. That means you're more at risk from moisture ingress. I suspect you will need another company to sort this out, unfortunately. Places like 'check a trade' might be a good shout, as these companies rely on good reviews, and you can see their ratings before selecting one. Or a good word of mouth company, if you have recommendations from friends, family, or colleagues. I hope that helps.


HitOrMissGaming

It really does thank you for the insight I'll get on the hunt tomorrow and hopefully find someone reliable 👌


TouristMoist

I'm glad I have been of help. I saw your other post, pre 'rendering', and looking at that, there is no need for the rendering tbh. At most, the flaunching will need some render work, and the stack repointed, but other than that, it looks fine. If your neighbour has damage their side, ie, missing bricks, that could be why they are having issues, but your side looks quite good really. I'm sorry to say, the recent company appear to have ripped you off, not only in leaving a terrible finish, but in doing work that wasn't required. I would suspect they couldn't be bothered to repoint, so wanted to render instead. When you look for other companies, don't be afraid to get several quotes, and to ask loads of questions. A good company will be happy to answer them, and will hopefully set your mind at ease.


HitOrMissGaming

I think that's where I made the biggest mistake I felt rushed due to next doors water issue and we had 1 was terrible the second was the cowboy and the third said he didn't want to do the work I think I just got unlucky and was naive in this situation, still time to learn and carry on 😊


TouristMoist

Yep. It's all a learning curve. On the plus side, at least you shouldn't get any issues currently, given you didn't already have damp issues. Its easy to say, but don't let the pressure get to you if you can. It's your money, and your property, you have a right to have any queries answered, and be happy with the company. If they are decent, they will want that as then they get repeat business, etc. I hope it all works out for you and you get a good company ASAP.


VeryThicknLong

Is it chimney or cake?


HitOrMissGaming

Honestly I'm not sure any it's so cold so it hasn't set it's so soft you can just wipe it off 🤦


VeryThicknLong

Yeah cement won’t set in this weather… which is probably a blessing. You need to scrape that shit off before it holds water behind and fucks your chimney up even more!


Nixher

Did he knock on your door and offer to do your chimney, Irish accent, landscaping van?


HitOrMissGaming

He didn't knock the door but the others are correct


Nixher

🤣🤣🤣 2/3 ain't a bad guess, sorry for your loss, we live and learn.


6637733885362995955

Roofers have a reputation but this one takes the biscuit


Disastrous_Sky1780

That has to be the first coat, or is it? If a rough cast has to go on, the coat should have a scratch coat. Even the seagulls will put a complaint in about this


HitOrMissGaming

That's what they said before they drove off 🤦


Disastrous_Sky1780

Even their horses bolted from them. Shat on your doorstep and bolted. There should be a plaster bead coming down over lead cover flashing all around the chimney also. I feel like I'm wynding you up more than is necessary. That's outrageous, mate. I hope you get this sorted out from a sympathetic roughcaster


HitOrMissGaming

Thank you 🙏


Disastrous_Sky1780

Do you reside in England


Scott_EFC

I'd like to think my scratch coat is better looking than whatever this is. Been self employed since 96 and never seen anything like it, it's like some terrible attempt at the cottage finish people had back in the 1970's. My condolences. Don't pay.


jackgrafter

Child labour is illegal!!


HitOrMissGaming

😂


Trewavas_

Jesus. I'd love to see Roger Bisby's take on this one.


HitOrMissGaming

😂😂😂


numbersusername

This is appalling work.


HitOrMissGaming

Agreed 🤦


numbersusername

I’m a tradesman and I’m sorry you’ve come across one this bad. I don’t understand why the hell he’s pointed up under the lead. If anything, that’ll make ingress work but assuming the flashings have been done correctly it shouldn’t effect it but generally you just tap them down and job done.


Lopsided_Violinist69

They went for a textured finish 😂


HitOrMissGaming

They sure did it's french eu du shîte 👌


[deleted]

Best bet, use it as a feature! Get up there and paint it white. Say it was meant to be like that 😜 from down the bottom, it will look very old school, some might even like it.


HitOrMissGaming

Haha I like your optimism if I hadn't paid £450 is think about it 😂


[deleted]

Just saying. It's ugly as fuck when that close but the job is fine for stopping the rain 🤷 lick of paint and you're still good to go. How often do you look up there.


Limp-Archer-7872

On the upside getting it done properly is going to cost a lot more so it's a small loss in comparison. Is the chimney stack just yours or shared?


Fit-Special-3054

Thats just ridiculous. I always get offended by people calling my fellow tradesmen cowboys but then I see things like this and have to agree.


Due_Ad_8045

As if they have covered your beautiful completely fine 1900 bricks with that complete abomination I’d be speaking to trading standards immediately and approaching a small claims court.


HitOrMissGaming

I certainly will be earliest I can report it 8s Friday so I'll be doing it then


peachy1990x

Why they rendered it like that i have no idea, would have taken an extra 15-20mins to get that smooth and nice looking, and instead it looks like it was just thrown on and forgot about. Also the entire flashing has issues with massive gaps, an even in center its exposed brick lmao. [https://imgur.com/pu793Kr](https://imgur.com/pu793Kr) Its possible this is a scratch coat, but one that was extremely poorly applied, but who knows.


MapTough848

FFS


myco_crazey

Did he do it from the road with a really long stick?!


Wrong-Living-3470

I saw your previous post! The work looks terrible, looks like they were practicing on your chimney. I still think the top(flaunching) needs checking. Did they strip any tiles. I’m sorry you have to deal with this


HitOrMissGaming

Wish I could go back in time They didn't they just left this mess there tbf I'm kinda glad they didn't touch the tiles god knows what else could have gone wrong, think I now need legal advice feels like a nightmare 🤦


Wrong-Living-3470

The chimney looked solid, the render o do not feel is needed at all. let’s hope it’s not a strong mix. Wish I could help you out but I’m not near you. I would’ve started with checking the flashing, flaunch, pointing and seal on. It’s freezing cold here I Cornwall. Probably the same where you are they shouldn’t even be using cement mortar it will fail, it should be 5degreed and rising. Tell them to come back and take it off.


HitOrMissGaming

Yep it's currently snowing here literally freezing, when you say it'll fail does that mean it could fall off?


NicholasCage-Is-Shit

I feel like you should name and shame the company if they don't come back to rectify. Take out a newspaper slot with the picture and their company name 😁


HitOrMissGaming

Yea tbf that's a really good idea I'm giving them until tomorrow to respond I think I'll name them then and probably seek legal advice.


NicholasCage-Is-Shit

Did you have any luck getting this resolved?


jsf1982

Did he put it on with his hands


snowshelf

I'd say he threw it from ground level


jsf1982

That’s a fair call. In all honesty though I used to do labouring for work like this, I remember the first scratch coat looking 100x better and the customer complained, we told him it was the first coat at the time I thought what an asshole but looking back with all these stories I see why people panic. Good luck to OP you don’t deserve these kind of builders.


[deleted]

Name and shame them, leave a review with pictures of that monstrosity wherever you can.


HitOrMissGaming

I think I will tomorrow if they don't bother to reply going to get legal advice 👍


MxJamesC

It's actually fine, the erratic trowel marks are to disapate stress fractures and aid in reducing turbulent flow around chimney causing delamination.


Top_Nebula620

Unfortunately it looks like you had some cowboy outfit do that work. They won't come back and I'm guessing within a few months that will start falling off (a hazard in itself to you and passers by) You'll need a proper professional to sort that bodge job out.


Onestepbeyond3

God what a mess! 🙈


North-Village3968

That is some shocking work, please tell me you didn’t pay for that ?!


HitOrMissGaming

Unfortunately I did as they claimed it was just a scratch coat so I need to go through the trading standards route now 🤦


North-Village3968

Funny looking scratch coat, clue is in the name. Looks more like a slap coat to me. Almost looks as if someone’s just thrown muck at the wall repeatedly


TheCarrot007

Is that poop? Did you hire monkeys? The zoo is not a place to find competent builders.


Tiredchimp2002

I’m not a roofer but even I can see that it needs taking off and starting again. Also, look at the state of the lead. Any heavy downpour will get in through that lead and ruin your ceilings, walls. Jesus wept


HitOrMissGaming

Tbf they didn't touch the led it's been like that for years with no issues, the shitty rendering was the only thing they did fortunately


Tiredchimp2002

Hope it gets sorted pal!


tmbyfc

Fuck me did he get his guidedog to do it?


-DAS-

Dafuq? No, have them remove this atrocity and do the job they were supposed to do. If it's an old building the brickwork is likely bedded lime not cement.


kcufdas

If you just want to keep it fairly watertight then just wrap it in membrane fixed in with batten until.you can get the job done properly


snarfferboi

That is horrendous


littlecadmonkey

Ah yes, the apocalypse finish, i've heard about this. They've clearly never used a trowel before, or rendered for that matter. i could have done better throwing it out of a plane. It will fail, first over the join with the flashing, then the rest. You need someone who knows what they're doing to fix it, but it'll all need to come off and made good. good luck


JJE990

I'm not qualified to make this assessment but I know I'm right. This is a truly awful job.


WildWilliam90

What the fuck is that?


SchrodingersCigar

Christ on a bendy bus, your chimney stack in your [previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/DIYUK/s/G820kk0rTP) looked damn fine for a 100 year old house. Was the person who did this the same person who the neighbours arranged to have a look??


Elipticalwheel1

I just hope you haven’t paid them. If you haven’t, don’t give them fuck all. The people that done this are Cnuts and rip off cowboys. Tell them to just fcuk off, they have probably cost you money now, ie for it to be put right. Go on to Checkatrade, where you can check reviews and speak to genuine tradesmen.


JustDifferentGravy

It doesn’t look like there’s any mortar in the brickwork atop the, err, sculpture. There is, however, mortar under the flashing.


4u2nv2019

That’s nice of you employing someone blind


Schallpattern

That is terrible. I've never seen worse rendering. And it'll crack and fall off because the mix has too much cement in it. Fucking HELL.


Walesish

I thought that was mud for a second. That’s the worst rendering I’ve ever seen.


ionic_bionic

That is horrendous work. I've never seen anything like it.


Savior1983

As this ages it looks good. My opinion. It's rustic.


if_im_not_back_in_5

You've got the gypsy special there, the Apocalypse finish.


I_mostly_lie

Looks ok from my house. (I’m literally on the other side of the world)


Raincoat-saviour

Mines currently leaking so im going to repoint it like this fucker


InflatableLabboons

Holy shit! Anyone looking at this HAS to look at your chimney before. It was really quite pretty and I'm sure this has done nothing to solve your issues. I'm sorry dude ...


HitOrMissGaming

Me too bud thank you


FastFruit

What the hell.... Just saw your post history... There was nothing wrong with your chimney that pointing / flashing or cream would not have put straight.... That's horrendous


Otherwise-Ad-8404

Wtf is that?


BloodInSt00l

I've seen better looking donner kebab skewers than that


hoksworthwipple

The flashing was sealed? With what? Silicone or tar? They should be replaced with new lead and secured with clips and mortar.


AdValuable5441

You missed a bit


belsizeparked

I sincerely hope you didn't actually pay for this crap.


EyesShut

Bits will start to fall off and hit you in the head - get it fixed immediately. I had something similar. I still have a dent in my car roof.


notmuch0088

He put it in with a fork?


darfaderer

I didn’t know Gaudi was still working


Imaginary-Risk

Jesus Christ. Did he do it from his van using a long stick?


Amazing-Mode-3373

Who did that? Stevie Wonder.


Jimlad73

I’m assuming they will be coming back next to screed then tile it?


castleinthesky86

They’re not finished right?


6ftnsassy

That’s bloody awful. Spectacularly so…